Stephenmoka4:
Using a country against a continent is not worth comparing or an unwise pick as continent carry way too much load.

I'm not using a simple country against a continent either. I'm picking up India, a country whose population exceeds that of Africa, is instead low at natural resources and landmass.

They are very similar in terms of population and their states of developments when they started in 50s and 60s.

Africa came here because Africans just like Europeans tend to have their African identity unlike Asians who have dumped pan Asianism long ago against nationalism.

Nevertheless, you can compare anything with anything.

Stephenmoka4:
There are always places in Asia that will beat Canada e.g Singapore but, Canada can beat Asia with its HDI of course, there are many low HDI countries that will bring Asia's average HDI value down.

For sure Canada is many times better place than average "Asia" to live in except few Asian places.
How many times you want to listen it? I didn't deny.

Whatever natural advantage Canada has is another topic but yes, it is better.
Whether Asians are catching up is also another topic (which is who "is" good vs who is "doing" good).

Goel:

I'm not using a simple country against a continent either. I'm picking up India, a country whose population exceeds that of Africa, is instead low at natural resources and landmass.

They are very similar in terms of population and their states of developments when they started in 50s and 60s.

Africa came here because Africans just like Europeans tend to have their African identity unlike Asians who have dumped pan Asianism long ago against nationalism.

Nevertheless, you can compare anything with anything.

For sure Canada is many times better place than average "Asia" to live in except few Asian places.
How many times you want to listen it? I didn't deny.

Whatever natural advantage Canada has is another topic but yes, it is better.
Whether Asians are catching up is also another topic (which is who "is" good vs who is "doing" good).

Like I mentioned before, India to Africa is a nay to me, yes India can have a population over Africa. I can think of China against North America (N.A is still a favorite to me) or Nigeria to Australia (Australia is still a favorite)

Whatever the case may be, it's everyone's choice.

Goel:

Last time I checked, India's poorest and most underdeveloped state Bihar has HDI above African continent.

India isn't a very "good" country to live in honestly (except democratic freedoms and stabilit). But it's definitely a better place with lot of opportunities when compared to any other third world country.

South Africa, Tunisia, Algeria are worlds ahead of India

darfay:


South Africa, Tunisia, Algeria are worlds ahead of India

They are a bit up but worlds ahead my foot.
Their GDP per capita and HDI are just 5-7 years ahead of India that even because of natural resources only which India will overtake easily in next 10 years even at its slowest speed.
Even upper middle income countries of Eastern Europe aren't more than decades away from India, leave alone middleastern North African countries. They will soon fall behind black Africans also as world transfers to energy efficient systems.

In terms of inequality adjusted indicators, they start to suck in things like poverty, education and healthcare. South Africa is worst among them.

In terms of modernity, technology, IPRs, political system and free society, India isn't outshined by any country outside far east, Russia and western world.

Stephenmoka4:
Like I mentioned before, India to Africa is a nay to me, yes India can have a population over Africa. I can think of China against North America (N.A is still a favorite to me) or Nigeria to Australia (Australia is still a favorite)

Whatever the case may be, it's everyone's choice.

Let's put it straight and stop comparing apple and oranges. Western countries you are pulling repeatedly here have different realities and no relevance to our concerns.

Canada and Australia have natural resources and a US security cover which played a great role in their development. US/N. America has lower population than China/India but still substantial and much higher resources per capita. No individual African country we have here to compare in terms of challenges and sizes (we will have later but not now).

In terms overall size, challenges and time or starting, perfect overview will be:

People's Republic of China; Republic of India; African continent as a whole

Post WW2, they were most poor boys of world and studying their histories and trajectories as a whole will help us to understand about global economic behavior, world's future and possible solutions to persisting problems.

Goel:

Let's put it straight and stop comparing apple and oranges. Western countries you are pulling repeatedly here have different realities and no relevance to our concerns.

Canada and Australia have natural resources and a US security cover which played a great role in their development. US/N. America has lower population than China/India but still substantial and much higher resources per capita. No individual African country we have here to compare in terms of challenges and sizes (we will have later but not now).

