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Peacefullove:
Dont be deluded , it was a real fight. The text never called it a vision. Mumu is askimg me to get human opinions when his Bible says otherwise.

Fully human ( flesh and bone ) according to Emusan, therefore that angel in human form is Fully human.


Those that visited Abraham SAT down to eat and drink , With which body , How could someone without bones sit ?? When they ate , they dont have teeth , which is a bone ?





Fully human to you means Flesh and bones. Angels appear with flesh and bones. Have given u an undeniable example.



Good u confess . Jesus claimed so due to the figure they see.



Every man enter heaven ? Wow . I thought heaven is too holy for sinners ?


Meanwhile Jesus spirit returns to the Father YET he claimed he has not returned to him ?

Now the question again: From where do Moses and Elijah get their physical form when Jesus whom is the Ressurection is yet to die for their sins or ressurect ?


Dead on arrival.
I told you they are dead men. Not spirits ... But rope yourself.

Jesus spirit return to the Father , YET Jesus claimed he has not been to the Father ... Does that not tell what return to the Father is not moses and Elijah themselves ?


Act 12:9

You clearly can't refute that point.

Peter knows it real , because peter thought its an Horama ... Horama is real, then this should be correct that Peter knows its real . agree ?


Finally : How could someone you claimed have divine nature only does that through a vision ?

Peacefullove:
That's why its a vision and not reality.



There are only two forms . Spirit being or human being. , Peter can never be eye witness to a spirit being. Cos they are invisible to the human eyes, very clear reality would mean they are physical.

For a dead man to become physically alive. Ressurection is required . Question: Show me where it says Moses and Elijah has been ressurected Without Jesus dying for their sins?? One it will rubbish Jesus claim to be the resurrection . cos they get it without him dying ? So how exactly is this reality ??

Peacefullove:
Dont be deluded , it was a real fight. The text never called it a vision. Mumu is askimg me to get human opinions when his Bible says otherwise.

Fully human ( flesh and bone ) according to Emusan, therefore that angel in human form is Fully human.

Those that visited Abraham SAT down to eat and drink , With which body , How could someone without bones sit ?? When they ate , they dont have teeth , which is a bone ?





Fully human to you means Flesh and bones. Angels appear with flesh and bones. Have given u an undeniable example.

Good u confess . Jesus claimed so due to the figure they see.

Every man enter heaven ? Wow . I thought heaven is too holy for sinners?

Meanwhile Jesus spirit returns to the Father YET he claimed he has not returned to him ?

Now the question again: From where do Moses and Elijah get their physical form when Jesus whom is the Ressurection is yet to die for their sins or ressurect ?

Dead on arrival.
I told you they are dead men. Not spirits ... But rope yourself.

Jesus spirit return to the Father , YET Jesus claimed he has not been to the Father ... Does that not tell what return to the Father is not moses and Elijah themselves ?

Act 12:9

You clearly can't refute that point.

Peter knows it real , because peter thought its an Horama ... Horama is real, then this should be correct that Peter knows its real . agree ?


Finally : How could someone you claimed have divine nature only does that through a vision ?

Emusan:
Hosea was a human opinions
That's how you'll know someone who lacks scriptural understanding.

Liar Jesus didn't claim so because of the FIGURE THEY SEE BUT THAT

The disciples were TERRIFIED and FRIGHTENED, and supposed that they had SEEN A SPIRIT.

From Jesus own statement "and he said unto them, why are ye trouble and why do THOUGHTS (of seen a spirit) ARISE In your heart?
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH AND BONES, as ye SEE ME HAVE"

Let the truth of the scripture continues to torment you.

You can provide similar statement like this from any of you HUMAN ANGEL, let's compare.

Who said this?

Olodo go to Bible study and stop being online nuisance.

Spirits do take human figure for human to see them.

Their spirit is in heaven....

Keep twisting the scripture

Where did Jesus say "He has not BEEN TO THE FATHER?"

Lair and deluded person.

Still grasping straw man...

What I've provided here has proved you to be a liar!

You'll still remain in your confusion until you receive sense to decipher what I've posted.

"i will not allow JWs to win"

Peacefullove:
That's why its a vision and not reality.



