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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Studio247: 11:45pm On May 25, 2020
BanjiRaymond:

This country has brought a lot of people down, so many wasted talents. what you wrote here is for other countries, not Nigeria


No matter how good an artist is a record label that want to fight him will silent him completely in the game.
Their first step is blocking the artist shows
Using his manager against him .

Desperation has made many your talents sign a record deal that end up killing them instead of helping them.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Slynation(m): 11:46pm On May 25, 2020
Asin ehh, the way they came for that young mans head called Jude was overwhelming coupled with the fact the admins made mistake of putting $40m instead of #40m....

But anyways welcome to Nigeria where you can become a celebrity/millionaire overnight just by attracting public sympathy...

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by FManager(m): 11:51pm On May 25, 2020
JessetariahMD:
I disagree
so youre telling me all those music I'm downloading with mb percentage don't go to the labels?
all those albums that are online all those movies that we download percentage doesn't go to the people who own them?
I disagree abeg
A rapper Mos def once said
You can't sign me for a hundred dollar and take away my millions
before you sign any deal
Get yourself a competent lawyer
no just go sign only you

This man calm down, those free video sites are pirated sites meaning they gotten those movies illegally, in the US such platforms would have been taken down, cause they are taking money out of the contents providers, entertainment businesses no be bean.

If jude really mean to destroy her he will, she owes the company money, so let her sit down and keep shut. If she can be humble she can make a come back and pay off her debt but can't say if any record label will pick up her calls after such mediocre online stunt she pulled.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by PrinzCarter(m): 11:52pm On May 25, 2020
What is the man writing, do you know how much an artist makes for just shooting one video n posting on YouTube, go n search for lil Wayne ft Eminem -drop the world its over 10yrs n it has 250million views dats n ppl keep streaming it, dats money, if an artist drops one track a vid nd it goes viral let's say his career went down , how does he survive? , he starts making songs to see if he can get to d top back he drops vids so dat ppl can watch n he gets paid on YouTube dey are lots of artist doing dis eg 9ice, faze, erigga, etc wat Jude did n sum record label are doing is nt gd dey are just been greedy

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Exmilitant(m): 11:52pm On May 25, 2020
I dey my own o when a guy approached and persuaded me to invest in the movie industry. He came with some guys he identified as marketer and director and location manager. After listening to the profit i would get if i put in certain amount. I was eventually convinced to financed the production.... if you see any movie titled, 'corrupt community' Being hawked in traffick thats my money gone. since november last year i no see money, i no see producers, i no see film.... Make dem dey hide o, no be portharcourt we dey.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by collinsmcmorgan(m): 11:53pm On May 25, 2020
lolz, I thought this matter don end. Cynthia Morgan, don learn her lessons. now OBO Davido want to sign her, what's your take on that?

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by jaxxy(m): 11:55pm On May 25, 2020
MajorOvakporaye:
if I was an artiste, I would rather go for a bread label than go for Jude Okoye's label.

If u watched Jude’s video, he total opposite of what I thought, maybe cos of his harsh looks people misread him, complete gentleman and good guy. Infact I’m became a jude fan.

He was basically doing and did Father Christmas for MayD and Cynthia.


The problem is artists these days are spoilt brats who don’t understand the business. Even Michael Jackson wasn’t earning money till his record label recouped their investment sadly by then the artist is usually and mosttimes bigger than the record label interns of image and name bt he’s not seeing the money yet cos the label is still getting almost everything. Then the artist with a bigger image than his record label who now look like a bondage to him fights back to have his freedom and make his money. This is always the case. Since Jackson five and michael Jackson days. Lol

I think the contracts shud be written differently to accommodate the quick development of the artist and spread the recouping of the investment over a longer period and not immediately while the artist waits penniless and still broke. This is what Davido does. He makes his artists happy and recoups his money over a longer time contract agreement depending on how the artist blows.