In terms overall size, challenges and time or starting, perfect overview will be:

People's Republic of China; Republic of India; African continent as a whole

Post WW2, they were most poor boys of world and studying their histories and trajectories as a whole will help us to understand about global economic behavior, world's future and possible solutions to persisting problems.

Whatever that maybe, India do have natural resources too. I can consider China but, against a continent would be a no no. Continent vs country are not a good way of evaluatng things like this

If you say India is a good country
Then there's nothing wrong with Nigeria

Stephenmoka4:
Whatever that maybe, India do have natural resources too.

Ours are nothing comparable to Africa or China. Even little minerals we have are either of lowest qualities or yet to have their uses discovered.

Stephenmoka4:
I can consider China but, against a continent would be a no no. Continent vs country are not a good way of evaluatng things like this

Well, your insisted unreasoned emphasis on "continent vs country" isn't helping our cause in anyway.

Continent, country, national subdivisions all are human defined political entities where we have not set up any strict parametrs. A number of countries are as big as continents while their provinces greatly outweigh full size "countries".

Saying "Oh! But Africa is a continent, India is just a country" doesn't sum up any rationality.

Let me give you my conclusion from this perspective;

Africa is divided into many soverign states

India is united under a state where people are powerful as state

China is united under a state where state holds full control on people.

China draws it's governing inspiration from an anti imperialist totalitarian regime in WW2 while India chose to be democracy to evade corruption and maintain accountability.

Immediately after their establishments, both PRC and Indian Republic started their multiple social engineering and economic experiments to become rich countries fast.


Lot of them weren't successful. China was always more effective than India in implementing proposals because Chinese state could do anything with it's people with impunity while Indian people used to throw away every harsh regime. Both countries ended up with little success and little failure and sometimes famines too.

Finally, China found the right formula and went ahead in 1978. India followed same in 80s but again because of it's public, it could only do it partially.


Whatever ups and downs both states faced here, their sizes were large enough to not let even world's greatest powers to directly intervene inside their countries.

Had Africa been a single country, if not entire Africa like Arabs of Nodth, at least all black countries, story of Africa as well as world would have been different.

A single large African country would be having first hand effective solutions for security and would have made great powers to compromise many times like in cases China & India did. A single state would have established a better coordination too.

Not saying it would have been a developed country. But still better than what it happens to be today.

If Europe would have united at right time (now it's declining and will be very weak soon), it would have been a bigger superpower than USA or Europe.

Goel:

Ours are nothing comparable to Africa or China. Even little minerals we have are either of lowest qualities or yet to have their uses discovered.

Well, your insisted unreasoned emphasis on "continent vs country" isn't helping our cause in anyway.

Continent, country, national subdivisions all are human defined political entities where we have not set up any strict parametrs. A number of countries are as big as continents while their provinces greatly outweigh full size "countries".

Saying "Oh! But Africa is a continent, India is just a country" doesn't sum up any rationality.

Let me give you my conclusion from this perspective;

Africa is divided into many soverign states

India is united under a state where people are powerful as state

China is united under a state where state holds full control on people.

China draws it's governing inspiration from an anti imperialist totalitarian regime in WW2 while India chose to be democracy to evade corruption and maintain accountability.

Immediately after their establishments, both PRC and Indian Republic started their multiple social engineering and economic experiments to become rich countries fast.


Lot of them weren't successful. China was always more effective than India in implementing proposals because Chinese state could do anything with it's people with impunity while Indian people used to throw away every harsh regime. Both countries ended up with little success and little failure and sometimes famines too.

Finally, China found the right formula and went ahead in 1978. India followed same in 80s but again because of it's public, it could only do it partially.


Whatever ups and downs both states faced here, their sizes were large enough to not let even world's greatest powers to directly intervene inside their countries.

Had Africa been a single country, if not entire Africa like Arabs of Nodth, at least all black countries, story of Africa as well as world would have been different.

A single large African country would be having first hand effective solutions for security and would have made great powers to compromise many times like in cases China & India did. A single state would have established a better coordination too.

