Empiree:
Bcus there is nothing to reply to. Apart from the fact that it is long which i didnt mind, I read everthing but I realized it is repetetion of what we already discussed for the most part. For instance "Jesus is Lord and Savior". You were unable to prove it when we discussed it. So why waste my precious time?

Stop it. Stop it already

When and where did you and I discuss "Jesus is Lord and Savior" and it ended up unable proved? Hmm? You and that your blind guide, the vain braggart Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem. are cut from the same cloth

"Sọrọ now". Tell where Show when. Paste the evidence. The proof. The link. You cant talk "Ẹnu ẹ, wọ iho ni?' Cat got your tongue?

"Jẹka tun dalẹ, ka tun sa nah. Bosi gbangba, ti o ba ara ẹ, loju. Ma fi ori ẹ ati ori oga ẹ alfa Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem gbalu ara wọn"

MuttleyLaff:
Stop it. Stop it already

When and where did you and I discuss "Jesus is Lord and Savior" and it ended up unable proved? Hmm? You and that your blind guide, the vain braggart Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem. are cut from the same cloth

"Sọrọ now". Tell where Show when. Paste the evidence. The proof. The link. You cant talk "Ẹnu ẹ, wọ iho ni?' Cat got your tongue?

"Jẹka tun dalẹ, ka tun sa nah. Bosi gbangba, ti o ba ara ẹ, loju. Ma fi ori ẹ ati ori oga ẹ alfa Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem gbalu ara wọn"

This is what i hate the most about you. You have very short memory. We had this discussion shortly before you joined this thread. Check your post history. I cant figure out which thread exactly. Check thread where we discussed Adam and Eve and their children who relocated to barren land

Empiree:
This is what i hate the most about you. You have very short memory. We had this discussion shortly before you joined this thread. Check your post history. I cant figure out which thread exactly. Check thread where we discussed Adam and Eve and their children who relocated to barren land

Tori. Tori. Tori. Lies, lies, lies. Irọ irọ irọ

C'mon. Bring it on nah. Respond to the post there above. "Wọn bi ẹ, jewe ẹ, oo to bẹ, nitoripe, iwọ na mọ pe, ẹtẹ lo ma gbẹhin fun ẹ, lol" loosely translated means "You dare not confront me because you know it is going to be shame, disgrace and bruised ego at the end of it all for you." Look at you already wetting your pants and having a brown stain moment, ojo.

LadunaI:

You better leave those dunce alone lol �

It is interesting to challenge them sometimes. I have heard a lot of what they did to muslims in nigeria especially yorubaland. It is crazy how they deceived ignorant muslims to christianity. Look at churches in nigeria. Where did they get such a huge crowd?. Majority of the audience are muslims or from muslim homes. They were lured by christians through deceptions. They have all the tricks in the book. But muslims are just quiet and never engaged them. But alhamdulillah today there are muslims standing up. Many ignorant muslims were carjoled by "we worship same God but difference ways". This is what christians used to lure them. And some alfas say the same too. Thats why some of the alfa dont like challenging them. They tell us "na you create hellfire?....leave them alone". This is why some of the alfa in London especially have christian wives. They go to As-salatu on sunday while their wives go to church on sunday. They present christianity as alternative to Islam. That's, if Islam is hard for you join christianity too.

This aside, their manifesto is disgusting. I mean christians. Specifically CAN headed by Adeboye, Oyedepo. These crooks have supreme hatred for islam while teaching their subjects how peaceful christianity is. So we studied Bible and realized so much holes in there. It is imperative to expose them. This is how some muslims are liberating christians now. Thanks to Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and host of others.

If they dont challenge them these christians will disrupt muslim groups with thier cunning behaviors, whether you are alhsunna or sufi, doesnt matter. They have been doing this for long while we are asleep. They sent christians to ile keu to study arabic and islam. They dont mind spending 10yrs in our midst. They later come out to tell us they were ex-muslims. They speak arabic and recite Quran fluently. But they are not muslim. This is what many of them do to convince ignorant muslims and christians. They have been investigated and exposed. Some investigations are still ongoing. I follow these things very closely. Yoruba usually do this nonsense.


Anyways, bro, there is mass grave in New York. Me just dey do hide and seek at work. I go frontline for few hours and back off when the hit is on. It is crazy. Not less than 700 deaths per day for New York alone. They are flattening the curve now. So hopefully we get over this covid thing. but igberaga won ti po ju. They need to be humble for a second.

