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Barristter07:

Nature means Essence if you dont know , so you are speaking a rubbish. He who partake In Gods nature ,partake in Gods Essence




Question is: IF CHRIST PARTAKING HUMANITY MAKE HIM FULLY HUMAN, DO YOU CORRESPONDINGLY AGREE THAT PARTAKING OF GODS NATURE MAKE ONE FULLY GOD

freshboi88:
Hebrew 10:21 clarifies how u try to manipulate scripture. It says we partake in his holiness. That's clears your misinterpretation.

New World Translation
25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.i
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Who is the palsmist referring to?

Barristter07:
You are trying to run . I won't allow that.

Back to the matter.

it says they partake in GODS NATURE, not just holiness. GODS NATURE. Dont forget you already said ONLY GOD can Gave GODS NATURE. It means those Christians are GODS !!!

Barristter07:
You are trying to run . I won't allow that.

Back to the matter.

it says they partake in GODS NATURE, not just holiness. GODS NATURE. Dont forget you already said ONLY GOD can Gave GODS NATURE. It means those Christians are GODS !!!

Barristter07:
You are roping yourself.

Christians sharing in GODS NATURE proves that GODS NATURE wasn't their original nature but was added . and like Christ was FULLY HUMAN when given humanity nature, this Christians were FULLY GOD when GODS NATURE was given to them.

Its clear enough.

Barristter07:
There is something called " Main point " . the main point that stands out is partaking a nature make you fully one.

Jesus partaking Human nature makes him FULLY HUMAN, this is the point needed. As for retaining his other nature, Its totally irrelevant to this discussion, I wonder what he emptied before partaking human nature which he became FULLY

From Christ is no longer human to Christ was never human . By Christ is no longer human, Do you mean Christ is no more an human being?

Back to your post.

Christ sharing in humanity MAKE HIM HUMAN , irrespective of the purpose, Agree ??. To which the above verse agrees when it days the son became FLESH and BLOOD ( Human being ) , So also sharing in GODS NATURE make those Christians GOD.

You can't eat your cake and have it , both are partaking a nature. What applies to A , applies to B

Emusan:
In your wildest imagination not the main point.

The content of Heb 2:14 clearly shows that Christ sharing in humanity makes Him fully HUMAN whereas the content of 2Peter 1:4 not even you demonic translation shows that those Christians sharing FULL divine nature.

So it's you deluded people who intentionally cling to SHARING MUST BE EQUAL FULLY



Makes HIM FULLY HUMAN according to the content of that verse, show us where the content of Christians sharing divine nature signifies FULLY DIVINE NATURE!



It's not today I know you lack simple comprehension.

MY Points are:
1[b]. Christ was never a human being scripture already told us His nature which is GOD'S FORM[/b]
2. For death to be defeated, Christ partakes/share/become HUMAN because that's was the only way He can defeat Death.
3. Even though He shared/partook/became HUMAN, this doesn't make Him to loose His first FORM He existed in.
4. Using energy as analogy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be transformed from one FORM/NATURE to another FORM/NATURE

Transforming energy from one state/form to another doesn't change the fact that it's still energy.

That's my point!



Firstly, you get yourself more confused by only concentrate on one part of my post and neglect the other part.

Firstly, it's you and your deluded brother who EQUATE the sharing to be the same thing while my own point has been on the content of each verses.

Secondly, You cherry pick the part that suit you in my post and then forcing your delusion on my statement.

Lastly, since you're forcing your delusion on my statement, let's even assume I go with you, then[b] do you agree with my second part of my statement that sharing in humanity by Christ still made Christ to retain His original NATURE? [/b]which then means those Christians too will still retain their HUMAN NATURE!

Let me see how you want to go about it!

Emusan:
In your wildest imagination not the main point.

The content of Heb 2:14 clearly shows that Christ sharing in humanity makes Him fully HUMAN whereas the content of 2Peter 1:4 not even you demonic translation shows that those Christians sharing FULL divine nature.

it's you deluded people who intentionally cling to SHARING MUST BE EQUAL FULLY

Makes HIM FULLY HUMAN according to the content of that verse, show us where the content of Christians sharing divine nature signifies FULLY DIVINE NATURE!

It's not today I know you lack simple comprehension.

MY Points are:
1. Christ was never a human being scripture already told us His nature which is GOD'S FORM

2. For death to be defeated, Christ partakes/share/become HUMAN because that's was the only way He can defeat Death.
3. Even though He shared/partook/became HUMAN, this doesn't make Him to loose His first FORM He existed in.
4. Using energy as analogy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be transformed from one FORM/NATURE to another FORM/NATURE

Transforming energy from one state/form to another doesn't change the fact that it's still energy.

That's my point!

Firstly, you get yourself more confused by only concentrate on one part of my post and neglect the other part.

Firstly, it's you and your deluded brother who EQUATE the sharing to be the same thing while my own point has been on the content of each verses.

Secondly, You cherry pick the part that suit you in my post and then forcing your delusion on my statement.

