WizzyVine:


Oh my God! Jehovah Witnesses really worship Michael? Aaah!!! Wicked devil shall be judged for all the mischiefs, deceits and falsehood he has spread among men.

Blabbermouth:

I don't want to pull this string farther. It will be better for me to put aside our differences or else a point may come where you will see me as an opposer.
He is the son of God, He died for our sins and through Him we are saved. If we both believe this, then cool.
Here is a question for you and any interested person;
Can anyone get saved without Christ?

WizzyVine:



When Jesus said "I and my Father are one", what did you think He meant?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

Blabbermouth:
I don't want to pull this string farther. It will be better for me to put aside our differences or else a point may come where you will see me as an opposer

I have never perceived us has having differences. Neither have I taken you as an opposer. I see you as a hard baller. You play it, hard, tough and ruthless, so I too reciprocate in kind, at times with extra value added on top, just for good measure and maximum effect. My bark is just a bark, but worse than my bite, which is why I hardly bite

Blabbermouth:
He is the son of God, He died for our sins and through Him we are saved. If we both believe this, then cool.

Blabbermouth:
Here is a question for you and any interested person;
Can anyone get saved without Christ?

solite3:

@ bolded
Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
It means that Jesus was never the son of God before the announcement, since the angel announced that Jesus shall be called the son of the highest.
Same language with Isaiah 9vv6.

solite3:
@ bolded

Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

It means that Jesus was never the son of God before the announcement, since the angel announced that Jesus shall be called the son of the highest.

Same language with Isaiah 9vv6.

Maximus69:
There is a difference that you didn't notice Sir!

He will be called the son of God.

He will be called the son of the Highest God!

For your information, people were referred to as son of God in other nations before the coming of Jesus.
For instance Pharaoh of Egypt was thought to be the Son of Ra an Egyptian God, that's the reason why God said all the firstborn in Egypt will die! It was an heavy blow on Ra when Pharaoh's firstborn son died in the palace where Ra supposed to be protecting Pharaoh's family!
So it's not something new amongst the nations if someone is born and called the Son of God, that's why Gabriel said Jesus will be called the Son of the Most High God to distinguish him from all others who have been bearing that title before him!

No wonder a Roman Soldier exclaimed after seeing everything that happened surrounding Jesus death "certainly this was God's Son" {Matthew 27:54} of course for this Pagan to say this means he knew for certain that Jesus' claim as God's Son wasn't a mere superstition! :

Maximus69:

There is a difference that you didn't notice Sir!

He will be called the son of God.

He will be called the son of the Highest God!

For your information, people were referred to as son of God in other nations before the coming of Jesus.
For instance Pharaoh of Egypt was thought to be the Son of Ra an Egyptian God, that's the reason why God said all the firstborn in Egypt will die! It was an heavy blow on Ra when Pharaoh's firstborn son died in the palace where Ra supposed to be protecting Pharaoh's family!
So it's not something new amongst the nations if someone is born and called the Son of God, that's why Gabriel said Jesus will be called the Son of the Most High God to distinguish him from all others who have been bearing that title before him!

No wonder a Roman Soldier exclaimed after seeing everything that happened surrounding Jesus death "certainly this was God's Son" {Matthew 27:54} of course for this Pagan to say this means he knew for certain that Jesus' claim as God's Son wasn't a mere superstition!

MuttleyLaff:

"And there is salvation in no other,
for there is not another name under heaven having been given among men, by which it behooves us to be saved."
(i.e. No one else can save us. Indeed, we can be saved only by the power of the one named Jesus and not by any other person."
- Acts 4:12
So the answer to your easy, direct, simple, harmless, innocent and straightforward question is capital NO, meaning no one can get saved without Ha Mashiach aka Christ

solite3:

Smh, you are just confused

Maximus69:


NO!

MuttleyLaff:


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"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"
- Luke 1:32

Are you that desperation or is it out of frustration, hmm?

Why the embellishment nah?

The text in Luke 1:32, states: "... called the Son of the Most High ..." (i.e. ''... called the Son of the highest heavens ...'') AND NOT "... called the Son of the Highest God ..." nau.

You Sir, my dear Maximus69, are adding strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded you to do. Smh. The strikeout God is you trying to make Luke 1:32 play according to your bidding by adding God. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. Naughty naughty naughty.

solite3:

Smh, you are just confused

Janosky:
WAYO man, Jesus Christ is not the Most High, except you write your own Bible and put am there.
Psalms 83:18, Exodus 6:3, Jehovah is the only Most High.

Muttleylaff is even more confused than Solite3 by giving a false impression about Luke1:32

DappaD:


Yours is the only reasonable comment I can reply to
But I see you're only dragging the matter sha but OK
Guess this is your own definition of a triune god?




