bukatyne:
Disclaimer: This thread is based on Christian principles.

Happy Quarantine everyone

Hope those staying at home are not bored?

Now to the gist of the thread:

This thread is basically juxtaposing a Christian Husband with Jesus Christ. The idea dropped from the threads about disadvantages of no-sex courtship and 'I don't want to re-incarnate as a Nigerian woman'. Some other thoughts dropped while listening to 'In Christ Alone' by Travis Cottrel although there are several versions.

The Bible compares the marriage between Christ and the Church (all believers) with a husband and wife. Ephesians 5: 31 - 32. Full reading Eph 5:21-33
31 As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.”[c]
32 This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.

Hence my comparing a husband to Jesus Christ. Now, I know a husband is human so cannot be perfect and is working towards perfection. Also, since it is an illustration of Christ's relationship with the Church, it would not completely be same. For instance, wives do not pray in their husband's name nor can the husband save his wife.

Please note that Christians, when I talk imperfection, we are not talking adultery or abuse here. I will be picking some of Christ's characteristics that a Christian husband should emulate:

1. His love: The Bible is filled with stories and instances of God's love John 3:16. The new testament tells us of the love of Christ who left His glory in heaven, came in form of man to save mankind he created. Eph 3:17-19. John 15:9-10. He also corrects us to be the best version of ourselves in love.1 Cor 13:1-13 is also a fantastic read.

2. His goodness, mercy and compassion: Everywhere Jesus went, He was know for doing good. His presence signaled relief, lifting of burdens, forgiveness of sins, restoration, redemption etc. etc. Acts 10:38; Matthew 14:14; Matthew 9:36. His Mercy is seen in the story of the adulterous woman; John 8:1-11. He had mercy on the thief beside Him.

3. His thoughtfulness: His prayer in the whole John 17 for His disciples and Christians worldwide; Him sending us the Holy Spirit who functions as teacher, encourager, comforter and empowerer. Him feeding the multitude who came to listen on several occasions. Even at the cross, while dying and facing separation from His Heavenly father, He still remembered to commit His earthly mother into a disciples' hands: John 19:26-27

4. His forgiveness: In addition to His love, the Bible tells us about Jesus Christ forgiving our sins Colossians 2:14; John 1:12; 1st John 1:8

5. His leadership: He was a servant-leader/Shepherd who laid down His life for His sheep. We are called Christians because we follow his example back to back. As a leader, He did not lord it over us, rather doing everything for our benefit. John 13:12-17; Matthew 20:22-28; Philippians 2:3; 1st Pet 5:1-4 etc.

6. His sacrifice: Philippians 2: 5-11 summarizes His ultimate sacrifice. He accepted to be separated from God the Father for a while to die for us despite the cost Matthew 26:39. During His crucifixion, He carried the sins of the world as no human/animal sacrifice can fully pay for our sins hence separated (forsaken) by God who is Holy and cannot behold sin Luke 15:34; Isaiah 59:1-2; 1st Peter 2: 21-24; 1st John 2:2. Why did He risk all that? Because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9:22.

7. His ownership & authority: Everywhere in the Bible we are reminded that we are the possession of Christ bought by His precious blood; the highest bride price anyone has paid for a bride. Yet the sound of ownership by Christ gives us peace, joy, love, hope, eternal assurance of glory etc. Through that ownership, we are joint heirs with Him, assured of Heaven, assured of seeing God Eph 1: 1-14. He gave us the Holy Spirit to identify us, he is not ashamed of us. Everywhere the authority of Christ is mentioned, it is for the benefit of we Christians. At no point did Christ ever use the fact that He is the head or 'paid bride-price' to 'bully' or 'disrespect' the Church. Infact, the hope and confidence of Christians is based on the fact that Christ is creator John 1:1-5 and Lord of everything for our benefit. Eph 1:22-23. Every title He has/gave himself was for our benefit: Bread of life, Prince of Peace, the Resurrection and life, the Living Water etc.