Empiree:
It is interesting to challenge them sometimes. I have heard a lot of what they did to muslims in nigeria especially yorubaland. It is crazy how they deceived ignorant muslims to christianity. Look at churches in nigeria. Where did they get such a huge crowd?. Majority of the audience are muslims or from muslim homes. They were lured by christians through deceptions. They have all the tricks in the book. But muslims are just quiet and never engaged them. But alhamdulillah today there are muslims standing up. Many ignorant muslims were carjoled by "we worship same God but difference ways". This is what christians used to lure them. And some alfas say the same too. Thats why some of the alfa dont like challenging them. They tell us "na you create hellfire?....leave them alone". This is why some of the alfa in London especially have christian wives. They go to As-salatu on sunday while their wives go to church on sunday. They present christianity as alternative to Islam. That's, if Islam is hard for you join christianity too.

This aside, their manifesto is disgusting. I mean christians. Specifically CAN headed by Adeboye, Oyedepo. These crooks have supreme hatred for islam while teaching their subjects how peaceful christianity is. So we studied Bible and realized so much holes in there. It is imperative to expose them. This is how some muslims are liberating christians now. Thanks to Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and host of others.

If they dont challenge them these christians will disrupt muslim groups with thier cunning behaviors, whether you are alhsunna or sufi, doesnt matter. They have been doing this for long while we are asleep. They sent christians to ile keu to study arabic and islam. They dont mind spending 10yrs in our midst. They later come out to tell us they were ex-muslims. They speak arabic and recite Quran fluently. But they are not muslim. This is what many of them do to convince ignorant muslims and christians. They have been investigated and exposed. Some investigations are still ongoing. I follow these things very closely. Yoruba usually do this nonsense.


Anyways, bro, there is mass grave in New York. Me just dey do hide and seek at work. I go frontline for few hours and back off when the hit is on. It is crazy. Not less than 700 deaths per day for New York alone. They are flattening the curve now. So hopefully we get over this covid thing. but igberaga won ti po ju. They need to be humble for a second.

The three Musketeers blind guides Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem leading a blind host of our beloved dear Muslim brothers and sisters astray. Smh. O ma se ooo.

Anyway, soja go, soja come. Barracks still remain. Na so Abuzola too was here doing fee-fi-foo-fum gra-gra upandan like as if someone stole his biscuit. Where he now?

Everything changes, except change itself, lol. Turn by turn. This is life Empiree. Life is about turn by turn. GOD help you and have mercy on your soul, if Jesus is not in the equation of your Life, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
The three Musketeers blind guides Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem leading a blind host of our beloved dear Muslim brothers and sisters. Smh. O ma se ooo.

Anyway, soja go, soja come. Barracks still remain. Na so Abuzola too was here doing fee-fi-foo-fum gra-gra upandan like as if someone stole his biscuit. Where he now?

Everything changes, except change itself, lol. Turn by turn. This is life Empiree. Life is about turn by turn. GOD help you and have mercy on your soul, if Jesus is not in the equation of your Life, lol.

Gbam! Gbam!

MuttleyLaff:
The three Musketeers blind guides Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and Ridwanullah Abolore Ibraheem leading a blind host of our beloved dear Muslim brothers and sisters astray. Smh. O ma se ooo.

Anyway, soja go, soja come. Barracks still remain. Na so Abuzola too was here doing fee-fi-foo-fum gra-gra upandan like as if someone stole his biscuit. Where he now?

Everything changes, except change itself, lol. Turn by turn. This is life Empiree. Life is about turn by turn. GOD help you and have mercy on your soul, if Jesus is not in the equation of your Life, lol.

So, bcus Abuzola is not around anymore means anything?. There are bunch of NL members regardless of religion that are no longer active. I know several christians like that , too.

Empiree:
So, bcus Abuzola is not around anymore means anything?. There are bunch of NL members regardless of religion that are no longer active. I know several christians like that, too.

Nahin nah. You too go soon vamoose.
"Alakisa, o njo loru, ko mọpe, ilẹ maa mọ lola" lol

Empiree:
I have no idea what you are talking about.. who's Geeman23 and which thread?. I don't keep memory of unusual moniker. And I surely don't spend my entire life on NL. So you might need to post his link.

Here it is:

Geeman23:
Be logical and use words like a gentle man. It is wrong to emphatically call someone liar and even so in the abusive manner you have typed. The Islam I was raised in didn't teach us to disrespectful to people.

