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SmartPolician:
If pastors extended to living a Christ-like life the energy they put into tithes, we will definitely have a much saner society today. Tithing would have made much sense if the receivers allowed the money to circulate well.

For instance, Bishop Oyedepo will brag that his Winner's Chapel has never approached anyone for financial support. How do they finance their elephant projects? Me

That's why they will always emphasize on tithing even in the midst of a global pandemic.To add insult to injury, a church that is as rich as Winner's Chapel should make its varsity affordable. But they wouldn't!

Many preachers have already lost their conscience to the material things of this life, forgeting what they represent. In all this, one man who always stands out is Pastor Paul Adefarasin. He neither thinks not behaves like our regular Nigerian pastors.

Oh my Pastor Paul.

chijokz:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the only person who benefits and prospers is the account owner in which all tithes and offerings are paid into. Hypothetically, let's say a church has 200 members that earn $50,000 per annum and all pay their tithes of 10% which leaves them with $45,000 while total tithes paid into the pastor's account is 200x5,000 = $1,000,000 per annum.
That's why pastors will defend and continue to preach the tithing doctrine indefinitely.

Now you are very intelligent.... I respect you

How do people believe these pastors seff on tithes ! It baffles me

gospelpen:
Powerful principles of increase lesson from Avanzini

Can There Be Prosperity Without the Tithe?

God wants to build an end-time temple, a holy habitation not made with hands. To do this He must have an end-time army of special saints to accomplish His vision. This truth came to me by revelation after years of studying the Bible. It is totally based upon Scripture. God will give the responsibility of building His great end-time dwelling place to those who have proved themselves faithful in financial matters.

When King Josiah commissioned workers for the restoration of the temple, he gave the work to those craftsmen who had already proved themselves faithful in their financial transactions.

And let them deliver it into the hand of the doers of the work . . . to repair the breaches of the house, Unto carpenters, and builders, and masons, and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house.
Howbeit there was no reckoning made with them of the money that was delivered into their hand, because they dealt faithfully.
2 Kings 22:5-7

God did not choose these men for the labor because they had promised to be faithful. He chose them because they had already proved themselves faithful. When it came time for King Josiah to choose who would work in the great restoration of the temple, God told the king to select these men because they had an established record of dealing faithfully in their finances. God uses people who are faithful in their finances, and tithing is part of that faithfulness.

Many times people have said to me, "Brother John, when I get a large sum of money (such as an inheritance, sweepstakes, or windfall from some get-rich-quick scheme), I will become a faithful tither to the Lord."

That's not God's way! God requires that we first be faithful in the little matters, right in the midst of our current circumstances. Then He will grant us an abundance. It was true in the Old and New Testaments, and it's true today.

Read what the ruler said to his faithful servant in the Parable of the Talents.

His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Matthew 25:23

Remember what Jesus said to His disciples about faithfulness.

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Luke 16:10

If you want to be a part of the next big move of God, don't just get your finances in order temporarily. Keep them in order from now on, and be faithful.

Moreover it is required [not just desired] in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Corinthians 4:2

What Is an Offering?

By now you probably know that an offering is different from a tithe. The tithe is clearly 10 percent of what you have earned, an amount set by God. It is a non-negotiable obligation you owe Him.

An offering is a different matter. An offering is not a specified amount. It is totally discretionary on our part, an amount we give freely to God. The amount of our offering establishes the measure, or rate by which God will bless us and increase our substance.

...For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Luke 6:38

An offering is anything you give over and above your tithe. You are not generous in the eyes of God when you tithe. Tithing is simply evidence of honesty and obedience.

It is paying God what you owe Him. However, when you hear the voice of God leading you to give beyond your tithe, that is an offering. It is a freewill love gift to your God.

You can give offerings to help finance your local church, a missionary, or any Christian outreach. Many ministries in the Kingdom of God survive solely on the freewill offerings of God's prosperous people. In many cases, offerings are God's way of meeting their needs.