Not saying it would have been a developed country. But still better than what it happens to be today.

If Europe would have united at right time (now it's declining and will be very weak soon), it would have been a bigger superpower than USA or Europe.

When I say I'll consider China, I'm not comparing it to Africa, hell no. I'll give that to Europe to compare of which Europe will still be the favour anyways the main thing is using the HDI of a place against another is not always a thing especially in India to Africa

Goel:

They are a bit up but worlds ahead my foot.
Their GDP per capita and HDI are just 5-7 years ahead of India that even because of natural resources only which India will overtake easily in next 10 years even at its slowest speed.
Even upper middle income countries of Eastern Europe aren't more than decades away from India, leave alone middleastern North African countries. They will soon fall behind black Africans also as world transfers to energy efficient systems.

In terms of inequality adjusted indicators, they start to suck in things like poverty, education and healthcare. South Africa is worst among them.

In terms of modernity, technology, IPRs, political system and free society, India isn't outshined by any country outside far east, Russia and western world.

The kind of infrastructure south African cities have ehn, India cannot compete.

India is an over populated hell hole

Stephenmoka4:
When I say I'll consider China, I'm not comparing it to Africa, hell no. I'll give that to Europe to compare of which Europe will still be the favour anyways the main thing is using the HDI of a place against another is not always a thing especially in India to Africa

It's not only HDI where India ranks much better than African average either. It's nearly every indicator.

darfay:
The kind of infrastructure south African cities have ehn, India cannot compete.

However, a couple of good places like Cape town aren't sufficient to help most of South African population that lives in pi$$ poor parts of the country, there are places like Chandigarh, Gurugram, Dholera, New Mumbai (don't confuse with old Mumbai) and so on.

Indexes of qualities of infrastructure to largest networks to per capita roads and trains to massive variety of rails and roads India has or is building is beyond comparison with South Africa.

Egypt is a way better example than Africa.

darfay:
India is an over populated hell hole

Overpopulated hellhole? LOL, whose population suffers more? Has more poverty? Crime rates, higher inequality and dim economic growth?

They suspended everything Visit Visas and other visas, Almost all nations you intend to fly to are locked down following the COVID- 19 outbreak. We give thanks to China. I suggest u wait a bit, let everything phase out a bit

Goel:

It's not only HDI where India ranks much better than African average either. It's nearly every indicator.

That's average HDI, like I mentioned earlier even if Singapore have an HDI over North America I'll still choose North America over Singapore. Same applies to India to Africa

Stephenmoka4:
That's average HDI, like I mentioned earlier even if Singapore have an HDI over North America I'll still choose North America over Singapore.

Singapore is a better place to live in than North America. Case is different it's a small city and can't accommodate so many people and many modern industries like US & Canada. Singapore is dependent upon international trade.
Still, it's citizens have slightly better living standards. If you wish to research, move to North America.

Stephenmoka4:
Same applies to India to Africa

No it doesn't. India is not a small city unlike Singapore. It's itself has a size of mini continent and is home to one sixth of world's population.

It ranks better than Africa in all terms. Living standards, Science and Technology and Economic complexity. Unlike NA and SGP who outpace each other in different indicators.

Goel:

Singapore is a better place to live in than North America. Case is different it's a small city and can't accommodate so many people and many modern industries like US & Canada. Singapore is dependent upon international trade.
Still, it's citizens have slightly better living standards. If you wish to research, move to North America.

No it doesn't. India is not a small city unlike Singapore. It's itself has a size of mini continent and is home to one sixth of world's population.

It ranks better than Africa in all terms. Living standards, Science and Technology and Economic complexity. Unlike NA and SGP who outpace each other in different indicators.

I will definitely go with North America anytime over Singapore.
It's not about size otherwise I can involve Russia to North America and still take North America, Russia do have the size of a mini continent and hundreds of millions of people in it, they might rank over many countries but, rank doesn't makes it better. There are so many countries that may be in top 10 ranking but, doesn't makes it better than the others.