I will engage you further if you leave that mental zone of "pull him down without looking at the substance of claim" which a lot of zealous youth use to defend religion blindly.

change your modus. Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post.

This is how you engage. be civil.

I have highlighted in red his position: not for any argument. He has given you the ropes with which to hang him if you consider his experience as untrue. One of my pastors had about the same experience too. His name: Rev Amos Ibitoye Muftau Raheem. Such experiences are not uncommon as you want to believe.

So, I present to you brother Geeman23.

Asàlam aleikum

shadeyinka:
Here it is:

I have highlighted in red his position: not for any argument. He has given you the ropes with which to hang him if you consider his experience as untrue. One of my pastors had about the same experience too. His name: Rev Amos Ibitoye Muftau Raheem. Such experiences are not uncommon as you want to believe.

So, I present to you brother Geeman23.

Asàlam aleikum

Empiree:
Oh this, that one doesnt know whats up. Besides, he didnt reply my post. So I won't be bothered. I only talk nice with reasonable christians. He didnt identify which religion he practices. I need that answer first. Also, did he not see how kiriyo interact?. I don't need his advice.

Empiree:
I know his type. That isnt new. I forgot he said he was muslim. If them born him well he can challenge me here but he disappeared. We know his type.

There is no need for this. I already have brought this to Empiree's fyi and he already responded that he isnt interested in engaging Geeman23

PS: ... but I think he is confused, I am not surprised he is confused anyway shadeyinka. Its ore why his theology is upside down, lol. Any way, one minute he isnt interested, then next in his next remark he is saying and boasting:
"If them born him well he can challenge me here but he disappeared. We know his type"

This Jesus in the Churches could just end it all by speaking to everyone instead of speaking to some and expecting others to believe it!

The only thing each ATHEISTS has been arguing is just to hear/see/touch the Jesus of this Churches on his own.

There is no need for all this hide and seek, if this Jesus could speak with the Imam i don't see why he/she/it/they can't speak to the rest of the people to believe just like the Imam.
Period!

MuttleyLaff:
There is no need for this. I already have brought this to Empiree's fyi and he already responded that he isnt interested in engaging Geeman23

It's usual for them (Muslims) to experience fear when truth and reality are brought together for them. They feel it's better to hide under increased piety and good works incase their iman fails them (thinking perhaps God will be merciful) and overlook their error.

It's much easier hiding their insecurities under loads of illogical arguments and shouting sprees than facing what they suspect could be a judging truth.

Empiree:
The ones I answered no reach you?

Imagine silly question. "God pray to Muhammad". Even christian evangelists dont use that argument against us. So why do you think i should waste my time?. Translation is so clear. If you can not understand simple english i can not help you, bro.

Also the lady asked "why I put 'God' in parenthesis if Allah is God"?. You think I should waste my time on this nonsense?.

the question is simple.. who is Allah praying to.?? I saw this question in a Muslim and Christian.. the Muslim guy (Muhammad hijab) was just dumbfounded and couldn't answer the question.. maybe you can, pls tell me who is Allah praying to.... I'd really like to know..

Maximus69:
This Jesus in the Churches could just end it all by speaking to everyone instead of speaking to some and expecting others to believe it!

The only thing each ATHEISTS has been arguing is just to hear/see/touch the Jesus of this Churches on his own.

There is no need for all this hide and seek, if this Jesus could speak with the Imam i don't see why he/she/it/they can't speak to the rest of the people to believe just like the Imam.
Period!

I'm sure you know the bible more than the bolded.

Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus and this led to his conversion. But that isn't the usual way a non believer is won by Christ.

shadeyinka:

I'm sure you know the bible more than the bolded.

Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus and this led to his conversion. But that isn't the usual way a non believer is won by Christ.

Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus and just like that the Christians believed it shey?

My friend, Jesus appointed Paul because he needed a preacher and teacher who is vast in knowledge and also a multilingual, to stand and declare him before the nations!

There are thousands of Muslims out there claiming they're now born again already with nothing to show for it other than credulity.

The real Jesus has a reason for whatever he does but now he has declared in the Bible book of Revelations saying

"let each person hold to what they're able to grasp as their conscience is bearing witness to or against them"! Revelation 22:11-12

Any Jesus playing pranks now instead of following the laid down arrangement of preaching and teaching to win souls is a demon! 2Corinthians 11:14

What the Bible says is go out there for preaching and teaching to win souls(Matthew 28:19-20} so any other thing is an accursed evil spirit! Galatians 1:8

Maximus69:


Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus and just like that the Christians believed it shey?