8. His intimacy: He tells us in John 15:1-5 that He is the vine and we are branches and He tells us to abide in him as He abides in us. He also shared everything He knew about God the Father John 15: 14-15. We do not know the date of His second coming ONLY because He did not know as man Mark 13:32, He however told us several signs Matthew 24 and warned us to keeping watching till then. As Christians, we never doubt our place in Jesus or His love/intentions for us because He tells us all the time. The whole of Romans 8. John chapters 14 through 17 is a very good read.

9. His empowerment: Jesus Christ wants us to do greater things than He he did and sent us the Holy Spirit to achieve that. John 14:12. For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. 2nd Timothy 1:7; He empowers to do everything (godly) Philippians 4:13

10. His emotions: He was in tune with His emotions and allowed them flow. He cried when Lazarus died and saw how people were sad even though He could and would raise Him up . John 11:33-44; Because Jerusalem rejected salvation Luke 13:34; When He prayed to God for deliverance from death before His time Hebrews 5:7. He expressed deep anger when the temple people started buying and selling Matthew 21:12-13. He has felt the same thing we have so can empathize with us. Hebrews 4:14-16

11. His provision: He gave us salvation through His blood, riches through His poverty 2nd Cor 8:9; Power and Comfort through the Holy Spirit Acts 1:4,7-8; will supply all that we need according to his riches in glory Philippians 4:19 etc.

A fantastic and blessed write up. I pray for God's grace upon me as I strike to be a model husband like Christ is to the Church. An amazing woman who deserves all the above from me is my portion. Amen!

sassysure:
Very wrong comparison that Christians normally make and unrealistic.
When husbands fail to reach up to half of the points mentioned, wives will be utterly frustrated and this breeds resentments afterall the men should be like Jesus.
(It's like the proverbial virtuous woman that men hold onto or women submissivess churches preach.)

Jesus never married.
Just like saying reverend fathers are the best marriage counsellors.
How can they when they don't marry.

In marriage, u don't look up to anybody cos u will fail.
Everybody has his or her own uniqueness horned by his or her environment or nature. No written rules. Don't set standard rather encourage the best traits u see in your spouse. Marriage work best when u dont set standards.
Go and make research.
When u set standards for human, that's when they fail most or if they should ever aspire to meet such standards, it will.be forced and not from the heart. E.g. parents and children.

The thread is not just about a husband but a Christian husband.There's nothing unrealistic about the thread and the virtues Op outlined.
I can understand the frustrations of many people and I dare say you too because many have not learnt that you actually can live 'THIS LIFE' that the bible speaks about.It's not religion.

bukatyne:
Whew! More than 4hrs working on this + In Christ Alone on repeat.

Thank you Jesus.

I love love that song

sassysure:

Still wrong comparison.
The day Christians will start seeing things realistically instead of fantasizing about things they can't achieve but pretend they do,maybe, we will start having better family system.

U know, men loves the total submission thing.
Women don't like it. Forget the pretence.
That is the most important verse in the bible as far as Nigerian man who is a Christian is concerned. Remove that and they will lose interest in church
And because women want to go to heaven, they stomach it and abide by it even when it's killing them inside
U see the various marital squabbles we see everyday from beating househelp, fighting in-laws etc all are by --products of biblical submission.
Refer to what I wrote in the beginning if u want to have good marriage. A marriage where one member feel stifled due to religious obligation is not marriage.

The Nigerian society is an extension of the family.
So far, so bad. That tells you we got it all wrong from the beginning.
U stifle the woman, woman stifle the child and this goes on and on and the product is an unbalanced society.
Has it paid off well for us as a country and society?
When u look at Nigeria as an entity, u get a failed nation showing we have failed family system and that means that some archaic laws we follow and believe in that are not meant for this century don't work for us. The biblical submission law is archaic. Isreal don't even practice that but yeah, we believe we know the bible more than them especially the old testament.
Let's accept the truth.

The developed nations were like us at a point. But they had to tell themselves the truth.
U don't stifle your women and expect the outcome to be glamourous.
Women maintain the emotional stability of men and families naturally. When she isnt free to do it naturally, u get what we presently have.

U guys should continue with laws from the bible and let the society keep rotting away.

At the end of the day we will still depend on those who don't obey such to breath.
Your choice, their gain

In summary you are saying it is an herculean task for a woman to submit and the husband to love and respect his wife.. You are also saying Christ was wrong to admonished us to follow what we are not capable of doing It is well.

