Peacefullove:
the funny thing is you admitted he wasn't quoting it FULL earlier which even add more doubts to your claim. if such verse existed, he would have done that .

How many early Christians writers make FULL quote when quoting scripture?

The fact is, everyone can see the COMMA from Cyprian statement except deluded and liar like you.

now here you are claiming Everything he said was Directly Quoted @ bold . contrarily you claimed it wasn't a full quote in a previous post

You can see the reason I said you lack wisdom!

I only presented to you how the COMMA part of "and the three are one" was written in Greek and how the verse 8 part of "and the three are one" was written too.

So, if you claim it's from verse 8 then it should be in that form but if it's from the COMMA then it should be in that form.

you are confused .

Lying liar mouth...

I'm still waiting for the source you got your quote from and even claim no ARTICLE "the" before Son and Holy Ghost.

Emusan:

[s]
How many early Christians writers make FULL quote when quoting scripture?

The fact is, everyone can see the COMMA from Cyprian statement except deluded and liar like you.



You can see the reason I said you lack wisdom!

I only presented to you how the COMMA part of "and the three are one" was written in Greek and how the verse 8 part of "and the three are one" was written too.

So, if you claim it's from verse 8 then it should be in that form but if it's from the COMMA then it should be in that form.


Lying liar mouth...

I'm still waiting for the source you got your quote from and even claim no ARTICLE "the" before Son and Holy Ghost. [/s]

. you already expose your self in the next post am gonna do

Emusan:
Here is where your lying mouth will be shut forever!!!



Now it's about ARTICLE "The"

fact remains the quote cannot be the same . Even if your source add the article " THE " , The " OF " wasn't in the verse . The use of Son instead of Word Even exposed your lies.

How many of the early Christian writers usually make QUOTE exactly as it is from the scripture?

talk about the Bible, there are many direct quotes from LXX .

You're the one who quoted Cyprian yet you didn't see "OF THE FATHER" there...that's wonderful.

Just like I said, you're just looking for a way to derail this thread which is very glaring.

You fall for the bait, I was asking where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 u claimed he quoted. is there" OF " before The Father , son or holy ghost ?? this is simply writers expression

This is how Wikipedia put

The Lord says, "I and the Father are one"
and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
"And these three are one." [52]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma

thank You! see the quote

so according to you in the first quote we have

" THE LORD SAYS" and we also have " I and the Father are one " ... one was an expression , the other was a direct quote.

hence Wikipedia QUOTE I and the Father are one SPECIALLY ... that got a special quote .

In the second instance , ONLY " These three are one" was QUOTED .

your argument would mean even the word " The Lord says " was directly picked from the bible , It's just an expression just as Of the Father, The son and the holy ghost are the writers expression.

Original source puts it this way

" The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " [s] and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit [/s] ,[/u] "And these three are one."

https://books.google.nl/books?id=hMU7AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA382&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false


This is how it is!

"The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one."



Liar, what you even called expression is called "ALLUDED" hardly early writers' quotes match their quoting WORD FOR WORD.

Majority alluded to the scripture.

Where does the idea of applying "And these three are one" to the three persons if the TRINITY comes from if not from the COMMA?

I believe you have sense to see the colored parts , I even strike some parts to help u... it's say more about this. the writer wasn't quoting 1John 5:7, but a quote from verse 8 just as the expression + the Lord says + which precede I and the Father are one is NOT a Bible quote but the writers expression

Emusan:
I've told you people several times that you should stop spamming my mention. Once you quote me, every knowledgeable person knows my post is being referenced except deluded JWs who must keep repeating my moniker here and there.

Emusan !!!!!!!!!!

It's your identity on this forum, embrace it.
Answer the name you give yourself

Emusan:


Make me understand



Then who said, 1 John 2:23b and 1 John 5:6 contain Trinity doctrine?

Can you see that you're the very one who didn't understand anything from this thread




Read the lost you quoted again and stop talking nonsense.

Having seen textual variants of 1 John 5:6 the preceding verse before the COMMA in the early manuscripts, let's proceed to next one!

Let's turn to 1 John 2:23b, as it proves two things. First, it proves that a Trinitarian clause could be expunged from 1 John in the majority of manuscripts.

Second, it proves that the Vulgate can sometimes preserve authentic readings more accurately than can the majority of Greek manuscripts.