My friend, Jesus appointed Paul because he needed a preacher and teacher who is vast in knowledge and also a multilingual, to stand and declare him before the nations!

There are thousands of Muslims out there claiming they're now born again already with nothing to show for it other than credulity.

The real Jesus has a reason for whatever he does but now he has declared in the Bible book of Revelations saying

"let each person hold to what they're able to grasp as their conscience is bearing witness to or against them"! Revelation 22:11-12

Any Jesus playing pranks now instead of following the laid down arrangement of preaching and teaching to win souls is a demon! 2Corinthians 11:14

What the Bible says is go out there for preaching and teaching to win souls(Matthew 28:19-20} so any other thing is an accursed evil spirit! Galatians 1:8

There is no need for argument. I can only tell you that Jesus still personally visit some Muslims and unbelievers. One of my pastors had the same experience as a Muslim during the month of Ramadan (Rev Amos Ibitoye Muftau Raheem). You don't have to take my claim for anything. No need for argument

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever!

shadeyinka:

Here it is:


I have highlighted in red his position: not for any argument. He has given you the ropes with which to hang him if you consider his experience as untrue. One of my pastors had about the same experience too. His name: Rev Amos Ibitoye Muftau Raheem. Such experiences are not uncommon as you want to believe.

So, I present to you brother Geeman23.

Asàlam aleikum

He said "Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post."

See that, thats emotion. Religion is not based on emotion but fact and evidence. What he wants debate his story and i am not interested in that. I am only interested in his islamic knowledge.

Psalmy2cute:

the question is simple.. who is Allah praying to.?? I saw this question in a Muslim and Christian.. the Muslim guy (Muhammad hijab) was just dumbfounded and couldn't answer the question.. maybe you can, pls tell me who is Allah praying to.... I'd really like to know..

Surah 1. Al Fathia
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Mohammed normally say this at the opening of a Sura to legitimise the preceding saying to be direct words of Allah

2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;

3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;

4. Master of the Day of Judgment.

If the word "SAY"("QUL"has preceded these verses, Allah would certainly be the one speaking.

There are two people who could be speaking here (certainly not Allah). One is Jubril and the other is Mohammed.



5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Thee, Thine are expression for a third party Allah!
Allah couldn't have been praying to himself. Allah shouldn't need the help of Allah except the author of Al Fathia and the Qur'an is impassonating Allah.

6. Show us the straight way

7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
It is certain that Allah cannot be lost and he cannot miss his way.
"Thy", "Thou" is certainly said by someone other than Allah.


Any other argument apart from this is LIES! The argument that Allah is TEACHING Muslims how to pray is completely unfounded

Empiree:
He said "Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post."

See that, thats emotion. Religion is not based on emotion but fact and evidence. What he wants debate his story and i am not interested in that. I am only interested in his islamic knowledge.

Don't forget that your claim is that the Christian body "sponsors" these conversion stories and that they are LIES.
Geeman23 has volunteered to present his conversion experience for you as a case study. Why are you afraid!

No!
It isn't emotion speaking. It is certainty. You will see that he hasn't argued with you on this. This is because he doesn't want an argument.

Asking and Answering questions isn't argument!
"Interview me" is no argument!
"Verify my claims" is no argument!

In all the above, he gave you the leverage of dictating the mode, tempo, depth...of your discussion. What are you afraid of? Debunk my lies is what he is saying

You are afraid of meeting Christ through his testimony! But don't, because the truth sets free

shadeyinka:

Don't forget that your claim is that the Christian body "sponsors" these conversion stories and that they are LIES.
Geeman23 has volunteered to present his conversion experience for you as a case study. Why are you afraid!

No!
It isn't emotion speaking. It is certainty. You will see that he hasn't argued with you on this. This is because he doesn't want an argument.

Asking and Answering questions isn't argument!
"Interview me" is no argument!
"Verify my claims" is no argument!

In all the above, he gave you the leverage of dictating the mode, tempo, depth...of your discussion. What are you afraid of? Debunk my lies is what he is saying

You are afraid of meeting Christ through his testimony! But don't, because the truth sets free

Dont you get it?. I am not interested in story. That's his person problem. And I am not interested in asking why, what and how. And I didnt say all of them. I personally know a guy from childhood who is now christian and I haven't fully engaged him yet. All he told me was that he converted in 2017 through his wife who is a christian which confirms what Christian manifesto says. This is the kind of thing you will hear them say the most. They neither marry christian and pressure from that quarter makes them convert or monetary benefit. Go and read their manifesto. This is confirmed.