Bukatyne for president - na me go be de director of finance of your campaign organization. LOL.

On a more serious note, well-written. Kudos.

Meanwhile, I believe that a man doesn't necessarily need to be a Christian/religious proponent to be a Christ-like husband to his wife, like Christ is to the church. With conscientiousness as the hallmark of goodness/soul of fairness and altruism as the soul of both love and submissiveness, I don't have doubt that a conscientious man who's altruistic interest towards his wife is equal to a Christ-like husband, regardless of whether or not he's a Christian.

Man makes religion, not the other way round, and God's for all of us.

bukatyne:


Jesus Christ is coming with His reward at His second coming.

Expect a husband is re-incarnating or has the ability to judge his wife, how does this apply?

And don't confuse punishment for an action with consequence of it.

That is not to say a husband (and wife) cannot express their displeasure of an action/inaction and respond/react to it.

You just went in circles and finished at the starting point.

1. There is a verse in the bible that talked about how Jesus punished a group of believers that were trading in a church. If I remember correctly, he instantly destroyed their goods and sent them out of the church.

2. The tenet of the Christian faith is that there is a reward or punishment for every action and inaction. In light of this, how is this reward or punishment determined if not through judgement? Refer to one above: Jesus instantly judged the actions of the traders in order to determine the appropriate punishment to be meted out to them.

3. As a Christian husband who according to you should emulate Jesus' personalities and actions, he is expected to judge his wife's actions in order to determine the appropriate rewards or punishments for them. So why conveniently omit that christ-like quality from one of the qualities a Christian husband should have? Afterall Jesus did not wait for his second coming to do what he did in one above.

4. "And don't confuse punishment for an action with consequence of it." I don't understand this statement. Punishment is a consequence of an action often meted out by an appointed authority either consentually or not. By your logic in these case the husband is the appointed authority and should be able to mete out punishments befitting his wife's actions

5. How does one express one's displeasure of an action that have occurred more than once?

6. I am not in disagreement with your writeup. My standpoint is that if a husband have to be christ-like and uphold the christian faith, he must practise it in all totality, otherwise he shouldn't at all. There is no in-betweens and convenient omissions when it comes to Christian faith. If according to christiandom, a husband should behave like Jesus, he should be able to punish and reward his wife for her actions.

sassysure:
Very wrong comparison that Christians normally make and unrealistic.
When husbands fail to reach up to half of the points mentioned, wives will be utterly frustrated and this breeds resentments afterall the men should be like Jesus.
(It's like the proverbial virtuous woman that men hold onto or women submissivess churches preach.)

Jesus never married.
Just like saying reverend fathers are the best marriage counsellors.
How can they when they don't marry.

In marriage, u don't look up to anybody cos u will fail.
Everybody has his or her own uniqueness horned by his or her environment or nature. No written rules. Don't set standard rather encourage the best traits u see in your spouse. Marriage work best when u dont set standards.
Go and make research.
When u set standards for human, that's when they fail most or if they should ever aspire to meet such standards, it will.be forced and not from the heart. E.g. parents and children.

The comparison is not unrealistic for Christians. They might however fail once in a while because they are humans.

Submission in Christianity is also not subjugation or relegating the woman.

Mryacks:


A fantastic and blessed write up. I pray for God's grace upon me as I strike to be a model husband like Christ is to the Church. An amazing woman who deserves all the above from me is my portion. Amen!

Amen and amen!

I am so happy even if this is all the thread has achieved.

LordKO:
Bukatyne for president - na me go be de director of finance of your campaign organization. LOL.

On a more serious note, well-written. Kudos.

Meanwhile, I believe that a man doesn't necessarily need to be a Christian/religious proponent to be a Christ-like husband to his wife, like Christ is to the church. With conscientiousness as the hallmark of goodness/soul of fairness and altruism as the soul of both love and submissiveness, I don't have doubt that a conscientious man who's altruistic interest towards his wife is equal to a Christ-like husband, regardless of whether or not he's a Christian.

Man makes religion, not the other way round, and God's for all of us.

Hahahahahaha, thanks.

