TAO11:


You think I am pained and you're glad cos of what you think. Lol.
You're a lost cause.

Baby Ibadan decimated what you call an empire.

This is the big issue that should bring daily tears to every bonafide Bini.

And your attachment is fake per se because only a part of it.

Why not attach how your 2by2 Benin kingdom was begging Otun-Ekiti for peace pact after Otun-Ekiti slaughtered many of Benin military commanders.

I learnt recently that even the small Ishans slaughter one of your Obas in battle just how Owo slaughter your military leader.

TAO11:


Except that what we find in history is that:

(1) Baby Ibadan (not even the whole of Yorubas) conquered your 2by2 Benin Kingdom.

(2) Distant Nupe came later to add insult upon the injury done by Ibadan.

(3) Little Ishan slaughtered your Oba in battle.

(4) Stubborn Owo defeated your military at least on two different occasions killing the Benin military leader whose name is Iken in the first.

(5) Your 2by2 Kingdom begged Fearless Otun-Ekiti for peace after OtunEkiti had slauhtered almost all the top Benin commanders.

Now this is History!

gomojam:
Your husband is a lucky man. Kudos.

For the last time.
In the early colonial era, Yoruba chiefs like the ooni of ife were referred to as "ooni of ife, sir sijuade".
Notice the use of the word "sir", a foreign word, a British word meant to attach Yoruba monarchy to that if Britain and bring in a sense of greatness into it.
Later on in the colonial era, pan Africanism was popular so the Yoruba replaced the word "sir" with the title of the emperor of Benin and it became: "ooni of ife, Oba sijuade".
Yoruba don't have any such thing as Oba, it is borrowed from Benin empire.

Unless ife, oyo were not kingdoms but dukedoms, the ife word for king is ooni and the oyo word for king is alafin.

There is no ancestral general Yoruba word for king due to the fact Yoruba is a new tribe created by regrouping many other tribes.

TAO12:


Another dvmb comment from the illiterate self-acclaimed nursery school match teacher whom I forced to delete his many nairaland accounts.

(1) "Sir" was added to the address of Oba Adesoji Aderemi by virtue of his doubling as the Governor of Western Nigeria.

(2) For the umpteenth time, the word "Ọba" is not present at all in the Edo lexicon till today.

I still wonder how Edo people gave what they don't have.

(3) The closest words to "Ọba" from the Edo lexicon are words which:

(i) Are spelt differently.

(ii) Sound differently.

(iii) Have different meanings with nothing to do with monarchy.

(4) In the Yoruba language, in contrast, the word "Ọba" literally means: "One who reigns-supreme".

It becomes clear that this particular word was loaned from the Yoruba language into Edo. See also attachment below from D.M. Bondarenko'

(5) Just like the word "Pharaoh", words like "Ooni", "Alaafin", etc. do not by themselves mean "King" or "Monarch" even though they are applied to the monarchs of ancient Egypt, Ife, Oyo respectively.

These are unique royal titles for the monarchs of these respective kingdoms. They run alongside the common noun for "King" in the respective languages --- "Ọba" being the Yoruba equivalent.

(6) Your dvmb claim that Yoruba is a recent tribe is similar to saying that "Benin" or "Edo" is a tribe created in the 1500s/1600s because these words were not used prior to then.

(7) The ancestral generic Yoruba word for "King" "Ọba" was loaned into the Edo lexicon beginning with the Oranmiyan/Eweka dynasty.

(8 ) The ancestral generic umbrella terms with which all Yoruba subgroups collectively identify themselves before the word "Yoruba" was adopted were: "Lukumi"and "Nago", and later "Aku".

The word "Yoruba" used to be applied exclusively to the Oyo subgroup.

davidnazee:


Lie lie.

TAO12:

davidnazee:


pot calling kettle black.. Slander is your middle name.

TAO12:


Sorry o Kettle.

davidnazee:


Ok pot.

davidnazee:


I have gone through many threads on here were Yoruba claimed Queen of Sheba territory included Ijebu and Ife and she was buried there. And also that Ijebu is the real Jerusalem known as Jebu Isalem.
You guys are a joke lol.

Nobody
Yoruba love to insert themselves on other people's history and hijack other people's history because Yoruba have no history of their own.

TAO12:


Indeed, only a "Nobody" will type such gibberish as the above.

davidnazee:


Your obsession with Benin is a sickness for you.. you are still trying to prove your foolish theories..

TAO12:


It seems we've finally found the Nobody!

And I'm obsessed with busting Bini lies.

Cheers!