1 John 2:23 in the King James Bible says:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

"πας ο αρνουμενος τον υιον ουδε τον πατερα εχει ο ομολογων τον υιον και τον πατερα εχει" (Textus Receptus, Beza 1598)

The second clause of this Trinitarian verse is supported by the Vulgate, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, Ephraemi, Porphyrianus and about 70 other Greek manuscripts (Novum Testamentum Graecum: Editio Critica Maior: IV Catholic Letters, Text, 2nd Ed. (Stuttgart: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 2013), p. 292). Most modern translations (e.g. NIV, ESV, NASB) follow this reading.

But with there being about 517 extant Greek manuscripts of 1 John and with just over 70 manuscripts having 1 John 2:23b, the clause is a minority reading. Accordingly, the Byzantine Majority Text does not include the clause.

The Majority Text says:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father."

"πας ο αρνουμενος τον υιον ουδε τον πατερα εχει" (Byzantine Majority Text)


The Geneva Bible in 1557 followed the majority of manuscripts here and left out the latter clause[b]. If a Trinitarian clause in 1 John 2:23 could be lost in the majority of Greek manuscripts, and the Vulgate can be more reliable here, it is not much of a stretch to believe that the Johannine COMMA was
[/b]

Trinity GIBBERISH dey confuse your brain since 19gbidigbidi

Only Jehovah knows what you took before posting your conflicting claims

Peacefullove:
fact remains the quote cannot be the same . Even if your source add the article " THE " , The " OF " wasn't in the verse . The use of Son instead of Word Even exposed your lies.

See liar trying to cover up his lies.

What is your source, show us so that we can apply see.

Your source must be a terrible, corrupt and dishonesty one for them to twist the statement that way.

So I'm still waiting for your source.

talk about the Bible, there are many direct quotes from LXX .

But is there ALLUSION also?

If yes! Does that mean it's just their expression or still quote?

You fall for the bait, I was asking where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 u claimed he quoted. is there" OF " before The Father , son or holy ghost ?? this is simply writers expression

Fraudster...

"IT IS WRITTEN OF The Father, of the Son, and The Holy Ghost..."

thank You! see the quote

so according to you in the first quote we have

" THE LORD SAYS" and we also have " I and the Father are one " ... one was an expression , the other was a direct quote.

hence Wikipedia QUOTE I and the Father are one SPECIALLY ... that got a special quote .

In the second instance , ONLY " These three are one" was QUOTED .

That's why you'll remain liar forever.
I know you lack basic English

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Which means the three names have been linked with "AND THESE THERE ARE ONE"

That's the reason your fraudulent source put "IT IS WRITTEN" after "of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" in other to change the narrative.

your argument would mean even the word " The Lord says " was directly picked from the bible , It's just an expression just as Of the Father, The son and the holy ghost are the writers expression.

It was never an expression stop lying...

This is simple English and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." and verse 8 doesn't have these three names.

I believe you have sense to see the colored parts , I even strike some parts to help u... it's say more about this. the writer wasn't quoting 1John 5:7, but a quote from verse 8 just as the expression + the Lord says + which precede I and the Father are one is NOT a Bible quote but the writers expression

Does verse 8 mention the THREE PERSONS?

You're trying hard to make Cyprian commits theology suicide but using wrong verse for his Trinity support.

If comma wasn't existed that time, Cyprian wouldn't have used "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Verse 8 is never a reference to the three persons of the Trinity and know one has ever used verse 8 as a prove for Trinity.

Peacefullove:


. you already expose your self in the next post am gonna do

That's why you couldn't provide your fraudulent source.

I'm still waiting for it, and you must provide it.

I think I've expressed myself on this, and vibrant English students can see for themselves who is lying here.

Emusan:


See liar trying to cover up his lies.

What is your source, show us so that we can apply see.

Your source must be a terrible, corrupt and dishonesty one for them to twist the statement that way.

So I'm still waiting for your source.




But is there ALLUSION also?

If yes! Does that mean it's just their expression or still quote?



Fraudster...

"IT IS WRITTEN OF The Father, of the Son, and The Holy Ghost..."



That's why you'll remain liar forever.
I know you lack basic English

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Which means the three names have been linked with "AND THESE THERE ARE ONE"

That's the reason your fraudulent source put "IT IS WRITTEN" after "of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" in other to change the narrative.



It was never an expression stop lying...

This is simple English and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." and verse 8 doesn't have these three names.



Does verse 8 mention the THREE PERSONS?

You're trying hard to make Cyprian commits theology suicide but using wrong verse for his Trinity support.

