Timalt:


This is the problem I have had with you for about 5 days now. When I ask you the important question, you deflected to ask me what church I am attending.

What you want to do is so petty, it's clear you want to drag me down into a dick measuring contest of which church is better.

The first century Christians did not attend church services in large Kingdom halls, assembly halls or large church auditoriums. They met in small homes. These homes were called ecclesias. Which meant a church or congregation. Many of the gatherings at home were characterized by sharing of meals together and worshiping together.

Again the first century Christians did not have an autocratic totalitarian structure that you have today in your organization. They enjoyed what the apostles called Christian Freedom. That is why the jews celebrated festivals, performed circumcisions, and observed the sabbath. Buy the gentile Christians were under no obligation to do these even though it was one body and one faith.

In a nutshell, I worship with a small group of fellow believers at homes. Christians worldwide make up the Body of christ, I don't discriminate against my fellow Christians because I know that according to the Bible, my salvation does not depend on an association to an organization.

Now, would you please answer my question?

Also The fact that said that some things about your organization is noble does not change the fact that it has evil policies and doctrines that divides homes, that break families, that ostracizes people, that leads to people's deaths, that has prophesied falsely on many occasions. Not just internalized wrong expectations, but widely proclaimed and published false predictions.
Evil flip flop of doctrines and so on.

Enough of this juvenile trap setting already answer my question o

Thank you

You scrutinize JWs and label them with derogatory names but you hide behind body of Christ wey no agree with you intoto.... Can you imagine Paul , Peter and John teaching diverse CONTRARY spirit filled doctrines ?

Where the early Christians not Lead by a Governing Body?

By the way, is it unscriptural to assemble together in "large kingdom Halls"?

What is the name of your "small group of fellow believers at homes"?


Come clean,Bro

freshboi88:


Thank u, u r a sweetheart!!!!!.....do u believe Jesus is God?

you are welcomed,i will like to be silent to your question.I have gained a lot religiously since I came to Nairaland and discovered this place.You guys are so good.

freshboi88:


@rozz I like pple who have an opinion like Blendy77 here. Amazing person

We all have different approach to issues.

Timalt:


This is the problem I have had with you for about 5 days now. When I ask you the important question, you deflected to ask me what church I am attending.

What you want to do is so petty, it's clear you want to drag me down into a dick measuring contest of which church is better.

The first century Christians did not attend church services in large Kingdom halls, assembly halls or large church auditoriums. They met in small homes. These homes were called ecclesias. Which meant a church or congregation. Many of the gatherings at home were characterized by sharing of meals together and worshiping together.

Again the first century Christians did not have an autocratic totalitarian structure that you have today in your organization. They enjoyed what the apostles called Christian Freedom. That is why the jews celebrated festivals, performed circumcisions, and observed the sabbath. Buy the gentile Christians were under no obligation to do these even though it was one body and one faith.

In a nutshell, I worship with a small group of fellow believers at homes. Christians worldwide make up the Body of christ, I don't discriminate against my fellow Christians because I know that according to the Bible, my salvation does not depend on an association to an organization.

Now, would you please answer my question?

Also The fact that said that some things about your organization is noble does not change the fact that it has evil policies and doctrines that divides homes, that break families, that ostracizes people, that leads to people's deaths, that has prophesied falsely on many occasions. Not just internalized wrong expectations, but widely proclaimed and published false predictions.
Evil flip flop of doctrines and so on.

Enough of this juvenile trap setting already answer my question o

Thank you

Good morning Sir, hope i didn't get you upset with my slumbering yesterday?

Please forgive me, i slept off!

So back to our friendly discussion.
You and i wanted to discuss as neighbours regarding the differences in our religious beliefs, so i think we both need to be open as in liberal in our friendly discussion!

You are an adult and you've chosen a group out of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians globally just as i do, you feel you're OK with your religion just as i also feel, you believe you're connected to your God just as i also feel. Therefore if we want to discuss on our beliefs i think both of us need to be open and not hide anything behind, remember our salvation solely depends on what we believe! John 3:16

After the death of the Apostles, a religious group emerged called the Roman Catholic Church and lasted for centuries before many of her members began protesting against this Church, it has continued down to our day.
That's why there are over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming Christians today.
Surely the group in your house have no grudge whatsoever against the Catholic Church, so why do you choose to divide the body of Christ if there is nothing hidden?
Why not just continue as one big happy family of worshipers with the Catholic Church, if the standard is OK?

That's where we supposed to start from Sir if truthfully we want to be liberal on this matter, NOT when you just pick one group out of over 41,000 groups PROTESTING against the Catholic Church whereas you too belongs to one of the PROTESTANTS!

Once again good morning Sir, may God bless you!

Janosky:


Jesus Christ and Abraham NEVER gave excuses that their Life was more precious than Faith and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah's righteous Laws.
Matthew10:37-39.