There are only two forms . Spirit being or human being. , Peter can never be eye witness to a spirit being. Cos they are invisible to the human eyes, very clear reality would mean they are physical.

For a dead man to become physically alive. Ressurection is required . Question: Show me where it says Moses and Elijah has been ressurected Without Jesus dying for their sins?? One it will rubbish Jesus claim to be the resurrection . cos they get it without him dying ? So how exactly is this reality ??

achorladey:
@ Emusan got something interesting you might REALLY want to look at. The image below CARRIES part of it. While the link attached CONVEYS the REST. This will be INTERESTING as it concerns your DISCUSSION on VISION......


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004466

Some critics have endeavored to class the TRANSFIGURATION as SIMPLY a DREAM. However, Peter, James, and John would not LOGICALLY all have had EXACTLY the SAME DREAM. Jesus himself called what took place a “VISION” (Mt 17:9), but not a mere ILLUSION. Christ was actually there, though Moses and Elijah, who were dead, were not literally present. They were REPRESENTED in VISION. The Greek word used for “VISION” at Matthew 17:9 is HOʹRA·MA, also rendered “SIGHT.” (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME.​—Lu 9:32.

Emusan:
You know I said something the last time about Heb 1:10 that it's only their online e-warriors that do twist most things even though they derive the zeal from the same lying organization.

That's why I left them to their delusions because THE TRANSFIGURATION of Christ has never been viewed as mere vision.

The point I want him to get by himself without me pointing it out for him while I posted different meanings of Horama for him is "....also rendered “SIGHT" (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —Lu 9:32.

But you can see how his lying mouth was exposed by his own demonic organization.

achorladey:
Its just funny, funny because it took close to ten pages on this thread and see them say and repeat SAME thing. It discussion won't have got to this extent at all. Its a pity they do GO against the TEACHING of the ORGANIZATION and equally say they are TELLING the truth. Even the truth about the ORGANIZATION the way they defend it leave less to DESIRE.

Emusan:
Just notice, when they see this your post they'll shamefully hide their lying faces in the sand and pretend as if they didn't see it.

Four 4 points that article confirmed about my post are:

1. Horama is also reality.
2. The experience of Moses at the burning bush was REAL as cited by the article.
3. The account of Apostle Peter as an eyewitness was real not just mere illusion.
4. The same article said Apostle John must have alluded to that TRANSFIGURATION experience in John 1:14.

When you asked, what did John 1:14 say?

You can only read [b]"And the WORD was made FLESH, and DWELT among us,..."[/b]

This is a clear point that Apostle Paul was actually right to have written "DIVINE NATURE DWELLS IN BODILY"

Janosky:
If 1-3 is correct, no wahala...

We now have another strong EVIDENCE that Trinitarian John 1:14 is HOGWASH !
LUKE 9:35...

If Emusan claim is true,therefore Moses and Elijah is God.
We now know that Luke 9:35 no dey Emusan Bible.

God did not dwell in the flesh with man.
Luke 9:35. Romans8:3 , YAHWEH says Dump your John1:14 Trinity Delusion in the Trash can.

Maximus69:
My brother, let them go out there and make disciples for their TRINITY God!

They can't deny the fact that their TRINITY has failed to unite them as one due to the contradictions in their definition of their TRINITY God!

So let them go out there and preach their TRINITY God to get a firm hold on the same meaning before they can come and prove to those who are united in thought globally over One JEHOVAH!

Janosky:
If only Emusan knew beforehand this would RUBBISH his triune God came in the flesh John 1:1,14 delusion, he won't have taken this route.

Emusan:
Just notice, when they see this your post they'll shamefully hide their lying faces in the sand and pretend as if they didn't see it.

Four 4 points that article confirmed about my post are:

1. Horama is also reality.
2. The experience of Moses at the burning bush was REAL as cited by the article.
3. The account of Apostle Peter as an eyewitness was real not just mere illusion.
4. The same article said Apostle John must have alluded to that TRANSFIGURATION experience in John 1:14.

When you asked, what did John 1:14 say?

You can only read "And the WORD was made FLESH, and DWELT among us,..."

