Amujale:

I cannot understand why some Binni people have a distain for Yoruba, eventhough they have a huge amount that we have in common.

Instead of you to swallow your pride and take your placw in history, some will try to thhrow unecessary tantrums.

If you feel so strong about not being connected to Yoruba, its very easy.

Go to the Nigerian Supreme Court and file a class action recinding all your cultural and linguistic ties to Yoruba; without that you just have to accept the facts and lets get on with our lives.

That being said, the slavetrade was invented by Arabs.

The history of slavery is a horrific campaign that lasted for over 2000 years.

Prior to the Arabian slavetrade, there was no such thing that existed on the African continent.

Slavery in the context of the African is tantamount to POW's. There was never ever a culture of slavery prior to the Arabian one.


Kindly, hear me out, i'm not here to defend anyone's neffaious activities, and that includes the Benin Kingdom but to make something absolutely clear, all the blame of the slave trades lies squarely at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The notion that Benin kingdom sold other Africans into to slavery is absurd and a diservice to history.

Noone is saying that certain rulers in the Benin Kingdom carries no blame, what we does know is that the traitors and defectors at that time have a diminished responsibility given the fact that they was tricked and that the Portugese carry all the blame.

There is a 2000 year history of slavery on the continent.

1)The Arabian also known as the The Transaharan

2)The Portuguese

3)The Transatlantic

All of these occured in the above particular order.

Its important to note that the history of slavery is tantamount to thr history of Christianity and Islam on the African continent.

How do we know that the Benin Kingdom have a diminished responsibility.

We know this because the culture of slavery is unAfrican, whereas the Portuguese made a career out of these type of criminal activities.

gregyboy:



Yoruba man

Benin had connections with yorubas which were recorded in history but With ife NO
That shit was made up in the 30s

gregyboy:

Yoruba man

Benin had connections with yorubas which were recorded in history but With ife NO
That shit was made up in the 30s

Amujale:
I cannot understand why some Binni people have a distain for Yoruba, eventhough they have a huge amount that we have in common.

Instead of you to swallow your pride and take your placw in history, some will try to thhrow unecessary tantrums.

If you feel so strong about not being connected to Yoruba, its very easy.

Go to the Nigerian Supreme Court and file a class action recinding all your cultural and linguistic ties to Yoruba; without that you just have to accept the facts and lets get on with our lives.

That being said, the slavetrade was invented by Arabs.

The history of slavery is a horrific campaign that lasted for over 2000 years.

Prior to the Arabian slavetrade, there was no such thing that existed on the African continent.

Slavery in the context of the African is tantamount to POW's. There was never ever a culture of slavery prior to the Arabian one.


Kindly, hear me out, i'm not here to defend anyone's neffaious activities, and that includes the Benin Kingdom but to make something absolutely clear, all the blame of the slave trades lies squarely at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The notion that Benin kingdom sold other Africans into to slavery is absurd and a diservice to history.

Noone is saying that certain rulers in the Benin Kingdom carries no blame, what we does know is that the traitors and defectors at that time have a diminished responsibility given the fact that they was tricked and that the Portugese carry all the blame.

There is a 2000 year history of slavery on the continent.

1)The Arabian also known as the The Transaharan

2)The Portuguese

3)The Transatlantic

All of these occured in the above particular order.

Its important to note that the history of slavery is tantamount to thr history of Christianity and Islam on the African continent.

How do we know that the Benin Kingdom have a diminished responsibility.

We know this because the culture of slavery is unAfrican, whereas the Portuguese made a career out of these type of criminal activities.


The notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is a narrative that we must refrain from pushing, if not for the sake of transparecy, then maybe we ought to think about potential reparations.


For instance, certain legal forces in the African Anerican sector are looking to take the US government to the World Court in order to claim there reparations.

The slavery that occured in Africa wasnt the same slavery that the Arabian fundementalist and Eurocentric warmongers practised.

African concept of slavery was tantamount to POW's

The Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentrics version was demonic and sadistic.

Amujale:
History is our responsibility, in certain cases we have to compromise for the greater good.

Most of my Binni friends love and respect their Yoruba history, my question to those minority members of the Binni community that think it nice to disrespect Yoruba culture at every given opportunity, who's side are you on?

Yoruba is an ethnicity, we will lose no sleep if we cut ties with you.

A word is enough for the wise.

gregyboy:



Are u insane yoruba history

Which benin people.....


Shut the trap

We came in contact with some yorubas not all and ife hapoeans not to be one of then

Amujale:
History is our responsibility, in certain cases we have to compromise for the greater good.