Everlasting life is the reward for faithfulness. How foolish it would be to gamble away the prospect of life eternal for the very uncertain promise of a cure by blood transfusion!" Watchtower 1970 Apr 15 p.249.
OBEDIENCE to the Source of Life, Jehovah God is MORE IMPORTANT than your Life itself.


Abraham , Jesus and Jehovah's servants OBEYS Jehovah because of the lesson of Hebrews11:19 & Hebrews 5:7. John 5:28,29.
-the hope of Resurrection. Yahweh who OWNs Life will raise them back to Life.

Jwfacts,Archoladey,rottennaija,Timalt and their Crew no get the Faith and Obedient heart.

All the millions of people who died taking blood transfusions,has jwfacts brought anyone of them back to life?

Jwfacts is DANGEROUS, INSIDIOUS POISON
no goldmine there.

Show me the man/woman who was dismissed for breaking the rules ( wherever he used to be) who doesn't have an axe to grind or play up the victim card?

This is one the of the most foolish claim ever made. Faith and obedience heart? To whom and why? Who do I owe my obey and faith? Jehovah and his word the Bible or the Watchtower organisation with is ever changing rule?

Who should have my obedience? Is watchtower equivalent to Jehovah? Is Bible rules equivalent to governing body rules?

Archoladey
rottennaija
Timalt

Janosky:


Today, JWs ACCEPT organ transplants. It's a personal decision

At that time in the 1960's JW misgivings about organ transplants were justified.

Timalt did medical professionals HAVE GENUINE MISGIVINGS about organ transplants in the 1960's?
Timalt's claims lacks Objectivity.
Timalt KNOWS AND SAW the PROOF:


"'Even from a medical standpoint there is some question as to the wisdom and ethicalness of some transplants. One physician discussed this publicly in the Annals of Internal Medicine, citing the results of 244 kidney-transplant operations. In the majority of cases the recipient did not live more than a year after the operation. Then, commenting on the dangers for the volunteer who donates one of his kidneys, the doctor asked: “Is it right to subject a healthy person . . . to the possibility . . . of shortening his life by 25 or 30 years in order to extend another’s life by 25 or 30 months or less?” Reporting on this, Newsweek, of March 2, 1964, page 74, added that the doctor “offers no conclusive answer, but he suggests that the question needs to be asked more often.”"

Timalt NEVER told anyone that in the 1960's medical professionals had misgivings about organ transplants,but the BIGOTED and HYPOCRITICAL CLOWN singled out JWs for malicious attack.

Timalt WAYO HYPOCRITE.

First you denied that they said it, and you
Were shouting that I was lying that, that was what your organization taught.

Now you shamelessly switch lanes, only to say now you have changed your position on the matter, so the past do not matter. How can someone be this shameless?

The problem with you is that, you speak before thinking, and when you have been exposed, instead of humbly apologizing for your show of shame, you employ ad hominem. You start to call me names.

Lol. I think you are just overwhelmed to see someone who knows more about your organization than you will ever know.

The anger resulting from the humiliating defeat is making you talk wildly without courtesy

By the way, before you lie again and put a different spin on the whole thing, the question is whether the medical community had misgivings about Transplant at the time, the medical community is a scientific community and they have continue to have misgivings about many approved and practiced procedures till this day,and that is why they become better. The point is that organization called it cannibalism and twisted the Bible to support that position not because it was influenced by medical advice.
I have at least one story to share that shows that a devoted Jehovah witness man died from this false doctrine.

I said your organization taught that organ transplant was cannibalism and you came at me like a rabid dog, then I produced more evidence and instead of you to humbly apologize for your ignorance you are still trying to give it a different spin.

Lol. You really don't know anything about your organization. You know what they say about an empty vessel

Thank you

Rozz:
We all have different approach to issues.

Most people don't know the import of the title "God".

Whenever i see atheists i laugh within my soul because they're trying to refute the concept that's insurmountable!

Well "GOD" simply means "SUPREME BEING" the import of this concept is the need for intelligent creatures to reason (think) alike. But majority of religionists are ATHEISTS unknowingly because while they argue against the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses that has successfully achieved the aim of making millions to have the same line of thought regarding rules of conduct and standards, they can't help it but to be insisting on the same idea outside the JW Organization!

Imagine freshboi88 now telling you the type of mindset he want you to have yet claiming Christians should be free from any Organization!

Please why must you think the way he chooses and not you using your own brains?

Rozz my young lady, these people are just like the noisy rushing rivers passing by, if you're not determined to cross and continue your journey, they will carry you away with their noise yet they have nothing better to offer!

Maximus69:


Most people don't know the import of the title "God".

Whenever i see atheists i laugh within my soul because they're trying to refute the concept that's insurmountable!