Lastly, since you're forcing your delusion on my statement, let's even assume I go with you, then do you agree with my second part of my statement that sharing in humanity by Christ still made Christ to retain His original NATURE?

which then means those Christians too will still retain their HUMAN NATURE!
Let me see how you want to go about it!

Emusan:
In tiny brain



The funny thing is how you people just cherry pick whatever you want, and this you people do not only to the scripture but to a post too.

So do you then agree that this Christians still retain their HUMAN NATURE since you want to force your statement on my own?

because after cherry pick the part that suit you in my post you neglected the other part!

Emusan:
ONLY GOD CAN HAVE THE NATURE OF GOD

Having God's nature means you're God just as having human nature means you're a human!

Barristter07:
2Pet 1:4

" Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the divine nature, "

Does 2Pet 1:4 says small divine nature ? It says THE DIVINE NATURE fully!!!

The question remains: Do you accept they are EQUAL TO GOD FOR HAVING THE VERY NATURE OF GOD.

It didn't say small divine nature . dont act silly. In fact that they have it alone destroys your noises here.

Christians receive the same promises to be in GODS FORM. Are they Equal to God?

@Red , he emptied himself before taking another nature. Lie diligently.

Which content when it clearly says THE DIVINE NATURE ? Are u kidding ?

The Word BECAME Flesh.

Christ emptied his divine nature before taking human nature

FACT: These Christians receive the promise to have THE VERY NATURE OF GOD . are they Equal to GOD ?

Barristter07:
I dont know Emusan is still perambulating , We see Humans receiving the promise of having Gods nature. Then do you accept they are GOD ??

Trinity aff scatter ..

Emusan:
Liar scripture didn't say "receiving the promise of HAVING GOD'S NATURE" that's your own addition to the scripture for your evil consumption.

Do you accept they will still be human having share of the divine nature?

Rozz:
its confusing sef,theres always a verse to counter another verse from both sides.

Emusan:
Liar scripture didn't say "receiving the promise of HAVING GOD'S NATURE" that's your own addition to the scripture for your evil consumption.

Do you accept they will still be human having share of the divine nature?

Emusan:
Liar the verse says PARTAKER/SHARE not HAVING/POSSESS/BECOME

This is the same point that your tiny brain failed to grab, that's why you keep equating the Heb 2:14 with 2peter 1 both are describing different issue but since you must cherry pick scripture then your problem continues.



Does the verse say, they will become God?

That's is the point!

Heb 2:14 emphatically says, Christ sharing in humanity is to BECOME Human!

Did 2peter 1:4 says the same thing about those people?

Again to EXIST IN GOD'S FORM IS TO BE GOD!



They SHARE/PARTAKER not FULLY BECOME....

Just to let you know that both Heb & Peter are describing different issue!





So if Christ emptied the divine nature, was the divine nature died or still exist while He became human?

Or simply put, what actually happened to the divine nature He emptied?

The Christians only SHARE/PARTAKE not BECOME...

I didn't even have time to explain the content of that 2 Peter 1 because I know it's just a waste of precious time.

Emusan:
Liar the verse says PARTAKER/SHARE not HAVING/POSSESS/BECOME

This is the same point that your tiny brain failed to grab, that's why you keep equating the Heb 2:14 with 2peter 1 both are describing different issue but since you must cherry pick scripture then your problem continues.

Does the verse say, they will become God?

That's is the point!

Heb 2:14 emphatically says, Christ sharing in humanity is to BECOME Human!

Did 2peter 1:4 says the same thing about those people?


Again to EXIST IN GOD'S FORM IS TO BE GOD!

They SHARE/PARTAKER not FULLY BECOME....

Just to let you know that both Heb & Peter are describing different issue!


So if Christ emptied the divine nature, was the divine nature died or still exist while He became human?

Or simply put, what actually happened to the divine nature He emptied?


The Christians only SHARE/PARTAKE not BECOME...

I didn't even have time to explain the content of that 2 Peter 1 because I know it's just a waste of precious time.

Maximus69:
Please let him be, they thought Christianity is all about being heady when they can't even apply what they're teaching to benefit themselves! Isaiah 48:17-18

So they feel bad seeing Jehovah's Witnesses enjoying the benefits of God's holy writings. Most of them wish you're their members as versatile as you're to be in their Church, because they know for sure that in their Churches there are no strong and efficient Bible students like Jehovah's Witnesses but follow follow and mOrons who just go there to sing and clap hands for their magic practicing priests they call "Pastors"!

Janosky:
When Manual Labourers embark on Weeding with a fresh member working with them, Emusan says the fresh member is just a partaker /sharer, he is not a Manual Labourer

Barristter07:
You are not intelligent.

Heb 2:14 says Adams Children are Partakers of human nature , Do they BECOME HUMAN ?



DIVINE NATURE is GODS FORM. This makes those Christians GODS as well.




Another BLUNDER !!!

Hebrew 2:14 reads

" Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood , he also himself in like manner partook of the same; "

Two VOCAL POINTS

- The Children are sharers of human nature , DO THEY BECOME HUMAN ?? Very vital question.

freshboi88:
New World Translation
25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.i
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

U guys all ran away from answering this.


