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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:29pm On Jun 19, 2020
"against" clearly means "In Opposition"

If i pray against Satan, it simply means, i am attacking an easy-going Satan with my prayers

If i pray for protection from Satan, it means, I request a sheild over me from his afflictions, whispers.

Did you get it now ? or you still wanna pretend in ignorance to justify falacy ?
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:30pm On Jun 19, 2020
tintingz:


If I do it now how will you know I actually did it?

Ok, should i announce it here?

Deal?

This is digital age bro grin grin
Do a video recording. grin
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 11:32pm On Jun 19, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Let me take you some diction tutorial;

Protect yourself from Coronavirus
Protect yourself against Coronavirus


Which is correct?
Both are correct. grin

E.g Use face mask as protection against coronavirus.

See image attached. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/against

Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 11:34pm On Jun 19, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


This is digital age bro grin grin
Do a video recording. grin

No video record or voice note on nairaland.

Do we still have a deal?
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:41pm On Jun 19, 2020
tintingz:
Both are correct. grin

E.g Use face mask as protection against coronavirus.

See image attached. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/against

Capital NO !

Go ask primary four kids, its a very simple diction.
You Protect from
You dont protect against

Habaaa.... take a second look at the sentence that originated this explanation grin
“I seek refuge in Allah from the outcast Shaitan”

The statement has absolutely nothing to do with against in any form.

Its like when you run away from rainfall to hide under a canopy during a heavy downpour, its irrational to twist such and say you are running against rainfal. Anything against the rainfall simply means you are giving some sorts of attack to the rain.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:44pm On Jun 19, 2020
tintingz:


No video record or voice note on nairaland.

Do we still have a deal?

Theres life outside NL bro, do the video recording & forward to me for verification !
I want to see it real with your swollen eyes, first speech, first confession & with all sincerity. Then there is a DEAL!
will share my watsap with you.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by IMAliyu(m): 11:53pm On Jun 19, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Capital NO !

Go ask primary four kids, its a very simple diction.
You Protect from
You dont protect against

Habaaa.... take a second look at the sentence that originated this explanation grin
“I seek refuge in Allah from the outcast Shaitan”

The statement has absolutely nothing to do with against in any form.

Its like when you run away from rainfall to hide under a canopy during a heavy downpour, its irrational to twist such and say you are running against rainfal. Anything against the rainfall simply means you are giving some sorts of attack to the rain.



I don't get the semantics you guys are going back and forth on.

"I seek refuge in Allah from shaitan the accursed one"

Could easily be synonymized as
"I ask protection in Allah against/from (the deception of) the accursed Shaitan"
And the meaning remains consistent.

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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:55pm On Jun 19, 2020
IMAliyu:


I don't get the semantics you guys are going back and forth on.

"I seek refuge in Allah from shaitan the accursed one"

Could easily be synonymized as
"I ask protection in Allah against/from (the deception of) the accursed Shaitan"
And the meaning remains consistent.

Lets focus on our DEAL !
dont digress
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:56pm On Jun 19, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Theres life outside NL bro, do the video recording & forward to me for verification !
I want to see it real with your swollen eyes, first speech, first confession & with all sincerity. Then there is a DEAL!
will share my watsap with you.


grin
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:56pm On Jun 19, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:
Do one assignment tommorrow morning immediately you wake up from sleep (before talking to anyone & eating).
I know you do not believe in God & Spirituality. So fine, just take this as a litmus test.

Put your right hand on you forehead, call your names, call your mothers name 3 times, & tell God to ruin your ways beyond measures.
Tell Him to bring destruction and confussion to your endaevours and path if He truly exist.
Tell Him to endanger you with His Infinite difficulties.

dm me on Monday for feedbacks (thats if you still have a phone by then).

No fears.... do it with all sincerity !!!

grin grin
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 12:01am On Jun 20, 2020
IMAliyu:


I don't get the semantics you guys are going back and forth on.

"I seek refuge in Allah from shaitan the accursed one"

Could easily be synonymized as
"I ask protection in Allah against/from (the deception of) the accursed Shaitan"
And the meaning remains consistent.

You started the semantics by twisting words, saying "We pray against Satan"
"asking protection in Allah against/from (the deception of) the accursed Shaitan" as u clearly stated is far different from
PRAYING AGAINST (attacking) an innocent Satan.

Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 12:09am On Jun 20, 2020
I know you will flee
grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 2:57am On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Capital NO !

Go ask primary four kids, its a very simple diction.
You Protect from
You dont protect against

Habaaa.... take a second look at the sentence that originated this explanation grin
“I seek refuge in Allah from the outcast Shaitan”

The statement has absolutely nothing to do with against in any form.