Remember, your tithe only opens the windows of heaven. God begins to pour out His blessings when you give generous offerings. Your offerings determine the measure God will use to give back to you. Through your tithes and offerings, you will move into a dynamic new realm, working with God, ministering to the needs of a hurting and needy world.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20

Source: https://jerco.org/2020/07/19/can-there-be-prosperity-without-the-tithe/

Na force?

delkuf:
So you are using Nigeria to equate the kingdom of God.

Lol.. You are just a mumu

sonmvayina:
Lol.. You are just a mumu

you are just dumb. if you want to criticize, criticize like someone with sense

delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God

if u can't obey God in not lying, not having sex, keeping slaves, raping women, u can't fully obey God.

UgoFly:
TITHING AS REGARDS Malachi.3: 8-10

First to understand the Bible & to interpret & apply it for today's Christians we must know the DIFFERENCES Btw OLD & NEW TESTAMENT

We must know dat d Bible is divided into 3 dispensations The Patriarchal, The Mosiac & The Christian Dispensations. We must also know what's written for the Jews, Gentiles & the Church.

1. The Patriarchal age is the age of the fathers frm Abraham to Moses.
2. The Mosaic age is from Moses to Christ
3. The Christian age is from Christ's death on the cross to the His second coming

God dealt with the people in a very peculiar ways e.g. in the Patriarchal age there was no 10 commandments, in Mosaic age God gave them 10 Commandments & ceremonial laws to be obeyed. The Christian age brought in Grace & Truth
The law was our school master to bring us into CHRIST but now faith has come through Christ we are no longer under the school master. (Gal. 3:22-24). 

We're not justified by law (Gal.5:4). Christ is the end of the law. (Rom.10:1-4).
If we're to practice the Old Testament doctrine together with the New Testament there will be lots of confusion as we will be required according to Leviticus 20 to stone to death fornicators, adulterers, witches, wizards, stoning to death a rebellious son Deuteronomy (21:18-21), practice several burnt offerings & sin offerings of different kinds, stone to death those who work Saturday (Sabbath day). (Numbers 15:32-36). 

If a girl loses her virginity she must be stoned to death to death also (Deut 22:13-21)
Women during their monthly period will be forbidden to come to church & so many more old testament practices. But we know that Christ have nailed all these practices & laws to the cross ( Col. 2:14-16, Rom.10:4)

WHAT IS TITHE? Tithes is a practice of paying "one- tenth" of one's income or possession according to the Old Testament

ORIGIN OF TITHES. The first time the word tithe ever appeared in the Bible is in the Book of Genesis where Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek the priest of Salem. Note that Abraham paid tithes as a reciprocal gestures in appreciation/ response to Melchizedek giving food & wine to Abraham's servants on his way back from war. (Gen.14:8, 18-20). Abraham did not pay tithes to Melchizedek from his personal possessions but from spoils of war that he brought back when he went to rescue Lot his brother. (Gen. 14: 21-2 There was no law compelling Abraham to pay tithes to Melchizedek, he did it freely Abraham DID NOT PAY TITHES AS A CONTINUOUS MONTHLY OR YEARLY RITUAL, but it was a one-time event.

TITHES BECOMES LAW IN ISRAEL.
Tithes became a law in the land of Israel when the children of Israel got to the Promised Land of Cannan. God divided the land to eleven out of the twelve tribes of Israel. But to the tribe of of Levi God didn't give any portion of land, rather God gave them the tithes of which rightly belong to God, because of the services he gave them to perform in the Temple of Tabernacle (Lev. 27:30, Numb. 18:20-24) e.g the tribe of Judah where Christ came from are tithe payers, because they collected their own share of the land of Cannan & God Commanded them to pay to their brother Levi- Aaron & his descendants (Jos.15:1-5, Neh.13:12). 