What's the definition of a deity?
It simply means a “god” or “godess”
The Bible rightly called men “gods”—Psalm 82:6, John 10:34,35
Jehovah God bestowed authority on Moses to be God before Pharaoh—Exodus 4:16, 7:1
So it's not a big deal, Jesus Christ is godlike/divine in nature and so are the other angels in heaven but none of them compare to the Jehovah the Almighty God (Genesis 17:1, Revelation 15:3)



I've already provided Scriptures for all those already — Isaiah 41:14, 43:12, 48:17, Daniel 7:13, Revelation 21:5.
@the underlined, no I will not note that because the term “Father” is not exclusive to just the New Testament. Please see Isaiah 63:16 and 64:8 and douse your thirst.



I'm not sure I understand this clearly. The Bible reveals that the Jews have always known their God to be one and one alone—Deuteronomy 6:4, 1Corinthians 8:6, 1Timothy 2:5
@Mark 12:32, Jesus himself debunked all claims/falsehoods saying that God is a three-in-one. Please read that verse.
As for the italicised, the Jews were furious at Jesus for allegedly making himself “God's Son” —John 10:36. It was the dubious Jews at John 5:18 who misunderstood the whole thing and said Jesus called himself God hence the air was cleared at John 10:36.




Acts 7:55-56
“But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

The verse clearly reads “of God's glory AND of Jesus”—the ‘AND’ conjunction indicating a demarcation.
From programming, God's glory !== Jesus


And where was Jesus situated at?—God's right hand. That's right, by the side of Jehovah God and that's why he could tell Jesus to receive his spirit. Knowing that anything he asks in Jesus' name would be answered—John 15:16.
Stephen knew this, and God being present then, he was invariably making his petition known to Jehovah his God—through Jesus(Philippians 4:6)





Jehovah God himself is the Shepherd who cares for his sheep (Jeremiah 31:10)
But he has ascribed power and authority to his Son, Jesus Christ so that he[Jesus] intercedes in our behalf and therefore is the “fine shepherd” of the Christian congregation — Matthew 28:18, John 10:11, Ephesians 5:23, Hebrews 13:20
Elders in the Christian congregation have also been assigned to “shepherd the flock of God” — 1Peter 5:2

As for Philippians 2:5-9, we've already established that Jesus was godlike/of divine nature/spirit form before he came to the earth(John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-17, Revelation 3:14), that's why that scripture said he was in “God's form” and so are the rest of the angels in heaven (Psalm 104:4)
It's just like saying because Adam was made in God's image, that somehow made him Jehovah God? Is that what you're saying?
Mind you, the word “Godhead” appears a total number of ZERO time(s) in both the Hebrew/Greek Scriptures so I don't see why you're bringing it up in our discussion.

Blabbermouth:

The likes of Moses, Abraham, Joshua, Isaiah, Elijah, Enoch and the rest.... Seeing that they were before Christ paid the price for Sin and brought Salvation. Also, we do have a trusted account of Jesus saying;
"Except a man be born of the spirit and of water, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven"
Are they (Moses, Elijah, Enoch, Joshua etc) saved? If so, how were they saved?

Maximus69:
Thank you Sir!

MuttleyLaff:
"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High;
and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,"
- Luke 1:32 Jehovah Witnesses New World Translation (2013 Revision)

Can you please help explain how Maximus69 managed to add strange fire to the above verse with inserting God in it after "... called Son of the Most High", hmm?

You are even worse than the bad of them Maximus69 & Co. Smh

MuttleyLaff:
You wouldn't have to thank me if you had beforehand done a 2 Timothy 2:15 due dilligence, in addition took advantage of using good old fashion interlinear and lexicon resources. You would have saved yourself the world of agbalagba agbalagbi ntara public embarrassment

Maximus69:
God bless you Sir!

Acehart:


Let’s look at the following scriptures my brother:

Hosea 13:8 God described as a mother bear

“Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and tear them asunder…”

Deuteronomy 32:11-12 God described as a mother eagle

“Like the eagle that stirs up its nest, and hovers over its young, God spreads wings to catch you, and carries you on pinions.”

Deuteronomy 32:18 God who gives birth

“You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”

Isaiah 66:13 God as a comforting mother

God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”

Isaiah 49:15 God compared to a nursing mother

God: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or show no compassion for the child of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”

Isaiah 42:14 God as a woman in labor

God: “For a long time I have held my peace, I have kept myself still and restrained myself; now I will cry out like a woman in labor, I will gasp and pant.”

Psalm 131:2 God as a Mother

“But I have calmed and quieted my soul, like a weaned child with its mother; my soul is like the weaned child that is with me.”

Psalm 123:2-3 God compared to a woman
“As the eyes of a servant looks to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to you, YHWH, until you show us your mercy!”

Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:34 God as a Mother Hen

Jesus: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!”

Luke 15:8-10 God as woman looking for her lost coin

Jesus: “Or what woman having ten silver coins, is she loses one of them, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

DappaD, would it be preposterous if I referred to God as a woman or “The Mother” because of the verses listed up there? They are more than the verses you listed to support that Jehovah is “The Father”. If it were to be a B-ball game, I’ll be leading

Of all the characters contested on in this thread, Christ is the only person in the NT that has the motherly attribute. If He wasn’t referred to as “The Son” but “The Mother”, would it make sense that Christ is indeed the Woman spoken about in the verses I listed? (I hope I am not sounding complicated).

