blazingblender:
you know it had been beta if u had jxt shut up than saying this complete shit

Samiah33:

Are you an atheist?

Righteousness89:


Father, we send prayers for this Bbeloved Bbrother..

Have Mmercy on Him LORD! Give him a Aan Eexperience that will make him Bbow to you! In JESUS Name... Amen..

You are Bblessed bro..

doggedfighter:

I sound masculine?

Righteousness89:
It's funny when some brethren here give explanations for the events hitting the Earth

Listen!
No place is safe!

When I Look at June / July, what I see is a repetition of the events in the days of Noah!

No nation is safe!

The only safe place is "The Ark"

That Ark is *JESUS CHRIST*..

Leave all arguments and nonessentials talks that have no benefit to your Soul!

Humble yourself, Jump or fly into the Ark immediately..

The Ark will Soon be Shut!

sonofElElyon:
you only focused on natural elemental factors which is a grave error.. human / spiritual factors will be the determinants.
like I said, do some eschatological research first to get the other perspective.

factor

Elvis778:

I only talk about natural stuffs because God controls the world through nature the spiritual realm works hand in hand with nature, he doesn't do magic, he set a law called nature and he obeys his own laws, that's why Christ didn't fall from heaven, he was born by a woman.....(obeyed the law of nature) besides, nature is fact and can be proven.....

sonofElElyon:
God actually rules the world through human and spirit personalities principally.
the human factor and the influence of spirit entities play a great role and indeed the deciding role in the fate of the world. again I recommend you do some eschatological research and indeed historical research..

Elvis778:

forget your "eschatological" stuffs, my point is, if God wants the world to end, it won't end in an "unnatural" way....it's either he allows us end it ourselves, he allows climate end us, a huge asteroid, or it ends by the collision theory, and if non of the former happens, then the earth is gonna end via collision, and remember what your Bible says, he won't destroy the world with water again, but with fire (which is what happens when two planets collide, when a huge asteroid hits a planet or when a volcano errupts)

sonofElElyon:
you seem not to understand that these so called natural occurrences of yours can be controlled by spirit forces. even heathen religions believe in sango the god of thunder and even Thor for the Europeans. God sent fire and sulphur to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. God sent the 10 plagues to Egypt through Moses.. they didn't just happen. God sent an angel who caused pestilence as punishment and approximately 80,000 Israelites died. the cause of the cause is the cause of the effect (causa causae est causa causati). you must always look to the original cause. both good and bad spirits control elemental forces. if also there is a nuclear war that annihilates the world, it will be due to the human factor as influenced by malevolent forces.. you need to broaden your knowledge. even if you won't agree with a contrary position at least understand it. go learn about eschatology and the human factor in the course of the world's history

Elvis778:

Fire and sulphur....do you realize that could as well be a volcanic eruption? ofcourse that's what it is and it's still natural, that's exactly my point but you simply don't want to understand me, I plainly stated that no matter when or how God wants the earth to end, it must be in a natural way, and I listed the very possible ways, though I forgot viral diseases, of which the greatest threat as of now is influenza related diseases.... throughout the Bible God only sent natural punishments, and he is never gonna deviate from that, he doesn't change......so if the world is going to end any day, it's going to be natural, and good thing most threats posed by nature can be tracked, am not too sure but I don't think that will happen any time soon, cuz as of now, we have very little threats.....

sonofElElyon:
you still don't get it. they dont always happen by themselves and therefore they don't have to follow your projected time frame for their occurrence. furthermore war and development of biological nuclear chemical weapons of mass destruction are human related and humans and well as nature are susceptible to control by spirit forces.
p.s. fire and sulphur that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah were not from a volcanic eruption.. the Bible says Jehovah rained fire and sulphur "out of heaven".

Elvis778:

That's exactly how volcanic eruptions happen, it could also be half burnt asteroids that struck earth and happened to land in the city of Sodom, any writer from that period would present it that way(if it truely happened) because they were not advanced in science and have little or no explanation for natural occurances like that, these are people that thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth....about occurance of natural disasters, whether they were caused by spirits or not, it follows processes and those processes is what science tracks and the data gotten is analysed and used to estimate what time frame the big thing would happen.... natural disasters ain't immediate.....the process that lead to the 7.1 earthquake in Mexico started long before it occurred....

