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Maximus69:
Well i've also heard of many Virgins in their midst even now that virginity is no more taken seriously!

oga na hear u dey hear, u never see. Anything virginity u hear and cant see na audio virginity o. Me i dey see dem well. Infact i been wan yan one story, byt make i free am. I do not kiss and tell.

ublight:
oga na hear u dey hear, u never see. Anything virginity u hear and cant see na audio virginity o. Me i dey see dem well. Infact i been wan yan one story, byt make i free am. I do not kiss and tell.

My friend, when i said i've heard it doesn't mean hearing per say, it involves verification!

I was a Muslim before i join the group and i've seen many cases where JW groom's families takes gifts items like life goat or ram to the parents of the bride several days after their wedding, so i began asking questions regarding this tradition.

Then i was made to understand that it happens when the bride is found a virgin!

Ever since then i've been watching them closely to be sure if it's just their normal custom, until i later discovered that some don't do it!

So don't just think every JW you meet preaching and teaching God's word in the group grew up from their midst just to support their own religion, i was a staunch Muslim before i began listening to them after hauling insults, abuses even threaten to assault their members physically.

But today i'm always grateful to them for their persistence back then!

Maximus69:
My friend, when i said i've heard it doesn't mean hearing per say, it involves verification!

I was a Muslim before i join the group and i've seen many cases where JW groom's families takes gifts items like life goat or ram to the parents of the bride several days after their wedding, so i began asking questions regarding this tradition.

Then i was made to understand that it happens when the bride is found a virgin!

Ever since then i've been watching them closely to be sure if it's just their normal custom, until i later discovered that some don't do it!

So don't just think every JW you meet preaching and teaching God's word in the group grew up from their midst just to support their own religion, i was a staunch Muslim before i began listening to them after hauling insults, abuses even threaten to assault their members physically.

But today i'm always grateful to them for their persistence back then!

guy me i know promiscous ones here. I even get personal experience. U no dey hear me? I do not mean the ones that stopped, i mean those that are actively knacking.

Maximus69:
It's not about how one Bible translate it my guy it's grasping the context!

It simply means Moses has become a God but he was permitted to act as God by the Almighty, so that Pharaoh and his people could grasp that Moses is representing the most powerful spirit being.
So if all the Gods in Egypt including their king who was also revered as a God could be rendered helpless before Moses then it means Moses who speaks and nothing deters his pronouncement is a God in their midst!

Sir that was exactly the same purpose Jesus served when he walked through the land of Israel, no wonder Isaiah referred to Jesus as Emmanuel!

Ur bible says Moses was made like God to Pharaoh.

You say Moses was made God.

In what context does this two mean same thing?...your context not mine.

New World Translation----Jehovah Witness Bible
Isaiah 10:21 Only a remnant will return,
The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.+

U know say I like to make Una dey mumu unasef

Pls in verse 21.....Who is the Mighty God that the verse refers to?

Nah Ur own Bible I dey use now o. So no more complain of translation ....copied from JW.org
Jehovah, Jesus, Moses, Angel Micheal?

ublight:
guy me i know promiscous ones here. I even get personal experience. U no dey hear me? I do not mean the ones that stopped, i mean those that are actively knacking.

I'm not doubting you my guy!

Notice that i never scold you for talking out of point, because what you're saying has no correlation with the thread nor my comment that you quoted, but you freely spoke your own mind!

What i'm saying is there are many virgins amongst them. Of course they're also humans having feelings like anyone else, so don't think like a child my guy you need to grow up. God's word never said there won't be fornicators or adulterers amongst Christians.
What God promised is PEACE amongst his worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

It's God's Kingdom (Paradise) that will not accommodate sinners, that's why those who knew and acknowledged themselves as sinners are trooping into Jehovah's Witnesses Organization for the cure! Revelations 22:17

Apostle Paul mentioned fifteen works of the flesh {Galatians 5:19-21} as long as we still live in the flesh and amongst people who see nothing wrong in those things we will be influenced to imitate them at times, but as times go on if we do not tire out we will wash our robes clean in the blood of the lamb! Revelations 7:13-14

Gradually God's people as a group is cultivating the fruitage of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} and most people like me have testified to it amongst them, but that doesn't implies that they're all cured of Adamic sin yet!

