finstar:
See?

RealMrNigerD:


Lol. You should be the one doing more critical thinking, my friend. Don't gulp in every science read on the net without your own critical analysis.
For one, MIT's Matt Wilson's hypothesis was a gross flouting of Occam's razor. I cannot establish with his results that dogs or rats dream. It could only end in an assumption. His results were like A happened when humans sleep, A happened when dogs sleep. Humans dream when they sleep therefore dogs dream. That's weak with one too many leaps, my friend, because A may never have been responsible for the humans dreaming. Sadly, for now, only the dogs themselves can tell us if they dream.

Second, even if dogs dream, it wouldn't take a thing away from my argument. Because we cannot even tell whether or not a dog has a soul. What do we really know?

So then, let's stick to what we know for sure.
1) We dream. We even dream of things we never thought of as well as things we have and all kinds of funny things. Some get deja vus. Some even dream of future events. Point is do we see our dream content in the physical? Can we for this inability, deny the reality of the experience which we can even tell others.

2) If the dream experience is real enough to be recounted. Then how can it be nothing? You cannot be remembering 'nothing' else you're mad. Or do you remember '' '', huh? I'm sure you don't, because that's nothing. Neither can you be able to tell someone the 'nothing' you experienced.

3) If you think a dream is the firing up of your neurons. What caused the sudden 'firing up' when you were only sleeping and doing nothing?

4.) If a dream, like a nightmare is actually nothing, why do little kids get up scared and why would their heart beat faster when this happens. Is it nothing that caused something real in the body to happen?

Maybe I should move this on to consciousness, thoughts, and imaginations too from here but first answer these.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s4/images/orijin-bitters.jpg[/img]
I do see. Aint that great.
So there you're then, codedly informed

Somebody please pass Finstar this chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts and make Finstar next governor of his/her state of origin.

Please drink responsibly.

LaEvilIMiss:
I watched the Nairaland Religious section keep discussing other issues other than the stark FACT that all their pompous and arrogant claims of Healing Powers have all but failed to come to light at the greatest global opportunity to SHINE. all of them have been shut by COVID19.

No Healing Cancer, Diabetes, HIV/AIDS, Fibroids, Death, Blindness, Brokenness, Barrenness etc.. all of you and your supporters on Nairaland have continued to ignore reality as usual... when a vaccine is found you will all jump off your scammer-asses and claim God revealed it to one Christian Doctor who saved the world. Una try. - use these somber moments to reflect on your spiritual brain-cleansing instead

MuttleyLaff:
The ranting and raving of someone banging his head against a brickwall. You keep on forgetting that the earth was given off to man and so it is man's responsibilty to look after the earth, take care of the earth, find correct solutions to problem and/or ills plaguing earth. This blaming culture, looking at someone to point the finger at except for man, has to stop. We wouldnt be in this situation, if in the first place, man didnt foxtrot uniform charlie kilo up.

Make up your mind, I thought you earlier said a good day adios to me

MuttleyLaff:
I guess, you are all wise up, you want to teach God how best to do His work, yeah?
Have you ever heard of the saying, as you lay your bed so lie in it, huh? Well this is man's lot, you can't have your cake and eat it.

Man doesn't need directing, the healing is in the seed, and because he already knows that, he just and merely has to keep on chipping and digging away until he hits water and stumble on the elixir(s)

MuttleyLaff:
The rules are precepts, principles, guidelines etcetera set up to govern the policy of the universe, so to know what is allowed and what is not allowed.

Just be mindful, not to restrict genuine miracles solely to the pulpit, church grounds and/or revival crusade grounds
because some miracles will never feature in such places

RealMrNigerD:
Lol. You should be the one doing more critical thinking, my friend. Don't gulp in every science read on the net without your own critical analysis.
For one, MIT's Matt Wilson's hypothesis was a gross flouting of Occam's razor. I cannot establish with his results that dogs or rats dream. It could only end in an assumption. His results were kinda like: "A" happened when humans sleep, "A" happened when dogs sleep. Humans dream when they sleep therefore dogs dream. That's just weak with one too many leaps, my friend, because A may never have been responsible for the humans dreaming. Sadly, for now, only the dogs themselves can tell us if they dream.

Second, even if dogs dream, it wouldn't take a thing away from my argument. Because we cannot even tell whether or not a dog has a soul. What do we really know?