Well "GOD" simply means "SUPREME BEING" the import of this concept is the need for intelligent creatures to reason (think) alike. But majority of religionists are ATHEISTS unknowingly because while they argue against the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses that has successfully achieved the aim of making millions to have the same line of thought regarding rules of conduct and standards, they can't help it but to be insisting on the same idea outside the JW Organization!

Imagine freshboi88 now telling you the type of mindset he want you to have yet claiming Christians should be free from any Organization!

Please why must you think the way he chooses and not you using your own brains?

Rozz my young lady, these people are just like the noisy rushing rivers passing by, if you're not determined to cross and continue your journey, they will carry you away with their noise yet they have nothing better to offer!

I am entitled to my opinion...aren't I? I am not a fan of sitting on the fence. I like people who have an opinion on issues, it doesn't matter if the person's opinion is at par with mine or not.

Do u now get the gist.

Rozz:
We all have different approach to issues.

Rozz dear, pls I'm am not clandestinely taking a jab at u. I believe we are all entitled to our opinions right? I just believe that people should have opinion on a subject, whether it's religious, political, economical, scientific. Whatever d subject, a strong opinion to me shows how knowledgeable a person is on the subject matter.

I totally understand you. So far so good, u r an amazing person.

freshboi88:


I am entitled to my opinion...aren't I? I am not a fan of sitting on the fence. I like people who have an opinion on issues, it doesn't matter if the person's opinion is at par with mine or not.

Do u now get the gist.

Rozz is not a fool Sir, she surely knows the difference between presentation and pestering!

You've insulted her intelligence several times just because she's actually sitting on the fence.

So if you're truly sitting on the fence as you claim, she shouldn't be insulted for any reason whatsoever, remember she accused us as well not for insulting her but for making her seem like being judged with my presentation, well that's the spirit of true Christianity!

The clarity makes whoever is not on the path of truth feel uncomfortable! Matthew 21:45-46

Janosky:

FRESHBOI GIBBERISH

Make Una see Triune pagan deity devotee fighting tooth and nail to PROVE THE TRUTH Of Jesus Christ WRONG (in Revelations3:5,12).
SHAME ON You, FRESH PAGAN .

Y u no come answer my questions nah.

Y did Stephen ask Jesus to receive his Spirit. That's is strongly against your belief o.

I mean u were quoting scripture that day, telling me how spirits return to Jehovah after death.

So y r u afraid to answer the question about Stephen

freshboi88:


Rozz dear, pls I'm am not clandestinely taking a jab at u. I believe we are all entitled to our opinions right? I just believe that people should have opinion on a subject, whether it's religious, political, economical, scientific. Whatever d subject, a strong opinion to me shows how knowledgeable a person is on the subject matter.

I totally understand you. So far so good, u r an amazing person.

Charity begins at home but it doesn't end there!

Time will tell if you're truly liberal as you're trying to disguise now! Matthew 7:15

Maximus69:


Most people don't know the import of the title "God".

Whenever i see atheists i laugh within my soul because they're trying to refute the concept that's insurmountable!

Well "GOD" simply means "SUPREME BEING" the import of this concept is the need for intelligent creatures to reason (think) alike. But majority of religionists are ATHEISTS unknowingly because while they argue against the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses that has successfully achieved the aim of making millions to have the same line of thought regarding rules of conduct and standards, they can't help it but to be insisting on the same idea outside the JW Organization!

Imagine freshboi88 now telling you the type of mindset he want you to have yet claiming Christians should be free from any Organization!

Please why must you think the way he chooses and not you using your own brains?

Rozz my young lady, these people are just like the noisy rushing rivers passing by, if you're not determined to cross and continue your journey, they will carry you away with their noise yet they have nothing better to offer!

The journey to Paradise is not that far but

THERE ARE MANY (SO MANY) RIVERS TO CROSS

Janosky:


You scrutinize JWs and label them with derogatory names but you hide behind body of Christ wey no agree with you intoto.... Can you imagine Paul , Peter and John teaching diverse CONTRARY spirit filled doctrines ?

Where the early Christians not Lead by a Governing Body?

By the way, is it unscriptural to assemble together in "large kingdom Halls"?

What is the name of your "small group of fellow believers at homes"?


Come clean,Bro

It seems strange to you that I don't associate with any denomination but with Christians. It also pains you that I did not fall into the trap of calling any denomination name so that you can begin your dick measuring contest.

The pharasaical attitude displayed by you and your kinds in your organization is just funny. You are looking for an opportunity to insult and denigrate other Christians. Because in your judgmental small mind, you think that you are better than them.

Now, here again you go making statements before you think. Show me the Governing body in the first century. Haha. Your ignorance is nauseating.
It is only in your own Bible prefix that you find the word governing body. The idea or the very word can never be found in the Bible.

