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gregyboy:
Yea, the benin obas used to own horses and dwarfs, were did the dwarfs go, did they get extinct or were they used for rituals....

The benue people local dish is pounded yam and thier soup

Horses are not found in rainforest regions so how did the oba ride in horses were did they get them from...

I think the Oghene is an igala man it took the effort of both the Portuguese and benin to defeat
Them

I believe benin is an offspring of igala people

Check this artwork

I belive this artwork relate to a northern person than igbo or yoruba

what are you even saying? Benin people are among the oldest in Western Africa. Don't downgrade us abeg..

And horses are won in battles and Edo people were mostly battle people

MelesZenawi:
I think at this point, you guys should call it a quit but few points has been established..

1. The history of Bini is not complete without the mention of Yorubas

2. The history of Yorubas aren't complete without the mention of of Binis.

3. Both without further argument has both ancestry more reason the argument draws longer and also points to one thing always

4. Both without bias are just brothers , same people just with different names.

5. Both are just one people , one blood and that's why it is hard to argue the matter.

Finally....Yoruba and binis are just blood brothers with different names due to age long movement.


Let the argument end as these facts has been established.

cc


gregyboy
TAO11
Samuk
geosegun
Hbrid99
davidnazee
AreaFada2
SilverSniper

when ancient civilisations with history are talking I believe you igbos shouldn't interfere..

You've no history or culture so I don't expect you to respect one.

Gregboy.. I have been observing your post and comment on this platform, Pls no offence you have distorting our history especially claiming dat our Oba was part of a conspiracy stuff with the yorubas kings.. And now recently claiming dat the oghene is in Igalla land... I ve been wondering were u get ur information frm but Pls stop it, opening of diff thread here on naira land will not validate anything not to talk of distorting our history... C I am proudly Edo from Okha in
Ikpoba okha afta bye pass in sapele Road... Pls Gregboy some of ur comment are tru but some others r not in line Bro... In the history of benin b4 British no ethnic group or Kingdom can lay claim to hve defeated Benin and we r knw 2 ve been great warriors always in battle so dat explain how d horses came into d empire, remember wen British defeat Benin dem also looted our art.. I mean no offence Bro

Dartilo:
Gregboy.. I have been observing your post and comment on this platform, Pls no offence you have distorting our history especially claiming dat our Oba was part of a conspiracy stuff with the yorubas kings.. And now recently claiming dat the oghene is in Igalla land... I ve been wondering were u get ur information frm but Pls stop it, opening of diff thread here on naira land will not validate anything not to talk of distorting our history... C I am proudly Edo from Okha in
Ikpoba okha afta bye pass in sapele Road... Pls Gregboy some of ur comment are tru but some others r not in line Bro... In the history of benin b4 British no ethnic group or Kingdom can lay claim to hve defeated Benin and we r knw 2 ve been great warriors always in battle so dat explain how d horses came into d empire, remember wen British defeat Benin dem also looted our art.. I mean no offence Bro

Your oba is from ile - ife what makes you believe so..

Am not saying we are igala am trying to draw some perception from different areas of our origin..........

And if its true benin migrated from igala are Going to kill yourself
Before coming here to judge my ascension did you probably reason were we migrated from
Or even have any answer to debate me.....


Look even if am edo i will say the truth even if it hurt...... If you are not here to bring variable documents then dont bother commenting

TheGodlessGod:
what are you even saying? Benin people are among the oldest in Western Africa. Don't downgrade us abeg..

And horses are won in battles and Edo people were mostly battle people

So do you mean benin people couldnt have one time had a migration from thier original birthplace..........

Am doing my research so as other scholars dont come here to form like you're the oba son
And a true benin......

SilverSniper:
TerraCotta, I apologize but I will have to delay my detailed response to your (very interesting) posts a little longer than I had anticipated, since something came up (in my personal life) that I need to work on that is taking me longer than expected. I found the quote you provided from Ward-Price's book about Christianity in Ife especially interesting, since it corresponds closely with something I had come across years ago in a book on Ife's past by M.A. Fabunmi. I should be able to post a response by Sunday.

