davidnazee:


It was the same Yoruba that said Queen of Sheba was buried in Ijebu and that Ijebu is the real Jerusalem called Jebu Isalem.
I no fit laught.

Yoruba never did...where is ur source?

TAO11:


Warning!!! The comment below contains academic reference, logic, and common-sense: Brace yourself.

From the same article you attached:

(1) Ryder only said in "records" --- He never said anywhere that there was no connection.

(2) He clarified that there is a well known-connection.
He anticipated cogent objections to his own conclusion that the Ogane's kingdom is "probably" in the Niger-Benue confluence. He wrote:
"Many objections may be raised against such an argument, the most cogent being those which demonstrate the well-known links between Benin and Ife."
Reference:
Ryder, (1965), p.35.

(3) Most importantly, his conclusion that no written record existed follows from the following:

(a) João Afonso d'Aveiros documented in c.1480
about the connection between Benin Kingdom and the Kingdom of the Ogane.

(b) Ryder believed (although probabilistically) that the Kingdom of this Oghene is in the Niger-Benue confluence --- not in Ife.

(c) Hence, he concludes that there was no record of Benin's connection with Ife.

(4) But since it has been demonstrated overwhelmingly by historians (in modern times) that the Ogane of d'Aveiro's c.1480 account, is none other than the Ooni of Ife (see attached); then it becomes clear that Ryders' conclusion of no records of connection is blatantly erroneous.


In conclusion, not only is there evidence of early connection even from the source you've put forward; there is in fact evidence of early record of connection as seen in d'Aveiros' c.1480 account.

Keep trying. Don't give up just yet.

Cheers!

I didn't send you that link to argue who first existed. That description was a written history backed up with a photograph to ascertain the authenticity of his claims.

In Edo artworks are used as an evidence to confirm the truth in the oral history. If the old Benin was to still be intact then you would have gotten your evidence on the claims that Benin is over 2500 years.

Benin original artwork is all over Europe so you can set to really investigate those artworks or better still come to Benin to do your research because in Benin every statue and every area has its own history

If Benin people can identify themselves with something as simple as greetings then why do you think we don't know our origin or the origin of our king?

Don't you think is time you people really know where your oduduwa came from?why don't you divert your attention to that area and leave the Benins alone.

Oba gha tokpere isee

Mraphel:

Where was Oranmiyan palace in Benin? Since u know better than i

Oranmiyan camped at Usama. He didn’t have a palace because he was never a king in Benin.

And FYI Benin city in those days was only the Oredo area. places like Uselu, Usama were not part of the Benin city area, overtime Benin city have expanded to include those areas.

Mraphel:

Yoruba never did...where is ur source?

I have gone through many threads on here were Yoruba claimed Queen of Sheba territory included Ijebu and Ife and she was buried there. And also that Ijebu is the real Jerusalem known as Jebu Isalem.
You guys are a joke lol.

Mraphel:

I guess you're still igodomigodo? The ogiso descendants are there in Benin alive and well, go meet with them for the real historical accounts of Benin

No fucking yoruba gave us benin


Benin was given the name by Portuguese who had mistaken edo people for birni kebbi in ibn bututta account

Not the imaginary ubinu

gregyboy:



No fucking yoruba gave us benin


Benin was given the name by Portuguese who had mistaken edo people for birni kebbi in ibn bututta account

Not the imaginary ubinu

I'm 100% certain you're not a Benin person

Mraphel:

Grandson and Great grandson means the same thing in Yoruba language

But the grandson of Oduduwa was Obalufon (Past Oni of Ife)

It was Obalufon that sent his son Oranmiyan to conquered Igodomigodo to be their king.

that's your own fabricated story.

We the Benins know our history .it was oduduwa himself that sent his son to Benin but his son wasn't able to stand the tension in edo so he left behind a son who later became a king. ( summarised?)
The Benins are not in competition with anyone so please face your oduduwa and leave us alone

Mraphel:

Benin can never conquer Ife kingdom or Oyo kingdom, they only installed king in Yoruba region that doesn't have Kings.

Oba is never igodomigodo title it is a Yoruba title..Ogimien ( Ogiso family will tell u that)

You dont even know ogiemen history so shut it


Ogiemen the last ogiso brother had ruled before the return of eweka, when eweka arrived he didnt give up the stool untill they fought eweka didnt win but ogiemen had to vacate the stool because edo didn't want him but eweka, it was just anoda story of uncle and his niece fighting for royal stool, today his family are twisting story to suit them so that it will look like oba came from ife
And it will be giving them upper hand in the story


Every nation had once changed the title of its ruler at one time in history ogiso title was changed but no his lineage,
Nigeria changed from prime minster to president
Did the nation that bore President around the world come to rule Nigeria before it charged
Yes or no......?