What happened in the first century was One Single incidence of The elders and the Apostles meeting in Jerusalem to settle a problem that was caused by their fellow believing jews who wanted to put a yoke of circumcision on the gentile Christians.
That was the only council ever held and recorded in the Bible and recorded historically.

I ask you show us where the word governing body was used?
I challenge you to show us where it is shown that they had more than one meeting together.
I challenge you to show us evidence that the Congregations received instructiona from this council of brothers in Jerusalem like your congregations receive instruction from America.

The strongest jw Apologist known is Dr Rolf Furuli (PhD) he defends jw like his life depends on it. He was a district overseer. He's still a jw. But even he has written a book to talk about the many false doctrines and evil policies in your midst. Of course he may be disfellowshiped for that. In fact he says he expects to be disfellowshiped.
See what he says about the governing body arrangement in totalitarian high control organization.

I have plenty other sources to show you from, but I said I should share one by your strongest apologist.

BTW I can send you the book If you want

Please everyone should look at the pictures below.

Thank you

Maximus69:


Good morning Sir, hope i didn't get you upset with my slumbering yesterday?

Please forgive me, i slept off!

So back to our friendly discussion.
You and i wanted to discuss as neighbours regarding the differences in our religious beliefs, so i think we both need to be open as in liberal in our friendly discussion!

You are an adult and you've chosen a group out of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians globally just as i do, you feel you're OK with your religion just as i also feel, you believe you're connected to your God just as i also feel. Therefore if we want to discuss on our beliefs i think both of us need to be open and not hide anything behind, remember our salvation solely depends on what we believe! John 3:16

After the death of the Apostles, a religious group emerged called the Roman Catholic Church and lasted for centuries before many of her members began protesting against this Church, it has continued down to our day.
That's why there are over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming Christians today.
Surely the group in your house have no grudge whatsoever against the Catholic Church, so why do you choose to divide the body of Christ if there is nothing hidden?
Why not just continue as one big happy family of worshipers with the Catholic Church, if the standard is OK?

That's where we supposed to start from Sir if truthfully we want to be liberal on this matter, NOT when you just pick one group out of over 41,000 groups PROTESTING against the Catholic Church whereas you too belongs to one of the PROTESTANTS!

Once again good morning Sir, may God bless you!

He wants to play the role of a police officer sent with a search warrant but who doesn't want to identify himself nor the police station he came from, yet insisting the householder have no right to search him first!

If truthfully someone wants to investigate matters with open mind, why not identify yourself and where you're coming from first?

TATIME:


Rozz is not a fool Sir, she surely knows the difference between presentation and pestering!

You've insulted her intelligence several times just because she's actually sitting on the fence.

So if you're truly sitting on the fence as you claim, she shouldn't be insulted for any reason whatsoever, remember she accused me as well not for insulting her but for making her seem like being judged with my presentation, well that's the spirit of true Christianity!

The clarity makes whoever is not on the path of truth feel uncomfortable! Matthew 21:45-46

It is obvious u have a problem with understanding. Little wonder why you have a warped understanding of scripture.

I don't remember calling rozz a fool. So it's either you are blind or just unintelligent.

I can't see from my post how I claimed I am sitting on the fence, I'm sure u don't know what that means.

What piqued my interest in Rozz is that although she has been following the different threads that center on the subject, her opinion hasn't really been crystalized.

I can see it's alien to you for people to have an opinion cos ur governing body deprives you of your fundamental human right, your God given free will. As for me, no church can deny me of the free will God has given me. I am entitled to my opinion about certain people. I only aired that opinion and @Rozz has said it is not her approach.

Guess what, I respect it. So go and hide Ur face in shame

Are you now ready for a friendly unbiased discussion?

I hope you'll do, because there is nothing you can say against any religious group as long as you're not associating with the one and only group that existed after the death of the first century Apostles (Catholic Church)!

Whatever you post or present on Nairaland holds no water because everyone here knows for sure that there are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

Therefore singling out just one group out of the rest for scrutiny whereas all the rest also have conflicting doctrines is a big joke Sir!

Timalt:


It seems strange to you that I don't associate with any denomination but with Christians. It also pains you that I did not fall into the trap of calling any denomination name so that you can begin your dick measuring contest.

The pharasaical attitude displayed by you and your kinds in your organization is just funny. You are looking for an opportunity to insult and denigrate other Christians. Because in your judgmental small mind, you think that you are better than them.

Now, here again you go making statements before you think. Show me the Governing body in the first century. Haha. Your ignorance is nauseating.
It is only in your own Bible prefix that you find the word governing body. The idea or the very word can never be found in the Bible.

What happened in the first century was One Single incidence of The elders and the Apostles meeting in Jerusalem to settle a problem that was caused by their fellow believing jews who wanted to put a yoke of circumcision on the gentile Christians.
That was the only council ever held and recorded in the Bible and recorded historically.