But those who claim to be "ex-muslims" or "former Imams" are usually undercover agents if you would permit me to use that phrase. Those ones are on a mission and those ones would deny Allah is God. But ignorant muslims who convert to christianity would not deny Allah being God for the most part. Most of them would tell you "we worship the same God but different ways" They would not deny existence if Allah. Similarly we have bunch of christian converts to Islam. So I am not saying there are no converts here and there. But these one that usually come out to give "testimonies" are stooges. Thats my focus. I am not interested in this guy's story. If he wants to say anything at all, I want to hear about his islamic knowledge if indeed he was muslim and I will allow him to say it all. That's how I will figure out whether he was nominal muslims or not.

Ete kete kiriyo po gaaan ni.

Empiree:
It is interesting to challenge them sometimes. I have heard a lot of what they did to muslims in nigeria especially yorubaland. It is crazy how they deceived ignorant muslims to christianity. Look at churches in nigeria. Where did they get such a huge crowd?. Majority of the audience are muslims or from muslim homes. They were lured by christians through deceptions. They have all the tricks in the book. But muslims are just quiet and never engaged them. But alhamdulillah today there are muslims standing up. Many ignorant muslims were carjoled by "we worship same God but difference ways". This is what christians used to lure them. And some alfas say the same too. Thats why some of the alfa dont like challenging them. They tell us "na you create hellfire?....leave them alone". This is why some of the alfa in London especially have christian wives. They go to As-salatu on sunday while their wives go to church on sunday. They present christianity as alternative to Islam. That's, if Islam is hard for you join christianity too.

This aside, their manifesto is disgusting. I mean christians. Specifically CAN headed by Adeboye, Oyedepo. These crooks have supreme hatred for islam while teaching their subjects how peaceful christianity is. So we studied Bible and realized so much holes in there. It is imperative to expose them. This is how some muslims are liberating christians now. Thanks to Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and host of others.

If they dont challenge them these christians will disrupt muslim groups with thier cunning behaviors, whether you are alhsunna or sufi, doesnt matter. They have been doing this for long while we are asleep. They sent christians to ile keu to study arabic and islam. They dont mind spending 10yrs in our midst. They later come out to tell us they were ex-muslims. They speak arabic and recite Quran fluently. But they are not muslim. This is what many of them do to convince ignorant muslims and christians. They have been investigated and exposed. Some investigations are still ongoing. I follow these things very closely. Yoruba usually do this nonsense.


Anyways, bro, there is mass grave in New York. Me just dey do hide and seek at work. I go frontline for few hours and back off when the hit is on. It is crazy. Not less than 700 deaths per day for New York alone. They are flattening the curve now. So hopefully we get over this covid thing. but igberaga won ti po ju. They need to be humble for a second.

#Yeah quite true, they can only misled IGNORANT Muslims. How can somebody who know what he is worshipping In Islam gives hoot to their silly brainwashed doctrine.

I was a student of comparative religion back in the day at University. I was literally shocked when visiting a friend at Unilorin main campus when one is engaging us in religious discuss inside the cab. I engaged this guy front and back and making him shut up. Thanks I was at home then for a semester break. So I always engaged them blue black, infact I do allow those Jehovah's witnesses into my home at time and allow them to preach their of regurgitated theory before exposing their flaws.

I always engaging one back then whenever he comes around to talk to me and my brother during college. and seeing my brother vulnerability and gullibility due to lack of knowledge, he had to tell me that he will like to always speak to us separately, because he knew me around he can't brainwash my brother in my presence.

# The report coming out from NYC is very very scary. I read/saw about mass burial at one Island forgotten the name for unclaimed corpses. My heart sanks and pray to God to forgive us and heal the land. Pls be carefully, you guys at frontline are most vulnerable now. May Allah always protect you all.

As we had confirmed two Covid-19 patient here in the state , the governor had announced a totally lockdown in the state. Infact going to work today (media house) Na wahala even with one ID and organisation vehicle . I pray for God's PROTECTION for US all amin.

Lol � @ hide and seek. It's well!

shadeyinka:

There is no need for argument. I can only tell you that Jesus still personally visit some Muslims and unbelievers. One of my pastors had the same experience as a Muslim during the month of Ramadan (Rev Amos Ibitoye Muftau Raheem). You don't have to take my claim for anything. No need for argument

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever!