This is a clear point that Apostle Paul was actually right to have written "DIVINE NATURE DWELLS IN BODILY"

achorladey:
You know it's FUNNY when you sometimes SAY some should go and do more Sunday school LEARNING. Even if it is not SUNDAY school at least an OPPORTUNITY for them to take second,third look about what is SHOWN. To really see where the DISCUSSION is headed. But BOAST, ARROGANCE, applying LABELS and NAMES will not allow. Zeal to ACCUMULATE religious MEDALS and TROPHY is THEIR GOAL.

As captured in one of the POST above they are still not GRATEFUL enough that YOU bring to their NOTICE about how they are IN CLEAR CONTRADICTION with what the organization they are members of TEACH them. Were you a FELLOW JWs like they are, it will not be out of PLACE to call these ONES apostate like they do on any JWs not in SYNC with whatever they POST.

I believe the lesson was well passed only don't EXPECT GRATITUDE from them. The three post above this clearly TELL the STORY

Maximus69:
Trust me bro!

Emusan will either disappear or start insulting you for exposing his stupidity!

Emusan:
You got it!

Look at the first commenter, he stylishly says my point 1-3 is CORRECT, no wahala.

He went back, to edit it to 1-3 MAYBE CORRECT but unfortunately for him, his fellow deluded brother has quoted the post which won't change.

Shame couldn't let him say boldly that I'm correct, their deluded brother is wrong.

Meanwhile, they are the same people who hide behind keyboard cheering their deluded brother about his lies of reality Vs vision.

There is much in pride, no wonder they took after their father the Devil.

achorladey:
You know it's FUNNY when you sometimes SAY some should go and do more Sunday school LEARNING. Even if it is not SUNDAY school at least an OPPORTUNITY for them to take second,third look about what is SHOWN. To really see where the DISCUSSION is headed. But BOAST, ARROGANCE, applying LABELS and NAMES will not allow. Zeal to ACCUMULATE religious MEDALS and TROPHY is THEIR GOAL.

As captured in one of the POST above they are still not GRATEFUL enough that YOU bring to their NOTICE about how they are IN CLEAR CONTRADICTION with what the organization they are members of TEACH them. Were you a FELLOW JWs like they are, it will not be out of PLACE to call these ONES apostate like they do on any JWs not in SYNC with whatever they POST.

I believe the lesson was well passed only don't EXPECT GRATITUDE from them. The three post above this clearly TELL the STORY

Janosky:
Achorladey HYPOCRITE !
That is all it takes to fault JWs on the matter of Jesus transfiguration, whereas the fact is OBVIOUS that Greek horama is not always reality in every instance it occurs in the holy Bible.

Achorladey no get liver to tell his friend that his DEMONIC Trinity DELUSION have been exposed, Achorladey has confirmed himself to be a HYPOCRITE
Emusan fear that man posing as your friend who will not tell you the Truth about your demonic Trinity GIBBERISH

Janosky:
My Bro you really Sabi Emusan mindset.

Janosky:
Achorladey HYPOCRITE!

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

John 1:3 God created everything through" word" and mind u, God is the word himself. So stop confusing urself and stop misleading people who don't really understand bible pls. Read and understand well pls.

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

John 1:3 God created everything through" word" and mind u, God is the word himself. So stop confusing urself and stop misleading people who don't really understand bible pls. Read and understand well pls.

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

please note :
John 1:3 God created everything through" word" and mind u, God is the word himself. So stop confusing urself and stop misleading people who don't really understand bible pls. Read and understand well .

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

achorladey:
Your friend said he will DISAPPEAR and his response to my post shows that. No worry you dey free to console yourself

Janosky:
Your position about horama is correct , on this matter of Jesus transfiguration, no wahala.
Vision is NOT always reality, that fact is OBVIOUS.
My brothers will learn a thing or two therefrom.

However, you unwittingly brought out the ammunition to nail the coffin of your John 1:1,14 FRAUD, the DEMONIC doctrine popular in Christendom.

We now have another strong EVIDENCE that Trinitarian John 1:1,14 is HOGWASH !
LUKE 9:34-35 ..2Peter1:17,18 Yahweh said so.....

34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”

We now know that Luke 9:35 no dey Emusan Bible.

The Word is NOT God in the flesh.
John 5:37, God did not dwell in the flesh with man.
Luke 9:35. Romans8:3 , YAHWEH says Dump your John1:1,14 Trinitarian Delusion in the Trash can.


the TRUTH remains the TRUTH....


