MrPresident1:
Ecclesiastes 3:16
And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

...under the sun the place of judgment

benjanjo1:


ogbeni rest jare! you couldn't answer a simple question of how the salvation that Christ offers fits into the reincarnation narrative you are pushing. The theology that you are developing is faulty

MrPresident1:


You believe that Jesus is coming from space, right?

benjanjo1:



I don't believe Jesus is coming from space, but I believe in the second coming of Christ. You are not a Christian! plainly state what fringe religion you practice

MrPresident1:

Let's kick some balls.
Do you accept the Bible as infallible, do you agree with it absolutely?

benjanjo1:


bros answer the one wey we ask you first!

MrPresident1:


OK. Since I gave a simple explanation and you did not get it, I need to know your thoughts on the Bible as I do not want to cast pearls before swine. Also, I do not want to provide cannon fodder for idiots to attack God's children with.

So, tell me, do you agree that the Bible is infallible and you accept it wholly and absolutely as the Word of God?

benjanjo1:



you gave no explanation, but simply side stepped the question.

Anyway... I accept the Bible is infallible and wholly and absolutely the word of God.

now, let me see what you will say

MrPresident1:


Good. Please re-ask your question now

benjanjo1:



like I suspected...

you have no reasonable explanation to offer simply because your theology is faulty.

nairaland religion section is a den of loonies running amok with all sorts of heretic teachings; deceiving themselves and the gullibles misguided enough to be led astray.

I suggest you have a rethink about the nature of spirituality you are practicing, because it is certainly not Christianity

MrPresident1:


Please kindly re-ask your question

bigfrancis21:


You created this topic but have you been around dying people before or witnessed dying people at their last moments? Even if no other piece of evidence exists, I’ve witnessed, firsthand, dying people around me, my late mother and grandmother inclusive, and they all seem to suddenly be happy at where they were going to at the point of death and they are nearly always never willing to return to earth.

There is an afterlife (several realms of it), brother. Christian heaven and brimstone hellfire don’t exist. However, Christians call the afterlife Heaven. Fine if they do so. Several realms exists in the afterlife and the way you lived your life on earth according to the concept of unconditional love determines each soul’s placement in the afterlife.

It may be hard to believe or get your head around this but the Bible isn’t all that accurate. The afterlife is starkly different from what is portrayed in your bible. I’m sorry to say this and it may be hard to swallow this pill. It takes a lot to break away from the religious conditioning we all went through from birth but it is inevitable if you are willing to.

Finally, read up on near death experiences. You probably have heard of them before. Recent medical advances especially in the west have made it possible to resuscitate otherwise failing hearts etc and keep the body alive to enable their souls return to them if possible. These are also firsthand stories of the afterlife and I implore you to read them as well. Anyone who thinks that all universal truths start and end in their religious books is doing themselves a great disservice.

MrPresident1:


This afterlife, is it reincarnation or once dead one just goes to this otherworldly afterlife realm?

bigfrancis21:


Once dead. Remember, life on earth is a temporary existence. We don't belong here. We take up human bodies temporarily for the purpose of growing and learning.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1268770/life-after-death-immortal-infinite-life-what-happens-when-you-die-nde

MrPresident1:
Heaven is the leading ruling nations of the world. presently, America and UK have the highest fatalities from the covid-19 disease. This is further proof of the fact that the coronavirus has been used to achieve the Mathew 24:30 prophecy.

America and UK the Anglo-American world power that is at the helm of affairs of this present world; they are the heaven of the world in collaboration with the countries of western Europe.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

We have seen the sign of the son of man in heaven. It is the crisis and death precipitated by the covid-19 crisis.

The next thing that will happen will make all the tribes of the earth to mourn, and Christ will come

MrPresident1:


You're saying a created soul lives only once, right?

MrPresident1:


bigfrancis21

bigfrancis21:


No bro, life is a cycle of improvements until the soul graduates from the rebirth cycle.

MrPresident1:


So how are you sure that your late mother and grandmother are not returning or will not be reincarnating?

bigfrancis21:


Everybody's life journey is different and people reincarnate according to their needs and lessons, if any, yet to be learned. In the afterlife, there are sometimes 'soul groups' i.e. souls who have shared past life incarnations together and prefer to stay together. Or souls who are at the same level of growth/consciousness (i.e young souls, baby souls, old souls etc). Sometimes, they choose to incarnate together to continue their collective earthly experiences and if during the course of a lifetime, some exit earth before the others, those already dead may not reincarnate immediately and may choose to wait until any remaining member still in the flesh crosses over before their next incarnation, if any. In some cases, they often tend to exit earth at the same time or within short time-frames of each other's exit. My mom and grandma may reincarnate again depending on their soul needs/records, which is usually only available to each soul upon crossing over. One thing I do know for sure, my mom and I are soulmates. Our connection goes way back before this lifetime.