But i want to give you a doubt to prove oba originated from ife

In the meeting of all traditional rulers in nigeria
In 1939 only the benin king bore oba the yoruba kings bore thier title and no yoruba revolted to add oba to theirs


Nigga i will advice stop telling fairytale i use to tell it too but i stoped you can too

The only relationship we should be arguing on is the one with the eastee yorubas lagos, ekiti, ondo oyo and not inaginary ife the distance is too far it will take series of generational migration before ekaladeran children would have taken to migrate to ife

Mraphel:

I'm 100% certain you're not a Benin person

Because am not telling fairytale

Am not sure your ancestors trace thier origin to ife

samuk:


So you now have a list of the rulerS (plural) of Ife Benin call Oghene (God) other than Oduduwa.

Oghene is an Edo word for singular not plural.

And for some reasons it made sense to you that the Benin will refer to a living person as God and not by their names or titles.

In the 10th century the Benin remember a specific Oduduwa in Ife, he was not Oghene then but by late 15th century the Benin forgot the name and title of rulers of Ife and told the Portuguese Oghene.

Or maybe the Benin Just forget to call Oduduwa Oghene(God). But they remember the Yoruba names of other Yoruba gods and Oracle such as Oranmila.

Or the Yoruba hadn't invented a word for God then, so the Benin had no choice but to use the Edo word for God (Oghene)

Same Benin people that have already achieved (the moat) what no human race in history had achieved on planet earth at that time.

You can continue with own version of Benin/Ife history that suits you.

I have other aspects of Benin/Yoruba history I will be exploring thanks to historians like Johnson.

How does one explain information to those with thick skulls??

I was clear when I said "Oduduwa" was the NAME of a ruler of Ife --- A proper noun.

"Oghene" was a word, used by the Edos, to describe any and every ruler of Ife --- A common noun.

I never said Oghene was a plural.

So, who said Oghene was used by the Edos in reference to anyone who rules as kingd over Ife? Some Yorubas? No!

(1)Oba Eweka II admitted it to Ward price.
(2)Oba Erediauwa I admitted it in his The Benin-Ife Connection.
(3)Robin Horton stated it clearly in his Ife: A Reassessment.

No where did you find me as reference among the experts who admitted it. You can keep living in denial if that makes you sleep well.

Your Obas didn't write/say those at gun point from the Yorubas. They were writting/saying their historical truth although without realizing that their latter day Edo subjects will call them stpid.


See below again:

(a) In his "May 2004 The Benin-Ife Comnection", Omo N'Oba Erediauwa II noted emphatically that Oduduwa (who was the Ooni of Ife during his days) was known by the Benin people as Oghene n'Uhe.

Refer to the link below for "Oghene n'Uhe" in Oba Erediauwa II's May 2004 work: https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

(b) Citing different instances of Ife's political influence as exercised through the Ifa cult, Robin Horton alludes to a Benin tradition in his 1979 "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment" as follows:

"Yet another tradition, this time from Benin, tells how the oracle of the Oghene of Uhe ("Oni of Ife" ) forewarned the Oba of Benin of impending calamity a few years before the disastrous encounter with the British."

Reference:
Robin Horton, "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol 9. No. 4 (June 1979), p.124.

samuk:


So the Alaafin once begged the Oba of Benin to send army to come and save him from other Yoruba tribes.

He even said previous Alaafin used to pay tributes to Benin.

I need to get myself these books on history of Yoruba, they sound very interesting.

Cc gregyboy

What difference does seeking alliance make to
any of the point I have made?

Benin sought alliance of even some smaller powers. So what's yoir point?

Yes, and he admitted that Oyo at its height gained military and political ascendancy over other kingdoms --- including Benin kingdom.

In fact not only did he admit it, he was the one who brought it up. And I already knew that to be a historical fact.

So, that became an historical corroboration for the independent accounts of Crowther and Johnson which each states that:

Oyo once forced tributes from Benin.

Another historical fact which corroborates this independent accounts of Crowther and Johnson was that:

At this same period when Oyo was at its height, Benin had be ravaged and grounded by civil war.

