macof:


Egyptian and Kush languages are not same language
They don't even belong to the same language group

Thats what the mzungus would want people to believe.

Yet, genuine historians, African historians have proven that all the original communities of North Africa are Nubian and that includes the people of Kemit.

Amujale:


Yes, yes and yes.

Can you provide them?

macof:

Can you provide them?

Certainly, will post accordingly.

The linguistic comparison is mainly sourced from my personal lexicon that is in turn derived from the works of many African historians i.e Cheik Anta Diop, Maulana Ndabezitha Karenga, R.O Faulkner and especially Théophile Obenga.


I would recommend the book below;


Pharaonic Egyptian: an African language
Egyptian - Dagara - Yoruba - Baule - Dogon - Languages ​​of Bahr el-Ghazal by Théophile OBENGA.
(It’s important to note that the above book is originally published in French, however, one could always subject the book to a translator)


This technical work on historical and comparative linguistics is composed of studies already published since 1976 as well as recent studies, made public here for the first time.

The method of historical and comparative linguistics is clearly exposed, then applied to the facts of African language.

This didactic dimension of the work gives this book all its value and all its originality.

Since the Cairo conference in 1974, and from the founding works of Cheikh Anta Diop, Pharaonic Egyptian, ancient Nilotic African language, and other modern African languages, refer to a common predialectal ancestor whose demonstration is convincing.

We can proceed to a more scientific classification of African languages. Baule (baoulé) from Ivory Coast, Dogon from Mali, Dagara from Burkina Faso, Yoruba from Nigeria, Nilotic languages ​​from Bahr el-Ghazal in southern Sudan, Pharaonic Egyptian and Coptic provide the materials for the linguistic demonstration.

The Akkadian and Assyrian, themselves Semitic, are also called upon to better contrast the very detailed analyzes of paradigms and structures.

Here then is a work of considerable value, for the benefit of African linguistics and general linguistics.

macof:

Can you provide them?

Another good read is ‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf

macof:


Has Runoko Rashidi ever even worked at any African University or even been to Africa for research cus frankly I don't know
For you to declare him one of the foremost

Runoko Rashidi is an African scholar, the introduction I gave him says it all.

Amujale:
Runoko Rashidi is one of the foremost scholars in the field of research into melanated communities all over the world. 

He is not the kind of academic who sits in an ivory tower only studying manuscripts, he meets with many communities in over 100 countries and visited countless museums and historical sites and given thousands of lectures. 

He has taken beautiful photographs, some of which feature in his other books published by Books of Africa, Black Star, African Star over Asia e.t.c

In all reality, Runoko is a Nubian.

The Berbers, Moore, Assyrians, Arabians and Europeans are all foreigners to the North African region.

The Berbers descend from the Barbarians, the Moors from a mixture of Arab and European, the Assyrians and Arabs from the Mediterranean and the Europeans from Europe.

Originally all the communities in North Africa was those of the Nubian. Not strictly the Nubian as is known today, but African.

As in, in the olden days, the term Nubian simply refers to the African.

The Arabs, Greeks and Persians used that term as well as other terms such as Ethiopian in order to signify the presence of the African.

According to the history of Northern Africa, it was these foreigners that invaded the region and settled there as far back as the First Millennium, a period that predates the founding of Carthage.

Amujale:


Another good read is ‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf

If you spoke Yoruba you would know that Obenga 's work is filled with flawed Yoruba translations
I wonder if he gave flawed translations for the Egyptian words too

EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count.
And more

Also i was hoping you would provide an independent egyptian dictionary that confirms this particular list you shared ealier

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

macof:


EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count.
And more..

..

Where did you read such submission in this thread?

Kindly point to me where on this thread you get such submissions.

These are the submissions i provide here, are you contesting any of these?

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

macof:

Also i was hoping you would provide an independent egyptian dictionary that confirms this particular list you shared ealier

Amujale:
The linguistic comparison is mainly sourced from my personal lexicon that is in turn derived from the works of many African historians i.e Cheik Anta Diop, Maulana Ndabezitha Karenga, R.O Faulkner and especially Théophile Obenga.