Well, I picked the virtues from the life of Christ and I did not want much back and forth hence the disclaimer.

YourCoffin:


You just went in circles and finished at the starting point.

1. There is a verse in the bible that talked about how Jesus punished a group of believers that were trading in a church. If I remember correctly, he instantly destroyed their goods and sent them out of the church.

2. The tenet of the Christian faith is that there is a reward or punishment for every action and inaction. In light of this, how is this reward or punishment determined if not through judgement? Refer to one above: Jesus instantly judged the actions of the traders in order to determine the appropriate punishment to be meted out to them.

3. As a Christian husband who according to you should emulate Jesus' personalities and actions, he is expected to judge his wife's actions in order to determine the appropriate rewards or punishments for them. So why conveniently omit that christ-like quality from one of the qualities a Christian husband should have? Afterall Jesus did not wait for his second coming to do what he did in one above.

4. "And don't confuse punishment for an action with consequence of it." I don't understand this statement. Punishment is a consequence of an action often meted out by an appointed authority either consentually or not. By your logic in these case the husband is the appointed authority and should be able to mete out punishments befitting his wife's actions

5. How does one express one's displeasure of an action that have occurred more than once?

6. I am not in disagreement with your writeup. My standpoint is that if a husband have to be christ-like and uphold the christian faith, he must practise it in all totality, otherwise he shouldn't at all. There is no in-betweens and convenient omissions when it comes to Christian faith. If according to christiandom, a husband should behave like Jesus, he should be able to punish and reward his wife for her actions.

1. Jesus chased the sellers from the temple which is not actually a punishment. Again, that they were in the temple doesn't mean they are His people.

2. There is a difference between consequences and punishment. A child doesn't read and fail is a consequence of his inaction (reading). His parents flogging him is a punishment. Even the Bible says 'the wages of sin is death'. You like compare 'wages' to 'result' or 'consequences' of an action: sin. In the old Testament, you had the sin/ punishment structure which is not in the new Testament. Which was the reason Paul said 'should sin continue because grace abounds'? And he answered 'God forbid'. Correct me if I am wrong, there is no where Jesus Christ punished anyone. Even Peter who betrayed Him, He prayed for Peter and forgave. He however will come back with His reward at the second coming.

3. A husband is NOT Jesus Christ so he can not judge His wife. He does not have the moral capacity to do so. He can only correct her or judge himself so he retrace his steps back to Christ. Cleansing of the temple is not even 'punishing' them.

4. I explained the difference in point 2. A lady getting pregnant out of wedlock is NOT her punishment for having sex: it is the natural consequence or result of having sex. Infact, if she is married, doing same thing and not pregnant, we would be worried. A consequence is your report card so to speak.

5. This is vague. First why does the action displease you? Your selfish interest? Expecting something your wife cannot deliver? Not communicating well enough? Besides, the Bible admonishes forgiving a party 70 * 7 in a day. As believers, when we sin, we pray for forgiveness even though the ideal is to grow from repeatedly committing same sin and make disciples of other men. Jesus doesn't slap us or kick us when we lie or talk proudly. The Holy Spirit in you convicts you till you repent of it.

6. There is no problem disagreeing. I had a target audience hence the disclaimer. A Christian husband understand what is expected of him in the Bible. If his wife told him to die for her afresh, he will wonder if all is well. If Jesus Christ who dies for us, bought us with His blood doesn't punish us despite our per minute sin, what moral right does a husband have to punish his wife?

LadySarah:


I love love that song

Awwwww, glad I brought it here for you.

bukatyne:


1. Jesus chased the sellers from the temple which is not actually a punishment. Again, that they were in the temple doesn't mean they are His people.

2. There is a difference between consequences and punishment. A child doesn't read and fail is a consequence of his inaction (reading). His parents flogging him is a punishment. Even the Bible says 'the wages of sin is death'. You like compare 'wages' to 'result' or 'consequences' of an action: sin. In the old Testament, you had the sin/ punishment structure which is not in the new Testament. Which was the reason Paul said 'should sin continue because grace abounds'? And he answered 'God forbid'. Correct me if I am wrong, there is no where Jesus Christ punished anyone. Even Peter who betrayed Him, He prayed for Peter and forgave. He however will come back with His reward at the second coming.