Who is the palsmist referring to?

Don't be afraid to answer mine

Who laid the foundation of the world?.......

Barristter07:
You are not intelligent.

Heb 2:14 says Adams Children are Partakers of human nature , Do they BECOME HUMAN ?

DIVINE NATURE is GODS FORM. This makes those Christians GODS as well.

Another BLUNDER !!!

Hebrew 2:14 reads

" Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood , he also himself in like manner partook of the same; "

Two VOCAL POINTS

- The Children are sharers of human nature , DO THEY BECOME HUMAN ?? Very vital question.

Emusan:
As I said earlier, 2peter 1 doesn't say they BECOME/HAVING/POSSESS divine nature that one comes from your tiny brain.

What you're trying to do here is to give the word 'SHARE' the same meaning in the scripture without considering the content, something I'm very sure you won't dare try when another issue arises.

That's why I do say JWs and hypocrisy are like 5&6


This also makes those Christians still retained their ORIGINAL FORM as well.

I can see how you stylishly boycotted my question about what happened to the FORM JESUS EMPTIED?

As I always say, you people lack scriptural understanding and what you need is Bible study not online miscreant.

The word translated as SHARER/partaker in Heb 2:14 is 'Koinoneo'
Meaning : To share with others (objectively or subjectively) :-communicate, distribute, be partaker.

While the word translated as PARTAKER/SHARE in 2peter 1 is 'Koinonos'

Meaning: a sharer, i.e associate :- companion, X fellowship, partaker, partner.

From here it's evident that both Heb 2:14 and 2 Peter 1:4 didn't convey the same message but brainwashed JWs want it to be the same.

My question still remains, what happened to the form Jesus emptied or what do you understand by He emptied Himself?

Maximus69:
Genesis chapter 1:1-31 Answers that!

Jehovah God laid the foundation by giving orders to his only begotten son who was acting on those instructions!

Most religions teaches that God was just talking and everything was happening as we keep reading "let this be like this or let it be like that" {Genesis 1:3-25} but verse 26 made us to understand that Jehovah God was instructing someone {Proverbs 8:22-31}

Thanks!

Emusan:
Frustration has started!



As I said earlier, 2peter 1 doesn't say they BECOME/HAVING/POSSESS divine nature that one comes from your tiny brain.

What you're trying to do here is to give the word 'SHARE' the same meaning in the scripture without considering the content, something I'm very sure you won't dare try when another issue arises.

That's why I do say JWs and hypocrisy are like 5&6



This also makes those Christians still retained their ORIGINAL FORM as well.

I can see how you stylishly boycotted my question about what happened to the FORM JESUS EMPTIED?



As I always say, you people lack scriptural understanding and what you need is Bible study not online miscreant.

The word translated as SHARER/partaker in Heb 2:14 is 'Koinoneo'
Meaning : To share with others (objectively or subjectively) :-communicate, distribute, be partaker.

While the word translated as PARTAKER/SHARE in 2peter 1 is 'Koinonos'

Meaning: a sharer, i.e associate :- companion, X fellowship, partaker, partner.

From here it's evident that both Heb 2:14 and 2 Peter 1:4 didn't convey the same message but brainwashed JWs want it to be the same.

My question still remains, what happened to the form Jesus emptied or what do you understand by He emptied Himself?

freshboi88:
Oh good!....I'm glad we can both agree on that.

But there's just one detail that shows that you are lying


Hebrew 1:
8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]

10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11[b] They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[/b]

You say psalm 102 was a prayer to Jehovah

But what does Jehovah say about the Son?

He says :


“In the beginning, Lord Yahweh , you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands

Jehovah says Jesus made the heavens and the earth with the works of his hands!!!!!.......

People who claim to be Jehovah Witness think they know the scripture more than Jehovah himself. They call Jehovah a liar

freshboi88:
Oh good!....I'm glad we can both agree on that.

But there's just one detail that shows that you are lying


Hebrew 1:
8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]

10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11[b] They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[/b]

You say psalm 102 was a prayer to Jehovah

But what does Jehovah say about the Son?

He says :

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands

Jehovah says Jesus made the heavens and the earth with the works of his hands!!!!!.......

People who claim to be Jehovah Witness think they know the scripture more than Jehovah himself. They call Jehovah a liar

Maximus69:
By their FRUIT you will know them!

freshboi88:
I have answered u.

Hebrew 12:10. King James Version
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.



New International Version
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

How are we to participate in divine nature because we have escaped the corruption in could. We have overcome sin and evil desires and so we are called to holiness

This is what heb 12:10 confirms

Hebrew 12:10. King James Version
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

I am not scared to answer my own question.



New World Translation
25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.i
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Who is the palsmist referring to?

Don't be afraid to answer mine

freshboi88:
10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.


Jehovah says Jesus laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the work of his hands

It is not my truth.it is what Jehovah says..read it, it is in your bible

CANTICLES:
Fixed. U can have sense now. You have been thoroughly deceived by those who removed Gods name and replace with Lord. Its a shame, u deserves to be pitied