What God's word promised as sign to note amongst his people is LOVE {John 13:34-35 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4}

If there is no sinner in their midst won't you be scared?

That's the sign to show you that they're not robots but each one of them is working hard to put on the new personality! Ephesians 4:24

God bless you!

freshboi88:
Ur bible says Moses was made like God to Pharaoh.

You say Moses was made God.

In what context does this two mean same thing?...your context not mine.

New World Translation----Jehovah Witness Bible
Isaiah 10:21 Only a remnant will return,
The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.+

U know say I like to make Una dey mumu unasef

Pls in verse 21.....Who is the Mighty God that the verse refers to?

Nah Ur own Bible I dey use now o. So no more complain of translation ....copied from JW.org
Jehovah, Jesus, Moses, Angel Micheal?

Sorry it's not my Bible Sir, it's the copy of Bible i often use!

So i compare and contrast, meditate on the practical application and how it's working out what is benefitial before i conclude on the concept Sir!

Maximus69:
I'm not doubting you my guy!

Notice that i never scold you for talking out of point, because what you're saying has no correlation with the thread nor my comment that you quoted, but you freely spoke your own mind!

What i'm saying is there are many virgins amongst them. Of course they're also humans having feelings like anyone else, so don't think like a child my guy you need to grow up. God's word never said there won't be fornicators or adulterers amongst Christians.
What God promised is PEACE amongst his worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

It's God's Kingdom (Paradise) that will not accommodate sinners, that's why those who knew and acknowledged themselves as sinners are trooping into Jehovah's Witnesses Organization for the cure! Revelations 22:17

Apostle Paul mentioned fifteen works of the flesh {Galatians 5:19-21} as long as we still live in the flesh and amongst people who see nothing wrong in those things we will be influenced to imitate them at times, but as times go on if we do not tire out we will wash our robes clean in the blood of the lamb! Revelations 7:13-14

Gradually God's people as a group is cultivating the fruitage of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} and most people like me have testified to it amongst them, but that doesn't implies that they're all cured of Adamic sin yet!

What God's word promised as sign to note amongst his people is LOVE {John 13:34-35 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4}

If there is no sinner in their midst won't you be scared?

That's the sign to show you that they're not robots but each one of them is working hard to put on the new personality! Ephesians 4:24

God bless you!

Sir, let me quickly remind you that it was your statement about the CONDUCT of your people that made me veer off the topic. You claimed their conduct is exemplary, but you did not make any exemptions. That is why i had to correct that notion cos i know that every sect has people who are morally upright and those who are not.

sonmvayina:
Our goal on Earth is to move humanity forward,but you guys dwelling and believing in myths ..is not really helping anybody, is it?

u sound interesting. I would like to hear more of this ur doctrine, unfortunately i might end up making u disbelieve what u already believe.

ublight:
Sir, let me quickly remind you that it was your statement about the CONDUCT of your people that made me veer off the topic. You claimed their conduct is exemplary, but you did not make any exemptions. That is why i had to correct that notion cos i know that every sect has people who are morally upright and those who are not.

Hmmmmmmmm, i perfectly understood you my guy!

Of course you will find both nice and wicked, decent and indecent people in any society, but it's only in the midst God's people that you can find LOVE, JOY and PEACE!

I have been to many places and the only group that will welcome their members even though they never met before is Jehovah's Witnesses!

They're like a global family, they've swept all their differences into the trash, there is no racial prejudice that can make them deny their Christian brothers and sisters, you're not safe as a members of any group if you're not in the midst your own blood relations once there arise any racial dispute, but anywhere Jehovah's Witnesses may be on this planet as long as they're in the midst of their members they feel at home because they will never support any race against another!

That's one thing you can't find in any religious group except in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses (the one and only TRUE Christian group). Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to John 13:34-35, 17:20-23

God bless you!

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm, i perfectly understood you my guy!

Of course you will find both nice and wicked, decent and indecent people in any society, but it's only in the midst God's people that you can find LOVE, JOY and PEACE!

I have been to many places and the only group that will welcome their members even though they never met before is Jehovah's Witnesses!