3. A husband is NOT Jesus Christ so he can not judge His wife. He does not have the moral capacity to do so. He can only correct her or judge himself so he retrace his steps back to Christ. Cleansing of the temple is not even 'punishing' them.

4. I explained the difference in point 2. A lady getting pregnant out of wedlock is NOT her punishment for having sex: it is the natural consequence or result of having sex. Infact, if she is married, doing same thing and not pregnant, we would be worried. A consequence is your report card so to speak.

5. This is vague. First why does the action displease you? Your selfish interest? Expecting something your wife cannot deliver? Not communicating well enough? Besides, the Bible admonishes forgiving a party 70 * 7 in a day. As believers, when we sin, we pray for forgiveness even though the ideal is to grow from repeatedly committing same sin and make disciples of other men. Jesus doesn't slap us or kick us when we lie or talk proudly. The Holy Spirit in you convicts you till you repent of it.

6. There is no problem disagreeing. I had a target audience hence the disclaimer. A Christian husband understand what is expected of him in the Bible. If his wife told him to die for her afresh, he will wonder if all is well. If Jesus Christ who dies for us, bought us with His blood doesn't punish us despite our per minute sin, what moral right does a husband have to punish his wife?

Your responses are funny to me.

1. If sending them away is not punishmment, what do we call the act of destroying their means of livelihood? The bible did not say they were not his people. They were among a group of belivers who came to that town to celebrate a Christian festival.

2. So if the child had read his/ her book would the child's parent flog the child? Refer to one above to see where Jesus punished a set of people. If that is not punishment I wonder what is.

3. Exactly my point. Don't expect him to be christ-like when he is incapable of being so. It is impossible to fulfil one's religious fantasies and husbands shouldn't accept such burden.

4. My definition of punishment as it relates to consequence is quite clear. It is a consequence of an action meted out by a consentually or non-consentually appointed authority. A lady getting pregnant out of wedlock is a consequence. Her parents throwing her out of the house becomes punishment- a consequence meted out by an authority.

5. Refer to one above - that act seems to be in contrary to what you are saying the bible says.

6. Doesn't the bible expect a christian husband to be morally upright? If you say they lack the moral capacity to judge their wife does it mean they don't understand what is expected of them in the bible? Or is it that it is impossible to do what is expected of them in the bible?

sassysure:
Very wrong comparison that Christians normally make and unrealistic.
When husbands fail to reach up to half of the points mentioned, wives will be utterly frustrated and this breeds resentments afterall the men should be like Jesus.
(It's like the proverbial virtuous woman that men hold onto or women submissivess churches preach.)

Jesus never married.
Just like saying reverend fathers are the best marriage counsellors.
How can they when they don't marry.

In marriage, u don't look up to anybody cos u will fail.
Everybody has his or her own uniqueness horned by his or her environment or nature. No written rules. Don't set standard rather encourage the best traits u see in your spouse. Marriage work best when u dont set standards.
Go and make research.
When u set standards for human, that's when they fail most or if they should ever aspire to meet such standards, it will.be forced and not from the heart. E.g. parents and children.

Hmmmmm...so much wisdom,i think of this too,what would have happened if Jesus married,would it have been all rosy and dreamy or would it have bumps and rough edges like every other marriage,the long and short of it is that no one is perfect,we all just seem to have that perfect mental image of the person we want ,I know Christian brothers who aren't passionate about any other thing that learning and reading the book and seeking spiritual knowledge,which is a good thing ,but their physical life suffer even their family,some don't have any other aspirations other than the Bible,some don't even have any careers ,I think of it and I tell myself "is God against people developing and advancing in several other areas other than religion and faith"..in short ,people need to find a balance in everything, find a man who loves the things of the spirit and also is goal oriented, ambitious and is ready to develop through the journey of life with you..

Nice write up. However, you forget the most important thing. The wife's obligation. Which is a duty to her husband. A wife exist to serve the husband and that is according to your bible.

doublegoldcrown:
If Nigerian husbands can do half of these things you have outlined, their wives will submit 98%.
btw, did you include faithfulness?

