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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 7:58pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
hoodedjaystrim: No they outplayed us |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 8:10pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
I like this one. You have just put forth an argument worth considering. Are you opining that training hard was likely the reason he failed the MRI? Nothing in that excerpt suggests that. Can you explain the correlation between hard training and MRI test negative result(failure)? Besides, the fact that he was skinny belies his age. But that guy in that blurry picture was definitely not 17, assuming that picture was from 2013. Your point is well taken though. I will take it if you can explain the correlation. Edit: The MRI scanning process involves the investigation of the fusion of the growth plates of player's wrist. If the investigation is carried out and the result shows that there's complete fusion, then one can be 99% sure the player is over 17. So perhaps you can tell me how training hard affects the fusion of the wrist plates. https://www.thenational.ae/sport/use-of-mri-technology-is-helping-fifa-in-age-battle-1.479733 TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Afobear: 8:13pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Afobear: 8:15pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Afobear: 8:16pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:53pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
benji93: So explain why Maduabuchi, a 16 years old boy failed the MRI test? A genuine 16 years old with his date of birth captured in the American database? The MRI scan is a criteria Nigeria has agreed to abide by not because it is accurate in helping us find our best quality talents in the U17 age grade but it helps us limit the chances of overage players breaking into the team. The main idea of the MRI scan is that, it is hard for an old player to pass but there are chances for young players to fail. A lesser amount of young players fail but a high amount of older players fail. As long as we have less overage players, we are okay to lose some high quality young players to achieve this. Does not mean all players that fail are overaged. Ndidi was groomed by a National hero from young age, watched grow. Not some old man that came out of the blues to enter U17 team. Keep in mind Nduka Ugbade became one of the U17 coaches that period. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by hoodedjaystrim(m): 8:55pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by hoodedjaystrim(m): 8:57pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
Subzero047:Nope they didn't, they were more organized but never outplayed us Though they deserved the win |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:25pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 9:45pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
Bigger chance for a young player to fail? Bigger than what? What's your reference here? Where did you get that from? How many of the Maduabuchi's can you find? A less amount of young players fail? That's quite an exaggeration. A very very small number of players younger than 17 fail, would be a better assessment. In a pool of 1000 players, do you know what 99% translates to? The MRI gets it correct for 990 players. So I will go with that. And bringing up a few cases of failure of a system in that fashion is not quite useful. You can do better. I don't understand how being groomed by a national hero, not an old man implies that Ndidi is using his correct age. Neither does the fact that a Nigerian coach leads his youth teams to advanced stages means he doesn't know some of his boys are lying about their ages. I am not questioning his performance. We are talking about his age. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:49pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
Ok sir I don’t understand your science of determining ages accurately by eye test benji93: 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:51pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 10:07pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:22pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
benji93: I am talking of a 16 year old can fail, because the test aims at capturing young players. It is hard for a young man to pass but some young players can fail. Ndidi was a small kid that grew up under the tutelage of a legend. Not some old man trying to break into the team. Simple. So Ndidi failing the test does not mean he was overage because there is a small chance of young players failing the test. Maduabuchi Obinwa was 16 years and he failed the test. Failing the test did not mean he was overage. Gerrit? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:25pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
benji93: All I am saying is that using failing MRI as proof of a player being overage should not count because young players can also fail the test. Coupled with how Ndidi worked under very strenuous conditions with Nduka Ugbade gives a chance of him being young and failing. Why we like the MRI is because it gives us a high chance of having a sure group of young U17 players, keeping in mind that some of the good young ones can be cut off. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Starboytwo(m): 11:44pm On Apr 25, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 12:52am On Apr 26, 2020 |
What is your problem now? . I never claimed my eye test was scientific. Before the advent of the MRI test, didn't most of us know our players have not been truthful about their ages? How did we come to that conclusion? By science? You seem to uphold the scientific process so much, yet that guy failed the test. My point is that the scientific process you so much believe in doesn't help you. And don't mention the fact that a few guys that are actually below 17 failed the test. Cos that argument is stale. Joebie: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kheeng1: 12:56am On Apr 26, 2020 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 1:08am On Apr 26, 2020 |
What the heck! How many actual young players failed the test? I have mentioned it, and i am mentioning it again, can you explain how working under strenuous conditions affects the result of the MRI? What kind of scientific bullshit is that? Innovative systems are not always 100% accurate, but an accuracy level of 99% is impressive. If you have a crop of 1000 players, and ten of them, whom are actually younger than 17 failed the test, the probability that you cannot get the same level of talented players in the 990, as you can in the 10 is very very low- Transcendental players aside. If in your effort to ascertain age and a very very small percentage of the talented ones fall through the cracks, that's alright. We work and survive in imperfect systems, occasional failures are not something you should frown on. They are things you should expect. That's normalcy. Moreso this one only fails 1% of the time. you have obviously run out of supports. Please just get on with something that actually needs your strength. There's no point in continuing this discussion. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:32am On Apr 26, 2020 |
benji93: I am going through your words and I see you adding nothing to the point. This is something I have looked into and tried to get a deep understanding. I did not and never frowned at the MRI. I am a very big supporter of it. Your assertion up there makes it look as if I or many Nigerians frown at the MRI. I have said it is something we have accepted. I have repeatedly said do not tag those that fail the test over aged. Why? Because of the accuracy is not 100%. It is good at screening out old players but young players get caught in the crossfire. Ndidi, growing up was smaller than his peers. I am pointing this out because you made a wild suggestion of Ndidi being 28, forgetting he grew up under the watch of a coach. The screenshot below shows it. Finally, I am okay with MRI screenings but I tried to understand why some young African players fail the test. If Maduabuchi Obinwa was not captured at birth, he would have been tagged an overage cheat. This changed my notion of failed MRI are age cheats. Ndidi's case sparked my curiosity because we lost a supposedly special talent in the U17 team because of the test. Today, Ndidi is one of the most hardworking players in World football, if not the most hardworking. He attributed this to the highly intense training he was put under a long period by Nduka Ugbade. That was where I drew my hypothesis and did some research. Physical activity on competitive level and the skeleton Today, there is compelling evidence indicating that physical activity affects the skeleton and the Bone Mineral Content (BMC) and Bone Mineral Density (BMD) in an anabolic way. The first study that addressed this hypothesis showed that athletes subjected to high load activities had 10–20% higher BMD compared to the controls. Further cross-sectional studies (note this is the MRI scan) supported this view when comparing the dominant and non-dominant arm in racket players, a study design that controlled for the genetic regulation of the BMC. The BMC was 25–35% higher among professional tennis players in the dominant arm compared to the non-dominant arm. Reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596740/ To give you a few enlightenment, the MRI scan is directly related to the development of the skeleton of the human body. Ndidi being smaller than his peers and then growing huge, defeats your wild idea of 28 years.