Most of my Binni friends love and respect their Yoruba history, my question to those minority members of the Binni community that think it nice to disrespect Yoruba culture at every given opportunity, who's side are you on?

Yoruba is an ethnicity, we will lose no sleep if we cut ties with you.

A word is enough for the wise.

samuk:


Benin have relationship in the past with various tribes that are now part of the bigger Yoruba tribe/ethnicity.

The Benin recognise their relationship with the various tribes from western Nigeria at various times in history.

Benin doesn't recognise a general relationship with the recently created larger Yoruba group.

There is very little to write about Benin/Ijebu relationship for example and an Ijebu person hiding under the name Yoruba to claim some relationship with Benin will be a lie.

Benin/Lagos relationship, Benin/Owo, Benin/Ekiti and Benin/Akure relationships are more grounded and have far more historical authenticity to them than Benin/Ife relationship that was fabricated in 1930.

Whilst the Benin acknowledges our various relationships with various Yoruba tribes, we will not accept and tolerate any historical fabrications with any group under the umbrella name of Yoruba.

If you are claiming Benin/Yoruba relationship, you have to be specific and not muddle things up. Benin doesn't and didn't have a general relationship with all Yoruba tribes.

Benin/Lagos relationship is seen as father and son relationship.

Benin/eastern Yoruba was filled with wars and bloodshed.

gregyboy:



Are u insane yoruba history

Which benin people.....


Shut the trap


We came in contact with some yorubas not all and ife hapoeans not to be one of then

TAO11:

There is no escaping your eternal servitude to your ancestral slave-masters.

And regarding Lagos, our first King is unrelated to Benin. Thief!

Amujale:



You are derranged and logic challenged

Riddle me this, where does the term 'Oba' originate?

samuk:


Benin have relationship in the past with various tribes that are now part of the bigger Yoruba tribe/ethnicity.

The Benin recognise their relationship with the various tribes from western Nigeria at various times in history.

Benin doesn't recognise a general relationship with the recently created larger Yoruba group.

There is very little to write about Benin/Ijebu relationship for example and an Ijebu person hiding under the name Yoruba to claim some relationship with Benin will be a lie.

Benin/Lagos relationship, Benin/Owo, Benin/Ekiti and Benin/Akure relationships are more grounded and have far more historical authenticity to them than Benin/Ife relationship that was fabricated in 1930.

Whilst the Benin acknowledges our various relationships with various Yoruba tribes, we will not accept and tolerate any historical fabrications with any group under the umbrella name of Yoruba.

If you are claiming Benin/Yoruba relationship, you have to be specific and not muddle things up. Benin doesn't and didn't have a general relationship with all Yoruba tribes.

Benin/Lagos relationship is seen as father and son relationship.

Benin/eastern Yoruba was filled with wars and bloodshed.

Amujale:


I aint claiming nothing.

One is simply following simple logic.

History isnt that hard to ascertain.

Eko predates Lagos.

What is the etymology for the term Eko?

In what language will we find the root word for Eko?

samuk:


The current Oba of Lagos doesn't mix words when claiming Benin ancestry and he is a very proud son of Benin. Even Lagos monarchy and traditional institutions don't recognise Ife but Benin.

Please remove the clogs from your ears and hear from the horse's mouth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

TAO11:


I have no problem with the Binis taking their kings as historians.

But for us, Akiolu is not a historian. He has only regurgitated one version of a popular story, not history.

And he issued a statement afterwards (having realized his bungle) to control his earlier bungle. He noted that only an idiot (like samuk) will say Lagos is not Yorubaland.

Even his own ancestry does not trace to Ashipa (the Ife).

His ancestry goes back to Ologun-Kutere, and from thence to Ilesha.

But does the Lagos dynasty have a relationship with the Benin dynasty? Yes!

But is the first King of Lagos a Bini indigene in any way shape or form? NO!

samuk:


I have written that Benin have relationship with various Yoruba groups, I didn't say anything about Lagos being or not being Yoruba. You are the one that have problems with simple comprehension because your brain has been eaten up by bigotry.

I should discard what Omoluabi, the Oba of Lagos said about himself and his people and believe what Omo-ale like yourself who is probably not from Lagos is saying.

TAO11:


Is this a way of admitting that the story popular among Binis that Ashipa (the first king of the present Eko dynasty) is a Benin indegene is a false story??