Did Jesus Christ ever tell any women followers of His that they had to submit to their husbands?
Did His rapport with them suggest that they were to submit to men in any way or form?

thorpido:
The thread is not just about a husband but a Christian husband.There's nothing unrealistic about the thread and the virtues Op outlined.
I can understand the frustrations of many people and I dare say you too because many have not learnt that you actually can live 'THIS LIFE' that the bible speaks about.It's not religion.

Did Jesus Christ ever exclude women from living exactly as He did? If No, should the @OP be making comparisons to men alone?

bukatyne:
Hence my comparing a husband to Jesus Christ. Now, I know a husband is human so cannot be perfect and is working towards perfection.
The above is an extract from my OP (opening post).

Actually a husband, and a wife can both be and should be perfect for Jesus Christ commands this of all His followers (no gender exceptions made).
You simply need to have a better understanding of what Jesus Christ meant when He gave the commandment and it can be found within the provided context.

Matthew 5 vs 43-48 (ERV)
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43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

bukatyne:
Also, since it is an illustration of Christ's relationship with the Church, it would not completely be same. For instance, wives do not pray in their husband's name nor can the husband save his wife.

Jesus Christ gave you a better illustration of the relationship between His Church and Himself in His many parables. Why not consult those instead since they do not feed into this inane idea that one gender is somehow held higher (in a marriage relationship) in Christ's Church than the other, an assumption that goes completely counter to Jesus Christ's teachings?

sassysure:
Very wrong comparison that Christians normally make and unrealistic.
When husbands fail to reach up to half of the points mentioned, wives will be utterly frustrated and this breeds resentments afterall the men should be like Jesus.

Men and women alike are expected to be like Jesus Christ...obey His commandments and live as He did. This is a requirement of all Christians, male AND female alike.

sassysure:
(It's like the proverbial virtuous woman that men hold onto or women submissivess churches preach.)

Well, what would anyone expect as advice from a woman who was married to a man with 700 wives and 300 concubines? Obviously, King Lemuel's mother was not ready to see her son become like his father before him.

sassysure:
Jesus never married.

Jesus never gave anyone marriage advice either.

sassysure:
Just like saying reverend fathers are the best marriage counsellors. How can they when they don't marry.

I don't even understand why anyone would think a reverend father would make a good marriage counselor.

sassysure:
In marriage, u don't look up to anybody cos u will fail.
Everybody has his or her own uniqueness horned by his or her environment or nature. No written rules. Don't set standard rather encourage the best traits u see in your spouse. Marriage work best when u dont set standards.
Go and make research.
When u set standards for human, that's when they fail most or if they should ever aspire to meet such standards, it will.be forced and not from the heart. E.g. parents and children.

But, I hope you are not suggesting that a married woman or man cannot, at the same time, be expected to be or remain a good follower of Jesus Christ?

bdchange:
Yes Jesus never married yet he set a standard that will last forever only when practice intently.

The Standard that Jesus set was not for married people. His standards apply to every individual follower of His, regardless of the relationship tag you wish to apply.

bdchange:
In Eph 5 where He admonishes wives to submit and husbands to love and respect, have you found any couple with total obedience to this words go wrong in their marriage??

Jesus Christ is not responsible for the letter to the church in Ephesus... Paul wrote that letter, and there is no record of Paul ever being married.

That assumption is not relevant to predicting what his behaviour would have been if he had been actually married to a physical real life woman. Even his vaunted patience would have been sorely tested. He was probably an Essene; they were notoriously anti-female.

The comparison made between Christ and marriage comes from one of Paul's letters which may have been edited sometime between the second and third centuries.

LewsTherin:
Well, the lockdown is just beginning so you have oodles of time on your hands!My opinion? Well I am a Christian and I do take my faith seriously so I agree with it.T D Jakes said while woves are expected to submit to their husbands, husbands are expected, like Christ, to sacrifice themselves for their wives.

Did you also ask TD Jakes where in the Bible Jesus Christ actually set such an expectation for His followers?