They're like a global family, they've swept all their differences into the trash, there is no racial prejudice that can make them deny their Christian brothers and sisters, you're not safe as a members of any group if you're not in the midst your own blood relations once there arise any racial dispute, but anywhere Jehovah's Witnesses may be on this planet as long as they're in the midst of their members they feel at home because they will never support any race against another!

That's one thing you can't find in any religious group except in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses (the one and only TRUE Christian group). Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to John 13:34-35, 17:20-23

God bless you!

Sir, i am glad u now see that we never had a disagreement concerning how u guys welcome urselves.

ublight:
Sir, i am glad u now see that we never had a disagreement concerning how u guys welcome urselves.

That's the one and only mark Jesus said will help interested individuals identify his true followers (God's people)!

As a Muslim i tried different groups claiming Muslims (true believers) to find such love but there is none. Until i found what i so much hungered for all my life in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses!

So if you claim Christian but members of your group can't welcome you anywhere you go as their family member the same way Jehovah's Witnesses does, then something is wrong somewhere!

Maximus69:
That's the one and only mark Jesus said will help interested individuals identify his true followers (God's people)!

As a Muslim i tried different groups claiming Muslims (true believers) to find such love but there is none. Until i found what i so much hungered for all my life in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses!

So if you claim Christian but members of your group can't welcome you anywhere you go as their family member the same way Jehovah's Witnesses does, then something is wrong somewhere!

Mr. Please do not push this fact too far. I did not expect to be discussing this again. Are you saying that there are no other social clubs out there where one can be welcomed if he travels to a different city where such clubs are located? If there are, then does this mean they represent Christ, even when they clearly do not belive in Christ?

ublight:
Mr. Please do not push this fact too far. I did not expect to be discussing this again. Are you saying that there are no other social clubs out there where one can be welcomed if he travels to a different city where such clubs are located? If there are, then does this mean they represent Christ, even when they clearly do not belive in Christ?

You need to wake up my guy!

No social club will protect you in the face of racial prejudice, once it's about Hausa against Yoruba or Igbo against Yoruba or Nigeria against Ghana, even the most powerful cult on this planet will deny you as a brother!

Maximus69:
You're quick to condemn people instead of calmly reasoning to know what they're saying!

Jehovah's Witnesses don't condemn you or any other person. What we're saying is "your faith that's not working out fine qualities amongst you people is DEAD" James 2:18-26 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

Take for instance your daddy GO and his co~pastors under the same Organization, using charms against one another because of position, prominence and money.

What Jehovah's Witnesses are saying is
"if such is happening within them, then it's not the spirit of our God that's operating in their group" Galatians 5:19-21

you dare talk charms, when a jw fellow used charms on his elder brother to inherit the only land they were supposed to share?
Another jw fellow went to get charms on her inlaw who revealed that she was a LovePeddler in the past?

Like i said every religion has the good, bad, and ugly.

Maximus69:
You need to wake up my guy!

No social club will protect you in the face of racial prejudice, once it's about Hausa against Yoruba or Igbo against Yoruba or Nigeria against Ghana, even the most powerful cult on this planet will deny you as a brother!

a jw woman murdered her husband in rumudara 2007. She was suspecting infidelity. So much for a peace loving people. U need to wake up to realize that it is just a matter of individual variation.
A roman catholic brother whom i met on facebook housed me in F.U.T.O when i was doing pre degree, for an entire year. He is igbo, and i am not. Till today we are still best of friends. I just met the guy on a group on facebook.

Guy wake up. No be only jw dey show love.

ublight:
you dare talk charms, when a jw fellow used charms on his elder brother to inherit the only land they were supposed to share?
Another jw fellow went to get charms on her inlaw who revealed that she was a LovePeddler in the past?

Like i said every religion has the good, bad, and ugly.

That's common in every group on planet earth, one thing that God's people have that no other group can't is the strong bond amongst them.

For sure Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus for money, Peter denied Jesus three times, he even denied his fellow Christians in the presence of Paul, a Christian in Corinth slept with his father's young wife and so on but that doesn't notify the fact that if you're not one of them you will perish!

So it's not a matter of flimsy cases that's found anywhere but what you can't find elsewhere "the strong bond"!