I would recommend the book below;


Pharaonic Egyptian: an African language
Egyptian - Dagara - Yoruba - Baule - Dogon - Languages ​​of Bahr el-Ghazal by Théophile OBENGA.
(It’s important to note that the above book is originally published in French, however, one could always subject the book to a translator)


This technical work on historical and comparative linguistics is composed of studies already published since 1976 as well as recent studies, made public here for the first time.

The method of historical and comparative linguistics is clearly exposed, then applied to the facts of African language.

This didactic dimension of the work gives this book all its value and all its originality.

Since the Cairo conference in 1974, and from the founding works of Cheikh Anta Diop, Pharaonic Egyptian, ancient Nilotic African language, and other modern African languages, refer to a common predialectal ancestor whose demonstration is convincing.

We can proceed to a more scientific classification of African languages. Baule (baoulé) from Ivory Coast, Dogon from Mali, Dagara from Burkina Faso, Yoruba from Nigeria, Nilotic languages ​​from Bahr el-Ghazal in southern Sudan, Pharaonic Egyptian and Coptic provide the materials for the linguistic demonstration.

The Akkadian and Assyrian, themselves Semitic, are also called upon to better contrast the very detailed analyzes of paradigms and structures.

Here then is a work of considerable value, for the benefit of African linguistics and general linguistics.

The way it works is that we transliterate the Metu Neter.

Assuming you are looking for lexicon on the Metu Neter, the sources above ARE the world leaders.

macof:


If you spoke Yoruba you would know that Obenga 's work is filled with flawed Yoruba translations
I wonder if he gave flawed translations for the Egyptian words too.

If i spoke Yoruba?

Hahaha very funny.

Nje emi le speak Yoruba bi?

I know you arent disputing my credentials, just thought it necessary to reinforce my stand.

Anyways, one can learn to read and transliterate the Metu Neter.

There are many ways to accomplish such actions, i learnt the quickest way from the conscious community.

Assumung you are looking to learn as well, i can connect you with a sound tutor.

Now back to Obenga, yes some of his Yoruba translations werent accurate, however, he's not the one who constructed the proof i present to the thread, i did.

Furthermore, his work on Kemit is without dispute.

I would stick my scholastic neck out and say he's one of the world's leading scholars partaining to the study of Kemitic linguistics and how it relates to other African languages.

Yes, the Metu Neter is 100% African.

macof:

EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count...

Its important to note that i totally agree with you on these pointers.

Amujale:
..

Where did you read such submission in this thread?

Kindly point to me where on this thread you get such submissions.

These are the submissions i provide here, are you contesting any of these?

So you didn't read this link before posting it? I got it from here

‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf


And my post was clear enough actually

Amujale:


Its important to note that i totally agree with you on these pointers.

im confused
Did you misunderstand my comment before?

Foreigners didnt decode the Metu Neter, they transliterated it via the Rosetta Stone.

The Rosetta Stone is what the people of Kemit was forced to hand to the Ptolemy's during their stint in Egypt.

The false assertion that foreigners decoded the Metu Neter is tantamount to claiming that foreigners decoded the Yoruba language.

Such assertions belong in the trash can.

The fact is that all African languages had their own written text prior to foreign distruption.

These are the literature that the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers waged a substained attack on during their attempt of world domination.

macof:
im confused
Did I misunderstand my comment before?

No need to be confused, i was the one who posted the source, therefore, as one who does extensive research, as a historian, its common to come accross these kind of discrepancies.

Its our job to take the accurate version and discard the incorrect information.

macof:


So you didn't read this link before posting it? I got it from here

‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf


And my post was clear enough actually

Thats not the point, the point is that you didnt see those words in my submission.

Focus on the content in the thread and work from there.

The point of this thread is to proof beyond doubt that the Yoruba was, are present in Kemit at the start and as such, our language features a great deal.