I ask you show us where the word governing body was used?
I challenge you to show us where it is shown that they had more than one meeting together.
I challenge you to show us evidence that the Congregations received instructiona from this council of brothers in Jerusalem like your congregations receive instruction from America.

The strongest jw Apologist known is Dr Rolf Furuli (PhD) he defends jw like his life depends on it. He was a district overseer. He's still a jw. But even he has written a book to talk about the many false doctrines and evil policies in your midst. Of course he may be disfellowshiped for that. In fact he says he expects to be disfellowshiped.
See what he says about the governing body arrangement in totalitarian high control organization.

I have plenty other sources to show you from, but I said I should share one by your strongest apologist.

BTW I can send you the book If you want

Please everyone should look at the pictures below.

Thank you

freshboi88:


It is obvious u have a problem with understanding. Little wonder why you have a warped understanding of scripture.

I don't remember calling rozz a fool. So it's either you are blind or just unintelligent.

I can't see from my post how I claimed I am sitting on the fence, I'm sure u don't know what that means.

What piqued my interest in Rozz is that although she has been following the different threads that center on the subject, her opinion hasn't really been crystalized.

I can see it's alien to you for people to have an opinion cos ur governing body deprives you of your fundamental human right, your God given free will. As for me, no church can deny me of the free will God has given me. I am entitled to my opinion about certain people. I only aired that opinion and @Rozz has said it is not her approach.

Guess what, I respect it. So go and hide Ur face in shame

Please i don't insult people, i just don't understand how you correlated the two bolded?

First you said you're not sitting on the fence, meaning you are a staunch member of your religious group, whatever your church teaches is the best because THERE IS NO SITTING ON THE FENCE!


Secondly no church not even the RCCG you're attending every Sunday can deny you of your freewill! meaning you can't be questioned for whatever the RCCG teaches because you have your own mind on issues!

So how do you correlate the two?

TATIME:


Please i don't insult people, i just don't understand how you correlated the two bolded?

First you said you're not sitting on the fence, meaning you are a staunch member of your religious group, whatever your church teaches is the best because THERE IS NO SITTING ON THE FENCE!


Secondly no church not even the RCCG you're attending every Sunday can deny you of your freewill! meaning you can't be questioned for whatever the RCCG teaches because you have your own mind on issues!

So how do you correlate the two?

I think Christendom Churches need to teach their members on the topic

WHAT SITTING ON THE FENCE MEANS!

If RCCG teaches certain things about being born again and that without being born again adherents will not make heaven, whatever makes someone not following that same teaching is surely not saved, because such a person will perish!
So how can a member of RCCG acknowledge a member of another Church who doesn't believe (trust) in the same teachings to be a born again Christian?

Janosky:


LYING Timalt, WHY did You MISLEAD gullible people on this forum that JWs paid $35m dollars to a plaintiff?


Why did you MISLEAD gullible people on this forum that about organ transplant when the Evidences show that even medical professionals HAVE MISGIVINGS about that practice?


You no SEE am for your Bible where Jesus Christ says he came to cause divisions in homes and families?
Did Jesus Christ and other servants of Jehovah not lose their lives in faithful service to Jehovah?


Where The "wrong expectations and false predictions of Jesus disciples not widely proclaimed" Na E dey your Bible?


Why did You FALSELY accused JWs and told everyone here to shun them?
So much LIES from a "Christian who DON'T discriminate against my fellow Christians..."

Timalt WAYO HYPOCRITE

As usual all Bark and no Bite.

Shamelessly, you have resorted to lying, distortion of facts and even gaslighting. Anyway, it's not surprising because that is exactly what your organization does with its past and history.

First, you ran from the other thread were you claimed that there are no child sex abusers in your congregation and you even lied that the court calls the cases alleged. I provided rolls and rolls of evidence to show that, that is a wicked lie. I even shared your May 2019 watchtower that admitted that child sex abuse is a problem among your ranks.
I then provided evidence that the Watchtower corporation lost a lawsuit and was asked to pay $28 million dollars and not $35 million dollars like you have just lied. The way you lie shocks me. Please show all of us where I wrote $35 million dollars. Your lie is disgusting.

So yes. The court ordered you pay 28 million dollars to the abused victim. But then in 3 years your organization appealed the case on the grounds that it was not its duty to warn congregation members of the presence of a child molester in its midst. It was on this ground that it won the appeal. Not on the ground that the accused abuser was innocent. No! The abuser who's name is Kendrick has already confessed and admitted guilt. So he is guilty and is paying for the crime

The evidence still shows that the abuse is still to be paid 2.8 million dollars.

Here is a link to the thread guys:
https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/9#90200935

The funny thing is that after I exposed Janosky there, he ran away.

I fear who no fear you.

All he does is insult people and call them names. Lol.