Maximus69:
That's common in every group on planet earth, one thing that God's people have that no other group can't is the strong bond amongst them.

For sure Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus for money, Peter denied Jesus three times, he even denied his fellow Christians in the presence of Paul, a Christian in Corinth slept with his father's young wife and so on but that doesn't notify the fact that if you're not one of them you will perish!

So it's not a matter of flimsy cases that's found anywhere but what you can't find elsewhere "the strong bond"!

so y making it look like na only rccg dey use charms, even though i dislike their doctrine, i know that there are good folks there too

ublight:
a jw woman murdered her husband in rumudara 2007. She was suspecting infidelity. So much for a peace loving people. U need to wake up to realize that it is just a matter of individual variation.
A roman catholic brother whom i met on facebook housed me in F.U.T.O when i was doing pre degree, for an entire year. He is igbo, and i am not. Till today we are still best of friends. I just met the guy on a group on facebook.

Guy wake up. No be only jw dey show love.

How many places have you been?

How many ethnic conflicts have you seen?

Well i've seen many cases where JWs will stiff their necks to save their members during conflict, the Catholic that house you never did so based on faith Sir, he did so because you are black like himself and both of you met in the land of white skinned people!

Having carefully followed this thread from the beginning to this point, i am really disappointed. None of the parties involved can do a proper bible exegesis.

I commend the freshboi for all his effort, but he needs to study more and well before jumping into matters like this. The jw's made him look like a joke.

I was born into a family filled with jw's. Infact my dad's elder brother was an elder there, but his wife murdered him in 2007 like i said earlier. I have other uncles who cannot fault how i explain the scriptures even though they are jw's. Infact my step cousins wife, a member of jw from birth now sits at my feet to learn doctrine. My step cousin is just too proud to do same, but he has no qualms with his wife learning from me.

I love the jw's a lot, there are things that they know that many others don't. If only churches would stop the fun fare and razmataz, and learn doctrine, they would go far. However, there is a mighty flaw in their doctrine.

I do not claim to be infallible, i still learn daily. But listen, what you guys did here is no where near sound doctrine. Both parties are greatly flawed.

Before you drag me into this war, let me state here that i am not a keypad warrior. My doctrine is for those i knock on their doors to preach to, not for some argument on nairaland.

Freshboi, u did a good job standing alone for the major part of the argument, that is commendable. Please my guy, study more i beg u.

Bless u all.

Maximus69:
How many places have you been?

How many ethnic conflicts have you seen?

Well i've seen many cases where JWs will stiff their necks to save their members during conflict, the Catholic that house you never did so based on faith Sir, he did so because you are black like himself and both of you met in the land of white skinned people!

based on faith or color doesn't matter, he did what you wouldnt do.

ublight:
so y making it look like na only rccg dey use charms, even though i dislike their doctrine, i know that there are good folks there too

There are members of JWs that use charm to achieve what they want nah, that's normal human trait but the Organization doesn't support that, it's what what normal human everywhere do think he/she could use to fight and get what he wants just like physical weapons, many use sex to get what they want and so many other things.

What i'm saying is God's holy spirit will not allow leaders of God's people to start fighting over material possessions like what is happening in rccg!

Maximus69:
There are members of JWs that use charm to achieve what they want nah, that's normal human trait but the Organization doesn't support that, it's what what normal human everywhere do think he/she could use to fight and get what he wants just like physical weapons, many use sex to get what they want and so many other things.

What i'm saying is God's holy spirit will not allow leaders of God's people to start fighting over material possessions like what is happening in rccg!

Sir, these pastors are also human beings trying to get what they want using charms. Are they not human beings again? Or have the become God since they are pastors? Same way a normal believer can walk in the flesh is the same way a pastor can do so too.

ublight:
Sir, these pastors are also human beings trying to get what they want using charms. Are they not human beings again? Or have the become God since they are pastors? Same way a normal believer can walk in the flesh is the same way a pastor can do so too.

You are right my guy!

But you can only finds members of JWs fighting over material possessions that is personal NOT doing so because of the money dedicated to pure worship! Matthew 6:24

Adeboye and other leading Pastors of RCCG are at war over what supposed to be dedicated to God!

So if those leading the group are fighting over material things which were contributed to support pure worship, how are they going to control members not to do the same over material things?

