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ghostwon:
I really have to focus on my work now, I will soon deactivate my account.

I can be reached at ghostwonwon@gmail.com

Sure

davidnazee:
About the Benin-Ife connection, Ryder wasn’t the only scholar that have argued against it. Other scholars have published research work against that connection ever existing.
Most suggests that if there was a connection it probably happened long after the Benin Kingdom and the present dynasty had been established.

Yea i have given three different scholars who faulted the benin-ife connection and of the scholars was so angry with the benins for attempting to rewrite thier history for some gains
And this was a foreign scholar who saw there was a catch for such dubious act by the benins to link ife to benin

TAO11 and his colleagues hate me for this because am more of the person drawing the attention of noconnection more, tao11 mostly use this anger and vent tantrum on me while he is mentioning me

My threads hence forth will be on the validity of ife benin connections
I guess the truth weren't available to the populace early because of lack of having acess to materials like the works of ryders and other scholars now internet has made things easier

In my first thread with TAO11 i had introduced him to the need to cite works of scholars and the need to do research and use virtual analysis for interpretation and they hated me for it, the only person who could keep up was TAO11, thats why in every of our thread they are always full of scholars citation

gregyboy:
The issue am having with ghostwon he speaks on myth with no evidence to back them off and he is a tribalistic, if you ask him of prove he will wisk off....
I begged him to tell me his opinion why he felt ekaladeran and ogene are myth instead he gave me insult

I didn't read this comment of yours because I generally refrain from reading most of your comments. Indeed when I hand over five corrections to someone and he keeps on with the same mistake, I give up on that person because time is precious, life is precious.

1) if you can substantiate your claims of me being a tribalist, I would appreciate.
2) you need to know the meaning of the word myth: you asking me to prove something is a myth goes counter logics.
And you must understand how any intelligent mind would be frustrated with such demands.

3) A myth is a story which is not substantiated. So the problem is that you hear a story and have no scrutiny over it, you look not for proof of the story, but when someone comes along and tells you it is a myth (meaning a mere story with no proof) you ask that person to provide proof.
So you want me to prove that there is no proof rather than asking those spreading the story to provide proof ?

4) I have explained all these in more details several times in nairaland and I specifically told you and others to look at my posts, even my different monikers ( prolog2 is one of them). I am not s machine with infinite time to waste. Of course I get hangry when some expect me to repeat myself again and again and again. I am a person, not a machine.

5) the one thing which always puzzled me is the fact so many Nigerians don't understand the very concept of myth or history:

Look at the oduduwa story for example. When is it supposed to have taken place ?
Indeed the first record of Benin empire was in the 14th or 15th century when people who could write visited Benin empire and wrote about it. They met an empire led by the Oba if Benin. Therefor if there were ever any oduduwa, then he would have existed before the 14th or 15th century. And no written text by any person who claims to have seen him exists !

Therefor, won't you ask yourself where the so precised story being being said about him comes from ? These guys are telling a story which supposedly happened several hundred years ago with no eye witness account and they are telling it as if they were there and they saw it. Can you tell me what happened in your wife's room last week when you were not around ? Yet they want to magically tell what happened several hundred years ago with no document written by eyewitnesses ?

6) Benin Empire has actual history, douments written by eyewitnesses which span several hundred years and non of that ever mentioned ife or oduduwa as stated by Samuk or davidnaze.
All these I have said several times on nairaland, and they seem so obvious to me that I actually find it hard and physically painful to discuss them any further.

I came back just to make this comment and the name ghost1day is to say "ghost back for one day"

Good bye.

The challenge I gave the Binis hours earlier:

Provide only one --- just one --- shred of evidence (unanimous contemporary scholarly statements, archaeological results, etc.) to back up any single one of the many clams in your comment above. I challenge you!

Wake up me up only when you're able to help yourself, otherwise your comments (I mean your lies) amount to nothing but your usual audio rants.

It is very obvious that I have battered your 'image' here on Nairaland so much that everyone is now beyond convinced that you are not but a Janus-faced, fatuous, deluded, pathological liar.

