Atigba:


1)Eye witnes..Lol.. you are a joke. You can't deny your root..ille ife. I wish you can but is too late. Your history has told and written down by our ancestors for us to read and learn from.

2)Benin speak Idu language mixed with Ife dialect. Esan speak original Idu language. Urhobo, Isoko, Ika, speak Idu language. The Afema speak part of Idu language but due to their geographical location and colonization from Nupe Fulanis, and interaction with the Igalas, their language evolved. They still speak little Idu language.

For food, every ethnic nationalities have their unique traditional food. But Egusi, Ogbonor, bitter leaf are general soup in southern part of Nigeria.

3)As for dressing, the Binis have no traditional dress code, outside the gown the European gave them. That looks like Reveren father gown.

The Esans on the other hand, have wool cloth dated back as far as 11 century.

For bead, it was the Portugueses who gave us all bead, we were exchanging slaves to get bead from them.

macof:


Lmao I just gave you traditional records from Bini that far supercede the recent revisionist claims


Mumu is talking about eyewitness report the traditions left by those who witnessed it is there for you. Why not provide eye witness account of ekaladaran's migration to Ife?
Funny how ekaladaran was supposed to have ran away from igodomigodo and reached Ife all alone but Bini youths of 2020 wants us to believe that they know the story of his journey to ife. Who witnessed it? Since you only deal with eye witnesses

Etinosa1234:


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

U were the one with fairytale.. I only showed u report of the Benin...not I believed it...

Still u are yet to prove it...

U are bringing similarities in language...
if that's ur stance..The oba is more likely to be esan than Yoruba

Prove Ur Claims

macof:


Lmao French maths teacher that spends all his weekday afternoons on nairaland arguing history with historians. School is not in session?

I already showed you that even your translation defeats your own argument.
Clearly Eko was not named by Bini and only an isolated land towards the lagoon was ever controlled by Bini



Small boy you have nothing valuable to argue

Atigba:


The only history we have with Ekiti is that Oba Ewuare once conquered that town in 14 century.. you have no idea what you are talking about.

macof:


I already know that you Bini youths are born to be daft.
So it's no wonder that you don't know that traditional records are evidence

I just gave you traditions from your own Bini that all confirm that ọba of Bini has Yoruba origin.
So where do you fools get your ekaladaran from?

Lmao oba is now most likely to be esan not ekaladaran again
This is what happens when you ignore your own traditions because you know your ancestors were wise and honest

Wtf77:



The actual translation of the text in full:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."


@ Areafada, Gregyboy, Samuk, Davidnazee.

Very obviously the metropolis being talked about is Benin !
Macof why are you such a liar ?
For your info, "langue de terre" means : "very narrow piece of land". You don't speak French and your Google translation won't translate that, because it is an expression.
While discussing history with you guys yoruba, it always comes down to this: you must lie ! But why ? It is history, it has already happened, why try to create your alternate reality ?

For readers who only want the truth, the text is here for you, don't be lazy, translate it.

Also, when you see expressions like "langue de terre" you have to first look at its meaning in a French dictionary ( just type the expression on Google, it should give you the meaning in french), then you translate the meaning (which would be words in french) into English.
Don't believe me, just do the work and don't be lazy.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou


Also, as can be seen in the third caption, "ouyo" doesn't mean "oyo". Ouyo refers to a bunch of pirates whom were also called Jos. The ouyo pirates are most likely ijo people ! Gbam !

Etinosa1234:


To be frankly honest...I never believed that Yorubas could be this dumb and foolish
Little Wonder Instead of them to recover the land that the Fulani army took from them by force(chasing the Oyo Empire to their present place)..they are so bothered abt Benin that doesn't want them

I said that if similarities in language is ur basis to claim that Oba of Benin is related to Ife..then there is high chance of the oba Being related to esan rather than ife...if u cant understand..I'm so sorry for u


There still remains no proof that Oba of Benin is related to Ife and similarities in language is not, sorry, can never be a basis to make that claim...

Hope u get and bring eyewitness reports
Thanks

Etinosa1234:

1) see Ozuo...mumu that wants to become authority on Benin history all means

2)Lol.. U guys lies never cease to amaze me...
So the idu language that does not have any prove of existence in Nigeria has a whole was the lingua franca of the south south... Guy...U are very drunk... Can u explain how Benin, Esan, Urhobo and the likes suddenly left the idu language amd decided to carve their own language that became distinct and different from each other(with eyewitness reports)
3)See Picture of the Benin people in the 17th century...

So in conclusion...I want u to bring eyewitness reports about
1)that Benin,Esan and others once spoke the same Language
2)How they formed their own language
3)How the Benin are related to Ife...

Pls be brave enough to bring the reports

macof:

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Mumu. Where did i talk about language with you? refer that to the right person

You are Bini scum are today are worse than fulani. Ilorin is not your concern or is that why you want to claim Ife and Lagos and anyother Yoruba cities you think you can take over dreamers. Small bini here that will take yoruba only 2 hours to burn down[/s]

macof:


I already know that you Bini youths are born to be daft.
So it's no wonder that you don't know that traditional records are evidence

I just gave you traditions from your own Bini that all confirm that ọba of Bini has Yoruba origin.
So where do you fools get your ekaladaran from?