Stephenmoka4:
I will definitely go with North America anytime over Singapore.

That's why you guys are either stupid or acting to look stupid.
All the arguments just for sake of argumenting.

Stephenmoka4:
It's not about size otherwise

Where the hell size was taken as a measure of development in entire debate?

People were talking "Ooh, Africa is a "continent" and India is "just a country".

So, sizes were being explained to them to justify comparisons. However, SGP vs NA was always stupid and NA is too big and diverse.

Performance wise, NA administrators would need more work. Still, Singapore doesn't have to focus on vast landmasses.

A port of good international cargo traffic is sufficient to sail the economy of a small city and keep it rich. Giant North America is better in terms of research and "opportunities" while SGP still has somehow good living standards.

In case of India and Africa, Africa doesn't outpace India in either of both cases while both have large populations and landmasses.

That's what I've been trying to explain in those dozens of post.

Stephenmoka4:
I can involve Russia to North America and still take North America, Russia do have the size of a mini continent and hundreds of millions of people in it, they might rank over many countries but, rank doesn't makes it better. There are so many countries that may be in top 10 ranking but, doesn't makes it better than the others.

Russia is a developing country with very high inequality, stagnated economy, per capita income behind so many Asia countries and soon to be overtaken by others. Anyday, it's far behind Western world in terms of living standards.

Goel:

That's why you guys are either stupid or acting to look stupid.
All the arguments just for sake of argumenting.

Where the hell size was taken as a measure of development in entire debate?

People were talking "Ooh, Africa is a "continent" and India is "just a country".

So, sizes were being explained to them to justify comparisons. However, SGP vs NA was always stupid and NA is too big and diverse.

Performance wise, NA administrators would need more work. Still, Singapore doesn't have to focus on vast landmasses.

A port of good international cargo traffic is sufficient to sail the economy of a small city and keep it rich. Giant North America is better in terms of research and "opportunities" while SGP still has somehow good living standards.

In case of India and Africa, Africa doesn't outpace India in either of both cases while both have large populations and landmasses.

That's what I've been trying to explain in those dozens of post.

Russia is a developing country with very high inequality, stagnated economy, per capita income behind so many Asia countries and soon to be overtaken by others. Anyday, it's far behind Western world in terms of living standards.

Not an argument or for argument sake, if you understand the lines, I mean I'll consider Africa over India.
All those HDI are just somewhat measurements.
It is not uncommon that Africans would always downgrade Africa, don't know if you guys are one of those dumb Africans that do that or just love doing it but, India to Africa. It's a no no, simple.
Every place have their ups and downs, I consider India an African country remix or some modified African country.

Stephenmoka4:
Not an argument or for argument sake, if you understand the lines, I mean I'll consider Africa over India.
All those HDI are just somewhat measurements.

Attachment to motherland is a different thing. Most of Indians don't want to migrate to foreign even if they have this ability.

Preferring development is other thing of materialism and here India is a bit better than any other third world country in world.
HDI I used was to quantify my statement just. A lot of other indicators will pull it ahead by far.

It is not uncommon that Africans would always downgrade Africa, don't know if you guys are one of those dumb Africans that do that or just love doing it but, India to Africa. It's a no no, simple.

Well, I'm not an African at first place. Nor I intend to downgrade your place.
I'm not supposed to write anything on emotions but bluntly on facts, data and perspectives I absorbed.

Every place have their ups and downs,

I never denied it. If you see, I've said earlier myself.
And the case we are talking about, your side unfortunately happens to have more downs.

I consider India an African country remix or some modified African country.

Just imagine if Africa had a single government.

India as an individual countries is too big and diverse to be judged.

Goel:

However, a couple of good places like Cape town aren't sufficient to help most of South African population that lives in pi$$ poor parts of the country, there are places like Chandigarh, Gurugram, Dholera, New Mumbai (don't confuse with old Mumbai) and so on.

Indexes of qualities of infrastructure to largest networks to per capita roads and trains to massive variety of rails and roads India has or is building is beyond comparison with South Africa.