Secondly about organ transplant, he's trying to change what I said ooo
What I said was that his organization taught for some years that organ transplant was cannibalism and they twisted the Bible to support their false doctrine. Now Janosky is trying to make it seem like it was the medical practionals that called it cannibalism. Haha
The first organ transplant was done in 1954. Of course as with every new medical procedure, there were concerns about the safety and the ethics behind it. But as we see now, the medical community continued on the path and that is why we have such advancement in that field today.

But the point Janosky is trying to deny is that the Watchtower Society taught in 1967 that organ transplant was cannibalism. This is how controlling they are. Instead of allowing individual Jehovah witnesses to make their own decisions. They made decisions of life and death for them and twisted the Bible to support their false doctrine

Where in the Bible did Jesus disciples teach with evil mathematics that the end will come in 1887,1914, 1920, 1925, 1975?
Show me one verse that showed Jesus disciples predicting a SPECIFIC date.

Just like all Christians today who keep on the watch, Jesus disciples had expectations, but they never formulated mathematical acrobatics and prophesy a particular date. Show me one place they predicted a specific date

You keep trying to use emotions to buy sympathy. Now you have started crying as if you are persecuted because we have engaged you.
I have said my goal on this forum is to arm people with enough information about your organization, the information they will never get from your website. So that whatever decision they make, they will make with two eyes open.

See I have not even started discussing what is in your bethel service desk and circuit overseer policy books. Books you will never read till you die except you wake up.

Thank you

Maximus69:


Good morning Sir, hope i didn't get you upset with my slumbering yesterday?

Please forgive me, i slept off!

So back to our friendly discussion.
You and i wanted to discuss as neighbours regarding the differences in our religious beliefs, so i think we both need to be open as in liberal in our friendly discussion!

You are an adult and you've chosen a group out of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians globally just as i do, you feel you're OK with your religion just as i also feel, you believe you're connected to your God just as i also feel. Therefore if we want to discuss on our beliefs i think both of us need to be open and not hide anything behind, remember our salvation solely depends on what we believe! John 3:16

After the death of the Apostles, a religious group emerged called the Roman Catholic Church and lasted for centuries before many of her members began protesting against this Church, it has continued down to our day.
That's why there are over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming Christians today.
Surely the group in your house have no grudge whatsoever against the Catholic Church, so why do you choose to divide the body of Christ if there is nothing hidden?
Why not just continue as one big happy family of worshipers with the Catholic Church, if the standard is OK?

That's where we supposed to start from Sir if truthfully we want to be liberal on this matter, NOT when you just pick one group out of over 41,000 groups PROTESTING against the Catholic Church whereas you too belongs to one of the PROTESTANTS!

Once again good morning Sir, may God bless you!

You were shouting that we should discuss like adults.

Just take a look at yourself. Lol
Behaving like a juvenile, looking for opportunities to trap me to a specific religious group.

I answered your last question and then I re-asked the same question I have been asking for the past 6 days now and you ignored it again for the umpteenth time. Yet, you still have the face to continue discussing with me. How do you guys do it? How can one be so shameless? Hope you know being shameless is not an insult, it is just stating the fact.

You and your fellow jehovah's witnesses are the first to blow your trumpets about how your religion is the only truth, you jump at the opportunity to insult and denigrate other Christian groups.

Now, the onus is on you. Since you claim you are the only true religion, it is your burden of proof to give. Proof to us by giving biblical and emperical evidence that God and christ did indeed choose you in 1919 as you have claimed.

Am I speaking Chinese for goodness sake.

For some 6 days now. You still have not answered this question. Infact you have repeatedly and sarcastically told me to keep waiting.
Infact you went as far as quoting Matthew 7:6 for me. That you don't give what is holy to dogs.

To prove you have the truth, provide evidence that you were chosen in 1919. This conversation is not about me. I have not stated that whatever group I associate with has absolute truth. You have repeatedly taken that arrogant stand.

Match your words with evidence. As I have said, engaging in a box ticking exercise does not prove you have the truth because every religion especially some of those I mentioned in my last post to you; anabaptist (mennonites), Mormons and seven days adventist have their own boxes too that makes them feel they have the truth.

If they are here too, I would ask them to do thesame thing I have asked of you, which is to provide evidence.

Provide evidence sir and stop this childish show of shame. This is your opportunity to show your evidence to the world

Thank you

freshboi88:


Rozz dear, pls I'm am not clandestinely taking a jab at u. I believe we are all entitled to our opinions right? I just believe that people should have opinion on a subject, whether it's religious, political, economical, scientific. Whatever d subject, a strong opinion to me shows how knowledgeable a person is on the subject matter.

I totally understand you. So far so good, u r an amazing person.

Thanks,nothing serious sef, I am learning from you all

Timalt:

You were shouting that we should discuss like adults.

Just take a look at yourself. Lol
Behaving like a juvenile, looking for opportunities to trap me to a specific religious group.