You mean one of the smart Yahoo plus big boys collecting tithes from gullible morOns shey? Of course some Jesus must have spoken to him after all he's now collecting cool cash from you guys to solve his own personal problems!


Never mind my guy, i've shown you what the Bible said, i never intended chatting with you after our discussion, so keep depending on the demons speaking with you and your cohorts, i'll rely on God's word!

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"Ika o dọgba" means, fingers arent same in length/size

"... So if you want to criticize ..., come small small
Cos you no holy pass, my brother
U no holy pass, my sister ..."
- 2Face TuBaba "U No Holy Pass" from the Album Face 2 Face

Maximus69:


You mean one of the smart Yahoo plus big boys collecting tithes from gullible morOns shey? Of course some Jesus must have spoken to him after all he's now collecting cool cash from you guys to solve his own personal problems!


Never mind my guy, i've shown you what the Bible said, i never intended chatting with you after our discussion, so keep depending on the demons speaking with you and your cohorts, i'll rely on God's word!

Your massive and untamed ignorance is so eminently exhibited in your error of comprehension: that all Pastors own churches or are in control of church offerings and tithes. If that's the case, then Robert Ciranko and his board members are in the same clique: the only difference is the absent title: and who title help when money is concerned!

Jesus has something to say about those who knowingly attribute the work and power of God to satan

Mat 12:31:
"Therefore I say to you, All kinds of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men, but the blasphemy [against] the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to men."

Empiree:
Dont you get it?. I am not interested in story. That's his person problem. And I am not interested in asking why, what and how. And I didnt say all of them. I personally know a guy from childhood who is now christian and I haven't fully engaged him yet. All he told me was that he converted in 2017 through his wife who is a christian which confirms what Christian manifesto says. This is the kind of thing you will hear them say the most. They neither marry christian and pressure from that quarter makes them convert or monetary benefit. Go and read their manifesto. This is confirmed.

But those who claim to be "ex-muslims" or "former Imams" are usually undercover agents if you would permit me to use that phrase. Those ones are on a mission and those ones would deny Allah is God. But ignorant muslims who convert to christianity would not deny Allah being God for the most part. Most of them would tell you "we worship the same God but different ways" They would not deny existence if Allah. Similarly we have bunch of christian converts to Islam. So I am not saying there are no converts here and there. But these one that usually come out to give "testimonies" are stooges. Thats my focus. I am not interested in this guy's story. If he wants to say anything at all, I want to hear about his islamic knowledge if indeed he was muslim and I will allow him to say it all. That's how I will figure out whether he was nominal muslims or not.

Ete kete kiriyo po gaaan ni.

Ète k'éte kún inú ayé!

But i just want you to know that there are spirits appearing to people, possessing them as well as speaking through them!

The spirit of God will not speak to anyone to tell anyone anything now!

You will know the truth (when you come in contact with it) and the truth will set you free! John 8:32

So
©How will you know the truth?
©Could it just be without vivid changes?
©Will some spirits appear to some?
©Will it just be through studying books?
© Could it be by forcing others with guns?

NO!

It's by noticing the changes in the lives of those who have accepted the truth. Matthew 7:16-18

There are thousands of religions on this planet, each adherent is pointing to the religion handed to him by his parents but just only one group is making the changes in people around you today!

The Prince of ~
Peace(English)
Salem(Hebrew)
Salam(Arabic) is making people to drop weapons and embrace PEACE globally today! Isaiah 2:2-4

That is the one and only sign God intend to give us all, failure to acknowledge this simply means you're not a friend of PEACE. So the greeting "Salam aleikum" "Peace into the house holder" means nothing to God if you're not interested in his Peace making group!

Empiree:
Dont you get it?. I am not interested in story. That's his person problem. And I am not interested in asking why, what and how. And I didnt say all of them. I personally know a guy from childhood who is now christian and I haven't fully engaged him yet. All he told me was that he converted in 2017 through his wife who is a christian which confirms what Christian manifesto says. This is the kind of thing you will hear them say the most. They neither marry christian and pressure from that quarter makes them convert or monetary benefit. Go and read their manifesto. This is confirmed.