Your reminder about the other place inspired me. Looking forward to your thoughts on this stuff though.

TheGodlessGod:
when ancient civilisations with history are talking I believe you igbos shouldn't interfere..

You've no history or culture so I don't expect you to respect one.

Igbos has nothing to discuss with Bini.

Face Yoruba that is ruling you guys.

A bini man also a Yoruba man. Only state of origin differs.

Juliusmalema:
Igbos has nothing to discuss with Bini.

Face Yoruba that is ruling you guys.

A bini man also a Yoruba man. Only state of origin differs.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:
I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

No need for external hands.

TAO11.

Come and educate your little blood brothers.

We suppose not to be meddling into Yorubas/Bini historical feuds. Brothers do fight sometimes.

Juliusmalema:
No need for external hands.

TAO11.

Come and educate your little blood brothers.

We suppose not to be meddling into Yorubas/Bini historical feuds. Brothers do fight sometimes.

Whilst we are waiting for the queen of copy and paste fabrications to come and save you guys the embarrassment of your fallacies.

The below is what I got from one of your Igbo brothers, what is your take on his contribution.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Portuguese were referring to Nri.

Eze Nri was like the pope of Igbo cultural and religious practicies and also a King of the ancient Nri territories of Enugwu-Ukwu, Agukwu, Enugwu-Agidi and Nawfia.

Ofo (which is the staff of office) will normally be issued out to Igbo kings, Benin Obas and Attahs of Igala, by the reigning Eze Nri who was the high priest.

In the olden days, every Oba of Benin and Attah of Igala, must also be made an Ozo title holder before they become proper candidates for any royal positions.

The thing is that people have no idea that Igbos were the principal civilizing influence in the dark ages. I hope one of these days, the full tale of Nri people will be revealed to the world.
Perhaps, about a hundred years ago, some British anthropologists asked the reigning Nri king which territories were under Nri influence. He mentioned towns including Aguleri and Idu (the way ancient Nri people referred to Edo/Bini people).
This Nri king had no idea Portuguese anthropologists had already been to Benin and found evidence of Nri overlordship of Benin, a few hundreds of years before.
Imagine if these Portuguese did not make this recording, today people will be accusing Nri people of chest-beating, but thank God these Portuguese people visited.

samuk:
Whilst we are waiting for the queen of copy and paste fabrications to come and save you guys the embarrassment of your fallacies.

The below is what I got from one of your Igbo brothers, what is your take on his contribution.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Portuguese were referring to Nri.

Eze Nri was like the pope of Igbo cultural and religious practicies and also a King of the ancient Nri territories of Enugwu-Ukwu, Agukwu, Enugwu-Agidi and Nawfia.

Ofo (which is the staff of office) will normally be issued out to Igbo kings, Benin Obas and Attahs of Igala, by the reigning Eze Nri who was the high priest.

In the olden days, every Oba of Benin and Attah of Igala, must also be made an Ozo title holder before they become proper candidates for any royal positions.

The thing is that people have no idea that Igbos were the principal civilizing influence in the dark ages. I hope one of these days, the full tale of Nri people will be revealed to the world.
Perhaps, about a hundred years ago, some British anthropologists asked the reigning Nri king which territories were under Nri influence. He mentioned towns including Aguleri and Idu (the way ancient Nri people referred to Edo/Bini people).
This Nri king had no idea Portuguese anthropologists had already been to Benin and found evidence of Nri overlordship of Benin, a few hundreds of years before.
Imagine if these Portuguese did not make this recording, today people will be accusing Nri people of chest-beating, but thank God these Portuguese people visited.

As far as he removes Bini from the story no matter who is lording over each other, I am okay by it.

Before tomorrow revisionist like you might twist the story. I just want Bini/Igbo stories phased out of this life.

Juliusmalema:
As far as he removes Bini from the story no matter who is lording over each other, I am okay by it.

Before tomorrow revisionist like you might twist the story. I just want Bini/Igbo stories phased out of this life.

You know that's impossible, what God have ordained can't be changed by man. Igbo will continue to remain part of Benin history till eternity.