You spoke of the angels having a godlike nature or divine nature; are angels eternal? Are they without beginning and end? If the train of God filled the temple, why then do the seraphims fly to reach one end of the temple to the other? If they were indeed divine in nature, why do some of them fall, get defeated, restrained, destroyed? Why are they limited in knowledge, incapacitated to know the full mystery of God or even silent before the throne?

Before I rest my fingers, I’d like to ask if you if you have watched The Game of Thrones, you would agree with me that the King’s hand was de facto King in the event of the king’s absence. More than what the king’s hand meant in the HBO series, Christ standing in the Dexios (right hand of God) means He stands in the place of authority of God. This isn’t a title given to a minion, a subordinate, an adjutant, an under-secretary, a de facto, but a de jure. Yes, the time hasn’t come for the de jure King to take what is rightfully his, yet He is who He is - the Lord, God.

WizzyVine:


I have answered these questions many times today. Read my mentions but let me drop a scripture here for you:


Romans 9:4-5

King James

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.


New Living Translation

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen"

Christian Standard Bible

The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen.

New International Version

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

Now answer your questions for yourself.

When Jesus said "I and my Father are one", what did you think He meant?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

DappaD:

OK OK
You're putting out too much information making it difficult for me to reply.
I'll reply to what I can.
As for GOT, yeah sure.
But why initially compare to that series and then switch lanes and make it contrast from what you initially proposed?
In what way was Eddard Stark the same person as the king Robert Baratheon?
This scenario is the perfect one to illustrate—since Jesus was at God's right hand before assuming kingship in God's Kingdom, how can you still go ahead and claim he is the Almighty God?

DappaD:

OK OK
You're putting out too much information making it difficult for me to reply.
I'll reply to what I can.
As for GOT, yeah sure.
But why initially compare to that series and then switch lanes and make it contrast from what you initially proposed?
In what way was Eddard Stark the same person as the king Robert Baratheon?
This scenario is the perfect one to illustrate—since Jesus was at God's right hand before assuming kingship in God's Kingdom, how can you still go ahead and claim he is the Almighty God?

Maximus69:
I was laughing in chinco when i saw your lengthy reply to a Trinitarian Churchgoer!
Of course he will double if not triple the post to reply you, you think sey nah only JW sabi preach shey?

Acehart:


Please read again. I’ll respond tomorrow. I’m very sure that there would be clarity when you read my comment again. You may try to find out more on the meaning of de facto and de jure and their application.

Later

WizzyVine:



Now answer your questions for yourself.

When Jesus said "I and my Father are one", what did you think He meant?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

MuttleyLaff:
"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High;
and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,"
- Luke 1:32 Jehovah Witnesses New World Translation (2013 Revision)

Can you please help explain how Maximus69 managed to add strange fire to the above verse with inserting God in it after "... called Son of the Most High", hmm?

You are even worse than the bad of them Maximus69 & Co. Smh

Janosky:


Jesus Christ meant what Paul meant
@ 1 Corinthians 3:6,8, "Paul and Appolos are one"
The same thing Jesus Christ meant @ John 17:22-23.

Remember 1Corinthians11:1, Paul is imitating Jesus Christ

Janosky:


STOP deceiving yourselves.

The Manuscripts of Greek Scriptures doesn't have comma or full stop.
Bible translators have to decide where to place comma or full stop in the English translation.
This in effect, would determine the meaning of the verse.

After writing Romans 8:3,32 ,1 Corinthians 3:23, 11:3 , Ephesians 4:6 etc ,Paul can not contradict himself & the holy scriptures by putting up that FRAUD you are trying so hard to sell..

Also, Many Trinitarian Bible translators , For instance Revised Standard Version'& Moffat Bible translations have arrived at the conclusion that Romans 9:5 doesn't support Trinity in any way.

RSV: “to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed forever. Amen.”
Moffatt: “the patriarchs are theirs, and theirs too (so far as natural descent goes) is the Christ. (Blessed for evermore be the God who is over all! Amen.)”

Pls read the screenshot evidence

DappaD:


When Jesus said “his disciples will be ONE just as he[Jesus] and his Father, Jehovah are ONE”, what do you think He meant?
John 17:21-23—verse 22 especially
“I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be ONE just as we are ONE.”
Please can you explain what Jesus meant here?
Were the disciples to form one mishmash of personalities and turn to an unnamed trinity god too?

Or did Jesus say his disciples will be in agreement and united in thought just as he and his Father are?—1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2



Indeed when you know the truth about John 10:30, you'll be set free from all useless religious doctrines.

Maximus69:


I thought you're not bothered by whatever anyone believe so far they claim they're for Jesus?

So you lied!

Jesus is Archangel Michael
Or
Jesus is God

Supposed not to be a cause for alarm since it's the name Jesus either way nah!