But those who claim to be "ex-muslims" or "former Imams" are usually undercover agents if you would permit me to use that phrase. Those ones are on a mission and those ones would deny Allah is God. But ignorant muslims who convert to christianity would not deny Allah being God for the most part. Most of them would tell you "we worship the same God but different ways" They would not deny existence if Allah. Similarly we have bunch of christian converts to Islam. So I am not saying there are no converts here and there. But these one that usually come out to give "testimonies" are stooges. Thats my focus. I am not interested in this guy's story. If he wants to say anything at all, I want to hear about his islamic knowledge if indeed he was muslim and I will allow him to say it all. That's how I will figure out whether he was nominal muslims or not.

Ete kete kiriyo po gaaan ni.

How will you know the bolded with your escaping mechanism?

FEAR is worrying you. Face it and you'll be liberated.

Interview Him: so simple if your theories can stand the test of truth.

shadeyinka:
How will you know the bolded with your escaping mechanism?

FEAR is worrying you.
Face it and you'll be liberated.

Interview Him: so simple if your theories can stand the test of truth.

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Empiree:
He said "Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post."

See that, thats emotion. Religion is not based on emotion but fact and evidence. What he wants debate his story and i am not interested in that. I am only interested in his islamic knowledge.

It is very interesting that you, Empiree, are making this statement.

See what true2god stated sometime ago:
"To be a good muslim, you must learn how to ignore facts and evidence." - true2god

Do you walk by FACTS?
Do you provide EVIDENCE when you answer questions?
When you ignore facts and evidence where does that leave you? Emotions!

Where is the evidence that it was angel Gabriel that appeared to Mohamed to tell him he was a prophet of Allah?

Where is the evidence that Mohamed performed any miracle?

Is it not a FACT that Mohamed said (contrary to all hygiene rules) that: 'Water is not made impure by anything.' Do you drink any water you come across, Empiree?

Is it not a FACT that Mohamed acknowledged the Torah and the Gospels which Moslems today deny?

In reality you disregard the FACTS and run your  religious life even when there is no clear EVIDENCE to support some of your claims.

You claim that 'Religion is not based on emotion but fact and evidence' yet you run away from FACTS and EVIDENCE and actually go by your EMOTIONS.

A clear example of this is your engagement of Christians here on Nairaland. You do it not to look at FACTS or EVIDENCE but because of a REACTION to your childhood experience. That is EMOTION. So, you set out, ab initio, not seek FACTS and EVIDENCE but to "get back" at your perceived antagonists. That is you religion Empiree - emotion.

Empiree:
He said "Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post."

See that, thats emotion. Religion is not based on emotion but fact and evidence. What he wants debate his story and i am not interested in that. I am only interested in his islamic knowledge.

what are the modalities for this debate on Islam between and you. I am actually now interested. I am not a novice in Islam. I schooled in it's knowledge from age 3-4 till I entered the university when the holy ghost took hold of my life. my childhood memoir which I am still writing has a whole chapter on Islam and my growing up experience, my madrasat days and the heavy Islamic influence in my family. I respect Islam a lot( a thing some Christian Brothers often use to say as me still beign attached to the religion). I still follow a lot of Islamic scholars both the Sunni( where I belonged till I left the faith) and the the traditional suffis. see when I keep silent on issues on conversation most times it is my personal attempt at not putting Islam to ridicule just because I am no longer an adherent. The Lord the holy spirit aught me a lot about Islam. Islam in itself is not bad ( i.e the act of ibadah doing salat, zakat, fasting, hajj, piousness etc. The problem with Islam is the ground Norm i.e the Revelation on which the faith developed. The Revelation of the Quran is actually not from the God of heaven. Some spirits of unrighteous masquerading as God actually we're responsible for the Revelation of the Quran and subsequent supernatural intervention that made the faith grow rapidly. see I hate to say these things but that is the truth. You don't get to know the weakness of Islam until you encounter the True living God who with knowledge of would set a man free from the strong appeal of the quran.
The test is any spirit that is from God must proclaim God's kingdom, acknowledge the sacrifice if Jesus as key to restore man to God. The fantastic crafting of the Quran by the spirit behind it ( its appeal to scientific order of nature , religious history, rhythm, logic and the supernatural means it came) is the biggest tool which even forced the holy prophet muhammad to believe is from God. see brother, Islam is a world. it is just like beign in Nigeria. If you don't gain access either accidentally or by self will to countries like Canada or USA either directly ( by immigration) or indirectly through exposure of life their via the Internet you can never fathom what you are loosing by beign in Nigeria and sticking ignorantly to Nigeria. My journey into God's kingdom was accidental but I have had the opportunity to understand better on the message of Islam which an average can never know until the veil is lifted of his eyes. I used to have those veils before. I was a zealous Muslim, all through my madrasat days I was active. Salat is something that my parent has planted into us from childhood.
Christians and Christianity were a No No.
but brother the reality to round this up is what we have learnt from experience and the Lord is leading many of us to reach to our brothers still in darkness and bondage of religion we were born is that, Jesus is the way. The veil made people like us deny this truth before. but we have seen it after we left Islam. we know God. we are not jus bowing to him believing we are pleasing him. God talks to us. we talk to him. This morning when I woke up, the Lord asked me to grab my pen and book and begin to write a Revelation on a wisdom I had demand From him since. I wrote about five pages of a sixty leaves note.