LewsTherin:
A husband's leadership of his family is not a master-slave relationship that many people like describing it as. My analogy for the headship of a husband is of a ship's captain.
There cannot be 2 captains on the same boat. That boat will go nowhere.
The destination of a ship is not always the decision of the captain but it is the responsibility of the captain to get that boat to the destination agreed on.
If any crew member or members choose to disregard the instructions of the captain on the operations of the ship, chaos results. The ship becomes a mess. The boat may never reach its destination. Heck there are many more chances for the ship to hit an iceberg and sink.
If the captain fails to take into consideration the views of his crew, failures mount up and mutiny may be the result to the detriment of all on board. Both captain and crew.
And finally and most importantly, the captain always goes down with his ship.

Keep deluding yourself!
As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, the relationship between Himself and His followers is a Master-slave relationship meaning He doles out the commandments, you obey them.
Now if you as a man are expected as a follower of Jesus Christ to obey His every commandment and your wife, also a follower is expected to obey Jesus Christ's every commandment, what of that makes you think that Jesus Christ expects your wife to submit to you, an equal slave in the Master-Slave relationship that exists equally between Jesus Christ, your person, and your wife?

Kobojunkie:
Did you also ask TD Jakes where in the Bible Jesus Christ actually set such an expectation for His followers?
Keep deluding yourself!

I don't have to ask him. I read the Bible for myself.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Eph 5:25

As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, the relationship between Himself and His followers is a Master-slave relationship meaning He doles out the commandments, you obey them.
Now if you as a man are expected as a follower of Jesus Christ to obey His every commandment and your wife, also a follower is expected to obey Jesus Christ's every commandment, what of that makes you think that Jesus Christ expects your wife to submit to you, an equal slave in the Master-Slave relationship that exists equally between Jesus Christ, your person, and your wife?

The relationship between Christ and His followers is one of Leader-follower, Redeemer-redeemed, Father-Child, vine-branch and so much more all at the same time. We follow and obey His EVERY command not because He holds our leashes in a master-slave relationship like you want to portray it, but because He knows everything and wants the best for us. Every command and instruction He gives is the best possible option. We follow that.

A husband cannot know every possible option for his wife. But he should want the best for her and his striving for that is what should make the wife willing to follow his lead, to submit to his leadership. He leads. He doesn't rule. She is no slave. And Christ didn't say that, doesn't expect that.

If you are willing to know the Christian opinion of the relationship between husband and wife and not just looking for a bone to attack, Ephesians 5 is a good place to start.

Kobojunkie:

The comparison made between Christ and marriage comes from one of Paul's letters which may have been edited sometime between the second and third centuries.

The historicity of Paul's letters are well confirmed. Even Richard Dawkins, Bart Ehrman and other atheist scholars agree with that. The content we have today are the same things that Paul wrote.

The other disciples of Christ were alive when Paul wrote his epistles. None of them countered it. They accepted it as the "words" of Christ.

LewsTherin:
I don't have to ask him. I read the Bible for myself.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Eph 5:25

Sure you do, but you do know that since Jesus Christ is the one you claim to follower, you should consult Him, and not Paul in all things?

LewsTherin:
The relationship between Christ and His followers is one of Leader-follower, Redeemer-redeemed, Father-Child, vine-branch and so much more all at the same time. We follow and obey His EVERY command not because He holds our leashes in a master-slave relationship like you want to portray it, but because He knows everything and wants the best for us. Every command and instruction He gives is the best possible option. We follow that.

His commands are best possible options? Nah!
Jesus Christ expects all of His followers to obey his every commandment. For you see, Jesus Christ didn't simply speak for the sake of speaking... Oh no! He is in fact the New Covenant that God promised His people. And the only way to partake of the blessings of Christ is to obey Him and live as He did.

LewsTherin:
A husband cannot know every possible option for his wife. But he should want the best for her and his striving for that is what should make the wife willing to follow his lead, to submit to his leadership. He leads. He doesn't rule. She is no slave. And Christ didn't say that, doesn't expect that.

The husband has one ultimate goal, same as his wife, assuming that they are both individually followers of Christ, and that goal is to obey Jesus Christ's every commandment in their individual existence, regardless of their worldly marriage status.

LewsTherin:
If you are willing to know the Christian opinion of the relationship between husband and wife and not just looking for a bone to attack, Ephesians 5 is a good place to start.