You are only struggling to salvage whatever pieces is left of your shattered 'image'.

Well, the people's mind have been made up on you --- including pusyiter (an uveilable Bini apologist ) who, on the basis of how badly I exposed you yesterday, forsook you and fled.

At this point, sane Nairalanders are not surprised a bit that even after giving the Bini Nairalanders all the needed hours of uninterrupted freedom and liberty to defend their grandoise claims with evidence, all they could ultimately come up with, even after tortuous hours of sweaty search, is the same heap of dog sh!t that have already been rubbed on their faces again again on this same thread.

In the light of this, sane Nairalanders have not even an atom of doubt that, at this moment and going forward, Benin Kingdom must be ashamed of its terrible Nairaland ambassadors who have repeatedly failed to defend it with any truth or evidence whatsoever.

Afterall, everyone knows quite well even before now that the idea of defending Benin Kingdom with truth and evidence is as self-contradictory as the idea of a married-bachelor or a square-circle.

And every sane Nairalander became reassured!

Cheers!

Some Interesting Reads:
(1).
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/4#88239280

(2) (i & ii). https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/4#88240113

(2) (iii, iv, & v). https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/5#88240976

(3) (i, ii, iii, iv, & v).
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/5#88242922

(4).
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/39#88542785

(5).
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/40#88549894

(6).
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/40#88558950

(7).
https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/14#87905826

I didn't read this comment of yours because I generally refrain from reading most of your comments. Indeed when I hand over five corrections to someone and he keeps on with the same mistake, I give up on that person because time is precious, life is precious.

1) if you can substantiate your claims of me being a tribalist, I would appreciate.
2) you need to know the meaning of the word myth: you asking me to prove something is a myth goes counter logics.
And you must understand how any intelligent mind would be frustrated with such demands.

3) A myth is a story which is not substantiated. So the problem is that you hear a story and have no scrutiny over it, you look not for proof of the story, but when someone comes along and tells you it is a myth (meaning a mere story with no proof) you ask that person to provide proof.
So you want me to prove that there is no proof rather than asking those spreading the story to provide proof ?

4) I have explained all these in more details several times in nairaland and I specifically told you and others to look at my posts, even my different monikers ( prolog2 is one of them). I am not s machine with infinite time to waste. Of course I get hangry when some expect me to repeat myself again and again and again. I am a person, not a machine.

5) the one thing which always puzzled me is the fact so many Nigerians don't understand the very concept of myth or history:

Look at the oduduwa story for example. When is it supposed to have taken place ?
Indeed the first record of Benin empire was in the 14th or 15th century when people who could write visited Benin empire and wrote about it. They met an empire led by the Oba if Benin. Therefor if there were ever any oduduwa, then he would have existed before the 14th or 15th century. And no written text by any person who claims to have seen him exists !

Therefor, won't you ask yourself where the so precised story being being said about him comes from ? These guys are telling a story which supposedly happened several hundred years ago with no eye witness account and they are telling it as if they were there and they saw it. Can you tell me what happened in your wife's room last week when you were not around ? Yet they want to magically tell what happened several hundred years ago with no document written by eyewitnesses ?

6) Benin Empire has actual history, douments written by eyewitnesses which span several hundred years and non of that ever mentioned ife or oduduwa as stated by Samuk or davidnaze.
All these I have said several times on nairaland, and they seem so obvious to me that I actually find it hard and physically painful to discuss them any further.

I came back just to make this comment and the name ghost1day is to say "ghost back for one day"

Good bye.

Wow you are nobody too
You have indeed have done alot defending the benin history and i never knew your numerous account tho, i guess the truth will be outspoken from hence forth continuously

But sir why the numerous account

Are you the one benind obaOvaramwen account

If you are indeeed behind this popular numerous account then we are very few defending the benins history here in nairaland

I found out the Portuguese could have been the one who name benin ubinu when asked by the itsekiri to describe the benins

MelesZenawi:
Even Edo has more hausa fulani Indigenes.

Try to accept the blunt side of history.