Ife is Lucky, it only came into Benin history after 1897, but Igbo has been there for centuries.

Olaudah Equiano book of 1789, 102 years before the end of Benin empire, said Benin and Igbo were having a very loving relationship centuries back, before the British came to end the honeymoon, how would you change this narrative.

Juliusmalema:
No need for external hands.

TAO11.

Come and educate your little blood brothers.

We suppose not to be meddling into Yorubas/Bini historical feuds. Brothers do fight sometimes.

Hahahaha!

You too already know him to be a circus clown. Lol.

What you may not know about him, however, is that he is also an illiterate --- an insecure one at that.

I swear he hasn't read one book about Benin history.

To say I've refuted, debunked, and trashed him (and exposed him as fatuous lying illiterate) is actually an understatement.

samuk:
You know that's impossible, what God have ordained can't be changed by man. Igbo will continue to remain part of Benin history till eternity.

Ife is Lucky, it only came into Benin history after 1897, but Igbo has been there for centuries.

Olaudah Equiano book of 1789 said Benin and Igbo were have a very loving relationship centuries back, how would you change this narrative.

It can only be changed with time and by scholars. We can't predict time but certainly some histories has to be laid off to suit time and in consonance with situations on ground. Many things has happened and time passed and so we must not allow certain histories that might be injurious to us to let go.


We need to phase it out and people like that writer you quoted need to be called to order.

TAO11:
Hahahaha!

You too already know him to be a circus clown. Lol.

What you may not know about him, however, is that he is also an illiterate --- an insecure one at that.

I swear he hasn't read one book about Benin history.

To say I've refuted, debunked, and trashed him (and exposed him as fatuous lying illiterate) is actually an understatement.

Please educate and embarrass the illiterate with your vast knowledge and even deprive him of $1000 US dollars.

The Igbos and Yorubas can collaborate on this simple challenge.

You can't copy and paste your way out of this. Insults wouldn't help you either.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:
Please educate and embarrass the illiterate with your vast knowledge and even deprive him of $1000 US dollars.

The Igbos and Yorubas can collaborate on this simple challenge.

You can't copy and paste your way out of this. Insults wouldn't help you either.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Stop bringing Igbos into this. We don't want history of hunter/hunted. Chinua Achebe hates that.

Let Yorubas and binis shrug it out while we watch from horizon.

Biko stop drawing Igbos to the challenge.

Juliusmalema:
It can only be changed with time and by scholars. We can't predict time but certainly some histories has to be laid off to suit time and in consonance with situations on ground. Many things has happened and time passed and so we must not allow certain histories that might be injurious to us to let go.


We need to phase it out and people like that writer you quoted need to be called to order.

You are basically saying scholars will come and fabricate new history to change the old history.

That is what the Yoruba scholars have been doing with Benin history, that is why I throw up the challenge to them.

The truth is, fabricated, China made history can't stand the test of time, history are made and not fabricated.

samuk:
You are basically saying scholars will come and fabricate new history to change the old history.

That is what the Yoruba scholars have been doing with Benin history, that is why I throw up the challenge to them.

The truth is, fabricated, China made history can't stand the test of time, history are made and not fabricated.

Well, If possible for certain purposes. Igbos are Republicans and balanced to always allow views but it seems you guys now wants to rode on that for granted.

We aren't known for fabricating lies but it seems it needs to be adopted to re-write the hands of time.

Igbos needs history of them been alone and such history should be encouraged onwards.

Juliusmalema:
Well, If possible for certain purposes. Igbos are Republicans and balanced to always allow views but it seems you guys now wants to rode on that for granted.

We aren't known for fabricating lies but it seems it needs to be adopted to re-write the hands of time.

Igbos needs history of them been alone and such history should be encouraged onwards.

Igbo have their history. No one is saying Igbo doesn't have history, early Igbo history has Benin built in and if you want Igbo history without Benin, you will have to wait a bit longer because there are people and kings across Igbo land who are still claiming Benin ancestry.

samuk:
Please educate and embarrass the illiterate with your vast knowledge and even deprive him of $1000 US dollars.