In their "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689 -172: Continuity or Political Change", the scholars Paula-Ben Amos Girshick and John Thornton notes:

"Towards the end of the seventeenth century, ... the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war. ..., Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'."

Reference:
Paula-Ben Amos Girshick and John Thornton: "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689 -172: Continuity or Political Change", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), p.353.

So, the independent accounts of Crowther and Johnson to the effect Oyo once forced teibutes from Benin Kingdom can not possibly be imagined without cause as spurious as their js overwhelming corroborating historical events as has just been shown.


This is the exact opposite of apocryphal accounts about the Ooni, collected by Johnson in Oyo, which is widely contradicted all over Yorubaland.

This has nothing to do with Johnson being an unreliable historian (no he hjs not unreliable), but everything to do with this specific account which he merely collected and recorded faithfully from Oyo.

An examination of a solitary and contrary accounts like this is what have draws experts like Professor R.C.C. Law to the conclusion that since such accounts are contradicted widely throughout the diverse Yoruba kingdoms, they are apocryphal, spurious and fabricated.

darfay:


(1) Are you going to pretend that you don't know oghene means supreme God in some edoid languages?

How can a benin ex convict izobuwa be a supreme God?

I know it does mean Supreme God --- and that's the point I'm making. That the Binis themselves (not the Yorubas) use this same word in reference to anyone who rules as king in Ife.

What can I do (than to accept) if Oba Erediauwa, Oba Eweka, and even historians all agree on this point?

(2) There is no such thing as Izoduwa. It doesn't exist. It's a myth. Ask your Benin folks on this same thread, they will update you.

davidnazee:


You are still continuing with this your self deceit lol. Which historical evidence points to Oyo gaining military might over Benin? Only oral accounts said it but even the oral accounts never narrates about any confrontation between Oyo or Benin or describe any scenario where Benin paid tributes to Oyo.
On the other hand there are multiple oral accounts supported by historical evidence that Benin conquered and ruled over Yoruba for hundreds of years.
Details are given of how Benin conquered Yoruba Kingdoms and villages..

You should promote the present achievement of the Yorubas. If you keep engaging yourself in history that never favoured you, you will always be a loser.

I didn't bring up the point about Oyo gaining military and political ascendance over Benin and other kingdoms in the course of history.

SilverSniper brought it up as a historical fact to support a point.

And I accept it as a historical fact because I had since known that.

The odd person out (regarding knowledge of this common information) among the three of us therefore become obvious.

And as I have shown this fact (in conjunction with an earlier one I had cited of how Benin kingdom was groinded by civil war) supports thw independent accounts pf Crowther and Johnson that:

Oyo forced tributes from Benin kingdom.

Sarah20A:

(1) I didn't send you that link to argue who first existed. That description was a written history backed up with a photograph to ascertain the authenticity of his claims.

(2) In Edo artworks are used as an evidence to confirm the truth in the oral history. If the old Benin was to still be intact then you would have gotten your evidence on the claims that Benin is over 2500 years.

(3) Benin original artwork is all over Europe so you can set to really investigate those artworks or better still come to Benin to do your research because in Benin every statue and every area has its own history

(3) If Benin people can identify themselves with something as simple as greetings then why do you think we don't know our origin or the origin of our king?

(4) Don't you think is time you people really know where your oduduwa came from?why don't you divert your attention to that area and leave the Benins alone.

Oba gha tokpere isee

Hello 'hanty'!!! Lol

I think you are replying to someone else under my comment. Let's be guided oo.


Moreover, I am still waiting for you address the points I outlined fir you yesterday in my last comment yesterday.

I am also still waiting for yoir apology whjch you promised.

(4) For God sake this came-from came-from repitition is the most nauseous thing I jave ever heard in recent times.

For the umpteenth time "... All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatis personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found."

Oduduwa was born and raised in Ife. How many times must I repeat this on this thread?

You all search for your Ekaladerhan in Ughoton graves. Gosh!

TAO11:


I didn't bring up the point about Oyo gaining military and political ascendance over Benin and other kingdoms in the course of history.

SilverSniper brought it up as a historical fact to support a point.

And I accept it as a historical fact because I had since known that.

The odd person out (regarding knowledge of this common information) among the three of us therefore become obvious.

And as I have shown this fact (in conjunction with an earlier one I had cited of how Benin kingdom was groinded by civil war) supports thw independent accounts pf Crowther and Johnson that:

Oyo forced tributes from Benin kingdom.