So then, let's stick to what we know for sure.
1) We dream. We even dream of things we never thought of as well as things we have and all kinds of funny things. Some get deja vus. Some even dream of future events. Point is do we see our dream content in the physical? Can we for this inability, deny the reality of the experience which we can even tell others.
2) If the dream experience is real enough to be recounted. Then how can it be nothing? You cannot be remembering 'nothing' else you're mad. Or do you remember '' '', huh? I'm sure you don't, because that's nothing. Neither can you be able to tell someone the 'nothing' you experienced.
3) If you think a dream is the firing up of your neurons. What caused the sudden 'firing up' when you were only sleeping and doing nothing?
4.) If a dream, like a nightmare is actually nothing, why do little kids get up scared and why would their heart beat faster when this happens. Is it nothing that caused something real in the body to happen?

Maybe I should move this on to consciousness, thoughts and imaginations too from here but first answer these.

Finstar:
I'm glad you enjoyed this

Finstar:
But do you know this the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) have lots of blueprints, and numerous empirical proofs? Shit! It gets even interesting

MuttleyLaff:
I enjoyed how the human body nervous system codedly informed of Lightning, as proving the existence of something, lol

So you're Pastafarianism after all and not even an atheist, lol. It's getting better by the minute, lol

MacCantStopMe:
ARGUMENT 2 (DAY-2 18/APRIL/20)
THE PARADOX OF OMNIPOTENCE


We agree that a "married bachelor" can not exist because it is contradictory and self-refuting. An omnipotent God is self-refuting and contradictory.


-omnipotence is the ability to do all things. To have all abilities
-However, some abilities are contradictory to each other, or some actions negate each other
-To sleep means you are not awake, for instance. You cant be asleep and awake at the same time.



God has the ability to live for ever. Eternal life. However, that means that he can not die and he doesn't have the ability to kill himself

Finstar:
I'm not an atheist. Who said I am? Not a real one please. I use religion as a tool to get what I want.

Finstar:
And I so much enjoy it when I'm able to prove the existence of nothing with something. Does that make sense?

Finstar:
If you've ever read the 48 laws of power, you'll understand that people desperately want to believe in something higher than themselves. It's an innate urge they constantly want to feed.

Finstar:
For master manipulators and entrepreneurs like myself, we leverage these to better ourselves. Do you know how much I've made so far?

Finstar:
Humans are ignorant, gullible and easy to manipulate when religion is implored as a tool.

Finstar:
In fact, it's the greatest tool so far in my arsenal.

MuttleyLaff:
You use religion? Oh yeah? What sort/kind/type of religion would that be then you use, lol? Football, fashion, etcetera, lol?
What is true and pure religion, as a religion you cant fault sef, lol?

It is a privilege we have, lol, that sets us apart from animals, who dont necessarily have to prove the existence of nothing with something

Has the Pope ever read the Bible, lol? My softcopy The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene and Joost Elffer is one of my fav refer back books, lol.

I dont give a toss to how much you've made so far. Sorry

In fact, its obvious you're practising the wrong religion, an impure religion, heartless religion, a false religion, a religion with faults in it etcetera

Why wouldnt it be, when there are greedy, uneducated theological illiterate, lazy, gullible, looking for a undeserving shortcuts, fast tracks etcetera

Finstar:
I love your responses

Finstar:
Unfortunately, you are a victim of this great scam of the century. But do you know why you perceive other religion as untrue and false? Infant indoctrination.

Finstar:
How did we do it? Through children's Sunday school classes, morning devotion, and admonishing parents to raise their child in the way of the lord.

Finstar:
When these failed, the threat of burning in an everlasting lake of fire certainly won't.

This scam has been perfected for thousands of years, and the average minds cannot and will never break free from it.

Although we know that not all will buy into this fairytale. You know what we did? We invented a mechanism.. More like a verse,

"A fool says in his heart that there is no God"

Finstar:
If the fear of hell can't do the trick, a reward of f imaginary paradise would.

Finstar:
I love this game so much! Christianity and Islam is the game I love much. Buddhism isn't really lucrative

Finstar:
Adebayo will understand me better

MuttleyLaff:
No diggity, animals have souls. This is biblical truth, lol.

greatbygrace:


I am a Christian, I have experienced the life of Jesus. I know it is true but to explain it to you with science and evidence, I cannot.