Mind u sm artist don’t blow and dats a bad investment. The label has to admit its failure and move on. Like banky w and skales that refused to blow. He eventually had to let him go. Do sm + and - tho.

dominique:
I agree to an extent. The labels have a bit of part to play in an artist's downward spiral

Those record labels spend millions to package an artist and want to recoup their investments in multifolds shortchanging the artists in the process. The artists seeing how much is being made off them will want to break free and make money on their own. It's only after they go solo that they realize that performing and promoting are different ball games. After some time, they start to decline. If only the record labels can make these contract more lucrative, maybe the artists won't have to quit on them before their contract expires

Lawyer.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by JessetariahMD(m): 11:56pm On May 25, 2020
sureteeboy:

Not a kobo. The only way record labels can make any money from your a song is if you actually paid before you can download that song. If you check music platforms like iTunes, Deezer, you get to pay for those songs, regardless of the mb you're still going to spend on downloading the songs.
But if you're visiting these free websites, the only set of people making money from your downloads is the network providers you bought mb from
ohhh
now I get
thanks

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Stillthebest: 11:57pm On May 25, 2020
dominique:
I agree to an extent. The labels have a bit of part to play in an artist's downward spiral

Those record labels spend millions to package an artist and want to recoup their investments in multifolds shortchanging the artists in the process. The artists seeing how much is being made off them will want to break free and make money on their own. It's only after they go solo that they realize that performing and promoting are different ball games. After some time, they start to decline. If only the record labels can make these contract more lucrative, maybe the artists won't have to quit on them before their contract expires

You are right at some valid points. But I don't think record labels can make the profit agreement to look bogus to keep them. What I think should be done is sign them for a year then review the contract agreement after a year. This will pave ways for remodeling, repackaging and separation if need be.

You quite know that labels sign artistes based on projection; this projection is based on both the strength/goodwill/business acumen of the label which may have gotten overtime in the industry and the strength and versatility of an artist.

They are not always 100% sure if an artiste will "blow".

So, the agreement is always based on projection at the so nearest level. And if the artist blows beyond projections it becomes the gains of the record label. This is why it is important for a serious artiste to insist on just one year contract. But some of them don't even believe in themselves, so they sign over three year, they refuse to blow, record label doesn't pay them well. They blow beyond even their expectations, record label has swindled them, tbose are the rhetorics.

These are the reasons I don't comment on their issues because most of the artistes are just after that "quick Benz"

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Nobody: 11:58pm On May 25, 2020
futurerex:
Nothing but the hidden truth. That's why some artist will go out of fame immediately they partway with their record label because they can't affort the bill.
Lil kesh comes to mind grin

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by FManager(m): 12:00am On May 26, 2020
Beverlyjean:


Investing in an artiste is a huge risk...the artiste could b a one hit wonder, so they try to recoup their money on time incase the artiste fades faster that a shadow nearing nightfall

Your thinking faculty is very good cool, send me your account number joor cheesy
(Na joke I dey ooo)

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Darvel(m): 12:01am On May 26, 2020
JessetariahMD:
I disagree
so youre telling me all those music I'm downloading with mb percentage don't go to the labels?
all those albums that are online all those movies that we download percentage doesn't go to the people who own them?
I disagree abeg
A rapper Mos def once said
You can't sign me for a hundred dollar and take away my millions
before you sign any deal
Get yourself a competent lawyer
no just go sign only you


Haha ha..

Dat one doesn't go to the artist or label o..

It goes to ur network provider...

Lol.. Dats where Una dey make mistake

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Totobulie: 12:01am On May 26, 2020
abobote:
While music label have a major role to play in packaging and marketing an artist, if you are good, nothing can bring you down, not even the force of gravity

If you read what the op said with interest, you won't type this.

From what the op said no Mata how good you are, your voice alone can't pay for radio sections, flight tickets, beautiful girls dancing while you sing, hired Bentley and Lamborghini, etc. In the same way fine boy no dey pay the bills, ask sugar daddy girls why they prefer oshiomole.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by edoairways: 12:02am On May 26, 2020
futurerex:
Nothing but the hidden truth. That's why some artist will go out of fame immediately they partway with their record label because they can't affort the bill.
What happens to youtube?

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by PHIPEX(m): 12:04am On May 26, 2020
I know a book titled "Talent is not enough". There is a business side of entertainment, it's not enough to know how to sing same applies to footballers. Record labels are business people and profit is their aim not your well being except if your well being will bring more profit. Everyone must be selfish when signing a contract.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by edoairways: 12:04am On May 26, 2020
Devops:
No mind them.
It's easy to prey on the emotions of Nigerians.
Very dumb set of people. Attaching emotions to Business.
They think Record Label is a charity organization
Many Nigerians are too emotional. They easily fall for tricks.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by MrBrownJay1(m): 12:05am On May 26, 2020
lawyer:
“WHO IS PAYING FOR ALL THIS FREE MUSIC YOU ARE ENJOYING”? The answer is the Record Label. not the Artiste.

a record label is a biz like any other... who INVESTS in an artist career and try to recoup their investment and make a profit out of the artist's success. should artists now accept every nonsense that record labels throws at them?! ABSOLUTELY NOT!

this whole charade is trying to make it look like... if an artist succeeds, its the record labels fault, but if the artist fails, its the artist fault. lol!