All your claims; Oyo forced tribute from Benin, Benin regarded Ooni as gods, Benin oba prayed to Ooni, all these claims are classified as myths with no evidence to such claims. Myths always end up to be false.,
You know what is not myths and proven to be true??
Benin conquered and ruled Yorubaland for hundreds of years
Benin collected tributes from Oyo and other Yoruba Kingdoms
Benin was the only empire proven to be real and not myth or fantasy like Ife.
Oduduwa was a foreigner who came, conquered and ruled Ife.
Benin was far greater and advanced than Ife.

Those are proven facts and common knowledge

gregyboy:



You dont even know ogiemen history so shut it


Ogiemen the last ogiso brother had ruled before the return of eweka, when eweka arrived he didnt give up the stool untill they fought eweka didnt win but ogiemen had to vacate the stool because edo didn't want him but eweka, it was just anoda story of uncle and his niece fighting for royal stool, today his family are twisting story to suit them so that it will look like oba came from ife
And it will be giving them upper hand in the story


Every nation had once changed the title of its ruler at one time in history ogiso title was changed but no his lineage,
Nigeria changed from prime minster to president
Did the nation that bore President around the world come to rule Nigeria before it charged
Yes or no......?


But i want to give you a doubt to prove oba originated from ife

In the meeting of all traditional rulers in nigeria
In 1939 only the benin king bore oba the yoruba kings bore thier title and no yoruba revolted to add oba to theirs


Nigga i will advice stop telling fairytale i use to tell it too but i stoped you can too

The only relationship we should be arguing on is the one with the eastee yorubas lagos, ekiti, ondo oyo and not inaginary ife the distance is too far it will take series of generational migration before ekaladeran children would have taken to migrate to ife

look at how you carefully removed the Oba Oranmiyan from you story.
Without Oranmiyan there wont be Eweka. Oba Oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin check the list from 1 to 40.

davidnazee:


[s]All your claims; Oyo forced tribute from Benin, Benin regarded Ooni as gods, Benin oba prayed to Ooni, all these claims are classified as myths with no evidence to such claims. Myths always end up to be false.,
You know what is not myths and proven to be true??Benin conquered and ruled Yorubaland for hundreds of years
Benin collected tributes from Oyo and other Yoruba Kingdoms
Benin was the only empire proven to be real and not myth or fantasy like Ife.
Oduduwa was a foreigner who came, conquered and ruled Ife. Benin was far greater and advanced than Ife.
Those are proven facts and common knowledge[/s]

If have some atom of brain left in your empty thick skull, then you would have realized that adducing references for every of my argument means that those are not merely my claims.



Ask yourself the following question in a honest way:

Why can't I, davidnazee, provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back up all the imaginations in my head about our gReAt bEnIn kInGdOm?? Am I, davidnazee that daft??

TAO11:


Hello 'hanty'!!! Lol

I think you are replying to someone else under my comment. Let's be guided oo.


Moreover, I am still waiting for you address the points I outlined fir you yesterday in my last comment yesterday.

I am also still waiting for yoir apology whjch you promised.

(4) For God sake this came-from came-from repitition is the most nauseous thing I jave ever heard in recent times.

For the umpteenth time "... All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatis personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found."

Oduduwa was born and raised in Ife. How many times must I repeat this on this thread?

You all search for your Ekaladerhan in Ughoton graves. Gosh!

Godbless.

All Obas came from Ife and all ogiso came from Edo. The time when Akure ruler was disposed as king, he wasn't replaced with an Oba but Ogiso..before another Oba took his throne

Mraphel:

look at how you carefully removed the Oba Oranmiyan from you story.
Without Oranmiyan there wont be Eweka. Oba Oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin check the list from 1 to 40.

Don't take that boy serious oo.

I am telling you the fact. I have caused a serious damage to hos brain without physically touching him.

#PowerOfHistoricalFacts

TAO11:


If have some atom of brain left in your empty thick skull, then you would have realized that adducing references for every of my argument means that those are not merely my claims.



Ask yourself the following question in a honest way:

Why can't I, davidnazee, provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back up all the imaginations in my head about our gReAt bEnIn kInGdOm?? Am I, davidnazee that daft??

Mugu why should I give you evidence that Benin Kingdom was great when you were already taught in secondary school that Benin was great and ruled over Yorubaland? Were you that much of a failure in school?
Your foolishness knows no bound.

Mraphel:

Godbless.