Its like when you run away from rainfall to hide under a canopy during a heavy downpour, its irrational to twist such and say you are running against rainfal. Anything against the rainfall simply means you are giving some sorts of attack to the rain.


You can run against the rain by going opposite direction or in preparation of the rain or in avoidance of the rain. It's all semantic.

I'm tired of this your nonsense.

Anyways your God is evil too, seek refuge away from him and use logic against him.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 2:59am On Jun 20, 2020
IMAliyu:


I don't get the semantics you guys are going back and forth on.

"I seek refuge in Allah from shaitan the accursed one"

Could easily be synonymized as
"I ask protection in Allah against/from (the deception of) the accursed Shaitan"
And the meaning remains consistent.

Thank you.

I told him both are correct, he keeps saying it's not, I even helped him with the definition.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 3:05am On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Theres life outside NL bro, do the video recording & forward to me for verification !
I want to see it real with your swollen eyes, first speech, first confession & with all sincerity. Then there is a DEAL!
will share my watsap with you.


Nope.

I guess you're not ready to strike any deal, you don't have confidence with your God.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 7:09am On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


Nope.

I guess you're not ready to strike any deal, you don't have confidence with your God.

Its obvious youre now playing hide n seek with the deal !
You lacks confidence and cant go any further, first you claimed videos arent allowed on NL, now youre fleeing away again without a single valid excuse

Dont be a dissgrace to your fellow atheist ! grin

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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 7:19am On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:
You can run against the rain by going opposite direction or in preparation of the rain or in avoidance of the rain. It's all semantic.

I'm tired of this your nonsense.

Anyways your God is evil too, seek refuge away from him and use logic against him.

Now i see how childish you think,
Who owns the logic ?
Who owns the refuge ?
Who gave the life ?
He owns both Evil & Goodness, We seek His mercies to grant us His Goodness and keep us away from His evil. V simple

Just like your boss can promote you at work, same boss who has powers to fire you or make life miserable for you. You do his will promptly & always to seek his favours and likeness.

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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 10:32am On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Now i see how childish you think,
Who owns the logic ?
Who owns the refuge ?
Who gave the life ?
He owns both Evil & Goodness, We seek His mercies to grant us His Goodness and keep us away from His evil. V simple

Just like your boss can promote you at work, same boss who has powers to fire you or make life miserable for you. You do his will promptly & always to seek his favours and likeness.

You're still proving my point. My boss can be a bad person just like your God is evil.

Stop wasting your time praying against Satan and blaming him for evil, your God is the evil himself, runaway from him.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 10:39am On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Its obvious youre now playing hide n seek with the deal !
You lacks confidence and cant go any further, first you claimed videos arent allowed on NL, now youre fleeing away again without a single valid excuse

Dont be a dissgrace to your fellow atheist ! grin

Is there any video option on Nairaland?

I gave you the opportunity to prove your God by praying to your God to give me sign, you can't. If you're sure your God exist what's stopping you from doing so?

Like I said you're not confidence with God.

Swerve man.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:00am On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


You're still proving my point. My boss can be a bad person just like your God is evil.

Stop wasting your time praying against Satan and blaming him for evil, your God is the evil himself, runaway from him.

No ! i rather run to Him to bestow his goodness on me, since from Him comes both good & evil

We dont Pray against Satan & We dont blame him for evil. God unleashes good & evil
Your points remains irrelevant and you still remain a disgrace to your fellow Atheist because of your deep ignorance and lies.

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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 11:11am On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


Is there any video option on Nairaland?

I gave you the opportunity to prove your God by praying to your God to give me sign, you can't. If you're sure your God exist what's stopping you from doing so?

Like I said you're not confidence with God.

Swerve man.

You obviously lacks intelligent.
You claim God & spiritualities doesnt exist, i told you to take a lil assignment and revert to me your feedbacks. You failed (poor soul)
Why the dribbles left & right ?

Its your life, its your belief, its a free world. Take God or leave it (your own problem).
Whenever you are done playing pranks. Take the assignment. Do a video record, dm me, i'll forward you my watsaap so i can get to see.

No jokes here, If u do it without any signs/conviction. Ill renounce my faith!
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 12:10pm On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


You obviously lacks intelligent.
You claim God & spiritualities doesnt exist, i told you to take a lil assignment and revert to me your feedbacks. You failed (poor soul)
Why the dribbles left & right ?

Its your life, its your belief, its a free world. Take God or leave it (your own problem).
Whenever you are done playing pranks. Take the assignment. Do a video record, dm me, i'll forward you my watsaap so i can get to see.

No jokes here, If u do it without any signs/conviction. Ill renounce my faith!


Nah.. I want it public here.