MuttleyLaff:
So am I suppose to now wear your "I love your responses" as a badge of honour now ni

Just frigging answer the simple easy basic direct straightforward questions I asked jor

Speak for youself

I am sure, if asked to, you'll be incapable of doing an exegesis and hermaneutic to that Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 bible verse. Smh

There is nothing like carrot and stick anywhere jor my friend. People, at the end of it all, get what's coming to them. Period

Had it been you've read the bible good, correctly, truthfully and properly enough who would found out that none of them what you listed, were preached, taught or proclaimed, lol, in the Bible

Whatever this means

RealMrNigerD:
For real? Well, I don't know about that. Maybe you could share?

Finstar:


Can you narrate a dream that you've had, and you never thought of? I would appreciate as it would help to validate this claim.



What do you think dreams are? Of course they are mental images which you can remember and recount the sequence if asked. It's like watching a movie. You do remember movies you've watched, right? What has "nothing" got to do with dreams? The argument here is that dreams are merely made up by your brain, and that they are not real.



Theories about why we dream include those that suggest dreaming is a means by which the brain processes emotions, stimuli, memories, and information that's been absorbed throughout the waking day.

Asking me what causes the firing is actually dumb lol. I expect a better question.



You're asking if NOTHING can make one scared? Do you see how ridiculous this question sound? Have you watch horror movies before? A good horror movie will get your fears up, but that doesn't discard the fact that you're merely watching pixels. What causes you to fear isn't there, it doesn't exist, yet it scares you.



Having gone through your responses, it's obvious that you're utterly brainwashed and adamant to prove the existence of your fairytales.

Until you're able to bring empirical evidence, I and so many other reasonable folks refuse to buy into your delusion.

Finstar:
I love your responses

MuttleyLaff:
So am I suppose to now wear your "I love your responses" as a badge of honour now ni

Just frigging answer the simple easy basic direct straightforward questions I asked jor

Finstar:
I don't like your response.. Kinda expected more! I engaged you in the first place because I assumed you were a little intelligent.

Finstar:
Now you're showing symptoms of a sheeple.. I will pass LOL.

Finstar:
But aside from you, I'm sure onlookers have been educated.

Religion is a scam! And believing in an imaginary sky daddy is delusion.

When you refuse to embrace this TRUTH, we will use it to manipulate and milk you..

I rest my case

Finstar:


Can you narrate a dream that you've had, and you never thought of? I would appreciate as it would help to validate this claim.

What do you think dreams are? Of course they are mental images which you can remember and recount the sequence if asked. It's like watching a movie. You do remember movies you've watched, right? What has "nothing" got to do with dreams? The argument here is that dreams are merely made up by your brain, and that they are not real.

Theories about why we dream include those that suggest dreaming is a means by which the brain processes emotions, stimuli, memories, and information that's been absorbed throughout the waking day.
Asking me what causes the firing is actually dumb lol. I expect a better question.

You're asking if NOTHING can make one scared? Do you see how ridiculous this question sound? Have you watch horror movies before? A good horror movie will get your fears up, but that doesn't discard the fact that you're merely watching pixels. What causes you to fear isn't there, it doesn't exist, yet it scares you.

Having gone through your responses, it's obvious that you're utterly brainwashed and adamant to prove the existence of your fairytales.

Until you're able to bring empirical evidence, I and so many other reasonable folks refuse to buy into your delusion.

aadoiza:

Perhaps you could explain to me why I seldom see places i have never been to in my dreams and only to find myself in those places days after in reality.

MuttleyLaff:
"How can anyone be sure that the human spirit goes upward
while an animal's spirit goes down into the ground?"
- Ecclesiastes 3:19

"⁹“Behold, I now establish My covenant with you and your descendants after you,
¹⁰and with every living creature that was with you
- the birds, the livestock, and every beast of the earth
- every living thing that came out of the ark"
- Genesis 9:9-10

The word "creature" used in Genesis 9:10 above, is exactly the same word, just as used as the soul in man (i.e. nephesh)

RealMrNigerD:


1.)You seem like you're not paying attention to yourself. The brain from existence realm is linking up to non-existent realm. And you're even able to have memory of a non-existent realm. Explain that logically? Do you know that the universe is a closed system. Net flow of energy is constant- Law of thermodynamics.