WHOM DID GOD COMMAND TO PAY TITHES & TO WHOM?
God told all the Nations of Israel to pay Tithes from the land he gave Num. 18:20-21). (Mal. 1:1-2, 3:7-12). We must understand that the laws of the Old Covenant & the laws of TITHES in particular wasn't given to any other tribe in the world but to Israel as a Nation (Deut. 5:1-3)

The Israelites were Commanded to pay tithe to the tribe of Levi only No other tribe in the whole world including Jesus Christ & Judah his tribe has any scriptural right to collect tithes ( Heb. 7:5, 13), rather Judah the tribe Jesus came from were tithes payers & not tithes collectors (Neh. 13:12) 

FROM WHAT PROCEEDS DID GOD COMMANDS THAT TITHES BE PAID?.

Many Pastors who are tithes collectors says tithes must be paid from salaries & business profits but the Bible clearly states where tithes proceeds are to be paid.
Tithes were commanded to be paid from FARM PRODUCE of the Israelites be it ANIMALS or CROPS ( Deut. 14:22 Lev. 27:30-31). In which case God has already provided them farm lands (Jos.15:1-3). So there's no excuse for any
Israelite saying "I can't pay Tithes" or "I don't hv a land to farm".
WAS TITHE TO BE PAID WITH MONEY OR FARM PRODUCE ONLY?. God Commanded that money shouldn't be used for tithes payment but FARM PRODUCE ONLY. This is stated clearly & expressly. (Deut. 14:22-26). 

God knows that money was a good medium of exchange but commanded that if all you have to
to bring your tithes(FARM PRODUCE) from a far distance to where God has put his name then you Have to sell the farm product for money but when you get to d place you have to turn the money into farm produce again & eat before the Lord (Deut.14:22-26)
HOW MANY TYPES OF TITHES ARE THERE?
God actually gave commandments to Israel to pay specific tithe for specific purposes

1. Annual or yearly tithe to be given to take care of the Levites- Aaron & other priests officiating in the Tabernacle (Num. 18:20-24)
2. Tithes every 3 years to be given for the general populace of Levites, widows, orphans, strangers & the poor (Deut. 14:22-29).
3. The priests were also commanded by God to pay tithe of tithes to God, that is the priests are to pay tithes to God from the tithes the Israelites have paid to them. (Num. 18:26-29). Note the tithes which the priests will give to God must be offered as "HEAVE OFFERING" not money offering.

DOES THE BIBLE COMMANDS TODAY'S CHRISTIANS TO PAY TITHES?.

We can clearly see from the Bible that Judaism is different from Christianity. The New Covenant is superior & better than the Old Covenant with DOES THE BIBLE COMMANDS TODAY'S CHRISTIANS TO PAY TITHES?.

We can clearly see from the Bible that Judaism is different from Christianity. The New Covenant is superior & better than the Old Covenant with better promises. Heb. 8: 6-7, 2 Cor. 3:6-16). 

Bible says if the Old Covenant was perfect enough there wouldn't have been need for the New Covenant.(Heb. 8: 7-13). The Old Testament & all it stands for were mere SHADOW of things to come but the New Testament is the real image. Heb.(10:1). 

Tithes & all Old Testament Practices & Doctrines have been abolished (Heb. 8:13)
(Heb.10:9) (2 Cor. 3:6-16) (Col. 2 : 14-17).

(Heb. 8: 7-13). The Old Testament & all it stands for were mere SHADOW of things to come but the New Testament is the real image. Heb.(10:1). 
Tithes & all Old Testament Practices & Doctrines have been abolished (Heb. 8:13)
(Heb.10:9) (2 Cor. 3:6-16) (Col. 2 : 14-17).
Christians are not commanded to pay tithes today but to give a free will offerings as they are blessed. No levying of any kind. Give what you have.

BUT JESUS SAID HE DID NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW & THE PROPHETS.

This statement must be well understood not taken in isolation & out of context. Luke clarifies this issue better. (Lk.24: 45-49). In effect Jesus was not saying that he came to destroy nor re-establish the law but to "FULFILL" all that were written about him in the law of Moses, in the Prophets & in the Psalm. And Jesus Indeed has fulfilled all the prophecies concerning him, including his birth, death, burial, resurrection & ascension as prophesied. 