Moreover it is secure putting it this way ( Oduduwa republic Including Edo, Urhobo , Itshekiri) to avoid conflict on Igbo biafra republic)..

Learn to reason like human.

I have been reading your comments and have noticed you have a curious mind to learn the truth and not just stories. In the case of this Edo, Itsekiri and probably Urhobo people will form a nation together. Nothing like Edo and Yoruba as one nation. Mind you it's not with land size that determines if a people will be allowed to form a nation. Read about Singapore

valirex:
I have been reading your comments and have noticed you have a curious mind to learn the truth and not just stories. In the case of this Edo, Itsekiri and probably Urhobo people will form a nation together. Nothing like Edo and Yoruba as one nation. Mind you it's not with land size that determines if a people will be allowed to form a nation. Read about Singapore

This guy is a drunkard

He speaks like a dictator

MelesZenawi:
Even Edo has more hausa fulani Indigenes.

Try to accept the blunt side of history.

Moreover it is secure putting it this way ( Oduduwa republic Including Edo, Urhobo , Itshekiri) to avoid conflict on Igbo biafra republic)..

Learn to reason like human.

Mad man
Oduduwa republic should include edo, are yoy thinking from your anus.....


Leave this thread you igbo bigot,

Your people are been kilked in china and south africa you cant comment on that

gregyboy:
This guy is a drunkard

He speaks like a dictator

Bro I can see your point you have totally changed and almost bursted my brain. It's like the history I have been learning have all suddenly become untrue to me. Pls can you explain better this history me I mean Prince Ekhaladeran history

valirex:


Bro I can see your point you have totally changed and almost bursted my brain. It's like the history I have been learning have all suddenly become untrue to me. Pls can you explain better this history me I mean Prince Ekhaladeran history

Just know ekaladeran story initially ended at ughoton uptill today rituals are still been done at ughoton by the oba
The stories that says ekaladeran left ughoton to ife were all made up by oba of benin for political reasons
After the banishment of ekaladeran he wondered into the forest while he was wondering he came across different villages in benin were he fell inlove with one enogies daughters from a particular village who later begot eweka for him he later left ahead to establish ughoton village were he died some account says he went further north after establishing ughoton or he died before the arrival of the searching chiefs
But all we know was ekaladeran story ended at ughoton

Yea this is were the politcs began which most yorubas know and thats why they always accuse our oba of forging the ekaladeran stories in the early 60s

Oba Akenzua during the period when the edos were in the former western region wanted to be the topmost traditional leader in the western region not just him, was aiming for this position the ooni, alafin and several others, so he cooked up a story of ekaladeran escaping to ife after he left ughoton and so on as the story goes......
But luck ran out of him because he had no political power to establish his plans, awolowo later elevated the ooni
The oba and edos were constantly marginalize by the yorubas after his failed plan, he had to pull out of the western region.... But awolowo resisted. it took the grace of god that made it succeed......

Anyway sha follow the other thread

samuk:
What you see as historical facts conflicting started most recently by the Yorubas trying to rewrite their history as a unified one to make themselves look good.

Before 1897 when the British invaded and put an end to the old Benin empire, everyone knows where they stand.

The well documented History of Benin for centuries made no reference to Yoruba or Igbo as a unified tribe or one people because these tribes didn't always exist as one.

That is not to say that Benin did not interacted with some tribes in the West and East who are now part of the larger Yoruba and Igbo groups.

In dealing with Benin/Yoruba relationship, you have to look at it from the position of Benin relationship with the individual tribes in other not to muddle things up and confuse yourself.

There are the Benin/Akure relationship, Benin/Ekiti Relationship, Benin/Lagos relationship, etc.

Same with Benin/ various Igbo tribes relationship and Benin/ middle belt or North relationships.

These relationships varied depending on how cooperative or rebellious and close proximity to Benin.

Today, you will see someone whose former tribe be it Igbo or Yoruba had a nominal relationship with Benin, now arguing that Benin kingdom didn't extend their influence to Igbo land or Yoruba land.