If comma wasn't existed that time, Cyprian wouldn't have used "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Verse 8 is never a reference to the three persons of the Trinity and know one has ever used verse 8 as a prove for Trinity.

" oF " didn't even appear in the so called verse, neither did he use Word . I even strike through some of the post to open your eyes

You this Fraud .... Is The Lord says part of the John 10:30 quote or Cyprian expression ?

Emusan:


See liar trying to cover up his lies.

What is your source, show us so that we can apply see.

Your source must be a terrible, corrupt and dishonesty one for them to twist the statement that way.

So I'm still waiting for your source.




But is there ALLUSION also?

If yes! Does that mean it's just their expression or still quote?



Fraudster...

"IT IS WRITTEN OF The Father, of the Son, and The Holy Ghost..."



That's why you'll remain liar forever.
I know you lack basic English

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Which means the three names have been linked with "AND THESE THERE ARE ONE"

That's the reason your fraudulent source put "IT IS WRITTEN" after "of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" in other to change the narrative.



It was never an expression stop lying...

This is simple English and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

"IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." and verse 8 doesn't have these three names.



Does verse 8 mention the THREE PERSONS?

You're trying hard to make Cyprian commits theology suicide but using wrong verse for his Trinity support.

If comma wasn't existed that time, Cyprian wouldn't have used "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..."

Verse 8 is never a reference to the three persons of the Trinity and know one has ever used verse 8 as a prove for Trinity.

The Three persons mentioned are Cyprian expression just as The Lord says was his expression . GET SOME THINKING

Emusan:


That's why you couldn't provide your fraudulent source.

I'm still waiting for it, and you must provide it.

I think I've expressed myself on this, and vibrant English students can see for themselves who is lying here.

Even your source could NOT bail you .


Where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 ? Where is the Son ??

Emusan

Original source puts it this way

" The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit ,[/u] "And these three are one."

https://books.google.nl/books?id=hMU7AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA382&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

The bold is enough to open the eyes of anyone , In the quote There exist is personal expressions and direct quotes . The direct quotes was in special quotations, The foolery of Emusan on this thread would mean The LORD says which precede the first quote was part of John 10:30

Peacefullove:

" oF " didn't even appear in the so called verse, neither did he use Word . I even strike through some of the post to open your eyes

You this Fraud .... Is The Lord says part of the John 10:30 quote or Cyprian expression ?

Did Cyprian making DIRECT QUOTE?

He said "The Lord says" which means "I and my Father are one" is what the Lord says


Further, he said "IT IS WRITTEN of..." which means the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost has been linked with "and these three are one" yet verse 8 isn't about the FATHER, Son, and the Holy Ghost.

The point here is that it's only COMMA that linked the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

So Cyprian couldn't have quoted verse 8 when the verse isn't about the three persons of the Trinity.

Emusan:


Did Cyprian making DIRECT QUOTE?

He said "The Lord says" which means "I and my Father are one" is what the Lord says


Further, he said "IT IS WRITTEN of..." which means the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost has been linked with "and these three are one" yet verse 8 isn't about the FATHER, Son, and the Holy Ghost.

The point here is that it's only COMMA that linked the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

So Cyprian couldn't have quoted verse 8 when the verse isn't about the three persons of the Trinity.

We can even say he was quoting Matthew 28:19'20 where Of the Father , of the son , of the Holy spirit appears.
Do you admit there are personal expressions in the quote like peacefullove pointed out ?

Peacefullove:


The Three persons mentioned are Cyprian expression just as The Lord says was his expression . GET SOME THINKING

Liar, it's not his expression but what was written

"OF" is to show where the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY were mentioned ALL TOGETHER and linked with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

Only COMMA has it not verse 8.


Only a fraudulent person will link verse 8 with the three persons.

Peacefullove:

Even your source could NOT bail you .

Where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 ? Where is the Son ??

For the last time
Provide your source and let us see.
Simple English is worrying you.
Go back to primary school.

Emusan:


Liar, it's not his expression but what was written

"OF" is to show where the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY were mentioned ALL TOGETHER and linked with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

Only COMMA has it not verse 8.


Only a fraudulent person will link verse 8 with the three persons.

The " OF the son" is more closely related to Matthew 28:19,20 , going by your alluded theory, it's not new for someone to alluded to different quotes in a single statement. Do you notice only these three are one and I and my Father are one are quoted SEPARATELY ?

Cc: Peacefullove

Emusan:


For the last time

Provide your source and let us see.