I've done this many times before I left Islam, Allah never showed up, so maybe if you talk to Allah he may show up and if he didn't you have to renounce Islam. Deal?
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 12:14pm On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


No ! i rather run to Him to bestow his goodness on me, since from Him comes both good & evil

We dont Pray against Satan & We dont blame him for evil. God unleashes good & evil
Your points remains irrelevant and you still remain a disgrace to your fellow Atheist because of your deep ignorance and lies.


Why are you running to a God that's evil? Is this stoic or stockholm syndrome? Or you like evil too?

Your God love evil, I wonder why he gave laws when he's evil, I wonder why he wants to throw people inside hell when he's evil himself.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 12:25pm On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


Nah.. I want it public here.

I've done this many times before I left Islam, Allah never showed up, so maybe if you talk to Allah he may show up and if he didn't you have to renounce Islam. Deal?

grin grin grin Laughs in Japannese....
Do exactly what i stated in my assignment. else no point talking further bro.
One love
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 12:35pm On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


Why are you running to a God that's evil? Is this stoic or stockholm syndrome? Or you like evil too?

Your God love evil, I wonder why he gave laws when he's evil, I wonder why he wants to throw people inside hell when he's evil himself.

You claim "God loves evil"
"Good" or "Evil" which of these did God instructed you to do when you were a Muslim ?
He uses evil as either "Punishment" or "Tests" in a just manner. SEEK KNOWLEDGE bro !

Did your father never ever flogged you while growing up? Does that make him a wicked & evil man ?
U need elementary coaching !!!
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 12:45pm On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


You claim "God loves evil"
"Good" or "Evil" which of these did God instructed you to do when you were a Muslim ?
He uses evil as either "Punishment" or "Tests" in a just manner. SEEK KNOWLEDGE bro !

Did your father never ever flogged you while growing up? Does that make him a wicked & evil man ?
U need elementary coaching !!!


You've clearly said God is responsible for evil. Case close.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by Rilwayne001: 1:39pm On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


You've clearly said God is responsible for evil. Case close.

Typical of you. Never taking correction even when your illogical thinking has been exposed.

A knowledge seeking wise man would admit to errors in thinking when he makes one, that's how he learns and grow. But of course a mind full of ego and presuming himself to be an epitome of intelligence will never admit to his own fallacy. Basically because he's so flawless and think himself impossible to make stupid logical claims.

Again, your atheist brother must be really ashamed of you. cheesy grin

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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 2:13pm On Jun 20, 2020
Rilwayne001:


Typical of you. Never taking correction even when your illogical thinking has been exposed.

A knowledge seeking wise man would admit to errors in thinking when he makes one, that's how he learns and grow. But of course a mind full of ego and presuming himself to be an epitome of intelligence will never admit to his own fallacy. Basically because he's so flawless and think himself impossible to make stupid logical claims.

Again, your atheist brother must be really ashamed of you. cheesy grin

Stop this strawman and leave my Atheists brothers out of this, they know who has flopped/cornered. I didn't say God is evil, your Muslim brother clearly admit it. So God is evil, the thread topic has proved It point.

Again, case closed.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 2:24pm On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


Stop this strawman and leave my Atheists brothers out of this, they know who has flopped/cornered. I didn't said God is evil in this thread, your Muslim brother clearly admit it. So God is evil, the thread topic has proved It point.

Again, case closed.

Its either you are clearly confused or irrationally biased.

God is not Evil...... He unleashes both Goodness and Evil in a just manner as punishment or as test on humanity.

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Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 2:28pm On Jun 20, 2020
I repeat ! would you wake up one day to re-name the Sun as "Light" or "Heat"? just because it has capacities to uniquely unleash both energies?
Of course ppl will call you stupid, fool or being hipocritical

It brings both light and heat, so call it the name that captures all its capacities "SUN"

God is not evil, He is GOD (The Mighty, Supreme, All-Wise)
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by tintingz(m): 2:29pm On Jun 20, 2020
LabuleofNigeria:


Its either you are clearly confused or irrationally biased.

God is not Evil...... He unleashes both Goodness and Evil in a just manner as punishment or as test on humanity.

Doesn't change the fact he isn't evil, you said God created evil and responsible for it existence.

How do you punish someone with evil without being evil?

How do you test someone with evil without being evil?

You have to be evil and love evil to do this, God cannot be all-good.
Re: The Paradox And Dilemma Of An All-good And All-loving God by LabuleofNigeria: 2:36pm On Jun 20, 2020
tintingz:


Doesn't change the fact he isn't evil, you said God created evil and responsible for it existence.

How do you punish someone with evil without being evil?

How do you test someone with evil without being evil?

You have to be evil and love evil to do this, God cannot be all-good.

Hasnt your father ever flogged you mercilessly to correct you or as punishment while growing up ?
Does that make your father "Wicked" ?

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