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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky:
freshboi88:
This one is running....u no dey go anywhere. I go chuck this truth inside ur yansh today ODE!!!!!


@CANTICLES.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given. Will the child be called Mighty God or Servant ....which one did the Isaiah call him?...

Mighty God or Mighty Servant ?
Freshboi is DISHONEST & cherry picking.... grin

Isaiah calls the Son both- Servant/Mighty God.
(Hebrew El-Gibbowr) ", it doesn't prove shishi ! grin

Yahweh Himself also calls men and angels Elohim (God).


Psalms 82:6
"I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you"


Freshboi, make you answer this Questions:
We know the Father of that "Mighty God",
Who be the Father of Yahweh ? grin
Yahweh is a Servant of whom? grin

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 7:00pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
I agree from the verse u quoted that Isaiah called him Servant. Did he also call him God....Yes or No?
OUR GOD is not a servant .

Isaiah call him God, the same way bible called angels God. Do you know the angel that fought with Jacob was called God ?

God is not the subject here but the proclamation " OUR GOD " . Revelation 7:9 emphasizes that Jesus is not our God , he himself said it.

Well done bro @Canticles
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 7:01pm On May 05, 2020
CANTICLES:
Your voice is getting low , what went wrong grin grin , Did Jesus lied that ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS when there are TWO PERSONS that knows ?


Guy, you are making Jesus a lie with your tradition.
I wonder for freshboi88 . he still can't answer this till now.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:14pm On May 05, 2020
Janosky:
Isaiah 9:6 calls the Son "Mighty God (Hebrew El-Gibbowr) ", it doesn't prove shishi ! grin
Yahweh Himself also calls men Elohim (God).


Psalms 82:6
"I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you"

Freshboi, make you answer this question:
We know the Father of that "Mighty God",
Who be the Father of Yahweh ? grin grin
New World Translation----Jehovah Witness Bible
Palsm 82: 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.

C this MUMU. Y did u dump Ur translation and carry one translation that no one recognizes.

Notice that Jehovah Witness Bible says "ye are gods". Small letter g. To differentiate between the God [ELOHIM] and other gods(men).
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:17pm On May 05, 2020
Jozzy4:
OUR GOD is not a servant .

Isaiah call him God, the same way bible called angels God. Do you know the angel that fought with Jacob was called God ?

God is not the subject here but the proclamation " OUR GOD " . Revelation 7:9 emphasizes that Jesus is not our God , he himself said it.

Well done bro @Canticles
When i say u people don't have sense, u will argue with me.

I asked @CANTICLES a question, let him ansa me.


Did Isaiah call Jesus Mighty God?....Yes or No?.....

If any of u cannot answer a simple question the. Ya all are cowards
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:22pm On May 05, 2020
Jozzy4:
I wonder for freshboi88 . he still can't answer this till now.
U have woken from your slumber. I no wan Jump go Holy Spirit yet. If the mumu @CANTICLES ansa my yes or no question atleast we can conclude an argument. I know that's JW style of dragging arguments, moving from one to another. Not with me

New International Version
A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Who is the our God referred to in this passage.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 7:26pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
When i say u people don't have sense, u will argue with me.

I asked @CANTICLES a question, let him ansa me.


Did Isaiah call Jesus Mighty God?....Yes or No?.....

If any of u cannot answer a simple question the. Ya all are cowards
Confused Dullard! cheesy

Spirit sons of God are Mighty! Psalms 82:1

Moses was God! Exodus 7:1

Of course Isaiah called Jesus Mighty God but Jesus is not the Almighty God! wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:30pm On May 05, 2020
Maximus69:
Confused Dullard! cheesy

Spirit sons of God are Mighty! Psalms 82:1

Moses was God! Exodus 7:1

Of course Isaiah called Jesus Mighty God but Jesus is not the Almighty God! wink
New International Version
A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Did Isaiah refer to Jesus as our God?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:39pm On May 05, 2020
Maximus69:
Confused Dullard! cheesy

Spirit sons of God are Mighty! Psalms 82:1

Moses was God! Exodus 7:1

Of course Isaiah called Jesus Mighty God but Jesus is not the Almighty God! wink
Exodus 7:1 Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God.

According to Maximus69 logic

If my venza looks like a G-wagon
Then
Venza=G-wagon.

Guy u dull....nah shit full Ur brain
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:40pm On May 05, 2020
@Janosky @CANTICLES

New International Version
A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Did Isaiah refer to Jesus as our God?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:46pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
New World Translation----Jehovah Witness Bible
Palsm 82: 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.