Elvis778:

That's exactly how volcanic eruptions happen, it could also be half burnt asteroids that struck earth and happened to land in the city of Sodom, any writer from that period would present it that way(if it truely happened) because they were not advanced in science and have little or no explanation for natural occurances like that, these are people that thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth....about occurance of natural disasters, whether they were caused by spirits or not, it follows processes and those processes is what science tracks and the data gotten is analysed and used to estimate what time frame the big thing would happen.... natural disasters ain't immediate.....the process that lead to the 7.1 earthquake in Mexico started long before it occurred....

worldclass68:





Gimme her number, I can accommodate her....

sonofElElyon:

You don't believe in divine revelation so really no point to proceed with this discussion. Moses who wrote the book of Genesis wasn't alive when the events of Sodom and Gomorrah occured. God revealed the information to him and what he wrote down was that God visited Abraham and revealed that He was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Afterwards he sent 2 angels who did exactly just that!
Moses specifically stated that God rained down fire and sulphur "FROM HEAVEN". You seek to give this plain statement your own personal interpretation and import a far fetched meaning to a straight forward literal statement.

[author=Elvis778 post=91072927]
That's exactly how volcanic eruptions happen, it could also be half burnt asteroids that struck earth and happened to land in the city of Sodom, any writer from that period would present it that way(if it truely happened) because they were not advanced in science and have little or no explanation for natural occurances like that, these are people that thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth....about occurance of natural disasters, whether they were caused by spirits or not, it follows processes and those processes is what science tracks and the data gotten is analysed and used to estimate what time frame the big thing would happen.... natural disasters ain't immediate.....the process that lead to the 7.1 earthquake in Mexico started long before it occurred....





That's exactly how volcanic eruptions happen, it could also be half burnt asteroids that struck earth and happened to land in the city of Sodom, any writer from that period would present it that way(if it truely happened) because they were not advanced in science and have little or no explanation for natural occurances like that, these are people that thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth....about occurance of natural disasters, whether they were caused by spirits or not, it follows processes and those processes is what science tracks and the data gotten is analysed and used to estimate what time frame the big thing would happen.... natural disasters ain't immediate.....the process that lead to the 7.1 earthquake in Mexico started long before it occurred....

sonofElElyon:

You don't believe in divine revelation so really no point to proceed with this discussion. Moses who wrote the book of Genesis wasn't alive when the events of Sodom and Gomorrah occured. God revealed the information to him and what he wrote down was that God visited Abraham and revealed that He was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Afterwards he sent 2 angels who did exactly just that!
Moses specifically stated that God rained down fire and sulphur "FROM HEAVEN". You seek to give this plain statement your own personal interpretation and import a far fetched meaning to a straight forward literal statement.

[author=Elvis778 post=91072927]
That's exactly how volcanic eruptions happen, it could also be half burnt asteroids that struck earth and happened to land in the city of Sodom, any writer from that period would present it that way(if it truely happened) because they were not advanced in science and have little or no explanation for natural occurances like that, these are people that thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth....about occurance of natural disasters, whether they were caused by spirits or not, it follows processes and those processes is what science tracks and the data gotten is analysed and used to estimate what time frame the big thing would happen.... natural disasters ain't immediate.....the process that lead to the 7.1 earthquake in Mexico started long before it occurred....





That's exactly how volcanic eruptions happen, it could also be half burnt asteroids that struck earth and happened to land in the city of Sodom, any writer from that period would present it that way(if it truely happened) because they were not advanced in science and have little or no explanation for natural occurances like that, these are people that thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth....about occurance of natural disasters, whether they were caused by spirits or not, it follows processes and those processes is what science tracks and the data gotten is analysed and used to estimate what time frame the big thing would happen.... natural disasters ain't immediate.....the process that lead to the 7.1 earthquake in Mexico started long before it occurred....

Elvis778:

besides, most bible verses are never taken literally....you read meaning into it....it is said that most old testament stories are actually Jewish myths that was used to pass lessons to people, they didn't really happen, one of which is the famous journey of the Israelites in the land of Egypt, no archeological artifact or Egyptian documentaries support that story (Israelites once lived in Egypt and escaped to canan)....they were just myths which passes really great lessons...... evidence shows Israelites has always been in canan and only left canan on an exile to Babylon....