Again in Matt. 23:23 Jesus rebuked the Scribes & Pharisees & he said woe unto them & called them hypocrites for over-emphasizing the payment of tithes at the expense of the weighter matters of the law: mercy, judgement & righteousness. 

Jesus was NOT in this instance recommending tithe payment for his disciples & the New Testament Christians He was rightly addressing the Jews who were given the law he wouldn't have said woe & called his disciples hypocrites. At that time Christ will or Testament wasn't yet in full force. Christ will & Testament became fully in force & enforceable after his death on the cross because there can be no testament except the testator dies. Wills can only be enforceable after he who wrote the wills dies. (Heb. 9:15-23). 

So at Christ's death on the cross the law of tithe & other Old Testament practices ceased to be effective. In effect CHRIST became the only standard of faith for Christians today & no longer the Old Testament. (2 Cor. 3:6-14).

I read this from beginning to the end. Well illustrated.

Sammyblack87:
Do you obey God in everything you do? Why is the tithe of thing so much important?

you guy are not getting it. I said if you can't obey God with you tithe, how can you obey God by not lying and fornicating. many people are only using tithe to hid there flaws

petra1:
You are wrong





Wrong . Tithes are not paid to Pastors account . Church Monty is not Pastors money . 90% of Pastors are doing it voluntarily without getting welfare because they have jobs . Before a ministry will give you a church to pastor you must have a job first . You must be a tither . Pastors are number one Rutgers and givers

Lies from the pit of hell, yenyenyenyenyen, only Nigeria pastors dey cry for tithe and offering

Uyi168:
.. If u are done checking, lemme know. I want to check if mark Zuckerberg, Alibaba, and seun osewa pay theirs too..

dont mind them, make dem dey deceive themselves

The religious fraudsters are here again. Who will deliver Nigerian Christians from the bondage of pentecostal pastorpreneurs? You do not have a brain for nothing please. There are way too many wealthy people in the world who do not give a damn about tithe. Use your brains for once. Stop listening to charlatans who tell you it's night time when you can see for yourself that the sun is shining bright in the sky.

kingsvictor2:
if u can't obey God in not lying, not having sex, keeping slaves, raping women, u can't fully obey God.

it goes hand in hand

DropsMic:
I guess Dangote pays his tithe

Yeah right. Probably calls it 'Zakat' or Zaqat or something like that

Neddyogu:
Yeah right. Probably calls it 'Zakat' or Zaqat or something like that

How is zaqat tithe?

petra1:
You are wrong





Wrong . Tithes are not paid to Pastors account . Church Monty is not Pastors money . 90% of Pastors are doing it voluntarily without getting welfare because they have jobs . Before a ministry will give you a church to pastor you must have a job first . You must be a tither . Pastors are number one Rutgers and givers

Yet there are more poor/hungry people around, including your tithe paying members?.......

Opening Churches everywhere because of members money is further enslaving the members who can't pertake of the church gestures........

MightySparrow:
Wrong. there is no church that their members don't contribute money call it any name. All you see is hypocricy on Nairaland. Tithe as far as know about my own church is paid by my pastor who himself doesn't run the church account or draw money from it but lives on gifts from members from which he pays his own to pay church workers.

This one na talk?? "lives on gift of members" so he perish if no one gift him anytin?? U beta go and ask your pastor what's into aside collections of tithes and offerings and don't come here and defend rabish.

delkuf:
So you are using Nigeria to equate the kingdom of God.

giving is scriptural but shouldn't be under compulsion ...10% is a compulsion

emrain:
It is only in Africa that people still interpret the Bible literally.

This is how Africans understand tithe - ”If you don't pay your tithe, you'll remain(become) poor forever. But if you do, you may become prosperous”

Here's the actual truth - ”If you pay your tithe, you are directly contributing to the sustainability of the Christian religion. By this singular act of kindness, your children will also benefit from Christianity.