I answered your last question and then I re-asked the same question I have been asking for the past 6 days now and you ignored it again for the umpteenth time. Yet, you still have the face to continue discussing with me. How do you guys do it? How can one be so shameless? Hope you know being shameless is not an insult, it is just stating the fact.

You and your fellow jehovah's witnesses are the first to blow your trumpets about how your religion is the only truth, you jump at the opportunity to insult and denigrate other Christian groups.

Now, the onus is on you. Since you claim you are the only true religion, it is your burden of proof to give. Proof to us by giving biblical and emperical evidence that God and christ did indeed choose you in 1919 as you have claimed.

Am I speaking Chinese for goodness sake.

For some 6 days now. You still have not answered this question. Infact you have repeatedly and sarcastically told me to keep waiting.
Infact you went as far as quoting Matthew 7:6 for me. That you don't give what is holy to dogs.

To prove you have the truth, provide evidence that you were chosen in 1919. This conversation is not about me. I have not stated that whatever group I associate with has absolute truth. You have repeatedly taken that arrogant stand.

Match your words with evidence. As I have said, engaging in a box ticking exercise does not prove you have the truth because every religion especially some of those I mentioned in my last post to you; anabaptist (mennonites), Mormons and seven days adventist have their own boxes too that makes them feel they have the truth.

If they are here too, I would ask them to do thesame thing I have asked of you, which is to provide evidence.

Provide evidence sir and stop this childish show of shame. This is your opportunity to show your evidence to the world

Thank you

Shamelessness is hiding your own cake behind demanding your fellowman must present his own cake for the both of you to share!

Haba, present your own too so we can both share the two equally nah!

If you want to keep yours then how come you want me to feel ashamed for keeping mine as well?

Please Sir, i believe you don't want to mention the name of any Church so that we won't start scrutinizing both mine and yours, that being the case, you need to answer why you singled out just one religious group for questioning when the world knows over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings?

God bless you Sir!

Maximus69:


Shamelessness is hiding your own cake behind demanding your fellowman must present his own cake for the both of you to share!

Haba, present your own too so we can both share the two equally nah!

If you want to keep yours then how come you want me to feel ashamed for keeping mine as well?

Please Sir, i believe you don't want to mention the name of any Church so that we won't start scrutinizing both mine and yours, that being the case, you need to answer why you singled out just one religious group for questioning when the world knows over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings?

God bless you Sir!

Where are the judges for this two debaters nah?

Make una no hide now o!

It's time to advise the two debaters on how to progress on their discussion!

Once a soldier is always a soldier!

Maximus my brother, you're just too much!

No be so Pharisees come ask Jesus question like say him be criminal?

But when he wanted to make it a give and take they refused to play along! Mark 11:27-33

TATIME:


Where are the judges for this two debaters nah?

Make una no hide now o!

It's time to advise the two debaters on how to progress on their discussion!

Once a soldier is always a soldier!

Maximus my brother, you're just too much!

No be so Pharisees come ask Jesus question like say him be criminal?

But when he wanted to make it a give and take they refused to play along! Mark 11:27-33

I don't know how shame should be for one person when the two are hiding their cakes from sharing o!

Maximus69:


Shamelessness is hiding your own cake behind demanding your fellowman must present his own cake for the both of you to share!

Haba, present your own too so we can both share the two equally nah!

If you want to keep yours then how come you want me to feel ashamed for keeping mine as well?

Please Sir, i believe you don't want to mention the name of any Church so that we won't start scrutinizing both mine and yours, that being the case, you need to answer why you singled out just one religious group for questioning when the world knows over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings?

God bless you Sir!

You keep jumping from thread to thread shouting that you have the truth.

Now all we are asking that you give us evidence that you were chosen in 1919 like you claimed. Give us biblical and emperical evidence.

You have been shouting how only your organization are the narrow door, and how only you will survive your armageddon. Now we say we need evidence to prove that you were chosen in 1919 just as you have claimed.

If you provide biblical and emperical evidence that you were chosen in 1919, then everyone of all religions has no choice but to follow your religion. Since like you have said if we don't follow it, we'll be smitten at Armageddon.

But if you don't provide evidence, then you have no right to tell us that we would all be destroyed because we did not follow your group for a lack of evidence.

Of course you can believe whatever you want. Just like I am happy to see Muslims believe what they believe. I am happy to see Buddhist and Hindus believe what they believe. I don't go around telling them that they will die at Armageddon if they don't believe what I believe.
Who am I to judge?

Provide evidence or come down from your high horse. You go to people's homes and online here telling them to re-examine their religious beliefs, and then you direct them to your website. When we do the same thing you do to others, you cry. We tell you too to re-examine your beliefs and scrutinize it and we direct you to websites like www.jwfacts.com that facts check your doctrines and policies. But you wouldn't go to websites that fact checks your organization because your governing body has told you that it is apostate literature.
But you want people to visit your own website.