The Igbos and Yorubas can collaborate on this simple challenge.

You can't copy and paste your way out of this. Insults wouldn't help you either.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Hey illiterate, there is only one reason why you don't know that S. Johnson's "The History of The Yorubas" is littered with mentions of "Ife", "Oduduwa", "Oranmiyan", "the Ife-Benin connection", etc.

Even your beloved Rouplell's account says Eweka is descended from Ife.


Read one book on Benin history today it will do you a whole good.


Having said that, provide me with any written mention of "Ekalderhan" from 1475 to 1930. I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown.

If you can't, then know that Ekaladerhan never existed.

Your idiocy must be obvious to you at this point.

samuk:
Igbo have their history. No one is saying Igbo doesn't have history, early Igbo history has Benin built in and if you want Igbo history without Benin, you will have to wait a bit longer because there are people and kings across Igbo land who are still claiming Benin ancestry.

No such ancestry is existing.

Well no need to go back and forth as time ticks even now.

Let the erudite disprove Ife sending emissaries to rule over Bini to this day.

TAO11:
Hey illiterate, there is only one reason why you don't know that S. Johnson's "The History of The Yorubas" is littered with mentions of "Ife", "Oduduwa", "Oranmiyan", "the Ife-Benin connection", etc.

Even your beloved Rouplell's account says Eweka is descended from Ife.


Read one book on Benin history today it will do you a whole good.


Having said that provide me any written mention of "Ekalderhan" from 1475 to 1930. I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown.

If you can't, then know that Ekaladerhan never existed.

Your idiocy must be obvious to you at this point.

Hmmmmmm


That's sound.

So samuk extra $1500 added.


I think Yorubas and Bini should call for cultural and historical confluence to Iron issues out.

Juliusmalema:
Hmmmmmm


That's sound.

So samuk extra $1500 added.


I think Yorubas and Bini should call for cultural and historical confluence to Iron issues out.

Very interesting, what are you still waiting for. Hopefully all the fabrications from the Yorubas will stop after this.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Hi Juliusmalema:

You may want to see link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/5834711/benin-ife-history-1000-challenge#89188523

Still waiting to hear from him

The Yoruba told us that the Benin people had a fantastic relationship with Ife since 1180AD.

When the European started visiting Benin from 1475 up till 1897, the Benin completely forgot to tell the various Europeans that documented Benin history about Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan. Some of these Europeans were resident in Benin for years. They never saw or hear anything about Benin/Ife relationship. They never saw any message from Benin to Ife or from Ife to Benin.

The Benin remembered to tell the Europeans about everyone else except Ife. Various rulers and people were spoken about and recorded but Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are missing from the Benin history books and European archives of Benin history between 1475 to 1897.

In 1897, after the fall of the Benin empire, the Benin suddenly woke up and realised that there was one small and very important detail about their history they haven't told anyone for 400 years. That is the Benin/Ife relationship.

Why did Benin forget this very important father and son relationship between Benin and Ife for over 400 years. Was it because there was no relationship in the first place or the Benin were just too busy decimating, conquering, colonising and killing every rebellious rulers around them and in far away lands.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:
The Yoruba told us that the Benin people had a fantastic relationship with Ife since 1180AD.

When the European started visiting Benin from 1475 up till 1897, the Benin completely forgot to tell the various Europeans that documented Benin history about Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan. Some of these Europeans were resident in Benin for years. They never saw or hear anything about Benin/Ife relationship. They never saw any message from Benin to Ife or from Ife to Benin.

The Benin remembered to tell the Europeans about everyone else except Ife. Various rulers and people were spoken about and recorded but Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are missing from the Benin history books and European archives of Benin history between 1475 to 1897.

In 1897, after the fall of the Benin empire, the Benin suddenly woke up and realised that there was one small and very important detail about their history they haven't told anyone for 400 years. That is the Benin/Ife relationship.

Why did Benin forget this very important father and son relationship between Benin and Ife for over 400 years. Was it because there was no relationship in the first place or the Benin were just too busy decimating, conquering, colonising and killing every rebellious rulers around them and in far away lands.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

I didn't expect you to openly admit in your own words to being humiliated on your own inane challenge.

