Firstnebo:


Do you mean that all knowing = all causing?

That God has the ability to know everything, does it mean that he must cause everything?

Does the fact that God has the ability to know everything mean that he uses that ability everything single minute?

If a person knows how to sing very well, do you expect him to sing every minute of his life? Would he not be considered mad? So that God has the ability to know everything, are you saying he doesn't have the ability to restrict how he uses and applies it?

Bacteriologist:


So let's assume there was a first cause.

So what? Does that mean Yahweh did it? As far as I'm concerned it could have been
1. Olodumare
2. Allah
3. Odin
4. Thor
5. Spiderman
6. The flying spaghetti monster
7. Sango
8. Santa Clause
9. Buddha
10. Shiva
11. Vishnu
12. Zeus
13. Kratos
14. Ogun
15. Amadioha
16. Satan
I could go on to 4000 really...

You would still have to show how there being a first cause automatically means your god is real or that he did it?

Good luck with demonstrating that.

kingxsamz:


Did God know we would abuse the free will given to us and sin against him?
If he knew, why didn't he prevent the outcome?

Another question. Does God know the exact people and amount of people that would end up in hell and heaven?

Firstnebo:


Do you mean that all knowing = all causing?

That God has the ability to know everything, does it mean that he must cause everything?

Firstnebo:

Does the fact that God has the ability to know everything mean that he uses that ability everything single minute?

Firstnebo:

If a person knows how to sing very well, do you expect him to sing every minute of his life? Would he not be considered mad? So that God has the ability to know everything, are you saying he doesn't has the ability to restrict how he uses and applies it?

kingxsamz:




Mad o...
See excuse...

Firstnebo:


Thank you very much my dear. That there is a first cause doesn't mean that my God Yahweh is the first cause. It could have been any of these gods you listed.

But yet my Yahweh produce a sacred book which shows that he is this First Cause. A kind of book that these other gods cannot provide.

And some of them that has tried, are either copying my Yahweh, or documenting outdated superstitious beliefs of their ancient adherents.

Firstnebo:


Please clarify me what you mean by "hell"

Bacteriologist:


Aren't you the same person arguing for god being the first cause?

If god is the FIRST cause, does it not follow that everything else came from him?

Logically, if god is indeed the first cause, everything came from him.

If there are certain things outside his control then he's not the first cause. As there's some other thing dictating what happens. You're the one limiting your God's properties and power. Not my problem.



If god chooses to not know everything for even a split second. Then god is not ALL-knowing. How difficult is that? Let me try again.

If god chooses to not appear somewhere at any point in time. Then god is not OMNI-present.

The concept of "OMNI" means "ALL" the time.


It seems you lot just throw words around without understanding the actual meaning of them. Hmmm sounds familiar... Let me guess...indoctrination?



That's another flawed analogy. That clearly shows you have a limited understanding of omniscience.

Someone knowing how to sing does not translate to omniscience.

Omniscience would be, for example, knowing what would happen EVERY time you sang. And/Or knowing the exact times you would sing and what the environment would be like, the number of people present, each time you were singing..

Is this your best?

2/10. Try harder.

kingxsamz:


The fictional place where all sinners are punished.

You keep dodging my questions and mentions, yet you claim you're ready to engage...

Firstnebo:

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Firstnebo:


The Bible did not teach that there is a hell fire where God punishes people for eternity. Just as you called it, it's a fictional place created in the minds of false religious teachers.

Hell fire is not the teaching of the Bible

Firstnebo:



(4) Omniscient means that God can do anything he wants to do. The keys words is at "he wants to do". God cannot be doing everything just because he can do it. That would mean he has no control over his abilities

Firstnebo:


God cannot be doing everything just because he can do it. That would mean he has no control over his abilities

kingxsamz:



I'll save this post for later...
Most Christians will disagree with you though, shows how confused ya'll are...
Besides, what's the Point of trying to get people to repent since there's no punishment or repercussions for one's sin?

Firstnebo:


Before I answer, I will like to know, are you asking this question because you believe in hellfire, or are you asking because what I am saying is a new thing to you!

kingxsamz:


No wonder children have been dying from cancer and other various diseases, because God choose to turn a blind eye.... Doesn't sound to me like an all loving God, don't you think?

kingxsamz:


What does it matter?
You came here looking for questions, and now questions have been dished out, and you're asking irrelevant questions...
I'm here to question your belief, that's all...

kingxsamz:


Smh...
You really know how to dodge questions...
I ask again.
Would you have believed their god to be the true god if you were born into their belief, tradition, culture and background?
Do you think you'll be here preaching about the Christian God?