Simple English is worrying you.

Go back to primary school.

Bros calm down

Jozzy4:

We can even say he was quoting Matthew 28:19'20 where Of the Father , of the son , of the Holy spirit appears.
Do you admit there are personal expressions in the quote like peacefullove pointed out ?

Does Matt 28:19-20 have "and these three are one"

No personal expression unless to you fraudsters.

"IT IS WRITTEN of...." makes it clear that he's just referencing what has already been said.

Emusan:


Does Matt 28:19-20 have "and these three are one"

No personal expression unless to you fraudsters.

"IT IS WRITTEN of...." makes it clear that he's just referencing what has already been said.

You are the fraudster, so the Lord says is not a personal expression ?

Emusan:


Liar, it's not his expression but what was written

"OF" is to show where the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY were mentioned ALL TOGETHER and linked with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

Only COMMA has it not verse 8.


Only a fraudulent person will link verse 8 with the three persons.

Linked with pure personal expression, you don't need to link a direct quote

Jozzy4:


The " OF the son" is more closely related to Matthew 28:19,20 , going by your alluded theory, it's not new for someone to alluded to different quotes in a single statement. Do you notice only these three are one and I and my Father are one are quoted SEPARATELY ?

Cc: Peacefullove

Thank you for this .

Jozzy4:


The " OF the son" is more closely related to Matthew 28:19,20 , going by your alluded theory, it's not new for someone to alluded to different quotes in a single statement. Do you notice only these three are one and I and my Father are one are quoted SEPARATELY ?

Cc: Peacefullove

I can see the reason you people are fighting tooth and nail just to discredit Cyprian evidence.

And it's just so unfortunate how you people keep exposing your ignorance of simple English.

1. "IT IS WRITTEN" (that is someone has already jolt it done somewhere)

2. OF the Father, of the Son, and Of the Holy Ghost

3. "and these three are one"

And the COMMA says:

"For there are three who bear witness in heaven, The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

A good student of English can see the wording of COMMA in Cyprian statement except the liars.

The verse starts with BEARING WITNESS IN HEAVEN and Cyprian argument wasn't about BEARING WITNESS but centered on where THE THREE PERSONS are said to be ONE.

Peacefullove:
You are the fraudster, so the Lord says is not a personal expression ?

Olodo..
The Lord says shows he's repeating what Jesus Christ said
and "IT IS WRITTEN" means he's statement was already put down somewhere.

Emusan:


I can see the reason you people are fighting tooth and nail just to discredit Cyprian evidence.

And it's just so unfortunate how you people keep exposing your ignorance of simple English.

1. "IT IS WRITTEN" (that is someone has already jolt it done somewhere)

2. OF the Father, of the Son, and Of the Holy Ghost


3. "and these three are one"

And the COMMA says:

"For there are three who bear witness in heaven, The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE"

A good student of English can see the wording of COMMA in Cyprian statement except the liars.

The verse starts with BEARING WITNESS IN HEAVEN and Cyprian argument wasn't about BEARING WITNESS but centered on where THE THREE PERSONS are said to be ONE.

Personal expressions are in the quote , agree ?

Concerning which is written , Check your point 3 , there is a special quote " "

If such a verse existed , Cyprian would have directly QUOTE everything rather than a single phrase which occur at verse 8 .

Peacefullove:


Linked with pure personal expression, you don't need to link a direct quote

You haven't provide your fraudulent source.

But it's evident Cyprian isn't quoting verse 8

So we can ask, where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost said to be ONE?

Emusan:


Olodo..

The Lord says shows he's repeating what Jesus Christ said

It means his personal expressions , comprehend ?

Can you now admit you lied there was no personal expression in the entire quote ?

and "IT IS WRITTEN" means he's statement was already put down somewhere.

That which is written was the one in special quotes . Everything outside those quotes are Cyprian personal expressions

Peacefullove:
Personal expressions are in the quote , agree ?

Concerning which is written , Check your point 3 , there is a special quote " "

If such a verse existed , Cyprian would have directly QUOTE everything rather than a single phrase which occur at verse 8 .

No personal expression anywhere.

Where is your sources?

So where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost was said "AND THE THREE ARE ONE"?

Emusan:


You haven't provide your fraudulent source.

But it's evident Cyprian isn't quoting verse 8

So we can ask, where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost said to be ONE?

No such verse exist , that's why he didn't gave a full quote , but only that phrase written in Verse 8. He applied it because it fit his narration

Emusan:


No personal expression anywhere.