You will see, a now member of the wider Igbo tribe arguing Benin/Onitsha relationship with prominent Onitsha indigines, same way someone from formerly little known Yoruba tribes will argue Lagos/Benin relationship with prominent Lagos indigines including the Oba of Lagos himself.

It's easy for an Igbo person to get confused seeing all these Benin/Yoruba debates online because the Yorubas of today makes it look like they used to be one big unified tribe for centuries.

Imagine reading about Benin/Oyo relationship which is different from Akure/Benin relationship which is different from Benin/Lagos relationship but all being presented as one history.

You could read an account about how Benin once beheaded an Oba from one Yoruba tribe from the indigines of that place themselves only for you to see another person from a different Yoruba tribe jumps in to shout this person down saying it never happened.

When Oba of Lagos and most of his white cap chiefs says that they are from Benin, you will see someone from Ogbomosho jumps in to argue that they don't know what they are saying.

Back to similarities between old Benin kingdom people and Yoruba, Igbo and Northerners.

Depending on where you a looking from, a Yoruba man can easily mistake a Benin man to be an Igbo man, numerous Yorubas initially thought I am Igbo until I correct them and some of them don't see the difference between Benin and Igbo

Same as some Igbos mistaking Benin to be Yorubas.

Even some Nigerians will mistake Edo North people to be Northerners because of their names and Islamic religion.

These are the consequences of being an empire, there will always be cultural overlaps from interaction from various tribes that the empire came into contact with.

This is the reason Benin is more diverse in terms of people, food, music, culture etc.

Benin is a mini Nigeria and probably the most liberal city in Nigeria, if in doubt, ask the various tribes that resides there. Tribalism is near zero.

I am intrigued by your write up and will like to know what you think of this write up for I am am confused if this is true:

Just know ekaladeran story initially ended at ughoton uptill today rituals are still been done at ughoton by the oba
The stories that says ekaladeran left ughoton to ife were all made up by oba of benin for political reasons
After the banishment of ekaladeran he wondered into the forest while he was wondering he came across different villages in benin were he fell inlove with one enogies daughters from a particular village who later begot eweka for him he later left ahead to establish ughoton village were he died some account says he went further north after establishing ughoton or he died before the arrival of the searching chiefs
But all we know was ekaladeran story ended at ughoton

Yea this is were the politcs began which most yorubas know and thats why they always accuse our oba of forging the ekaladeran stories in the early 60s

Oba Akenzua during the period when the edos were in the former western region wanted to be the topmost traditional leader in the western region not just him, was aiming for this position the ooni, alafin and several others, so he cooked up a story of ekaladeran escaping to ife after he left ughoton and so on as the story goes......
But luck ran out of him because he had no political power to establish his plans, awolowo later elevated the ooni
The oba and edos were constantly marginalize by the yorubas after his failed plan, he had to pull out of the western region.... But awolowo resisted. it took the grace of god that made it succeed......

MetaPhysical:
Ohhh noo...!!

I cant believe you wont engage me on such a fundamental piece of history. I cant believe it!

Everything in your claim of independence and superiority is tied to Benin, Edo, Oba, Ogiso, Igodomigodo....none of which contain your native indigeneous tongue unquely defined in 'gh', "v", 'z'.

This is critical! Foreigners found your land and civilized it. Ooni of Ife is absolutely accurate that Benin is an extension of Yorubaland.

Dispute me with counter facts.

Wetin concer me with Japan? Why are you deflecting

Bro this your write-up am not impressed like I used to. You don't have to tribalize things always

AreaFada2:
Since I can smell your historical and scientific ignorance from thousands of miles away, no need engaging you at all. Continue in your ignorance.

In Japan, 1603-1867 is called the Edo period. A period of most stable peace and stability until then. In Japan names like Sayuki, Osasu, Osamu and others are common names.

In your logic, I should be on my way to claim Kyoto, Tokyo and indeed Japan as Benin territory.