C this MUMU. Y did u dump Ur translation and carry one translation that no one recognizes.

Notice that Jehovah Witness Bible says "ye are gods". Small letter g. To differentiate between the God [ELOHIM] and other gods(men).
Hebrew language is in Big Capital Letters...... For instance,YHWH....
Only English has dichotomy of big and small letters.....

Freshboi MUMU Na Top Level.... showcase him MUMU brain and LIENUS...

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 7:59pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
New International Version
A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Did Isaiah refer to Jesus as our God?
You're only stubborn for nothing! cheesy

The Bible said
"Jehovah was going ahead of the his people" but it was an angel that represented him! Exodus 13:21 compare to 14:19

So when God's word said Elijah will come and prepare the way ahead of Jehovah, it's the same angel who represented Jehovah during the time of Moses that Malachi was referring to. And it's none other than Michael (Jesus) {Daniel 12:1} it was this same Michael that buried Moses! Jude 9

Michael have been representing Jehovah so whenever Jehovah speaks as if he is coming in person, it's Michael (Jesus) his only begotten son that always represent him! smiley

Calm down ogbeni let's educate you! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:03pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
Exodus 7:1 Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God.

According to Maximus69 logic

If my venza looks like a G-wagon
Then
Venza=G-wagon.

Guy u dull....nah shit full Ur brain
That's the rendering of your translation, some translation renders it this way

"I make you God to Pharaoh"

So it's laziness that's worrying you, i've compared several versions of the Bible to make sure of what God's word said! wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:04pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
When i say u people don't have sense, u will argue with me.

I asked @CANTICLES a question, let him ansa me.


Did Isaiah call Jesus Mighty God?....Yes or No?.....

If any of u cannot answer a simple question the. Ya all are cowards
Isaiah called Jesus " El Gibboa" Mighty God . even humans are called El Gibboa but translators changed it. U see you have no point ?


That he was called a servant should have opened ur mumu eyes that Jesus is not our God. He himself even said it
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:06pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
@Janosky @CANTICLES

New International Version
A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD Yahweh ; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Did Isaiah refer to Jesus as our God?
Fixed.
Isaiah didn't call Jesus OUR GOD. He called Yahweh our God.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:08pm On May 05, 2020
freshboi88:
U have woken from your slumber. I no wan Jump go Holy Spirit yet. If the mumu @CANTICLES ansa my yes or no question atleast we can conclude an argument. I know that's JW style of dragging arguments, moving from one to another. Not with me

New International Version
A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Who is the our God referred to in this passage.
I know u ran away from that holy spirit question . continue ... Your lies are exposed already
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:13pm On May 05, 2020
Maximus69:
That's the rendering of your translation, some translation renders it this way

"I make you God to Pharaoh"

So it's laziness that's worrying you, i've compared several versions of the Bible to make sure of what God's word said! wink
He is very lazy .
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:19pm On May 05, 2020
funny people una try
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:34pm On May 05, 2020
Rozz:
funny people una try
To be frank, what exactly does he stand to gain from arguing blindly? cheesy

Even Celestial Church of Christ (CCC) knew that Michael is the spirit (angel) that always represent JEHOVAH!

Before they say anything in their prayer they'll say

Jehovah (the most high God)
Jesu kristi (Jesus Christ)
Mikeli Mimo (holy Michael)


They're saying this because it's clear from the scriptures that Michael has been the only angel who always represent Jehovah.

But they can't explain in details the correlation between these three persons!

Of course there are just two persons "Jehovah the only true God and Jesus (Michael) his only begotten son" John 17:3

So because all the churches of Christendom had to explain their own version of the TRINITY, CCC erroneously concluded that Michael is the holy spirit! grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:38pm On May 05, 2020
Rozz:
funny people una try
Help yourself and LEARN !
No pastorpreneur will explain the holy Bible free of charge to you in such detail as JWs have done on this thread.....

Shalom.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:42pm On May 05, 2020
Janosky:
Help yourself and LEARN !
No pastorpreneur will explain the holy Bible free of charge to you in such detail as JWs have done on this thread.....

Shalom.
I actually did learn and still learning,its quite interesting
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:50pm On May 05, 2020
Rozz:
I actually did learn and still learning,its quite interesting
What freshboi88 failed to realize is that the more JWs he encounter the more he'll notice how lacking members of his RCCG are in quoting and correlating scriptures!

Let him go and meet members of his church, this has been a great lesson for him if he truthfully love the truth.