All Obas came from Ife and all ogiso came from Edo. The time when Akure ruler was disposed as king, he wasn't replaced with an Oba but Ogiso..before another Oba took his throne

The Akure ruler that was deposed and beheaded by Benin wasn’t an oba. He was a deji.. Yoruba was not using the title of oba at that time.

Benin also beheaded many Ewis and rulers in Yorubaland.

Mraphel:

look at how you carefully removed the Oba Oranmiyan from you story.
Without Oranmiyan there wont be Eweka. Oba Oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin check the list from 1 to 40.

Guy stop quoting with this nonsense


I told you on how to defend your claims on benin ife relationship... Dont come hete to give me mytg and tell me you are defending your claims

The Portuguese had asked benin in 1500 the origin of thier dynatsy they didn't mention ife or oromiyan or if ife was a big part of benin history it would have been the first thing the Portuguese would have noticed even without the benin telkinf them


Am even beginning to believe both party are lieing fhat ekaladeran and oduduwa never existed i am currently doing my research

You should be doing yours instead of quoting erronous works feom people


Guy dont quote me with such works again it will never raise an inch from my eyebrow bring fact and not scrap

This is the problem with nigeria students they fear to do research and relearn am questioning the authenticity of this story from both angle you are loading me with more bs

Or shutup

TAO11:


Hello 'hanty'!!! Lol

I think you are replying to someone else under my comment. Let's be guided oo.


Moreover, I am still waiting for you address the points I outlined fir you yesterday in my last comment yesterday.

I am also still waiting for yoir apology whjch you promised.

(4) For God sake this came-from came-from repitition is the most nauseous thing I jave ever heard in recent times.

For the umpteenth time "... All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatis personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found."

[b]Oduduwa was born and raised in Ife. How many times must I repeat this on this thread?
[/b]s

You all search for your Ekaladerhan in Ughoton graves. Gosh!

They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

OgboAto:


They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

So Oyo and Ife doesn't even agree on Oduduwa origin.

samuk:


So Oyo and Ife doesn't even agree on Oduduwa origin.

Because like your king & you, they also want to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

OgboAto:


Because like your king & you, they also want to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

You may be right, that's why we are now re-examining the whole story because it doesn't sound right and doesn't add up.

Unlike some Yoruba people here, we are ready to research and find the truth no matter where it leads.

The current history of Benin/Ife and Yoruba smells of politics and supremacy tussles.

That to us is not history. People deserve to know their history rather than fabrications and playing politics with it.

I smell conspiracy between Benin and Oyo monarchy against Ife.

All they need to say is Ooni is a descendant of a shrine keeper as recorded by the great Yoruba historian Johnson.

Oba of Benin becomes the most acknowledged senior son of Oranmiyan and Alaafin his junior brother. Or Ooni and Alaafin continue to fight themselves whilst Benin stays senior.

The way it stands, Oyo, Ife and Benin don't agree on who Oduduwa was. They all have their own versions which makes the own history ridiculous.

Some say Oduduwa is

1. Benin banished prince
2. He was from Mecca
3. Climbed down from sky with chains
4. Son of Ham that was driven out of Saudi Arabia

We can all come together to find the truth rather than see it as fight between Benin and Yoruba.

We believe the Benin/Ife connection as it currently stands is a fabrication.

samuk:


You may be right, that's why we are now re-examining the whole story because it doesn't sound right and doesn't add up.

Unlike some Yoruba people here, we are ready to research and find the truth no matter where it leads.

The current history of Benin/Ife and Yoruba smells of politics and supremacy tussles.

That to us is not history. People deserve to know their history rather than fabrications and playing politics with it.

I smell conspiracy between Benin and Oyo monarchy against Ife.

All they need to say is Ooni is a descendant of a shrine keeper as recorded by the great Yoruba historian Johnson.

Oba of Benin becomes the most acknowledged senior son of Oranmiyan and Alaafin his junior brother. Or Ooni and Alaafin continue to fight themselves whilst Benin stays senior.

The way it stands, Oyo, Ife and Benin don't agree on who Oduduwa was. They all have their own versions which makes the own history ridiculous.

Some say Oduduwa is

1. Benin banished prince
2. He was from Mecca
3. Climbed down from sky with chains
4. Son of Ham that was driven out of Saudi Arabia

We can all come together to find the truth rather than see it as fight between Benin and Yoruba.

We believe the Benin/Ife connection as it currently stands is a fabrication.