You are not called to worship the words of Paul, an apostle of Christ. You are called as a follower of Jesus Christ to Obey Christ's every commandment, in everything you do in your life.

LewsTherin:
The historicity of Paul's letters are well confirmed. Even Richard Dawkins, Bart Ehrman and other atheist scholars agree with that. The content we have today are the same things that Paul wrote.

The other disciples of Christ were alive when Paul wrote his epistles. None of them countered it. They accepted it as the "words" of Christ.

The actual letters that Paul wrote and sent to each of the churches were never found. What was found were copies made by various sects of the original which are likely to have been edited to include additional information.
Don't try to pretend Dawkins and Ehrman have anything to do with this. Mentioning their names in no way legitimizes the falsehood of your assumptions about those letters.

Kobojunkie:

The actual letters that Paul wrote and sent to each of the churches were never found. What was found were copies made by various sects of the original which are likely to have been edited to include additional information.
Don't try to pretend Dawkins and Ehrman have anything to do with this. Mentioning their names in no way legitimizes the falsehood of your assumptions about those letters.

Wrong. The historicity of those letters have been proven. They were written by Paul as we have them today. I mentioned those names so you know that even atheist who have studdied the matter accept it. That's why I use the word "historicity".

Since the bulk of the words and teaching of Jesus were not recorded in the gospels, we have the words and teachings of those who were taught by Him, who accepted His teaching, and who gave what they learnt from Him to the various groups as they needed to learn about those topics. That is what makes the New Testament the new testament.

LewsTherin:
Wrong. The historicity of those letters have been proven. They were written by Paul as we have them today. I mentioned those names so you know that even atheist who have studdied the matter accept it. That's why I use the word "historicity".

Wrong. Many Historians agree on only 7 letters and dispute 4 of them -Ephesians, Timothy(2), and Titus.

Regardless of what Historians do though, would it not profit you more if you focused on Jesus Christ and what He is recorded as saying since Jesus Christ could in fact correct you if you got His word wrong but Paul has no power to do such for you?

Kobojunkie:

Wrong. Many Historians agree on only 7 letters and dispute 4 of them. Ephesians, Timothy, and Titus.

Well, since this is deviating from the OPs original purplse, I'll leave you with it.

LewsTherin:

Totally wrong.
And since this is deviating from the OPs original purplse, I'll leave you with it.

Sure... focus on obeying Jesus Christ's commands and you will get your bearing right as far as Christianity is concerned. Paul's teachings were meant to help back up what Jesus Christ taught, not serve as substitute or an alternative path.

LewsTherin:
Since the bulk of the words and teaching of Jesus were not recorded in the gospels, we have the words and teachings of those who were taught by Him, who accepted His teaching, and who gave what they learnt from Him to the various groups as they needed to learn about those topics. That is what makes the New Testament the new testament.

Here's the thing! Enough of His words were recorded to get you started on living the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ. For you see, obedience is the key to living a life as Jesus Christ lived. You cannot get that by avoiding His words and commandments, never as a follower of Jesus Christ.

Pick up and read Matthew from chapter 5 through to where it is recorded that Jesus said"It is finished", and if you opened your eyes to the message, you would in fact discover He laid out the details of the new Covenant(Jesus Christ is the New Covenant) right there in the gospel of Matthew, to get you on your way to becoming a born again follower of His -- Blessings, Commandments, curses, entry criteria, seal, acceptable celebrations -- all in the New Covenant that is the word of God.
You have to read the gospels to see this truth that has been right in your hands for over 2000 years

Kobojunkie:
Did you also ask TD Jakes where in the Bible Jesus Christ actually set such an expectation for His followers?
Keep deluding yourself!
As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, the relationship between Himself and His followers is a Master-slave relationship meaning He doles out the commandments, you obey them.
Now if you as a man are expected as a follower of Jesus Christ to obey His every commandment and your wife, also a follower is expected to obey Jesus Christ's every commandment, what of that makes you think that Jesus Christ expects your wife to submit to you, an equal slave in the Master-Slave relationship that exists equally between Jesus Christ, your person, and your wife?

I also struggle to understand how you think the relationship between Christ and a Christian is a master-slave relationship and expect the same in a husband-wife relationship.