Elvis778:

thankGod u said divine revelation, let's not run around in circles, if you were primitive, u don't know what a rocket engine looks like, but God happened to show you one in your dreams or through "Divine revelation" and you had to report what you saw, won't you describe it according to your own understanding? do you expect Moses to explain that asteroids fell? Moses simply explained what he saw in his own understanding, besides, Moses didn't write the Genesis, anyways, discussion for another day.

sonofElElyon:
Your choice to believe whatever you want to believe... Archaeology and history have fallen back on the historical account of the Bible to fill in several lacunae. People like you always doubt the historical accuracy of the Bible but check the contents and see detailed accuracy. Time of events are stated eg in the 1st month of the third year of the reign of king Darius etc.. your own biased archaeologists disputed that king belteshazzar of Babylon mentioned in the Bible ever existed until it was later discovered that he was the son of nabodinus the son of Nebuchadnezzar and co- regent with his father nabodinus. That was why he promised to make Daniel 3rd ruler in the kingdom and not 2nd ruler.. because he co-ruled with his father nabodinus and therefore he was the 2nd ruler after his father. Archaeology doubted the existence of belteshazzar as recorded in the Biblical account until new archaeological evidence was discovered.. but of course you have chosen what you want to believe no matter what anyone says

sonofElElyon:
So a volcano is in heaven right You should listen to yourself.. Moses said the fire and sulphur "rained down" from heaven... You are clearly forcing your own interpretation on a simple literal statement.. Moses used the word "rained".. also the words "from heaven".. rain comes from heaven.. just like the fire and sulphur came from heaven.. it appears you are the one trying to re-write the Bible and play God...

Elvis778:

go through my reply again,
I didn't say all stories in the old testament are myths, I used the word "most".....and I gave examples and mentioned that the Babylon incident happened but it's just among the few that actually happened......it is said that the writers of the Bible actually existed in that time and mixed reality with myths to drive home their thoughts and views, Israelites were never slaves in Egypt, I will say that anywhere any time and will defend it too, David was never the king of the whole isreal, he ruled a small hilltop community which was even far from Jerusalem, his palace is located on that hilltop with proofs, the wall of Jericho never fell, the Israelites never travelled through the wilderness and desert on their way to canan.....these are some of the many bible stories that's just plain myth, every religion have their own myths written in their own books and Judaism is not an exception(they are the owners of the Torah), the aim of these stories is not about whether it happened or not, the main thing is u learning something meaningful from the story, the Bible is not a book of history, it's a book of morals.....
also note this, that the Bible mentioned an actual place and an actual event, then adding a story to it does not in anyway mean that story it's true, I could write my own account and stories with the aim of teaching good morals and mention buhari's leadership in the article, that doesn't in anyway justify my article or show that my story is real......many nairaland fiction authors mentions present happenings in their stories, that doesn't make the story non-fiction.

sonofElElyon:
You have never done exhaustive research on the topic of the accuracy of the Bible's historical accuracy but only choose to read materials from writers who share your negative opinion about the Bible. You can never discover the truth is you continue in this manner. There are countless archaeologists and ancient historians who have confirmed biblical accounts. Go and research please. A while ago I told you to research on eschatology but you flatly refused.. knowledge is not gained that way.. you have chosen to shut out all views and evidence that's contrary to yours in order to continue to convince yourself that your erroneous beliefs are indeed true... As long as you continue along that path all further discussions are pointless.. goodnight and God bless you.

Elvis778:

I'm actually tired of arguing with you and explaining same thing over and over again.....it clear that you are just a fanatic, you believe everything literally....is the earth flat? same Moses said the earth was flat, now answer me, is it flat?? with pillars?

Elvis778:

sorry, but I have, the old testament was actually written by different writers, some used yaweh to describe God, some used Jehovah, some used the El word, and there were many contradictions too that points out that the old testament was not written by just one person, infact, about 4 different persons wrote the Genesis...

Elvis778:

sorry, but I have, the old testament was actually written by different writers, some used yaweh to describe God, some used Jehovah, some used the El word, and there were many contradictions too that points out that the old testament was not written by just one person, infact, about 4 different persons wrote the Genesis...