Do you know how much a Record Label would pay a radio station for you to actually like a song? Do you think it’s by magic that a song from nowhere automatically becomes the flavour of the month and one of your favourite tracks of all time? No. Millions of Naira has been paid to that radio station to promote that song heavily for you to like it by the Record label.

most artist around the world get PAID each and every time their song is played on the radio (and not the way around) but, if in Nigeria a record label needs to pay to have your song played on radio (while that same radio is paid by advertisers, ads etc) then A) you better get a better record label that believes in your music/talent, B) you better do biz outside of Nigeria, but most importantly, C) if that is the way your record label expects to promote you, then you best find a better record label ASAP!

[b]Without the Record Label, the Artiste is nothing. There is no difference between you singing in the bathroom for free and your favourite Artiste without the backing and funds invested in the Artiste.

ARRANT NONSENSE!!!!
the artist is EVERYTHING dont get it twisted, thats your raw product, without an artist, a record label is NOTHING... a record label is just someone who see an artist's talent and decides to invest in that talent to enrich itself. how dare you are trying to make a record label look more important than the artist?!?!? if that person is just a bathroom singer, as you claim, then why would anyone invest in them?

No Artiste alive who invests in himself without the backing of the Record Label has ever made money or profit except foolish fame and we all know fame alone does not pay the bills.

educate yourself of the likes of Prince or independent artists who create their own label and invest in their own self. anybody can do what a record label does, you only need money, and there are many ignorant fools out there with money but absolutely NO SKILLS to manage artist, foolishly calling themselves "record label".

Coming back to May D and Cynthia Morgan. The Record Label owned by Jude Okoye gave them a contract. Everything about the survival and success of them is in that Contract. What they expected was for the Record Label to turn into their Surrogate Sugar Daddies to dash them money to buy range rovers, live in Lekki, wear exotic clothes, travel first class to every country on the planet to perform in concerts, shoot million Naira music videos in South Africa, stay in 5-star hotels, pay for their limousines, food, take care of their extended family and crew and pump millions of Naira into their account for just singing a song which they consider as a hit.

May d was producing/recording songs for that label without a contract... what happens to the benefits generated from these produced/recorded body of work (since there was no contracts)? where is the contract that stipulated that A) record label invested X amount of money that will be deducted from the above BS you mentioned and B) if there was no contract in place, how does everyone's share calculated?!

Cynthia Morgan own is even worse...A) where exactly was the "supposed" 40Mill invested in? B) how much money has been generated from the Vevo account that was hijacked from her til today? C) how much money has the record label already recuperated from all her shows/songs etc (before this saga started)? D) it seem the record label claims they invested 40M and that today she still owes them 40M ...really? so they made NO MONEY from Cynthia Morgan since day one?!?!?!? highly far fetched!

Cynthia Morgan and May D did not pay over 700 radio stations all over Nigeria to play their song. They did not pay all the Music channel VJs to play their song, they did not pay over 200 bloggers to tweet and write good reviews for their songs, they did not contribute to the cost of shooting the music video from the accommodation, plane tickets, paying video vixens, paying the music director and the crew, scouting for location and wardrobe, transportation feeding, clubbing and shopping money for themselves, their family and crew. They did not pay for the popping of champagnes in the club to boost their image, pay Djs in Nite clubs to play artistes songs and loads of payments that Cynthia Morgan and May D did not spend a dime on to push and market the Artiste and song.

the above in bold is called "RUNNING A RECORD LABEL".... the rest written is deluded rubbish that certainly wasnt part of any contract, unless the unsigned contract of May D AND the contract of Cynthia clearly stipulated that every time they pop champagne for you in the clubs or that you guys go clubbing, the tab will be added (or deducted) from your cheques as "promotion and marketing"... same with feeding money or the empty BQ room that was provided for May D.

The second question you should ask is “WHO IS PAYING FOR ALL THIS LIFESTYLE AND MARKETING”? Answer The Record Label.

yes!!!! and they get handsomely rewarded for it!!! dont try to make these record labels look like charities! these are investments. sometimes it bare fruits and sometimes it doesnt.... just like any other investment in life.