All we are saying is give us biblical and emperical evidence o that you were chosen in 1919 as your organization has claimed they have been chosen.

Guys see what Jehovahs witnesses said in 1967, while they were anticipating 1975

When the many factors are put together, we find that our generation, our day is the one that is identified in the Bible as the “last days.” In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
- Watchtower 1967 April 1 pp19

As time permits each day and for as long as I can remain on this forum, I will be giving you guys quotes from watchtower publications each morning before heading to work.

Timalt:


You keep jumping from thread to thread shouting that you have the truth.

Now all we i are asking that you give us me evidence that you were chosen in 1919 like you claimed. Give us biblical and emperical evidence.

You have been shouting how only your organization are the narrow door, and how only you will survive your armageddon. Now we say we need evidence to prove that you were chosen in 1919 just as you have claimed.

If you provide biblical and emperical evidence that you were chosen in 1919, then everyone of all religions has no choice but to follow your religion. Since like you have said if we i don't follow it, we'll i'll be smitten at Armageddon.

But if you don't provide evidence, then you have no right to tell us me that we i would all be destroyed because we i did not follow your group for a lack of evidence.

Of course you can believe whatever you want. Just like I am happy to see Muslims believe what they believe. I am happy to see Buddhist and Hindus believe what they believe. I don't go around telling them that they will die at Armageddon if they don't believe what I believe.
Who am I to judge?

Provide evidence or come down from your high horse. You go to people's homes and online here telling them to re-examine their religious beliefs, and then you direct them to your website. When we do the same thing you do to others, you cry. We tell you too to re-examine your beliefs and scrutinize it and we direct you to websites like www.jwfacts.com that facts check your doctrines and policies. But you wouldn't go to websites that fact checks your organization because your governing body has told you that it is apostate literature.
But you want people to visit your own website.

All we i are saying is give us me biblical and emperical evidence o that you were chosen in 1919 as your organization has claimed they have been chosen.

Please Sir i thought it should be between you and i, NOT between my group and unidentified persons from different groups!

Moreover you said you can't judge people from other religions like Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and co.

But please Sir how do you explain what Jesus said at John 3:16 to these people?

Can they live forever without having faith in Christ Jesus or they will perish?

Maximus69:


Please Sir i thought it should be between you and i, NOT between my group and unidentified persons from different groups!

Moreover you said you can't judge people from other religions like Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and co.

But please Sir how do you explain what Jesus said at John 3:16 to these people?

Can they live forever without having faith in Christ Jesus or they will perish?

He thought it was easy for Jesus' followers to keep preaching that out of all the Jewish religious teachers in the first century only Jesus (their own teacher) was chosen by Jehovah (the God of the Jews)

Timalt:
Guys see what Jehovahs witnesses said in 1967, while they were anticipating 1975

When the many factors are put together, we find that our generation, our day is the one that is identified in the Bible as the “last days.” In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
- Watchtower 1967 April 1 pp19

As time permits each day and for as long as I can remain on this forum, I will be giving you guys quotes from watchtower publications each morning before heading to work.

The Watchtower of 1967 is VERY FACTUAL and spot on.

WHY?

Mark 1:15, "and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel. ... Repent of your sins and believe the Good News!' "

Every day and every year since Jesus Christ spoke the WORDS of Mark 1:15, "the kingdom of God is at hand" even in this year 2020.

Timalt, do you believe the WORDS of Jesus Christ?


Una see am? Timalt ,member of the body of Christ dey DECEIVE himself dey attack the WORDS of Jesus Christ on a public forum.
Oh la la.......

Maximus69:


Please Sir i thought it should be between you and i, NOT between my group and unidentified persons from different groups!

Moreover you said you can't judge people from other religions like Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and co.

But please Sir how do you explain what Jesus said at John 3:16 to these people?

Can they live forever without having faith in Christ Jesus or they will perish?

This is, I think day 6, and this my question still dey wait for answer.

provide biblical and emperical evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919.

Na Chinese I dey speak?

Thank you

Janosky:


The Watchtower of 1967 is VERY factual and spot on.

WHY?

Mark 1:15, "and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel. ... Repent of your sins and believe the Good News!' "

Every day and every year since Jesus Christ spoke the WORDS of Mark 1:15, "the kingdom of God is at hand" even in this year 2020.

Timalt, do you believe the WORDS of Jesus Christ?

Them that means you believe the last days started in the first century and not in 1914 as your organization claims.

By the way, the kingdom of God is at hand is not the same with the hairsplitting and text padding your organization did in 1967. Incase you have forgotten see what they wrote.

When the many factors are put together, we find that our generation, our day is the one that is identified in the Bible as the “last days.” In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
- Watchtower 1967 April 1 pp19

I for one believe that the last days or end time started since the first century, the question is do you? Or do you believe it started in 1914?

Thank you