Because no member of his church can stand scriptural debates, they'll simply say "i can't argue the word of God" but the fact remains that they can't defend their beliefs with the scriptures! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:01pm On May 05, 2020
Maximus69:
What freshboi88 failed to realize is that the more JWs he encounter the more he'll notice how lacking members of his RCCG are in quoting and correlating scriptures!

Let him go and meet members of his church, this has been a great lesson for him if he truthfully love the truth.

Because no member of his church can stand scriptural debates, they'll simply say "i can't argue the word of God" but the fact remains that they can't defend their beliefs with the scriptures! cheesy
Funny he actually put forward some verses as well.una try.weldone sir
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:08pm On May 05, 2020
Rozz:
Funny he actually put forward some verses as well.una try.weldone sir
Even my uncle who was a native priest knows how to quote the Bible in support of his voodooism.
But he can't explain the practical application of what he is doing nor how it is benefiting adherents of his voodoo! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:24pm On May 05, 2020
Maximus69:
Even my uncle who was a native priest knows how to quote the Bible in support of his voodooism.
But he can't explain the practical application of what he is doing nor how it is benefiting adherents of his voodoo! cheesy
let me just laugh in peace
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:00pm On May 05, 2020
Jozzy4:
Fixed.
Isaiah didn't call Jesus OUR GOD. He called Yahweh our God.
Biblical illiterate. I pity. JW has put Ur brain under Ur armpit

Who is a way been made for?......Jesus or Yahweh?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:02pm On May 05, 2020
Jozzy4:
Isaiah called Jesus " El Gibboa" Mighty God . even humans are called El Gibboa but translators changed it. U see you have no point ?


That he was called a servant should have opened ur mumu eyes that Jesus is not our God. He himself even said it
Humans are not called Mighty God. Lair!!!!!!.....

Isaiah called Jesus Everlasting Father??....are humans called Everlasting Father too?...

This answer will put sense into ur empty head
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:07pm On May 05, 2020
Maximus69:
That's the rendering of your translation, some translation renders it this way

"I make you God to Pharaoh"

So it's laziness that's worrying you, i've compared several versions of the Bible to make sure of what God's word said! wink
BETWEEN YOU AND LIE MUHAMMED I no know who lie pass.

U compared different translations and didn't see your own Jehovah Witness translation

NWT. (Jehovah Witnesses Bible)
Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God* to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.

Your own Bible says like God. Y r u twisting the word of God. To what gain and purpose?....To win an argument!?.....God hates pride man
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 12:38am On May 06, 2020
freshboi88:
Humans are not called Mighty God. Lair!!!!!!.....

Isaiah called Jesus Everlasting Father??....are humans called Everlasting Father too?...

This answer will put sense into ur empty head
grin grin

EL (God in Hebrew language) means "Mighty One" , Gibbowr = Mighty one, Valiant etc.
--------++++++++++++++++++++++
Everlasting Father and Last Adam gives everlasting life to mankind and replaces their human Father, ( First Adam) who had given death to mankind.
Romans 5:12. 1 Corint 15:20-22,45-47.

Freshboi88.......

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by ublight: 2:42am On May 06, 2020
Maximus69:
To you Jehovah's Witnesses' interpretation contradicts God's word.

But they're the one and only organization producing the fruit of God's holy spirit like LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS KINDNESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in our society.

It was so obvious that everyone, everytime and everywhere are saying Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE amongst themselves! John 13:34-35

Well i prefer their interpretation that's why i left Islam for their faith! Matthew 5:14-16 smiley
jw girls can fornicate o.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:02am On May 06, 2020
freshboi88:
BETWEEN YOU AND LIE MUHAMMED I no know who lie pass.

U compared different translations and didn't see your own Jehovah Witness translation

NWT. (Jehovah Witnesses Bible)
Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God* to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.

Your own Bible says like God. Y r u twisting the word of God. To what gain and purpose?....To win an argument!?.....God hates pride man
It's not about how one Bible translate it my guy it's grasping the context!

It simply means Moses has become a God but he was permitted to act as God by the Almighty, so that Pharaoh and his people could grasp that Moses is representing the most powerful spirit being.
So if all the Gods in Egypt including their king who was also revered as a God could be rendered helpless before Moses then it means Moses who speaks and nothing deters his pronouncement is a God in their midst!

Sir that was exactly the same purpose Jesus served when he walked through the land of Israel, no wonder Isaiah referred to Jesus as Emmanuel! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:04am On May 06, 2020
ublight:
jw girls can fornicate o.
Well i've also heard of many Virgins in their midst even now that virginity is no more taken seriously! smiley
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