Edeyoung:


Your brothers are asking for the refrence book were it was written benin spoke Yoruba in the palace

TAO12:


Lol. I'm not sure why you're so interested on his behalf.

The reference and quote is as I have typed into the attachment shown below.

Moreover, this same reference to the French Father's 1640 account (of the use of Yoruba language as Benin Kingdom's lingua-franca) is also cited by Professor R.C.C. Law on page 209 of his "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade".

Cheers!

Edeyoung:


It never said it was spoken in the benin palace or by benins ...

TAO12:


Lol ... You talk too much!

(1) "THEIR language" (i.e. the language of "the people" of Benin Kingdom) is Lucumin language.

Strangely, this to you means the language of some anonymous non-Bini minorities. Lol.

(2) Learn the meaning of "lingua-franca" and consider the attached page I earlier mentioned.



I 'pray' that God will someday direct you to an accptable face-save excuse.

Edeyoung:



The fact it mentioned lucumies were employed in benin palace activities makes it already known that lucumies were distinct people from the benins.....

Areas surrounding benins still speak Yoruba (lucumies language today)

The yorubas such as Itsekiris ijebu and the whiteman used to trade in benin river and this people spoke the lucumies language and it was universal to them

Gregyboy screenshot further explains it....

TAO12:


Yes lucumies are distinct people from Binis. I'm surprised you're just realizing that. But that's even only one aspect of the whole thing.

The issue here, however, is about the lingua-franca of BENIN Kingdom being the language of the lucumies.

The documentation does not talk about the language of the "areas surrounding Benin" ... lol ... neither does it talk about the language of the "Itsekiri" ... lol... nor does it talk about the language of the Ijebu ...lol.

It clearly refers specifically to the language (lingua-franca) of Benin Kingdom being the Yorubas' language.

See the attachments once again for a reminder.

Edeyoung:



Like i maintained earlier benin was the known geographic focal point that's why, it came into the statement it was never included as speaker of lucumies as you are saying


Sandov didn't mention lucumies as a language in benin even when he reported the actvites of the palace


We knew the yorubas came to trade with the whiteman at the benin river at ughoton and Gelegele so the yorubas traders spoke thier language lucumies while trading at benin

So the french was not wrong.....


Today we still speak edo and yorubas still speak yoruba if benin spoke Yoruba why did they switch why only them.... If we are to go by your explanation

davidnazee:


Your obsession with Benin is a sickness for you.. you are still trying to prove your foolish theories..

TAO12:


Lol ...

(1) The Report:
The language/lingua-franca of Benin is the Yoruba language.

(2) Edeyoung:
The report says that the language/lingua-franca of Itsekiri and Ijebu is the Yoruba language.

No, the report doesn't say 2 anywhere.

For all sane persons with zero inferiority complex, the report says 1 plainly.





Anyways, you may continue to hold on to your plain opposite if you think it helps you sleep at night (especially during these tough times).

I can't force you into sanity. Neither can I force sanity into you. No, I can't.

TAO12:


Lol ...

(1) The Report:
The language/lingua-franca of Benin is the Yoruba language.

(2) Edeyoung:
The report says that the language/lingua-franca of Itsekiri and Ijebu is the Yoruba language.

No, the report doesn't say 2 anywhere.

For all sane persons with zero inferiority complex, the report says 1 plainly.





Anyways, you may continue to hold on to your plain opposite if you think it helps you sleep at night (especially during these tough times).

I can't force you into sanity. Neither can I force sanity into you. No, I can't.

MetaPhysical:




So its now an obsession?
David, this girl has scattered your 500yr old otumokpor. Surrender your night broomstick now and promise never to do witchcraft anymore.




TAO,
Great job jare!

davidnazee:


She (Yorubas) can have my broomstick if it will boost your weak and inferior egos. I no want am again lol.
You people are desperately trying to steal the glory and achievements of another tribe just to make yourselves look great lol. Well it’s understandable to envy Benin Kingdom especially when you open history books and all you see is mighty Benin Kingdom but trying to claim it as yours when it’s not is shameful and inferior.
Keep trying to repair your inferior history.

Edeyoung:



No sense bro,

If benins spoke lucumies language what changed, yorubas still speak lucumie today why only did edo change

Or was the french classifying all languages around the benin region as lucumies....

Or was the french man high....


What changed lucumies language in benin to edo language

Sadov gave a clear example that the lucumies were slaves in the palace and were still sold off by benins to the the whiteman as slaves

Edeyoung:



https://www.nairaland.com/5894619/benin-influence-yorubas

TAO12:


I have responded to this link there where I alluded to the historical fact (also attached evidence) of how Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves and sacked many territories of Benin Kingdom.