Where is your sources?

So where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost was said "AND THE THREE ARE ONE"?

So the Lord says is part of what he quoted at John 10:30 ?

I can see you can't provide your fraudulent source again.

Why are you ashamed of providing your fraudulent source.

And this has settled my post about Cyprian statement.

Peacefullove:
No such verse exist , that's why he didn't gave a full quote , but only that phrase written in Verse 8. He applied it because it fit his narration

I remember I gave you a tutorial on different between verse 7 & 8 but blocked head and dishonesty won't allow you to learn, now it has come back to hunt you.

RECAP!!!

This was my previous post

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Let me also tutor you because I know you lack wisdom

This is what appears "τρεις εν εισιν" in the Comma rather than of "τρεις εις το εν εισιν" in verse 8. The Greek in verse 8 has the preposition "εις".

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The reason I brought this back is because I know you lack knowledge of the subject matter but only after lying and distracting and detailing the thread.

Now, from above ONLY in the COMMA (verse 7) you will find "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" according to Greek used while the Greek that appears in verse 8 is translated by all versions as

"the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NWT

NET
the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.

NIRV
They are the Holy Spirit, the birth of Jesus, and the death of Jesus. And the three of them agree.

NIV
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NIVUK
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NKJV
And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

NLV
There are three who speak of this on the earth: the Holy Spirit and the water and the blood. These three speak the same thing.

NLT
the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree.

It's evident that Cyprian actually quoted the COMMA and not verse 8 this is even in support with the MENTION OF THE THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY but your lying mouth said otherwise.

Emusan:
I can see you can't provide your fraudulent source again.

Why are you ashamed of providing your fraudulent source.

And this has settled my post about Cyprian statement.



I remember I gave you a tutorial on different between verse 7 & 8 but blocked head and dishonesty won't allow you to learn, now it has come back to hunt you.

RECAP!!!

This was my previous post

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Let me also tutor you because I know you lack wisdom

This is what appears "τρεις εν εισιν" in the Comma rather than of "τρεις εις το εν εισιν" in verse 8. The Greek in verse 8 has the preposition "εις".

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The reason I brought this back is because I know you lack knowledge of the subject matter but only after lying and distracting and detailing the thread.

Now, from above ONLY in the COMMA (verse 7) you will find "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" according to Greek used while the Greek that appears in verse 8 is translated by all versions as

"the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NWT

NET
the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.

NIRV
They are the Holy Spirit, the birth of Jesus, and the death of Jesus. And the three of them agree.

NIV
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NIVUK
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

NKJV
And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

NLV
There are three who speak of this on the earth: the Holy Spirit and the water and the blood. These three speak the same thing.

NLT
the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree.

It's evident that Cyprian actually quoted the COMMA and not verse 8 this is even in support with the MENTION OF THE THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY but your lying mouth said otherwise.

Quote verse 8 in the ISV , what does it say?



u are a fraud, does verse 7 contain " OF " or " the Word " either . Son and Word are the same Greek word ?

A Latin writing of Cyprians time reffering to 1John 5:8

"Moreover, I think also that we have not unsuitably set in order the teaching of the Apostle John, who says that 'three bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one,' ” (A Treatise on Rebaptism, Section 19).


proved that a reference to Verse 8 could contain the exact words Cyprian used. FOR A FACT, Cyprian Only quoted the phrase " and these three are one "


if such a verse existed , Cyprian would have made a FULL Quote rather than half . he definitely has no idea of such a verse.

Now let's move to the next stage!

By bringing the support of the early Christians writers.

Let's start from the Greek writers.

Athanasius

By "Athanasius", it is meant Athanasius (c. 296 – 373 AD) or Pseudo-Athanasius (c. 350 - c. 600 AD).  Athanasius quoted the Comma in Disputatio Contra Arium:

"But also, is not that sin-remitting, life-giving and sanctifying washing [baptism], without which, no one shall see the kingdom of heaven, given to the faithful in the Thrice-Blessed Name? In addition to all these, John affirms, 'and these three are one.'"

Athanasius quoted another portion of the Comma in Quaestiones Aliae:

"Even as my soul is one, but a triune soul, reason, and breath; so also God is one, but is also triune, Father, Word, and Holy Ghost....  For as soul, reason and breath are three features, and in substance one soul, and not three souls; so Father, Word and Holy Ghost, [are] three persons, and one God in substance, and not three gods."