Otherwise you have to be clearer with what you're saying here.

samuk:


Incase you missed it. Please hear it from the horse's mouth, the Oba of Lagos himself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

samuk:

The land called Eko that is now populated by various Yoruba tribes due to the close proximity of their various states to Lagos was founded by Benin and the monarchy and traditional institutions are of Benin. The monarchy have his allegiance to Benin and not Ife the supposed cradle of the Yoruba race.

TAO11:


I have no problem with the Binis taking their kings as historians.

But for us, Akiolu is not a historian. He has only regurgitated one version of a popular story, not history.

And he issued a statement afterwards (having realized his bungle) to control his earlier bungle. He noted that only an idiot (like samuk) will say Lagos is not Yorubaland.

Even his own ancestry does not trace to Ashipa (the Ife).

His ancestry goes back to Ologun-Kutere, and from thence to Ilesha.

But does the Lagos dynasty have a relationship with the Benin dynasty? Yes!

But is the first King of Lagos a Bini indigene in any way shape or form? NO!

samuk:


Incase you missed it. Please hear it from the horse's mouth, the Oba of Lagos himself.

History is history as told by the people and not what you wish it to be. Are you the custodian of Lagos history. Are you one of the chiefs of Oba of Lagos, I guess not and as a result, your logic doesn't count.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

Edeyoung:


You need beating

Amujale:




The Awori were the first settlers of Eko.

The Awori are the people who first settled in Lagos with the Ijebu close to them towards the North and East and the Egbado close to them towards the North and West.

I don’t think there is anybody disputing that.

In fairness to the Oba of Lagos, I don’t think he’s saying any other group but the Awori are the owners of Lagos because there is no basis for saying that.

What he has been saying is that at some point in the history of Lagos — not when Lagos was founded as a human settlement, but many centuries later after Lagos had become a kingdom — people who first settled in these places were not kingdoms; we know that from Yoruba history.


We know it from the Edo history as well.

It was not until more than 3,000 years that kingdoms began to emerge among the Yoruba first, then among the Edo, and so on.

And it wasn’t until the kingdoms had existed for hundreds of years that the Edo had contact with the kingdom of Lagos and became involved in the royal family of Lagos.

TAO11:


I can hear Professor S. A. Akintoye's voice im your comment here. True? Lol.

Moving on, even in light of the fact that aboriginal Lagosians (i.e. the Aworis) later had their first contact with the Binis in the 1500s/1600s, [b]the claim of the Benin people today that the first King of Lagos (from thence) --- i.e. Ashipa --- was a Bini indegene is a capital FALSEHOOD.

Ashipa is well established in Lagos tradition as a Yoruba prince from Isheri of Ife royal descent.

Amujale:
There was an Awori kingdom in Lagos before any contact with the Bini.

The Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Urhobo, Nupe, Tiv, Igala, Idoma, and so on, from our archeological research and linguistic research, we believe that though all those peoples evolved along the banks of the Middle Niger up to the confluence with the Benue and that at some point in 5000-3000 BCE they began to spread out from there and gradually, the Yoruba, Edo, Nupe, Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Igbere evolved, and so on. People then went out roughly from 3000 to 1000 BCE, spread out and gradually occupied the country that became the Aro.

The Yoruba, which happened to be the largest of these groups, spread out roughly southwards and westwards and occupied what is now Yorubaland, from the Yoruba in Kogi, west of the Niger, that is, Lokoja — southwards, all the way to the coast, what is now the islands of Lagos and westwards into what is now Benin Republic, Togo Republic and even a little bit of Ghana.

Every group had its own homeland.


The Edo had its own homeland, a little smaller than that of the Yoruba, to the east of the Yoruba.

And there were no kingdoms; these were just people that were coming as agricultural communities, evolving and getting better.

The Yoruba started to evolve kingdoms; they ruled themselves by kingdoms and the first kingdom to be created was Ife.

From Ife, people went out and created other kingdoms.

The kings are not the creators of the people.

The people was (already) there.

So, it is not that the king is the owner of the people; the people was there. A prince would come from Ife, establish a kingdom among the people and become the king of the people.

TAO11:


I apologize if I've hurt your feelings.

Edeyoung:


https://www.nairaland.com/5826609/how-come-title-oba-became

Edeyoung:


Ok

https://www.nairaland.com/5826609/how-come-title-oba-became

TAO11:


"... some of the war prisoners sold by the Yorubas were prisoners captured from Benin Kingdom."

I knew those words right there would hurt you all really bad.

Anyways, let me know if you need some historical reference to the raids of Ibadan on parts of Benin Kingdom.

Cheers!