[/b] If Record Label spends N5Million on you, it expects nothing less than N10 Million before the Artiste can start seeing some money. You don’t expect the Record Label to spend all that money on the Artiste and end up running at a loss.

any artist who signs such above contract is a DAMN FOOL! when the record label has recouped its invested Marketing/promotion/studio time money etc (example 5M) then the profit above this 5M, will be shared between the artist and the record label (depending on what was earlier signed 30/70 or 40/60 etc). saying that the record label must make 10M before an artist makes any profit is not only LUDICROUS,
but i do feel sorry for the Ediots who sign such mad deals! no wonder no good has ever come from the mentioned record label!

Have you noticed no Artiste has come out to complain about a Record Label and point to the section in the contract that the Record Label has breached?

because NOBODY has seen the contract itself that all them crooks are talking about... there are many contract out there, and there are many record labels....why havent you ever heard an artist complain of Don Jazzy Mavin record? yet, this ONE record label has 3 different artist speak ill of them?!?!? there are record labels and record labels out there, know the difference!

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by wman(m): 12:11am On May 26, 2020
JessetariahMD:
I disagree
so youre telling me all those music I'm downloading with mb percentage don't go to the labels?
all those albums that are online all those movies that we download percentage doesn't go to the people who own them?
I disagree abeg
A rapper Mos def once said
You can't sign me for a hundred dollar and take away my millions
before you sign any deal
Get yourself a competent lawyer
no just go sign only you

Did you pay for the music on Apple Music? Did you pay for the movie on Netflix?

You are pirating something illegally and you expect the people who made it to get paid.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Nobody: 12:11am On May 26, 2020
What your are saying OP, is equivalent to a multinational saying it doesn't owe it's employees until it has not only sold its products or services, but has to make double it's expense before it sits down to pay it's staff.

U see why we are mad in this country?

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Abdullmalikk300(m): 12:13am On May 26, 2020
FManager:


This man calm down, those free video sites are pirated sites meaning they gotten those movies illegally, in the US such platforms would have been taken down, cause they are taking money out of the contents providers, entertainment businesses no be bean.

If jude really mean to destroy her he will, she owes the company money, so let her sit down and keep shut. If she can be humble she can make a come back and pay off her debt but can't say if any record label will pick up her calls after such mediocre online stunt she pulled.
so what is the gains of sites.. If they are also not making money from the downloads?

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Eryyy92: 12:14am On May 26, 2020
I don't give a Bleep wetin I wan knw be say who give those Arewa boys money to buy those cars

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by SimplePlan34: 12:14am On May 26, 2020
Cynthia Morgan case was one of a non comprehensive deal. Nigerian music industry was not as organized in her time. Look at kizz Daniel he fought also with his label but he came out stronger. If she wanted to fight her label boss it should hv been in d time of her limelight. She neva had enough hit tracks and was never dropping dem consistently. Also she was Dat time an artist u would call an igbo artist not by her songs but by d ppl she mingled with. Anyway times has changed the Nigerian music industry is far more comprehensive now in such matters so I bet her new deal with sterling would give her far more freedom.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Totobulie: 12:15am On May 26, 2020
MrBrownJay1:


a record label is a biz like another who INVESTS in an artist career and try to recoup their investment and make a profit out of the artist success. should artists now accept every nonsense that record labels throw at them?! ABSOLUTELY NOT!

this whoe charade is trying to make it look like... if an artist succeed its the record labels fault, if the artist fails, its the artist fault. lol!



most artist around the world get PAID each and every time their song is played on the radio (and not the way around) but, if in Nigeria a record label need to pay to have your song played on radio (while that same radio is paid by advertisers, ads etc) then A) you better get a better record label that believes in your music, B) you better do biz outside of Nigeria, but most importantly, C) if that is the way your record label expects to promote you, then you best find a better record label ASAP!



ARRANT NONSENSE!!!!
the artist is EVERYTHING dont get it twisted, thats your raw product, without an artist, a record label is NOTHING... a record label is just someone who see an artist's talent and decides to invest in that talent to enrich itself. how dare you are trying to make a record label look more important than the artist?!?!? if that person is just a bathroom singer, as you claim, then why would anyone invest in them?



educate yourself of the likes of Prince or independent artists who create their own label and invest in their own self. anybody can do what a record label does, you only need money, and there are many ignorant fools out there with money but absolutely NO SKILLS to manage artist, foolishly calling themselves "record label".