More importantly, our ancestors helped found Kemit.

Yes, there was other communities from the continent, however, Yoruba is one of them.

Amujale:


If i spoke Yoruba?

Hahaha very funny.

Nje emi le speak Yoruba bi?

I know you arent disputing my credentials, just thought it necessary to reinforce my stand.

Anyways, one can learn to read and transliterate the Metu Neter.

There are many ways to accomplish such actions, i learnt the quickest way from the conscious community.

Assumung you are looking to learn as well, i can connect you with a sound tutor.

Now back to Obenga, yes some of his Yoruba translations werent accurate, however, he's not the one who constructed the proof i present to the thread, i did.

Furthermore, his work on Kemit is without dispute.

I would stick my scholastic neck out and say he's one of the world's leading scholars partaining to the study of Kemitic linguistics and how it relates to other African languages.

Yes, the Metu Neter is 100% African.

it was just a question besides one can never know on a faceless forum.

Hmm. Conscious community.
These African American "conscious" guys can be funny though, I have experience with them. I for one can only advise to scrutinize your teachings from them, examine the variables and implications of what they say and if it is consistent with reality and known facts


Obenga is indeed a popular proponent of the African identity of ancient Egyptians and even without him I am convinced that the ancient Egyptian identity is most significantly African.
But his work doesn't do a good job at using other African languages. One thing that we must remember is that the ancient Egyptian language is an Afro-asiatic language but he compares this language using words that he believes to be cognates from Niger-Congo languages

Also my trust for his expertise is very little as the Yoruba words he uses either don't exist or don't mean what he says they do

macof:

it was just a question besides one can never know on a faceless forum.

Hmm. Conscious community.
These African American "conscious" guys can be funny though, I have experience with them. I for one can only advise to scrutinize your teachings from them, examine the variables and implications of what they say and if it is consistent with reality and known facts


Obenga is indeed a popular proponent of the African identity of ancient Egyptians and even without him I am convinced that the ancient Egyptian identity is most significantly African.
But his work doesn't do a good job at using other African languages. One thing that we must remember is that the ancient Egyptian language is an Afro-asiatic language but he compares this language using words that he believes to be cognates from Niger-Congo languages

Also my trust for his expertise is very little as the Yoruba words he uses either don't exist or don't mean what he says they do

Who says the Ancient Egyptian language is Afro-asiatic?

That is only claimed by foreigners who seek to deny the fact the Egypt is African.

macof:

One thing that we must remember is that the ancient Egyptian language is an Afro-asiatic language but he compares this language using words that he believes to be cognates from Niger-Congo languages.

The Ancient Egyptian language isnt Afro-asiatic due to the fact that Kemit predates Asia.

Hence, the question would arise, how can one claim the people of Kemit spoke an Afro-asiatic language when at the time of their foundation, there was zero human activity on the Asian continent?

The scholars who made those assertions are liars and fakers.

Furthermore, the Niger-Congo languages have the more prominant linguistic connections than any other region of the world.

Perhaps the most mportant point to note is that the language classification of African languages wasnt created by Africans.

I hope we can all agree on the above statement.

Amujale:


Who says the Ancient Egyptian language is Afro-asiatic?

That is only claimed by foreigners who seek to deny the fact the Egypt is African.

In what way does "claiming" Egyptian language is Afro-asiatic deny the people being African?

Most Afro-asiatic languages are spoken within Africa and by black Africans. Also the language group originates around the blue nile in Ethiopia

So how does Ancient Egyptian being an Afro-asiatic language affect the people being African?

macof:


Hmm. Conscious community.
These African American "conscious" guys can be funny though, I have experience with them. I for one can only advise to scrutinize your teachings from them, examine the variables and implications of what they say and if it is consistent with reality and known facts

I must admit that ive had that thought process in the past, yet, on a closer inspection, they hold a vast amount of good and genuine infornation backed with concrete sources.

Furthermore, the particular scholars i would introduce you to is in reference to the transliteration of the Metu Neter, no more, no less.

