macof:


Both Ife and Bini say the oba of Benin is of yoruba origin
It is where oduduwa comes from that the disagreement begins


It is not taking what suits ego. Its taking in what the evidence and traditional records suggest

Even in Bini traditions, oduduwa is not said to be of igodomigodo origin. It is only recently that narratives of such have been spreading online, narratives that have no confirmation with the traditions of Bini or anywhere. Historians know this, and no single historian takes that nonsense Bini claim seriously

Wtf77:

Don't fall into the trap of asking for "reputable historian" ! He will just quote an other revisionist crook, there are so many revisionist crooks in the African history profession ! Ask him for eye witness written document !
That is how you deal with history ! You consult documents written by eye witnesses, you don't go around looking for "reputable historian", you would only get hoodwinked by revisionist crooks.

OmoOlofin:
Yes I have a question as well, macof.

How do you embed an image to appear in-between texts?

Thanks.

macof:


actual translation my foot.
Because you are a notary or authorised translating firm?

Next time if you want to be taken seriously post texts in a language people understand.
But you failed to realise that people have caught on to your scheme.

Even your translation says "and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."
so the isolated end of the land was what was left to Bini's control which confirms what people can see in Lagos today with Enuwa (about the size of a football field or smaller)

What else do you have?

Wtf77:

Here is the actual translation:

"Captain Horsley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Also:

As can be seen in the third caption, "ouyo" doesn't mean "oyo". Ouyo refers to a bunch of pirates whom were also called Jos and Usa. The ouyo pirates are most likely ijo people ! Gbam !


https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou


Areafada, Gregyboy, Davidnazee, Samuk.

Etinosa1234:


For u to say that means u didn't really understand Benin history
Benin historians say that the banished prince, Ekaladerhan went to Ife...where a prophecy had been made that their king will come from the bush. When Ekaladerhan came, he was later crowned according to the prophecy and renamed Oduduwa.Then when the Benin throne was empty as a result of the inability of the Former ogiso to produce a successor, Benin chiefs went to Ekaladerhan now Oduduwa for help. Due to the fact that Oduduwa was too old and couldn't come back to rule, he sent one of his sons Oranmiyan to be the new leader...Then Oranmiyan gave birth to the first oba, Oba Eweka.

At the last bolded, there is no single eyewitness reports about the origin of the first Oba, and many other tribes lay claim to being the origin. So therefore any historian that claim to dismiss Bini claims would have also dismissed the Yorubas claim as the Yoruba demselves have no proof abt it...Jus folktales like the Benin also

Wtf77:
Conclusion : I have proven that Lagos belongs to Benin !


I have also proven once and for all that macof and his fellow yorubas are liars. They will lie even when the evidence that they are telling lies is in front of everybody's eyes.

Areafada, Gregyboy, Samuk, Davidnazee.

Wtf77:

The guy macof and his fellow Yoruba are liars. I didn't know he could lie like this !
He just repeats his lie even after you prove it to be a lie !

Etinosa1234:



I don't know their obsession with Benin tbh

To them... anything Yoruba is true but anything Benin is a lie

When we were talking abt Lagos...One claimed that Benin never conquered Lagos..then I asked her "Does a village that was not conquered pay tributes to a faraway country for 300 years" She started typing epistles talking abt Lagos account and Benin account..

But when we are talking about the oba...none of them cared to hear abt the Benin account...they all believed that Yoruba account is the one and final truth...

Na God go help them las las

macof:


Don't mind all this miscreant Bini youth who spend all their time online displaying arrogant ignorance and ethnic bigotry

Wtf77:

Many of them know they are lying. I just wonder if they all know they are lying.
It is weird that these guys are so versed in the art of telling lies. It is like their second nature. Like their tradition.

Christistruth00:


Thanks. In this video at 5.45 minutes the Oba of Lagos Akiolu uses his own mouth to say Bini are not the owners of Lagos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

Wtf77:

Many of them know they are lying. I just wonder if they all know they are lying.
It is weird that these guys are so versed in the art of telling lies. It is like their nature. Like their tradition.
And their obsession with Benin ! Myself I don't understand. It is like they want to wear our skin ! I am telling you, I will always look at Yoruba with suspicion, these guys are weird !

macof:


You need to copy the image address of any picture you want to use then paste the address in this format "[img]image address[/img]"

warripekin:
I hate it when adult lie for silly reasons. Theirs no relationship between ikwerre and Bini. No history or anthropological pointer to show ikwerre is from Bini. A day will come, when this lies will stop.

Atigba:

You are 100 % right about Benin Oba stool origin.
It was Orominyan who founded ille ibinu inside Igodomigodo.
The Oba of Benin stool is a Yoruba stool

Atigba:


The Ikwerre people are from Edo State, they are not Igbo

Atigba:


Yorubas are not telling lies about their history. It is the binis. ille ibinu was created by prince Orominyan.

It is only the Yoruba that can tell you the history of Oduduwa not Benin. ife is the ancestral home of Benin people.

Osagyefo98:



Case closed.

from the foregoing it once again established that Ikwerre are yorubas..



Lawani once said this..