The conversation is however there as the internet doesn't forget. It's summary went as follows:

You: 
I need a writing not later than 1897 showing the names "Oduduwa, "Ife", "Oranmiyan", etc.

Me:
S. Johnson's work was completed in writing by 1897, and it's littered with these names.

You: 
Eeeerm ... (#scratches head#) ... It wasn't typed and printed until afterwards.

Me:
I won't say a word.  

Having been humiliated by your own challenge, here is a challenge for you for 2500 whopping dollars.

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.



Having said that, João de Barros, Duarte Pacheco Percira, Manuel de Figueirdo, Dierick Ruiters, and Alonso de Sandoval all wrote in the early1500s and the 1600s about the King whom the Binis regard as Oghene who was an overlord to your Benin kings.

Scholars of Benin history, examining those early European writings, conlude unanimously that this Oghene is none other that the Ooni of Ife:

The following are scholars who examined those European writing, and have reached that same conlusion:

Stoll (1902), Roth (1903), Marquart (1913), Talbot (1926), Schurhammer (1928), P. Marti (1960), Mauny (1961), R. Bradbury (1964), I. Akinjogbin (1967), R. Law (1973), F. Willett (1973), A. Obayemi (1976), R. Horton (1979), R. Thompson, H. Drewal, S. Blier, S. Akintoye, et al.


But according to samuk, all these experts of African history are all LyInG.

TAO11:
I didn't expect you to openly admit in your own words to being humiliated by your own inane challenge.

The conversation is however there as the internet doesn't forget. It's summary went as follows:

You: 
I need a writing not later than 1897 showing the names "Oduduwa, "Ife", "Oranmiyan", etc.

Me:
S. Johnson's work was completed in writing by 1897, and it's littered with these names.

You: 
Eeeerm ... (#scratches head#) ... It wasn't typed and printed until afterwards.

Me:
I won't say a word.  

Having been humiliated by your own challenge, here is a challenge for you for 2500 whopping dollars.

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.



Having said that, João de Barros, Duarte Pacheco Percira, Manuel de Figueirdo, Dierick Ruiters, and Alonso de Sandoval all wrote in the early1500s and the 1600s about the King whom the Binis regard as Oghene who was an overlord to your Benin kings.

Scholars of Benin history, examining those early European writings, conlude unanimously that this Oghene is none other that the Ooni of Ife:

The following are scholars who examined those European writing, and have reached that same conlusion:

Stoll (1902), Roth (1903), Marquart (1913), Talbot (1926), Schurhammer (1928), P. Marti (1960), Mauny (1961), R. Bradbury (1964), I. Akinjogbin (1967), R. Law (1973), F. Willett (1973), A. Obayemi (1976), R. Horton (1979), R. Thompson, H. Drewal, S. Blier, S. Akintoye, et al.


But according to samuk, all these experts of African history are all LyInG.

You tried your best but all your references were after 1897, so you failed yet again on this attempt. You can try again.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:
You tried your best but all your references are after 1897, so you failed yet again on this attempt. You can try again.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Challenge For You for a whooping $2500:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

TAO11:
Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Challenge For You for a whooping $2500:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her way out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:
Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her way out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

I'm not sure why you need more hands in this beffitting burial I'm giving you. So you can claim this as a case of child abuse? 


Anyways, the challenge for you is still open:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.aid that.

In case you're not only an illiterate, but also partially amnesiac, scroll up same thread to see how I humiliated you on your moronic challenge.

TAO11:
I'm not sure why you need more hands in this beffitting burial I'm giving you. So you can claim this as a case of child abuse? 


Anyways, the challenge for you is still open:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.aid that.

In case you're not only an illiterate, but also partially amnesiac, scroll up same thread to see how I humiliated you on your moronic challenge.