Lmao oba is now most likely to be esan not ekaladaran again
This is what happens when you ignore your own traditions because you know your ancestors were wise and honest

Atigba:


1)Pa Idu is the progenitor of our race Igodomigodo
We speak Idu language, not the Idu you pasted there in Idian or Egypt.

Idu is our ancestors and we worship in his shrine. All Igodomigodo descendant speak Idu language which started evolving due to migration. There was no school to preserve language.

2)Edo is a name of a slave who saved prince Ogun, Oba Ewuare from danger. He was a slave of Ogieva as am told. Oba Ewuare honor the boy and buy his body after his death. In honor he named Ogbe vicinity which is today Oredo local government area after his name ''Edo.'' Edo is not a language of race. It was in 1991 during the creation of states from former Bendel State. Edo State was created. There are many ethnic nationalities living there.

I think you people are silly, you should stop trying to destroy our history Igodomigodo and respect your brothers Ife people because Yoruba is new modern word. Ife is where your ancestors Orominyan migrated from to our land.

3)Before your ancestors came, our people have been living in Igodomigodo for thousands of years and were know as Idu people.

Be warned.

Wtf77:
A clearly french car next to me

Etinosa1234:

1) Obviously u don't know how to read...U first claimed that Idu was a language but why does ur material say that it was an ancestral spirit
Obviously u are confused

2) U are even writing as u are told.. Clearly u cant back it up..... A place in a city was renamed does that make them different from the remaining parts of the village.. Obviously u don't know what u are saying...
All Obas referred to the place as Benin..Even the portuguese... I'm still wondering why they refused to call it Edo...
Search Edo people on Google.. they'll redirect u to Benin... Stop this revisionist scheme...it won't work.. Even the Oba knows his people are Benin...
He's called Oba of Benin... Nothing like Edo is different from Benin
3) Obviously u cant prove this ...
nor idu ..Na idi people... rubbish

macof:
Mr. refugee stop posting your pictures just to prove you are in France it has absolutely no relevance to your arguements on this thread. There are many people on this forum in Europe, there is nothign to brag about it local boy is ecstatic about being in europe

Atigba:


I have proven all my points to you.. Pa Idu is our ancestor and proginator of our race. When some one die in our culture we cave a wood as a representative of the person spirit and pray in the name our ancestors, that is the meaning of that shrine. It is called Ehimi Idu... spirit of Idu/ancestors.

Know that also every history refered to the aborigines of that land Igodomigodo before now called Benin. Is a mark you Ife migrants are trying to erase which is not possible.

Of cause Oba refered to his people as ille Ibinu, vexation in Yoruba.

Etinosa1234:


Lmao...But ur first claim was that Benin speak idu language ..when asked to prove it ...U are now saying spirit...
Hope u can see ur lies have been caught
I have no links to any Yoruba kingdom and I'm clearly Benin. I'm from Evbobomwen in Orhionwmwon...and I can say that I'm Benin and not yoruba...
Why don't you come out and prove Ur Claims that Benin are related to Yoruba if u are sure of it

At the bolded.. once again.. that's not proof...

Lugard wife named our country Nigeria, does that make us British,
The Fulani are the originator of the word Yoruba, does that make the Yorubas Fulani

I can go on and on to tell u that is not good proof enough

By the way...are u from the ogiamen family because it's only them that have this kind of frustration

Christistruth00:


The Onikoyi Royal Family of Ikoyi ,Lagos are ethnic Oyo from Ikoyi in Osun State and are the ones that paragraph revered to as the Ouyo that Captured the East Side of Lagos. Till today they are the indigenous Land title owners of Ikoyi Lagos.

The Para- Ikoyi were the Alaafin of Oyo's Military Horsemen and were Stationed at Ikoyi in Osun State

Atigba:


I said Benin speak Idu language mixed with Ife dialet. Orominyan migrated to our land Igodomigodo in 12 century AD, almost 850 years now. Our Idu language spoken by the aborigines has mixed with your ife dialet due to living with us for centuries. Remeber Eweka the first couldn't speak Idu language at first, hence he said Owomika.. my hands have caught it in Yoruba

Those who migrated from Igodomigodo before ife immigrants came speak real Idu language. Uzea and Uromi are example.

Oh you are a descendant of Evbobomwen, you should be ashamed of yourself. What will you gain denying your ancestry home ife.

Wtf77:

Pathological liar, perhaps it is time you shot your lying mouth and have some shame !
By the way, I get a very good pay as a maths teacher in France.
I know you are pained in the gutter in which you live in southwest Nigeria.
Life here in France is good !

Wtf77:


Laughable attempt at rewriting history.
None of what you claim ever took place.

macof:
You are far too impressed with being in france to be taken seriously. We are talking about History you are bragging about being in france. What has you being in france got to do with the topic? you are expecting respect and honor from people on this forum for being in france? mumu
europe still dey new for your eye

Wtf77:

Look, it seems you are mentally ill.
We tell you we are not from ife !
And you keep claiming that we are from ife without proof !
What is wrong with you ?
You guys need to stop obsessing about us ! This is nauseating !

Christistruth00:


Go and Ask the Onikoyi of Ikoyi , Lagos their History

https://www.obaonikoyi.com/about-oba-onikoyi-onikoyi-of-ikoyi