I like your historic wisdom, and will like to know what you think of this write up for I am confused if this is true:

Just know ekaladeran story initially ended at ughoton uptill today rituals are still been done at ughoton by the oba
The stories that says ekaladeran left ughoton to ife were all made up by oba of benin for political reasons
After the banishment of ekaladeran he wondered into the forest while he was wondering he came across different villages in benin were he fell inlove with one enogies daughters from a particular village who later begot eweka for him he later left ahead to establish ughoton village were he died some account says he went further north after establishing ughoton or he died before the arrival of the searching chiefs
But all we know was ekaladeran story ended at ughoton

Yea this is were the politcs began which most yorubas know and thats why they always accuse our oba of forging the ekaladeran stories in the early 60s

Oba Akenzua during the period when the edos were in the former western region wanted to be the topmost traditional leader in the western region not just him, was aiming for this position the ooni, alafin and several others, so he cooked up a story of ekaladeran escaping to ife after he left ughoton and so on as the story goes......
But luck ran out of him because he had no political power to establish his plans, awolowo later elevated the ooni
The oba and edos were constantly marginalize by the yorubas after his failed plan, he had to pull out of the western region.... But awolowo resisted. it took the grace of god that made it succeed......

gregyboy:
Just know ekaladeran story initially ended at ughoton uptill today rituals are still been done at ughoton by the oba
The stories that says ekaladeran left ughoton to ife were all made up by oba of benin for political reasons
After the banishment of ekaladeran he wondered into the forest while he was wondering he came across different villages in benin were he fell inlove with one enogies daughters from a particular village who later begot eweka for him he later left ahead to establish ughoton village were he died some account says he went further north after establishing ughoton or he died before the arrival of the searching chiefs
But all we know was ekaladeran story ended at ughoton

Yea this is were the politcs began which most yorubas know and thats why they always accuse our oba of forging the ekaladeran stories in the early 60s

Oba Akenzua during the period when the edos were in the former western region wanted to be the topmost traditional leader in the western region not just him, was aiming for this position the ooni, alafin and several others, so he cooked up a story of ekaladeran escaping to ife after he left ughoton and so on as the story goes......
But luck ran out of him because he had no political power to establish his plans, awolowo later elevated the ooni
The oba and edos were constantly marginalize by the yorubas after his failed plan, he had to pull out of the western region.... But awolowo resisted. it took the grace of god that made it succeed......

Anyway sha follow the other thread

Thanks to Nnamdi Azikiwe who made such pulling out possible. Give credit to the right person always.

Osagyefo98:
Thanks to Nnamdi Azikiwe who made such pulling out possible. Give credit to the right person always.

Yea i really don't know, all thinks to him i knew the oba had to seek the help of different political leader of that time to aid him....


Yorubas have really wanted history more than we want to rule them......

It just sad that the monarchs wont openly tell us this stories openly it will look so embarrassing to them.....

gregyboy:
Yea i really don't know, all thinks to him i knew the oba had to seek the help of different political leader of that time to aid him....


Yorubas have really wanted history more than we want to rule them......

It just sad that the monarchs wont openly tell us this stories openly it will look so embarrassing to them.....

Not interfering in the historical paths just I decided to give you the name of the man that made Mid-west possible. Same man you guys hate so much.

I think by now he will be regretting his actions in his grave and should allowed you all to be in Western region and become fully yorubanised...at least by now you all will be full blown Yorubas.

Osagyefo98:
Not interfering in the historical paths just I decided to give you the name of the man that made Mid-west possible. Same man you guys hate so much.

I think by now he will be regretting his actions in his grave and should allowed you all to be in Western region and become fully yorubanised...at least by now you all will be full blown Yorubas.

Lol, the gods wouldn't have allowed it....... Lol

No edo people hate him.... We hate awolowo


Edos really dont have any issues with igbos except that instead of calling for the breakup of nigeria for only themselves they should include others too not as biafrans but as an independent state in thier own

Did you know the insult we poured on the yorubas for voting buhari.....

Osagyefo98:
Not interfering in the historical paths just I decided to give you the name of the man that made Mid-west possible. Same man you guys hate so much.

I think by now he will be regretting his actions in his grave and should allowed you all to be in Western region and become fully yorubanised...at least by now you all will be full blown Yorubas.

How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root.