I dont know which part of Yoruba you are from but I will like to ask you this:
Please can you provide me an historical account from your own oral or written tradition with timeline when Ife was Lord and master over your own Yoruba kingdom of origin. If you are not from Ife you must be from another Yoruba kingdom. If Ife was Lord over the greatest Kingdom (Benin Kingdom) during the period Benin Kingdom was judged to be powerful, then Ife surely will be Lord over Yoruba Kingdoms during that period too.. So can you give me a detailed account showing Ife as Lord over your Yoruba kingdoms.
Please don;t say Yorubas descended from Ife, that is not the same as Ife ruling Yoruba kingdoms.. I believe we can provide historical accounts showing Oyo ruling over many Yoruba kingdoms, accounts showing British rule over African kingdoms and also a lot of rich details of Great Benin ruling over Yoruba kingdoms.. Please give me details of Ife ruling over your own Yoruba kingdom of Origin..
I'm still trying to understand how Ife that all historical account shows was a small and decayed village from 12th century onwards and whose acclaimed glory was already a whisper and myth as at 12th century was a powerful kingdom..

davidnazee:
(1) I dont know which part of Yoruba you are from but I will like to ask you this:
Please can you provide me an historical account from your own oral or written tradition with timeline when Ife was Lord and master over your own Yoruba kingdom of origin. If you are not from Ife you must be from another Yoruba kingdom. If Ife was Lord over the greatest Kingdom (Benin Kingdom) during the period Benin Kingdom was judged to be powerful, then Ife surely will be Lord over Yoruba Kingdoms during that period too.. So can you give me a detailed account showing Ife as Lord over your Yoruba kingdoms.
Please don;t say Yorubas descended from Ife, that is not the same as Ife ruling Yoruba kingdoms.. I believe we can provide historical accounts showing Oyo ruling over many Yoruba kingdoms, accounts showing British rule over African kingdoms and

(2) also a lot of rich details of Great Benin ruling over Yoruba kingdoms.. Please give me details of Ife ruling over your own Yoruba kingdom of Origin..

(3) I'm still trying to understand how Ife that all historical account shows was a small and decayed village from 12th century onwards and whose acclaimed glory was already a whisper and myth as at 12th century was a powerful kingdom..

(1)(a). I can't type in Edo language, I would have made the following easier for you to read. You may, however, hire a cheap interpreter/translator for the purpose of reading the quote below to you:

"During the era of Ife's greatest historic power, the twelfth to fifteenth centuries C.E., its influence spanned eastward to The Niger River and westward to what is today's southern Togo*."

Reference:
S.P. Blier, Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c.1300, 2010, p.2..

If you know anything about Nigeria map, then you should have realized, at this point, that your little Benin Kingdom lies within this expanse of Ife's influence.

Moreover, during this period (12th to 15th centuries) your little Benin Kingdom is hardly a force to reckon with even among Edo speaking peoples.

Ewuare who brought Benin to limelight didn't begin to reign until towards the end of the 15th century. Argue with your Benin chronology.

(b). Having said that, I am not sure if you're partially amnesiac, or you're simply a mythomaniac who has a very strong believe in his own ability to lie.

I say this because just a few days ago, you directed a similar inane question to me, and you brought forward a screenshot of an article as your evidence.

It turned out that the screenshot fails to say what you wish it says. It also turned out that the article (from which you got your own screenshot) has the following to say:

"Phase 2. ("900A.D. - 1450A.D.")
Ife emerged as a power in the region after the main wave of Yoruba expansion and cultural differentiation."

Reference: 
Robin Horton, "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (JUNE 1979), p.140..

See the link below for a reminder of the humiliation you endured before finally fleeing quietly:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

(2). The only rich details I remeber at the moment is of how Ibadan invaded territories of Benin Kingdom, raided them for slaves, and sacked many of the settlements there within Benin Kingdom. Don't you remember this rich details?? Or isn't it rich enough?


(3). Although historical accounts say otherwise as can be seen from the two independent references cited above, I would however love to see you cite from only one of your so-called "all historical account [which] shows [Ife] was a small and decayed village from 12th century onwards".

This shouldn't be too difficult for you considering that only one of these davidnazeestorical-sources is what I request.

It seems to be hightime you're finally freed from your schizophrenia, and let go of your imaginary playmates who, during play time, inform you of these "all historical account".