Egypt is a way better example than Africa.

Overpopulated hellhole? LOL, whose population suffers more? Has more poverty? Crime rates, higher inequality and dim economic growth?

You're delusional if you think your country is comparable to South Africa in any way, even the "piss poor areas", as you call them. Your country is a polluted, dirty & smelly banyard...a description repeated by many South Africans (even the ones of Indian descent) who've visited India. Very poor hygiene, where you could get infected with hepatitis from eating street food. Parts of your country still uses open fire to cook, nowhere in South Africa do people still collect firewood to prepare daily meals, not even in the villages...which happen to have 100× better standard of living than Indian villages. A friend of mine is married to a guy from Surat & she visited that dump not too long ago. She couldn't believe how humid & filthy the place was, starting as soon as you step out the airport. It's no wonder Indians can live comfortably even in the "piss poor parts" of South Africa because they're used to far worse living conditions, where some have never even seen an electric plug! Yes, my friend had to teach someone visiting from Gujarat how to plug a kettle on the wall!

Nothing in our country can ever be compared to this. Absolutely nothing! You must be off your rockers!

Morning Xhosa, can't believe how quiet the streets are this morning

IronGalaxy:
Morning Xhosa, can't believe how quiet the streets are this morning

Is it? I'm still in my PJs, so I wouldn't know, but I can hear cars outside in my area. Was woken up early this morning by some Pakistani idiot (Goel's cousin) jogging around the building @ 5 am! I can't wait until this thing is over. I can sense it already that we're about to get on each other's nerves.

Hope you're having a better morning Stay safe.

JaceBlaze & Irongalaxy, it's no wonder Indians love places like Marabastad, they remind them of home sweet home

Seriously, what in the fùckitty fùck is this place? What do you call it? It can't be a city. No way!

Nondescript. Absolutely fùcking gross.

XhosaNostra:


You're delusional if you think your country is comparable to South Africa in any way, even the "piss poor areas", as you call them. Your country is a polluted, dirty & smelly banyard...a description repeated by many South Africans (even the ones of Indian descent) who've visited India. Very poor hygiene, where you could get infected with hepatitis from eating street food. Parts of your country still uses open fire to cook, nowhere in South Africa do people still collect firewood to prepare daily meals, not even in the villages...which happen to have 100× better standard of living than Indian villages. A friend of mine is married to a guy from Surat & she visited that dump not too long ago. She couldn't believe how humid & filthy the place was, starting as soon as you step out the airport. It's no wonder Indians can live comfortably even in the "piss poor parts" of South Africa because they're used to far worse living conditions, where some have never even seen an electric plug! Yes, my friend had to teach someone visiting from Gujarat how to plug a kettle on the wall!

Nothing in our country can ever be compared to this. Absolutely nothing! You must be off your rockers!

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Jaqenhghar:


Damn
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It's the truth! I've seen the photos that my friend took on her visit to India. They have shacks & mounds of garbage right near the international airport. The roads are congested with those yellow dwarf cars & cows. They have potholes deep & wide enough to use as a pool. I bet they have block pool parties in them or even bathe in them since they don't know any better. Nobody can tell me anything about India or Indians. They're everywhere in South Africa, even in the villages, living their best lives because it sure beats Hyderabad any time of the day The trains he's talking about are to be seen to be believed India is a lawless, dirty stinking hellhole! Me sach bol, bhaisab Fùck this guy & his fantastical fallacies. He can only wish!

XhosaNostra:
JaceBlaze & Irongalaxy, it's no wonder Indians love places like Marabastad, they remind them of home sweet home

Seriously, what in the fùckitty fùck is this place? What do you call it? It can't be a city. No way!

Nondescript. Absolutely fùcking gross.

Lol and Marabastad still smells better than the latrine they left behind.


Tjoo looks Godzilla walked there a couple of times.And you know what pisses me off?...the way Indians walk around Africa feeling like the should have a red carpet rolled out for them.Most of them are even darker than midnight but they wanna look down on Africans,I'm sure I would look an albino if I stood next to some of them.OMG! have you seen the toad-looking ones in Durban? .Goel's cousins can be irritating sometimes.I don't take shìt from Indians and Goel can suck it up.