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

Osagyefo98:
Not interfering in the historical paths just I decided to give you the name of the man that made Mid-west possible. Same man you guys hate so much.

I think by now he will be regretting his actions in his grave and should allowed you all to be in Western region and become fully yorubanised...at least by now you all will be full blown Yorubas.

Binis do not hate Igbos neither do we hate the Yorubas we are only trying to correct the Yorubas to stop the distortion of history. Don't try to create a tribal war online

samuk:
How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root.

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

You still haven't answered my question, I need your view of what I asked

valirex:
You still haven't answered my question, I need your view of what I asked

There are more than enough on this thread to answer any questions you have. You just need to go back and read from the beginning. I know it's hard work but it will give you better understanding rather than repeating from the start what has already been explained.

samuk:
There are more than enough on this thread to answer any questions you have. You just need to go back and read from the beginning. I know it's hard work but it will give you better understanding rather than repeating from the start what has already been explained.

This shouldn't be turned as an igbo vs edo thread
This thread contains much info to bring tribal bigotries all over it,

If you insist in it, take it to a new thread not this

valirex:
You still haven't answered my question, I need your view of what I asked

If you called Azikiwe out for tribal bigoted purpose good but you guys should create a new thread to handle yourselves out
But not this one please

gregyboy:
If you called Azikiwe out for tribal bigoted purpose good but you guys should create a new thread to handle yourselves out
But not this one please

Bro I believe you are quoting the wrong person

samuk:
There are more than enough on this thread to answer any questions you have. You just need to go back and read from the beginning. I know it's hard work but it will give you better understanding rather than repeating from the start what has already been explained.

Like you said it's hard, 40 pages is no joke. As Bini trying to learn our history I believe it only logical for you to point me to a particular post to make it easier for me if you can't answer it again

valirex:
Bro I believe you are quoting the wrong person

Sorry

valirex:
Like you said it's hard, 40 pages is no joke. As Bini trying to learn our history I believe it only logical for you to point me to a particular post to make it easier for me if you can't answer it again

All pages are important, very important

Create time to read them, we ourselves can't point out a page all pages were full of information

gregyboy:
The ooni is sounding retarded benin never encountered ife in anytime in history the stody of Oduduwa was fake and fabricated, the Europeans over four hundred years of trading in benin never encountered benin and ife connections,

If you need prove i will supply you

Oduduwa story is fake stop spreading it

Can I have this PDF?

valirex:
Can I have this PDF?

https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory


https://www.jstor.org/journal/historyafrica

https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory

https://www.jstor.org/journal/historyafrica

Follow this thread too

https://www.nairaland.com/5780479/not-arochukwu-kings-ogane-east


https://www.nairaland.com/5713629/main-reasons-yoruba-not-enlisted


Guy na research you won do so, the kind time when all this thread chop me... Ehnn

Just follow them up it will take u weeks sha but do everything about benin history are all here
So you wont be left behind

valirex:
Can I have this PDF?

Another way to make the read easy is only to read the replies from the Benin contributors only. You can scroll through each page reading replies and posts from:

Samuk
Areafather
Gregyboy
Davinazee
Ghoswon
Silversniper

Osagyefo98:
Not interfering in the historical paths just I decided to give you the name of the man that made Mid-west possible. Same man you guys hate so much.

I think by now he will be regretting his actions in his grave and should allowed you all to be in Western region and become fully yorubanised...at least by now you all will be full blown Yorubas.

You are looking for unnecessary argument..

gregyboy:



https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory


https://www.jstor.org/journal/historyafrica

https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory

https://www.jstor.org/journal/historyafrica

Follow this thread too

https://www.nairaland.com/5780479/not-arochukwu-kings-ogane-east


https://www.nairaland.com/5713629/main-reasons-yoruba-not-enlisted


Guy na research you won do so, the kind time when all this thread chop me... Ehnn

Just follow them up it will take u weeks sha but do everything about benin history are all here
So you wont be left behind

I plan on creating a medium to store all this information for the future generations. I am glad to know there are more Binis deep in history like me, at home here they all think am crazy with how much I read our people's history. Thanks