After death, each soul undergoes a life review. This is referred to as 'judgment day' in Christendom. However, this isn't the judgmental 'did you believe in me/send you to heaven or hell' by some angry God sitting on some chair. It is a loving, non-judgmental review of the life just lived, usually by a group of highly evolved spirit guides/souls, to see if the soul achieved their set purposes for that life, if lessons were learned, what their setbacks were if they didn't etc. This review determines their next lifetime and the circumstances of the next lifetime that would help the soul in achieving any failed lessons. Every soul, upon incarnating on earth, had set goals/life lessons it had to achieve for that life. Some souls achieve all or more, some partially, some not at all. If a soul shows repeated patterns of learning little or nothing over several incarnations, certain 'tough' lifetimes may be recommended for that soul's benefits. For example, a soul who needs to learn compassion/charity may need a life of financial deficit during their earlier years. This life may be planned such that financial abundance may come later in life but the soul needs that earlier experience of financial deficit to develop compassion for the less privilege and learn to give (charity) with true loving intentions when financial abundance later comes their way in life. A lesson once learned is learned. It is carried in the sub conscious. Such a soul who learns the lessons of charity and compassion will continue to have these characteristics in future lifetimes.

On the other side, 75 years lived on earth seems only like a second the soul was gone and back. Linear time as we know it here, does not exist in the afterlife.

bigfrancis21:


Everybody's life journey is different and people reincarnate according to their needs and lessons, if any, yet to be learned. In the afterlife, there are sometimes 'soul groups' i.e. souls who have shared past life incarnations together and prefer to stay together. Or souls who are at the same level of growth/consciousness (i.e young souls, baby souls, old souls etc). Sometimes, they choose to incarnate together to continue their collective earthly experiences and if during the course of a lifetime, some exit earth before the others, those already dead may not reincarnate immediately and may choose to wait until any remaining member still in the flesh crosses over before their next incarnation, if any. In some cases, they often tend to exit earth at the same time or within short time-frames of each other's exit. My mom and grandma may reincarnate again depending on their soul needs/records, which is usually only available to each soul upon crossing over. One thing I do know for sure, my mom and I are soulmates. Our connection goes way back before this lifetime.

After death, each soul undergoes a life review. This is referred to as 'judgment day' in Christendom. However, this isn't the judgmental 'did you believe in me/send you to heaven or hell' by some angry God sitting on some chair. It is a loving, non-judgmental review of the life just lived, usually by a group of highly evolved spirit guides/souls, to see if the soul achieved their set purposes for that life, if lessons were learned, what their setbacks were if they didn't etc. This review determines their next lifetime and the circumstances of the next lifetime that would help the soul in achieving any failed lessons. Every soul, upon incarnating on earth, had set goals/life lessons it had to achieve for that life. Some souls achieve all or more, some partially, some not at all. If a soul shows repeated patterns of learning little or nothing over several incarnations, certain 'tough' lifetimes may be recommended for that soul's benefits. For example, a soul who needs to learn compassion/charity may need a life of financial deficit during their earlier years. This life may be planned such that financial abundance may come later in life but the soul needs that earlier experience of financial deficit to develop compassion for the less privilege and learn to give (charity) with true loving intentions when financial abundance later comes their way in life. A lesson once learned is learned. It is carried in the sub conscious. Such a soul who learns the lessons of charity and compassion will continue to have these characteristics in future lifetimes.

On the other side, 75 years lived on earth seems only like a second the soul was gone and back. Linear time as we know it here, does not exist in the afterlife.

MrPresident1:

Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Many people have interpreted this verse to mean that one only lives once, this is not true, this is what I call a ‘relational’ use of situations. This passage is only saying that:

As sure as it is that once after death is judgment, so Christ was once (one time) offered to bear the sins of many.

Judgement is right here on this earth. At every reincarnation, you must pay for the sins, judgment debts, and bad 'karma' of the immediate past life.

oranget:


These are New Age Beliefs, there's nowhere you would see reincarnation or karma of past lives in the Bible.
Why are you twisting the Bible to suite your purpose? Are you one of those who believe in New Age Order?

MrPresident1:


Actually, it is not difficult to see that what you are expounding is like someone building a huge edifice based on the foundation that the Bible has provided. The Bible has already told us everything, every other edifice or supposed experiences is purely anecdotal.

There is no such thing as a otherworldly afterlife, because an otherworldly afterlife presents a fuzzy, undefinable perspective, it is romantic, but it is not realistic, and definitely not provable. Every soul upon recall from the body suit merges with the Universal Consciousness until such a time as the soul must return for another incarnation, when they have to account for the deeds or misdeeds of past life.

oranget:


These are New Age Beliefs, there's nowhere you would see reincarnation or karma of past lives in the Bible.
Why are you twisting the Bible to suite your purpose? Are you one of those who believe in New Age Order?

bigfrancis21:


No bro, life is a cycle of improvements until the soul graduates from the rebirth cycle.