Sorry for the rant,I'm pissed

Ayeye Goel!

Will he defend the glory of India or will he remain down from the gut-wrenching blows he was served?

Find out all of this on the next episode of DragoballZ

JaceBlaze:


Lol and Marabastad still smells better than the latrine they left behind.


Tjoo looks Godzilla walked there a couple of times.And you know what pisses me off?...the way Indians walk around Africa feeling like the should have a red carpet rolled out for them.Most of them are even darker than midnight but they wanna look down on Africans,I'm sure I would look an albino if I stood next to some of them.OMG! have you seen the toad-looking ones in Durban? .Goel's cousins can be irritating sometimes.I don't take shìt from Indians and Goel can suck it up.


Sorry for the rant,I'm pissed

Ovious! Marabastad could even qualify as a capital city of some dumpster area over there because it looks way better than some of the places I've seen in the the pictures my friend showed. Maybe I should tell her to WhatsApp me the junk, so you can see it for yourself. It is unbelievable!
Yes, they like to walk around feeling phly after they've learned some dress sense & grooming habits from our local Indians. A guy whose name is Kashief, will come to South Africa, get a complete makeover & start calling themselves Kash/Cash That's how the spice boys roll All of them, even their Pakistani brethren. Very backward & fake people.

XhosaNostra:


Ovious! Marabastad could even qualify as a capital city of some dumpster area over there because it looks way better than some of the places I've seen in the the pictures my friend showed. Maybe I should tell her to WhatsApp me the junk, so you can see it for yourself. It is unbelievable!
Yes, they like to walk around feeling phly after they've learned some dress sense & grooming habits from our local Indians. A guy whose name is Kashief, will come to South Africa, get a complete makeover & start calling themselves Kash/Cash That's how the spice boys roll All of them, even their Pakistani brethren. Very backward & fake people.

Yebo! Marabastad is Buckingham Palace if you compare with poo-India,even smells like a lemon flavored furniture cleaner compared to poo-India.

Pictures will do.They say a picture says a thousand word afterall.How does your friend survive around that curry smell?


Oh and they are the biggest snitches EVEEER.They got many of our brothers and sisters fired from white owned companies.They are a perfect example of if you suck the right dìck you can get to the top.

Like you said,them and Pakistanis are cousins.And you say one woke you up this morning jogging around the place See..that's what happens when a wild mongoose get's a little taste of civilization.


@ Goel ..Where for art thou?

JaceBlaze:
Ayeye Goel!

Will he defend the glory of India or will he remain down from the gut-wrenching blows he was served?

Find out all of this on the next episode of DragoballZ

Naaaaah. He's out
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No coming back for this one

JaceBlaze:


Lol and Marabastad still smells better than the latrine they left behind.


Tjoo looks Godzilla walked there a couple of times.And you know what pisses me off?...the way Indians walk around Africa feeling like the should have a red carpet rolled out for them.Most of them are even darker than midnight but they wanna look down on Africans,I'm sure I would look an albino if I stood next to some of them.OMG! have you seen the toad-looking ones in Durban? .Goel's cousins can be irritating sometimes.I don't take shìt from Indians and Goel can suck it up.


Sorry for the rant,I'm pissed

You should see them in Niggeria. Niggerians call them "master". They feel really fly

XhosaNostra:


Ovious! Marabastad could even qualify as a capital city of some dumpster area over there because it looks way better than some of the places I've seen in the the pictures my friend showed. Maybe I should tell her to WhatsApp me the junk, so you can see it for yourself. It is unbelievable!
Yes, they like to walk around feeling phly after they've learned some dress sense & grooming habits from our local Indians. A guy whose name is Kashief, will come to South Africa, get a complete makeover & start calling themselves Kash/Cash That's how the spice boys roll All of them, even their Pakistani brethren. Very backward & fake people.

I can't breath.......
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I can't breath
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