It's a simple question nw...

Firstnebo:


Thank you very much my dear. That there is a first cause doesn't mean that my God Yahweh is the first cause. It could have been any of these gods you listed.

But yet my Yahweh produce a sacred book which shows that he is this First Cause. A kind of book that these other gods cannot provide.

And some of them that has tried, are either copying my Yahweh, or documenting outdated superstitious beliefs of their ancient adherents.

Firstnebo:
There is a person that has the authority and the power to be identified as God because he alone ever existed. He is the source of life. He created all things. He inspired the holy book known as the Bible (for the purpose of bringing man to his original purpose of creating the earth).

God is the most powerful, the wisest, with the most love, and the most just of all other persons or things that live or have ever lived, whether in heaven, or on earth.

Atheism in its basic form is the belief that there is no God. Their major attack is on Christianity and especially on the Bible. They promote the theory of evolution.

So here is the challenge, I want Nairaland atheists to come and prove my Belief in the God I described above and his word the Bible as false.


In logical order. One point at a time before we move to another. With evidence and logic. No insults.

RealMrNigerD:

O common! you know them. The laws of science all point to the existence of god. The first law of conservation of matter is interpreted to mean God was the uncreated first cause.
Then again is the equilibrium that exists in the universe, shows that a god guided by justice has to be behind sustaining the universe, else there should be no equilibrium. It takes a lot of intellectual investment to bring balance when you have so many forces at work. Every engineer knows that.
Then you have the order that exists in the universe. We don't come into a very well arranged house and think it just happened. All scientific laws point to order rather than chaos which is expected when things just happen. There must be an intelligence to create and maintain order. When you see a robot, you don't have to wait to meet the manufacturers before you believe they exist, do you? We have never seen an accidental robot, not to talk of a well organized universe as gigantic as ours...
Should I go on?
Now don't forget my challenge to prove evolution while you're on this.

Firstnebo:


Do you mean that all knowing = all causing?

That God has the ability to know everything, does it mean that he must cause everything?

Does the fact that God has the ability to know everything mean that he uses that ability everything single minute?

If a person knows how to sing very well, do you expect him to sing every minute of his life? Would he not be considered mad? So that God has the ability to know everything, are you saying he doesn't have the ability to restrict how he uses and applies it?

frank317:


Let me pretend these are pointers... How did u know it was done by a God and not a family I'd gods or aliens or red headed dragons or by a mystical elephant?

kingxsamz:


In summary, there can not be a product without a creator, right?
Okay.
Now let's just assume that this God exists.
Who created this God?

fieryy:
This has to be by far one of the most stupid threads I've ever stumbled up upon here.

MJBOLT:

the op thinks omniscience is the ability for god to do what he wants and he wants to engage atheists in debate na wa o

Firstnebo:

Let us take it one by one. (1) That Adam and Eve sinned and we their children are now suffering is not out of God's control. For what is worth, God is not suffering, but we the children of the disobedient two. God has set up a way through Jesus Christ to end our suffering permanently. It's called God's government ."Our father in heaven, let your kingdom (government) come"

Firstnebo:

(2) The Bible tells us that God has the ability to know everything, not that he actually chooses to know everything. For example, when the report reached him in heaven that Sodom and Gomorrah have sinned to the maximum degree, he said "let me go down to verify these reports". Which means he chooses not to exercise that power prior to that.

Firstnebo:

(3) You talked about omnipresent. The Bible does not say that God is omnipresent. Which means everywhere at the same time. No, the Bible said that God is in heaven. Jesus said "you must pray then this way, our father in heaven". God cannot be everywhere, which would mean he is also at the thousands of brothels around the world where people are committing different kinds of sins.

Firstnebo:

(4) Omniscient means that God can do anything he wants to do. The keys words is at "he wants to do". God cannot be doing everything just because he can do it. That would mean he has no control over his abilities

Bacteriologist:


If you're going to "challenge" Atheists you're going to need something more intelligent than the Bible. Try a dictionary.

Firstnebo:


Thank you very much my dear. That there is a first cause doesn't mean that my God Yahweh is the first cause. It could have been any of these gods you listed.

But yet my Yahweh produce a sacred book which shows that he is this First Cause. A kind of book that these other gods cannot provide.

And some of them that has tried, are either copying my Yahweh, or documenting outdated superstitious beliefs of their ancient adherents.

Bacteriologist:


Ok so according to YOUR own interpretation of the Bible. God is not omnipresent. I would agree with that. As god seems to not not be anywhere at all. It is even more reasonable to say he doesn't exist at all.