Osagyefo98:


case closed.

cc

greyboy
areafada2

Wtf77:
Edo people are not Yoruba, Ikwere have never claimed to be yoruba.

Wtf77:

So all it takes is for a Yoruba to repeat an unsubstantiated claim and then "case closed" ?

Christistruth00:


Lagos Island belongs to the Aromire family till today. Aromire was a son of Olofin an Ile Ife Prince who was the first to settle Lagos with his followers. Aromire was a great lover of Water. He is said to have Swam to Lagos Island on first sighting it. Eko is the way the Yoruba Ijebu pronounced Ereko after Ereko on the Island. Eko (Ereko) means field in Yoruba and Ereko Ile is used to describe an Island.

The Oba of Benin needed a Port to do business with the Portuguese who advised him that Lagos Island was a good location so through an agreement the Awori Aromire family gave him Isale Eko part of the Island just as Sabon Gari is given to outsiders in Kano. The Oba of Lagos is not even the king of Lagos Island he is the King of Isale Eko which was the location of the international Slave Port . The Island belongs to the Aromire Chieftaincy family who are under the jurisdiction of the Olota of Otta in Ogun State who is the paramount traditional ruler of all Aworiland, just as the Alake is the ruler of all Egbaland and the Alaafin the ruler of all Oyos.


The People of the Historically important Yoruba town of Otun Ekiti in Ekiti state migrated from Lagos in the 15th Century and share the same ancestry with the Awori of Lagos the revisionists are not aware of this History and are just making up lies as they go along.


Some people have tried to distort Awori History out of Selfishness.

Osagyefo98:



Young man we are establishing facts and not child play.


Edos are yorubas and ikwerres and Edos and then ikwerres are yorubas.


ikwerre came from yorubaland before living to their present location.

Osagyefo98:



it is their own history with valid facts.

these facts have been substantiated a long time ago.

Wtf77:

Once again:
Edo are not yoruba ! Notice your claim is backed by no proof !

Wtf77:

No, it is a fairytale. And it has never been substantiated ! If not why don't you just show the proof ?
Instead you are claiming it was proven long ago !!?

Osagyefo98:



the facts was laid bare on culture section

Etinosa1234:


For u to say that means u didn't really understand Benin history
Benin historians say that the banished prince, Ekaladerhan went to Ife...where a prophecy had been made that their king will come from the bush. When Ekaladerhan came, he was later crowned according to the prophecy and renamed Oduduwa.Then when the Benin throne was empty as a result of the inability of the Former ogiso to produce a successor, Benin chiefs went to Ekaladerhan now Oduduwa for help. Due to the fact that Oduduwa was too old and couldn't come back to rule, he sent one of his sons Oranmiyan to be the new leader...Then Oranmiyan gave birth to the first oba, Oba Eweka.

At the last bolded, there is no single eyewitness reports about the origin of the first Oba, and many other tribes lay claim to being the origin. So therefore any historian that claim to dismiss Bini claims would have also dismissed the Yorubas claim as the Yoruba demselves have no proof abt it...Jus folktales like the Benin also

macof:
:
Ovbi' Umogun Oza
The Child of the Oba whose mother hailed from Oza

Ovbi' Ekpen N' Owa
The son of the home leopard

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila

Ikeji Orisa
Second in command to the gods

Agbaghe, N'Ovbi Olokun
Olokun's son, the cynosure of all mortals

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

Ovbi' Ada, Ovbi' Eben
The child of the owner of the Ada =
scimitar and Eben = royal sword, Edo
symbol of sovereignty.

Ovbi'Ekenekene ma deyo
The son of beauty that never fades.

Ovbi'Ekuaho N'Olo, Ovbi'Ekuabo N'Olo
The son of the rocky arm, the brave and
powerful

Ovbie Ikpinhianbo kpuru no Gb'oduma
The son of the short fingered man that
was still able to kill a lion

Nohien utete no gh'ughe s'omwan
The king on a hill, who sees more than
everybody

Ovbi'Oghonwan nei bun aro
The son of the fearless, who looks
without twinkling his eyes

Ovbi'ode, ode n'ohan ren mu' ete
The son of the warrior whose enemies
got frightened at the announcement of
the approach

Uku Akpolokpolo
The mighty that rules

Ovbi' Adolo no dolo uwa dolo utomwen
The son of the wise judge and peace
maker who combined wisdom and
wealth with long life

Ovbi' oven owie no gbaisi
The son of the morning sun that covers
everywhere

Ovbi' Akpogunla, ogie no y'igho b'owa
The child of the womb of Akpogunla - the
warrior who fought big wars and built a
house of cowries


Oba n'osa
A king that is god

Ovbi' otolo n'olomi; Ologberonmwon nei rie iruen, ebo, ayemwinre eminiminimini
The son of the water controller, the son
of beauty itself, the starter of things and
the person whose reign saw people with
many tongues

Osagyefo98:


Edos are not yorubas but ikwerre are edos...


what's he basis of your logic..

macof:

Wtf77:


1) The Ikwere claim to be Edo !
2) The Edo do not claim to be yoruba !
3) it is the yoruba who claim Edo to be yoruba !
4) Thé Ikwere claim is backed by précolonial maps