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 9:08am On Apr 26, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 9:40am On Apr 26, 2020 |
hoodedjaystrim: Ok you have said it yourself |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by hoodedjaystrim(m): 11:22am On Apr 26, 2020 |
Subzero047:That they didn't outplay us |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 11:29am On Apr 26, 2020 |
hoodedjaystrim: Ok |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chidi1: 12:11pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: Oga, the article you brought up to support your point bears no correlation to your assertion. Bone density has no relationship to joint fussion that occurs in kids. In layman's term the article says THE MORE YOU EXERCISE THE MORE YOU REDUCE YOUR CHANCE OF OSTEOPOROSIS. Also, there is currently NO test available that has a 100 percent specificity or sensitivity. All tests have false positives and/or negatives. You can only assume the validity of a test based on these numbers. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by CaptainStephen(m): 12:13pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
benji93:My neighbors 15 year nephew who came for screening failed that test, like the person goodjoe mentioned, he was born in the UK with accurate birth records. I remember people around who heard the news were all pissed. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:09pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:23pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
chidi1: What are you saying? I am showing that physical activities affects skeletal formation and the article states it in black and white. I wonder how you can decipher some thing else. This osteoid matrix calcifies by precipitating apatite crystals. Primary ossification centers only show minimal bone calcification density (BMD). The apatite crystal deposits are mostly irregular and structured like nets that are contained in the medullary and cortical regions. Mineralization occurs very quickly (several tens of thousands of millimeters per day) and can occur simultaneously in large areas. Reference: https://www.intechopen.com/books/osteogenesis-and-bone-regeneration/bone-development-and-growth The fusion of bones has to do with ossification and there is a direct relationship with calcification which BMD determines the degree. The MRI is directly related to ossification. So if physical activities affects BMD and Bone fusion is about calcification, how does the article not support my point? 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chidi1: 1:54pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: My man, don't argue on what you have no clue about. To use very basic layman's term, bone mass (the actual bone) is different from a joint (where two bones meet). Joint ossification and fusion occurs between 15-18 years of age for boys ( although there are outliners, but in about 99% of boys complete joint fusion occurs after age 17). Ossification (laying of bone mineral content to a cartilage, to convert it to bone) is one of the process involved in fusion of joints. I read the article. All participants of the study were over the age of at least 20. It cannot be correlated to early ossification and bone fusion. On the other hand, bone density refers to how thick a bone is. The article only says THE MORE YOU EXERCISE THE THICKER YOUR BONES ARE. In the context of OSTEOPOROSIS, we all loose bone mass the older we get (osteoporosis in layman's term is brittle porous bones; think old women with hunch back that break a bone after a fall). Men at baseline have THICKER bones than women, that is why osteoporosis is more common in women (women start their bone loss at a lesser bone density compared to men). This article can hence be inferred clinically to mean that with all the thick bone density acculated during your days of exercise, you are less prone to osteoporosis when you are older, as you start to loose bone mass. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:07pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
chidi1: Whether you are young or old, exercise affects bone development. Whether fusion of the shaft or wrists or any other joint. It is clear that exercise affects bone development. Simple. Finito. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chidi1: 2:20pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: I think you keep confusing bone and joint definitions. Natural fusion of joints occur ONLY in kids ( that is why you cannot grow taller than you are now). Older people only get THICKER bones by exercise , which is what was study infers. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:39pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
chidi1: Whether a child or adult, physical activity affects the skeleton. I did not post the study as a direct response to the answer but to point terms for understanding the bolded. The BMC and BMD are used in determining this. It is impossible for physical activity not to affect the fusion of bones in the wrists which is what the scan is about. An excerpt from an article. A child's skeletal system shows pronounced adaptive changes to intensive sports training. The growing skeleton is said to be more responsive than the mature skeleton to the osteotrophic effect of exercise. A potential problem with physical activity and exercise on the epiphyseal plates is over-activity. Reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194019/ My point posting the excerpts from articles is to show that physical activities affect bone development. Ndidi was under intense physical activity for a long time. There seems to be a relation between physical activities and fusion of bones. |
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