May d was producing/recording songs for that label without a contract... what happens to the benefits generated from these produced/recorded body of work (since there was no contracts)? where is the contract that stipulated that A) record label invested X amount of money that will be deducted from the above BS you mentioned and B) if there was no contract in place, how does everyone's share calculated?!

Cynthia Morgan own is even worse...A) where exactly was the "supposed" 40Mill invested in? how much money is made from the Vevo account that was hijacked? how much money has the record label already recuperated from all her shows/songs etc (before this saga started)? it seem the record label claims they invested 40M and that she still owes them 40M NOW.... highly far fetched!



the above in bold is called "RUNNING A RECORD LABEL".... the rest written is deluded rubbish that certainly wasnt part of any contract, unless the unsigned contract of May D AND the contract of Cynthia clearly stipulated that every time they pop champagne for you in the clubs or that you guys go clubbing, the tab will be added (or deducted) from your cheques as "promotion and marketing"... same with feeding money or the empty BQ room that was provided for May D.



yes!!!! and they get handsomely rewarded for it!!! dont try to make these record labels look like charities! these are investments. sometimes it bare fruits and sometimes it doesnt.... just like any other investment in life.



any artist who signs such above contract is a DAMN FOOL! when the record label has recouped its invested Marketing/promotion/studio time money etc (example 5M) then the profit above this 5M, will be shared between the artist and the record label (depending on what was earlier signed 30/70 or 40/60 etc). saying that the record label must make 10M before an artist makes any profit is not only LUDICROUS, i do feel sorry for the Ediots who sign such mad deals! no wonder no good has ever come from the mentioned record label!



because NOBODY has seen the contract itself that all them crooks are talking about... there are many contract out there, and there are many record labels....why havent you ever heard an artist complain of Don Jazzy Mavin record? yet, this ONE record label has 3 different artist speak ill of them?!?!? there are record labels and record labels out there, know the difference!

I was reading with interest but got disappointed at the end. Oga there are a lot of record label out there having problems with their artists banky W comes to mind. Did you here what May D asked for? That's greed bro. As for Morgan, she should know that mariguana is not good for the brain.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by SimplePlan34: 12:16am On May 26, 2020
Abdullmalikk300:
so what is the gains of sites.. If they are also not making money from the downloads?

They make money on traffic visitors but yes some of the big site like notjustok ant tooxclusive are payed directly by d label to promote d song

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Jeroboy(m): 12:23am On May 26, 2020
Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by MrBrownJay1(m): 12:29am On May 26, 2020
Totobulie:
I was reading with interest but got disappointed at the end. Oga there are a lot of record label out there having problems with their artists banky W comes to mind. Did you here what May D asked for? That's greed bro. As for Morgan, she should know that mariguana is not good for the brain.

bro, artists will always want to be on their own, because the reality is that, when the artist is unknown these record labels are doing the most, but as soon as the artist is starting to make waves, majority of these record labels aint doing shiit, but cashing out. so its understandable that most artist will decide to create their own label and manage their own self....but the important part here is to make sure that the RECEIPT is at zero when they part ways.

May D asked for incentives because he has been working for these guys with no contracts, and as they wanted to make sure that he had the potential to be somebody before they invested in him (aka free work), thats where they fukced up, thats why i believe they are unprofessional!! they should have signed this guy from the get go, so there wouldnt be any issues afterwards. how can you work with someone, create bodies of work, write/produce and record songs while that person does NOT have a contract with your label?!?!? if i was May D i would have asked the same shiiit. ,.... aka "now you saw my potential, put your money in your pocket to sign me"

as for artists who suddenly get bigheaded and think they are bigger than Michael jackson, because marijuana don scatter their brains, this one is another story....but i am 110% sure that if the record label invested 40M on her career, then she certainly DOES NOT OWE THEM 40M TODAY. as they are claiming.

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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Drexxieofficial: 12:38am On May 26, 2020
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Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by OKTolu: 12:49am On May 26, 2020
Hmmmmm whatever rocks their boat,that's their business not mine.
Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by Chirowman(m): 12:54am On May 26, 2020
e no easy
Re: Why A Record Label Should Never Be Blamed For A Musician's Down Fall by toprealman: 12:55am On May 26, 2020
CM is smiling to the bank......at least sky for now

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