Maximus69:
You are right my guy!

But you can only finds members of JWs fighting over material possessions that is personal NOT doing so because of the money dedicated to pure worship! Matthew 6:24

Adeboye and other leading Pastors of RCCG are at war over what supposed to be dedicated to God!

So if those leading the group are fighting over material things which were contributed to support pure worship, how are they going to control members not to do the same over material things?

i get your drift Sir. Matterialism is now the drive for many ministers

ublight:
i get your drift Sir. Matterialism is now the drive for many ministers

this is one of the areas i cannot fault jw.

Maximus69:
Sorry it's not my Bible Sir, it's the copy of Bible i often use!

So i compare and contrast, meditate on the practical application and how it's working out what is benefitial before i conclude on the concept Sir!

Ur response did not answer my question.

Who is the Mighty God that the remant of Isreal would return to?


Jehovah or Jesus or Moses?

ublight:
Having carefully followed this thread from the beginning to this point, i am really disappointed. None of the parties involved can do a proper bible exegesis.

I commend the freshboi for all his effort, but he needs to study more and well before jumping into matters like this. The jw's made him look like a joke.

I was born into a family filled with jw's. Infact my dad's elder brother was an elder there, but his wife murdered him in 2007 like i said earlier. I have other uncles who cannot fault how i explain the scriptures even though they are jw's. Infact my step cousins wife, a member of jw from birth now sits at my feet to learn doctrine. My step cousin is just too proud to do same, but he has no qualms with his wife learning from me.

I love the jw's a lot, there are things that they know that many others don't. If only churches would stop the fun fare and razmataz, and learn doctrine, they would go far. However, there is a mighty flaw in their doctrine.

I do not claim to be infallible, i still learn daily. But listen, what you guys did here is no where near sound doctrine. Both parties are greatly flawed.

Before you drag me into this war, let me state here that i am not a keypad warrior. My doctrine is for those i knock on their doors to preach to, not for some argument on nairaland.

Freshboi, u did a good job standing alone for the major part of the argument, that is commendable. Please my guy, study more i beg u.

Bless u all.

Oga if u do not have an input in this matter, abeg shut up!!!!!.....Let those who fight for what they believe in do so.

freshboi88:
Oga if u do not have an input in this matter, abeg shut up!!!!!.....Let those who fight for what they believe in do so.

sincere apologies sir

ublight:
this is one of the areas i cannot fault jw.

That's my point Sir!

If you want to struggle for material things you can do that OUTSIDE the congregation of God, but don't ever think that you're coming in to make money from God's work, Jesus said it was commissioned for free so it's no money making venture!

ublight:
sincere apologies sir

Never mind my guy, that's how people feel hurt when their self esteem is humbled!

freshboi88:
Ur response did not answer my question.

Who is the Mighty God that the remant of Isreal would return to?


Jehovah or Jesus or Moses?

Jesus (Michael) served as a mighty God but he is not the Almighty God Sir!

He's God's son so he is also a mighty spirit being and he once served as God!

Isaiah could rightly say this spirit son of God

"will be called Mighty God"

So Jesus will be called

note that by the time Isaiah was saying this he meant the person in question is NOT God yet Sir!

That's why John could say "he WAS God" NOT he is God!

Because Jesus has finished serving that purpose, presently he is serving as a King having authority over all those born again Christians that will go and serve as Kings and Priests in heaven! Revelations 20:4-6

Calm down Mr freshboi88 from RCCG, let us school you!

freshboi88:
Humans are not called Mighty God. Lair!!!!!!.....

Re read the quote, this time calmly

" Isaiah called Jesus " El Gibboa" Mighty God . even humans are called El Gibboa but translators changed it. U see you have no point ? "

Do u deny the same "El Gibboa" translated Mighty God at Isaiah 9:6 was applied as to human beings ?

To avoid confusion so people won't call humans Gods, the English translators change it but the Hebrew says humans are EL GIBBOA just as Isaiah 9:6

Can u deny that ?


You are still a kid in this things , u know very little.

Isaiah called Jesus Everlasting Father??....are humans called Everlasting Father too?...

an Everlasting Father that has A Father that beget/produce him , yes ?
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