But in Nigeria, everything na ”gra-gra”.

they must threaten and induce fear in people instead of simplifying it and coming clean.

Dangote or whatever list of rich men you have is not mention in heaven even if he is a poor man, all they have is now and that is there consolation.
OH faithful and beloved of christ jesus dont shake your stand, jesus approve tithing, ask me were or what scripture i will tell you.
The unbeliever never argue or debate or question their tax responsibility in these sin seek world yet want you to to doubt your investment in heaven. Brethen dont shift an ince, you might be struggling to meet up yes God knows but dont lower the standard simply because you cant meet you, pray for grace and it shall be granted.

Olatara:
I read this from beginning to the end. Well illustrated.

Explicitly illustrated for easy comprehension. Thank you. Please can we reach out. I have lot of questions. I hope I can learn one or two things from your spiritual wealth of experience.

I am one of those that bliv that it is what u believe that works for u.

If u believe paying tithe will guarantee ur prosperity, my dear it will . If u believe paying tithe will increase ur blessings, u r still right.

I see tithing as a way of financial discipline that when practiced faithfully, u will benefit it gains. As difficult as things r, it becomes practically impossible for one to obey tithing but bliv me if u still do, then u r financially disciplined n d spiritually blessings attached to it will surely be urs.

Yes, some do not pay n r bless does not mean u shud stop but, know y u pay n trust God to open ways for u when u do n he surely will. We walk by faith n not by sight.

I ve come to a level where I pay tithe n no homo sapien can tell me not to because I know y I do n its benefits. I only pray DAT God blesses d works of my hands so DAT I can give.

Choose whom u shall follow this day but as for me n my household, WE SHALL PAY OUR TITHE.

THE CHIOCE IS YOURS.

chijokz:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the only person who benefits and prospers is the account owner in which all tithes and offerings are paid into. Hypothetically, let's say a church has 200 members that earn $50,000 per annum and all pay their tithes of 10% which leaves them with $45,000 while total tithes paid into the pastor's account is 200x5,000 = $1,000,000 per annum.
That's why pastors will defend and continue to preach the tithing doctrine indefinitely.

Tithe if at all done shud be optional and it’s fine. Anyone who says it’s mandatory is not saying the truth. Atleast that’s what I know sofar.

BackllGodNaija:
Sure. There are several biblical examples of men who didn't pay tithes yet were financially prosperous. One of them was Job who was said to be the most prosperous man of his region. He did help the poor a lot though but didn't pay tithes!

Show the verse in the book of job that supports this claim of yours.

MightySparrow:
Wrong. there is no church that their members don't contribute money call it any name. All you see is hypocricy on Nairaland. Tithe as far as know about my own church is paid by my pastor who himself doesn't run the church account or draw money from it but lives on gifts from members from which he pays his own to pay church workers.

Enjoy your lies.

Enoch07:
let me check if dangote, Jeff bezos, Carlos slim, Ned nwoko, bill gate e.t.c pay tithe

Bros, what did you see in the VAR?

gospelpen:
Powerful principles of increase lesson from Avanzini

Can There Be Prosperity Without the Tithe?

God wants to build an end-time temple, a holy habitation not made with hands. To do this He must have an end-time army of special saints to accomplish His vision. This truth came to me by revelation after years of studying the Bible. It is totally based upon Scripture. God will give the responsibility of building His great end-time dwelling place to those who have proved themselves faithful in financial matters.

When King Josiah commissioned workers for the restoration of the temple, he gave the work to those craftsmen who had already proved themselves faithful in their financial transactions.

And let them deliver it into the hand of the doers of the work . . . to repair the breaches of the house, Unto carpenters, and builders, and masons, and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house.
Howbeit there was no reckoning made with them of the money that was delivered into their hand, because they dealt faithfully.
2 Kings 22:5-7

God did not choose these men for the labor because they had promised to be faithful. He chose them because they had already proved themselves faithful. When it came time for King Josiah to choose who would work in the great restoration of the temple, God told the king to select these men because they had an established record of dealing faithfully in their finances. God uses people who are faithful in their finances, and tithing is part of that faithfulness.