The truth you still believe this crap

Go and do your research because what you're actually doing is what our so called benin mornachs did by playing history with politics

For the benin monarch to have a sense of belonging in the old western region they adopted the yoruba mythology of Oduduwa into a ekaladeran story


And you're also doing thesame shame on you

Shame on the benin monarch they were all possed by minority syndrome

Oduduwa myth was only meant for the yorubas, benins entered the myth thinking they will play a smart game and tell the story thier way to become senioe but fortunately they were relegated to even third


And you're doing thesame

gregyboy:



The truth you still believe this crap

Go and do your research because what you're actually doing is what our so called benin mornachs did by playing history with politics

For the benin monarch to have a sense of belonging in the old western region they adopted the yoruba mythology of Oduduwa into a ekaladeran story


And you're also doing thesame shame on you

Shame on the benin monarch they were all possed by minority syndrome

Oduduwa myth was only meant for the yorubas, benins entered the myth thinking they will play a smart game and tell the story thier way to become senioe but fortunately they were relegated to even third


And you're doing thesame

Not at all, did you read the guys initial submission, he is saying the same thing as the Benin that Benin/Ife history is fake. Did you not see where he said the Benin are trying to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

I am just adding my support to his voice.

Did you not see where I repeated it to be fake in my reply to him.

The guy is not happy with the fabrication himself

Please, when you read next time, be more careful to understand what is being said.

OgboAto:


They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

Another myth without evidence.
And your story just destroyed the belief that Oduduwa was the father of Yoruba race or reformer of Ife.

deqidacoe:


I have gone through many threads on here were Yoruba claimed . . .. . . . .
You guys are a joke lol.

Your claims are easily debunked by any sane and rational person, so I guess your actual emphasis is on (certain) buzz words.

samuk:


Not at all, did you read the guys initial submission, he is saying the same thing as the Benin that Benin/Ife history is fake. Did you not see where he said the Benin are trying to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

I am just adding my support to his voice.

Did you not see where I repeated it to be fake in my reply to him.

The guy is not happy with the fabrication himself

Please, when you read next time, be more careful to understand what is being said.

Is he yoruba


I guess people can see this Oduduwa myth was a political story set up by former wester regional kings, you mentioned account were yoy said akenzua went to visit ooni in thier discussion ooni took it personally

I just Ryder articles were he explained he visited and interviewed the benin monarchy in the early 1900 and even the people in benin that kept oba record couldn't explain Oduduwa story the other plalace chiefs including the oba of benin were giving numerous account, the problem was not even egharevba at all because he seeked the benin monarchy before he wrote


Here are the possibilities

Ekaladeran- ughoton story might be a myth too
Benin-ife never happened
Oghene was a priest from d middle belt
Oba is indigenous to benin
Benin was given by Portuguese
Both yoruba and benin exchanged gods so no one can lay claim to its originality



Sorry i responded that way to your mention mhen
Am just angry hearing any inch of the political myth

samuk:


You may be right, that's why we are now re-examining the whole story because it doesn't sound right and doesn't add up.

Unlike some Yoruba people here, we are ready to research and find the truth no matter where it leads.

The current history of Benin/Ife and Yoruba smells of politics and supremacy tussles.

That to us is not history. People deserve to know their history rather than fabrications and playing politics with it.

I smell conspiracy between Benin and Oyo monarchy against Ife.

All they need to say is Ooni is a descendant of a shrine keeper as recorded by the great Yoruba historian Johnson.

Oba of Benin becomes the most acknowledged senior son of Oranmiyan and Alaafin his junior brother. Or Ooni and Alaafin continue to fight themselves whilst Benin stays senior.

The way it stands, Oyo, Ife and Benin don't agree on who Oduduwa was. They all have their own versions which makes the own history ridiculous.

Some say Oduduwa is

1. Benin banished prince
2. He was from Mecca
3. Climbed down from sky with chains
4. Son of Ham that was driven out of Saudi Arabia

We can all come together to find the truth rather than see it as fight between Benin and Yoruba.

We believe the Benin/Ife connection as it currently stands is a fabrication.

Am sorry i misread you i really am

Mhen politics is deep even in tradition

Nawa ooh see people who were arguing ife&benin connections a while ago are now telling the real story


A thread should be created to adress this political myth on nairaland abeg


Hmm nawa ooh

This was just for the tussle for chairmen of traditional rulers in the former western region, oba akenzua played politics on edo history

ghostwon

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