Btw, they are known to charge tuition fee.

They take us on field trips to Kemit, not solely based in the classroom.

Amujale:
Perhaps the most mportant point to note is that the language classification of African languages wasnt created by Africans.

I hope we can all agree on the above statement.

And so? What has that to do with the linguistic accuracy or inaccuracy of the language classification?

Do we say that you as a Yoruba (I assume you are Yoruba) must be inaccurate of anything you say about non yorubas no matter how hard you study?

macof:


And so? What has that to do with the linguistic accuracy or inaccuracy of the language classification?

Once we start to classify African languages as being Afro-asiatic, then that unfortunately takes us out of the necessary point of study.

Civilisation moved down the Nile.

macof:

Do we say that you as a Yoruba (I assume you are Yoruba) must be inaccurate of anything you say about non yorubas no matter how hard you study?

That is very possible, im the first to admit.

And that brings us to the point of the thread.

The only correct and geniune narrative on African history are those admitted by the African, all other narratives are false and invalid.

However, im a sucker to genuine sourced material.

Assuming my informatiom is genuinely sourced, then such must be admissable.

Amujale:
Perhaps the most mportant point to note is that the language classification of African languages wasnt created by Africans.

I hope we can all agree on the above statement.

macof:


And so? What has that to do with the linguistic accuracy or inaccuracy of the language classification?

That makes a huge amount of difference.

The people who ran a slavetrade, stole, confiscated, pillaged, desecrated, raped and exploited the continent are by right disqualified from writing our history, thats simple common sense logic.

Yes, it does matter dur to the fact they would have an ulterior motive

Amujale:


Once we start to classify African languages as being Afro-asiatic, then that unfortunately takes us out of the necessary point of study.

Civilisation moved up the Nile.

Civilisation didnt move downwards.

civilization moved up the Nile, true, but it doesn't negate the fact that the language belongs to a language group that evolved separately from Niger-Congo languages.

Afro-asiatic still originated within Africa so what exactly is the problem my man

The implication is that Africans must have spread an early form of an Afro-asiatic language to the middle east where the people there adopted the language which would later develop into the proto-semitic or perhaps proto-semitic was already spoken in Africa and carried to the people in the middle east

It doesn't take us out of the study at all, rather the study begins with us

Amujale:





That makes a huge amount of difference.

The people who ran a slavetrade, stole, confiscated, pillaged, desecrated, raped and exploited the continent are by right disqualified from writing our history, thats simple common sense logic.

Yes, it does matter dur to the fact they would have an ulterior motive

Nothing disqualifies a scholar from researching and reporting the conclusion of his research.

If there is a problem with the research, scrutiny would reveal it.
You don't overlook the work and attack the person.

Such mentality can hurt you too because people can say well you aren't Egyptian don't talk about Egypt

macof:

Afro-asiatic still originated within Africa so what exactly is the problem my man

The problem is as stated earlier, the people of Kemit couldnt in a billion years have spoken an Afro-asiatic language.

By default, following the correct timeline in history, Asia wasnt even an afterthought during the founding of Kemit.

If anything, the Berber, Moors and current Egyptians are the ones who speak an Afro-asiatic language.

The people of Kemit spoke a purely African language; and as the evidence suggest, perhaps more leaning towards Niger-Congo than anything.

Amujale:


The problem is as stated earlier, the people of Kemit couldnt in a billion years have spoken an Afro-asiatic language.

By default, following the correct timeline in history, Asia wasnt even an afterthought during the founding of Kemit.

If anything, the Berber, Moors and current Egyptians are the ones who speak an Afro-asiatic language.

The people of Kemit spoke a purely African language; and as the evidence suggest, perhaps more leaning towards Niger-Congo than anything.

Its not called "Afro-asiatic" because the Egyptians thought about Asia or not.

It's called Afro-asiatic because the languages of the classification are spoken in Asia and Africa


Berber languages are related to ancient Egyptian.