2.)Secondly, you say the brain induces fear through the nightmare. You shoot yourself in the foot. Can the brain induce fear with nothing?

3.)Again, how can the brain induce anything at all. What caused the brain's inducement when you were sleeping?

MuttleyLaff:


All the aboriginal faiths, crickets sound from that quarters too nah, lol

RealMrNigerD:

deja vu. Common experience but I'm sure Finstar would deny it even if he had one, lol.

Finstar:


Can you narrate a dream that you've had, and you never thought of? I would appreciate as it would help to validate this claim.



What do you think dreams are? Of course they are mental images which you can remember and recount the sequence if asked. It's like watching a movie. You do remember movies you've watched, right? What has "nothing" got to do with dreams? The argument here is that dreams are merely made up by your brain, and that they are not real.



Theories about why we dream include those that suggest dreaming is a means by which the brain processes emotions, stimuli, memories, and information that's been absorbed throughout the waking day.

Asking me what causes the firing is actually dumb lol. I expect a better question.



You're asking if NOTHING can make one scared? Do you see how ridiculous this question sound? Have you watch horror movies before? A good horror movie will get your fears up, but that doesn't discard the fact that you're merely watching pixels. What causes you to fear isn't there, it doesn't exist, yet it scares you.



Having gone through your responses, it's obvious that you're utterly brainwashed and adamant to prove the existence of your fairytales.

Until you're able to bring empirical evidence, I and so many other reasonable folks refuse to buy into your delusion.

RealMrNigerD:
Oh. the Bible's a book I've not really studied. But I certainly am not gonna deny the existence of god and a supreme intelligence. I think that's just plain dumb denial.

LaEvilIMiss:
But dem no make claim like the trado-christlam faiths na weed dem dey smoke and spirits dem dey talk to.. even their own spirits no make claim

MuttleyLaff:
Dreaming like this, is what's called experiencing an anxiety dream otherwise known as a natural dream

The content of such anxiety dreams usually is a direct reflection about something seen, watched, heard, listened to or wanted and comes about as result of a want of, a struggle for, a fear of, a hope of, a hope for, a need of or a desire you have of, something.

Now because of the ambiguity over the ''something'', it is the inner man otherwise known as your spirit man, that alerts your soul otherwise known as the carnal man via the anxiety dream that what was dreamt about is concerning and needs getting dealt with (e.g. hunger or hungry, so there is a need of food to use for dealing the hunger with, hence the natural or anxiety dreaming of food)

Finstar:


I don't like your response.. Kinda expected more! I engaged you in the first place because I assumed you were a little intelligent.

Now you're showing symptoms of a sheeple.. I will pass LOL. But aside from you, I'm sure onlookers have been educated.

Religion is a scam! And believing in an imaginary sky daddy is delusion.

When you refuse to embrace this TRUTH, we will use it to manipulate and milk you..

I rest my case

MuttleyLaff:
My bad. My profound and unreservedly apologies. Sorry for being presumptious there. I thought you asked the question based on expecting to receive a response based from a biblical perspective. I tender my apologies again

RealMrNigerD:
It's okay. Wasn't any bit offended.

MacCantStopMe:



I knew where your argument was going. There is nothing new in theology.

The point here is that dreams, nightmares and imaginations are all abstract images conjured by the physical brain.

The brain produces abstract images.the brain exists physically while the imagination is abstract.



This is why your nightmare argument is flawed. It is the brain that induces that fear THROUGH the Nightmare. The same would be true for a hallucination. The brain is conjuring abstract horrors. And whennyteating a child who is scared from nightmares, what does one do? One tells the child that the nightmares are not real, and also to stop watching horror movies.

MuttleyLaff:

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Now you see why I refused to drink from your "I love your responses" poisoned chalice cup. You are Mister Contradiction. You have a split personality disorder. When you dont have things go your way, this triggers it on, as just being shown by you here, lol

You had and have no choice that to pass. You're just a mere wind, while I am a whirlwind. I would sweep you away, if you didnt have the good sense to pass

They sure got educated from seeing that you dont know what true and pure religion, one that hasnt got faults in, is. Simple easy direct straightforward questions to reply to but no, all you did was dodging, ducking and diving, pushing eyes as if like a young newly wed virgin wifey and avoided the questions, like as if na blokos wey too big
Go play with your balls and invented the truth. Bwahahaha ha