brother this is the life God intend for man, the eternal life of mutual fellowship by the holy spirit which the faith of Christ came to restore. Islam although strongly appealing in moral righteousness is another plan of the devil to cut of a lot of people from the enjoyment of this life through a religion he started in Arabia to gain influence over the world.

I look forward to hearing more from you. brother. don't insult me oh. don't call me kiriyo.

shadeyinka:

Your massive and untamed ignorance is so eminently exhibited in your error of comprehension: that all Pastors own churches or are in control of church offerings and tithes. If that's the case, then Robert Ciranko and his board members are in the same clique: the only difference is the absent title: and who title help when money is concerned!

Jesus has something to say about those who knowingly attribute the work and power of God to satan

Mat 12:31:
"Therefore I say to you, All kinds of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men, but the blasphemy [against] the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to men."

@bolded

Shows how you've judged yourself!

Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:15-20

Adding "many will say to me in that day 'Lord, Lord, we did many works in your name'(what type of works?) drive out demons in your name and performed many wonders in your name' then i will tell them 'i never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness(iniquity)" Matthew 7:21-23

Despite all the fine FRUIT you're seeing in Jehovah's Witnesses Organization, you've continue to argue against them, and what are you relying upon? Your ability to expel demons!
Whereas you can't point to anything in your so called works that has to do with the FRUITAGE of God's holy spirit like Love, Joy Peace Patience Goodness Kindness Faith Mildness and Self-control that Jehovah's Witnesses are exhibiting globally! Galatians 5:22-23!

Even after telling you that Apostle Paul said this GIFTS of God's holy spirit will seize but the FRUITS will persist, you keep arguing profusely and referring to those bearing the FRUIT as a cult group simply because they refused to acknowledge your so called miracles!

Oyá use your own brain to judge yourself, who is blaspheming against God's holy spirit?

I that's saying people need not rely on voices because demons do disguise as angels of light! 2Corinthians 12:14

Or

You that's arguing, abusing, antagonizing and cursing the one and only group working out the nine qualities of FRUIT of God's holy spirit!

This story contain elements of lies so much . a Muslim even not duly educated know that u can't be fasting on Fridays its haram. Being Imam in his fathers house and mosque d name is traced to no one around that area

Maximus69:


@bolded

Shows how you've judged yourself!

Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:15-20

Adding "many will say to me in that day 'Lord, Lord, we did many works in your name'(what type of works?) drive out demons in your name and performed many wonders in your name' then i will tell them 'i never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness(iniquity)" Matthew 7:21-23

Despite all the fine FRUIT you're seeing in Jehovah's Witnesses Organization, you've continue to argue against them, and what are you relying upon? Your ability to expel demons!
Whereas you can't point to anything in your so called works that has to do with the FRUITAGE of God's holy spirit like Love, Joy Peace Patience Goodness Kindness Faith Mildness and Self-control that Jehovah's Witnesses are exhibiting globally! Galatians 5:22-23!

Even after telling you that Apostle Paul said this GIFTS of God's holy spirit will seize but the FRUITS will persist, you keep arguing profusely and referring to those bearing the FRUIT as a cult group simply because they refused to acknowledge your so called miracles!

Oyá use your own brain to judge yourself, who is blaspheming against God's holy spirit?

I that's saying people need not rely on voices because demons do disguise as angels of light! 2Corinthians 12:14

Or

You that's arguing, abusing, antagonizing and cursing the one and only group working out the nine qualities of FRUIT of God's holy spirit!

You've just concured with yourself that Robert Ciranko and his board members also rob you folks blond but at least they have things to show for it.
Continue the chest beating!