Many times people have said to me, "Brother John, when I get a large sum of money (such as an inheritance, sweepstakes, or windfall from some get-rich-quick scheme), I will become a faithful tither to the Lord."

That's not God's way! God requires that we first be faithful in the little matters, right in the midst of our current circumstances. Then He will grant us an abundance. It was true in the Old and New Testaments, and it's true today.

Read what the ruler said to his faithful servant in the Parable of the Talents.

His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Matthew 25:23

Remember what Jesus said to His disciples about faithfulness.

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Luke 16:10

If you want to be a part of the next big move of God, don't just get your finances in order temporarily. Keep them in order from now on, and be faithful.

Moreover it is required [not just desired] in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Corinthians 4:2

What Is an Offering?

By now you probably know that an offering is different from a tithe. The tithe is clearly 10 percent of what you have earned, an amount set by God. It is a non-negotiable obligation you owe Him.

An offering is a different matter. An offering is not a specified amount. It is totally discretionary on our part, an amount we give freely to God. The amount of our offering establishes the measure, or rate by which God will bless us and increase our substance.

...For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Luke 6:38

An offering is anything you give over and above your tithe. You are not generous in the eyes of God when you tithe. Tithing is simply evidence of honesty and obedience.

It is paying God what you owe Him. However, when you hear the voice of God leading you to give beyond your tithe, that is an offering. It is a freewill love gift to your God.

You can give offerings to help finance your local church, a missionary, or any Christian outreach. Many ministries in the Kingdom of God survive solely on the freewill offerings of God's prosperous people. In many cases, offerings are God's way of meeting their needs.

Remember, your tithe only opens the windows of heaven. God begins to pour out His blessings when you give generous offerings. Your offerings determine the measure God will use to give back to you. Through your tithes and offerings, you will move into a dynamic new realm, working with God, ministering to the needs of a hurting and needy world.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20

Source: https://jerco.org/2020/07/19/can-there-be-prosperity-without-the-tithe/

Tithe is a Jewish tradition which was largely discontinued when Christianity began to other nations through Jesus and his disciples.

There are many Jewish traditions in the Old Testament that we’re stopped.

Only Levites collect tithes and modern Christianity has no Levites. Every one is called, chosen and anointed once Ure a believer. A Pastor is just a role made by man to organize Christianity and further the gospel.

I’m not sure John the Baptist or Jesus collected tithes from people or their followers. I stand to be corrected.

Read Mathew 23:23

Kobojunkie:
Do you obey God with your Tithe? This is what God said you should do with your Tithe ... Have you ever done exactly what God commanded you to do with your tithe, ever?

Below is the tithing law as defined in the Old Covenant... This is the law.... all pieced together, and the word of God commanding you to obey His commandment. Tell us what aspect you have obeyed in your years as a tither

This is what God told you to do with the Tithe He commanded of you.

Remember what God said about His commandment and what blessings and curses come to those who obey OR disobey His commandments as Stipulated.

Abeg make people hear word o'jare~!

Excellent, exhaustive information.
Thanks and stay blessed.

Am sure you have an interest with a pastorpreneur...focus on the weightier matters.

Kobojunkie:
Is this how Tithe is running in your cbhurch? This is the tithe that God commanded in the Old Covenant, the only place that God put together the law.
Below is the tithing law as defined in the Old Covenant... This is the law.... all pieced together, and the word of God commanding you to obey His commandment. Tell us what aspects you have obeyed in your years as a tither


This is what God told you to do with the Tithe He commanded of you.





Remember what God said about His commandment and what blessings and curses come to those who obey OR disobey His commandments as Stipulated.

Kobojunkie, I didn't bother to read your epistle. all I said is that no body in my church pays tithe into my pastor's personal account, he too tithes his income and does not run church account.