Shalom

Emusan:
So if my position is correct the question that begs for answer is....

How can ORDINARY HUMAN TRANSFIGURE?



Trinity a Demonic doctrine, yet Jehovah made RUSSELL, Rutherford and many of their early followers who believe in this same demonic doctrine to be part of heavenly one.

Maximus69:
TRINITY died a natural death when the Bible students began a diligent study of God's word in the 1870s!

Don't forget that all the prophets before John the baptist worshiped Jehovah yet Jesus said none of them is qualified for God's Kingdom {Matthew 11:11} (talking about those who will rule with him in heaven)

So it's God's word that declared Russell and his team righteous NOT those joining the group now. The Bible said the path of the righteous will continue to get brighter and brighter {Proverbs 4:18} there were many religious groups that emerged during the late 19th and early 20th century.

But because Russell and his team were the Chosen group Jesus' words came to fulfillment in their case as those following them keep parting with man-made doctrines and traditions until they're able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today! John 17:20-23

Of course it was because the tree was good and sown in good faith that's why it's yielding fine fruits today! Matthew 7:16-19

Maximus69:
That's an understatement bro!

I once caught him on another thread where he quoted and even directed the OP to get a soft copy of the Watchtower to answer the sincere question of the OP!

I was shocked!

That's what convinced me beyond all reasonable doubt that achorladey will not enter God's Kingdom and he's bent on depriving other to enter!

Why is he always trying to prove the same Organization wrong yet when faced with a sincere question achorladey never quoted his trinitarian Pastors that he always takes their side during arguments but this same Watchtower Organization?

My brother, calling achorladey an hypocrite is an understatement, he is a confirmed atheist!

He detests submissiveness in anyway so to console himself, he will argue against the one and only organization that has all the potentials to make honest hearted and sincere people submissive to God's word!

Maximus69:
TRINITY died a natural death when the Bible students began a diligent study of God's word in the 1870s!

Don't forget that all the prophets before John the baptist worshiped Jehovah yet Jesus said none of them is qualified for God's Kingdom {Matthew 11:11} (talking about those who will rule with him in heaven)

So it's God's word that declared Russell and his team righteous NOT those joining the group now. The Bible said the path of the righteous will continue to get brighter and brighter {Proverbs 4:18} there were many religious groups that emerged during the late 19th and early 20th century.

But because Russell and his team were the Chosen group Jesus' words came to fulfillment in their case as those following them keep parting with man-made doctrines and traditions until they're able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today! John 17:20-23

Of course it was because the tree was good and sown in good faith that's why it's yielding fine fruits today! Matthew 7:16-19

Rozz:
This my pastor is learned

achorladey:
Maximus69: TRINITY DIED a NATURAL DEATH when the Bible students began a diligent study of God's word in the 1870s!

Achorladey: Trinity DIED a NATURAL DEATH and you still discuss at LEARNT about DEAD THINGS using 59 pages of a PARTICULAR thread. Na CONSOLATION, If STATISTICS of believers in TRINITY were to be collected today. You bet those who BELIEVE it will be greater than THOSE in the ORGANIZATION you are a MEMBER of.


And this got me LAUGHING Russell made HEAVEN and was RIGHTEOUS without JOINING "Jehovah's organization" alias THE GROUP but God has CHANGED that in present TIMES you have to JOIN the ORGANIZATION to be declared RIGHTEOUS and make HEAVEN. Hahahahaha.

Maximus69:
TRINITY died a natural death when the Bible students began a diligent study of God's word in the 1870s!

Don't forget that all the prophets before John the baptist worshiped Jehovah yet Jesus said none of them is qualified for God's Kingdom {Matthew 11:11} (talking about those who will rule with him in heaven)

So it's God's word that declared Russell and his team righteous NOT those joining the group now. The Bible said the path of the righteous will continue to get brighter and brighter {Proverbs 4:18} there were many religious groups that emerged during the late 19th and early 20th century.

But because Russell and his team were the Chosen group Jesus' words came to fulfillment in their case as those following them keep parting with man-made doctrines and traditions until they're able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today! John 17:20-23

Of course it was because the tree was good and sown in good faith that's why it's yielding fine fruits today! Matthew 7:16-19