gregyboy:
[s]Am still waiting for my answers before you start claiming biase praises,

MinorityOpinion is even is even yoruba lol...

Gregyboy is here to chase the cowards off their lands[/s]

I have answered your dullard questions when I asked that you stop disgracing your family all over Nairaland after the terrible dragging I gave you.

Again, your picture was once on Nairaland, and as such many people would have known both you and your family.

So, stop hiding behind the supposed facelessness on Nairaland to keep disgracing yourself and your innocent family — it is not so faceless for you particularly.

If Oba Ewuare II finally get your time to trace you concerning all your sacrilegious statements against him and his ancestors; it is then you would realize that those OPC he (Ewuare II) recently brought to Benin are not for jokes after all.

TAO11:
I have answered your dullard questions when I asked that you stop disgracing your family all over Nairaland after the terrible dragging I gave you.

Again, your picture was once on Nairaland, and as such many people would have known both you and your family.

So, stop hiding behind the supposed facelessness on Nairaland to keep disgracing yourself and your innocent family — it is not so faceless for you particularly.

If Oba Ewuare II finally get your time to trace you concerning all your sacrilegious statements against him and his ancestors; it is then you would realize that those OPC he (Ewuare II) recently brought to Benin are not for jokes after all.

�� it's always fun to meet with new people

TAO11:
I have answered your dullard questions when I asked that you stop disgracing your family all over Nairaland after the terrible dragging I gave you.

Again, your picture was once on Nairaland, and as such many people would have known both you and your family.

So, stop hiding behind the supposed facelessness on Nairaland to keep disgracing yourself and your innocent family — it is not so faceless for you particularly.

If Oba Ewuare II finally get your time to trace you concerning all your sacrilegious statements against him and his ancestors; it is then you would realize that those OPC he (Ewuare II) recently brought to Benin are not for jokes after all.

The words of a mad woman, are scornful words directed to her husband

I feel your pain am not your husband

Your brothers are so desperate they are now creating monikers identifying as benins to aid you on your lost battle against me....


Am many league ahead of you lots

gregyboy:



The words of a mad woman, is are scornful words directed to her husband

I feel your pain am not your husband

Your brothers are so desperate they are now creating monikers identifying as benins to aid you on your lost battle against me....


Am many league ahead of you lots

haha!!! haba na wa oo take am easy na

Etrusen:



haha!!! haba na wa oo take am easy na

Follow your Yoruba brothers

gregyboy:
[s]The words of a mad woman, are scornful words directed to her husband

I feel your pain am not your husband

Your brothers are so desperate they are now creating monikers identifying as benins to aid you on your lost battle against me....


Am many league ahead of you lots[/s]

At this rate, you risk being banished from Benin by the OPC members brought in recently by the Yoruba-Oba of Benin, Ewuare II.

A long “Y”-shaped stick awaits your neck to banish you and sweep away misfortune from the land.

Shebi you won’t stop disgracing your poor innocent family.

gregyboy:



Tell me my edo brother, which benin research have you done, because the research i see you carried out was on pure oral benin history.....

You believe on the Oduduwa craps right.....

Ok

Ogiso were sky kings which you think their of origin may have been false but you still insisted they ruled, when the name actually says says rulers,

So you mean sky rulers came to rule men and they became mortar and died then oromiyan came to replace them as oba.

You be yoruba man stop pretending as an edo person

Agabado market is the oldest market how did you come to this evidence oral accounts i guess, how do we know the oral account is correct have there been any archeological evidence stating so, or you just want me be to believe in the oral account because it says so, abi

What if ere was called an oba not ogiso,

Is there any tribe who once or still refered to benin as igodomigodo

Because history also made it know that eken who ruled uselu in the early 1800Ad had to be killed by the oba of benin to fully extend his rule to uselu, meaning not all benin were united 200yrs ago not leaving udo behind

Not forgetting

The Europeans also documented that benins believes the ogiso had ruled when they were no sun or moons

So what happened to ogiso and how come the oba in benin

Well, every civilization has some myths. The very smart Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had theirs.
Be it Horus, Amun, Hercules, Romulus or whatever.

In Benin we also knew that kings have some myths that surround them. Just like the golden stool falling from heaven in Ashanti kingdom.

Progenitor of Edo people was a man called Idu. That is the consensus.

He was later deified as "Erimwindu". His shrine is in the Palace.

One of our neighbours the Igbo still call Benin Ndi Idu. Children of Idu.

Idu children become Igodo with many quarters. Various quarters had a senior man or Odionwere. So Odionwere of various quarters became the gerontocratic elders council. A leader of this council became the first Ogiso. So it was initially rotatory upon death of one Ogiso.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero were elders by the time Ogiso changed to hereditary. Maybe Ezomo too. To get support for hereditary Ogisoship, I believe it was Ogiso Ere who offered those elders, his Co leaders hereditary eldership or Odionwere. Later to be called Uzama with others like Eholor Nire, Oloton and crown prince/Edaiken added.

With an oath that Uzama must ensure hereditary obaship and Oba must ensure their children get their inheritance too. To fulfil that oath at Erimwindu, led by the Oliha, the Uzama must crown or at least be present when the Oba is crowned at night. They are among the very very few allowed to be present at coronation.

AreaFada2:

Well, every civilization has some myths. The very smart Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had theirs.
Be it Horus, Amun, Hercules, Romulus or whatever.

In Benin we also knew that kings have some myths that surround them. Just like the golden stool falling from heaven in Ashanti kingdom.

Progenitor of Edo people was a man called Idu. That is the consensus.

He was later deified as "Erimwindu". His shrine is in the Palace.

One of our neighbours the Igbo still call Benin Ndi Idu. Children of Idu.

Idu children become Igodo with many quarters. Various quarters had a senior man or Odionwere. So Odionwere of various quarters became the gerontocratic elders council. A leader of this council became the first Ogiso. So it was initially rotatory upon death of one Ogiso.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero were elders by the time Ogiso changed to hereditary. Maybe Ezomo too. To get support for hereditary Ogisoship, I believe it was Ogiso Ere who offered those elders, his Co leaders hereditary eldership or Odionwere. Later to be called Uzama with others like Eholor Nire, Oloton and crown prince/Edaiken added.

With an oath that Uzama must ensure hereditary obaship and Oba must ensure their children get their inheritance too. To fulfil that oath at Erimwindu, led by the Oliha, the Uzama must crown or at least be present when the Oba is crowned at night. They are among the very very few allowed to be present at coronation.

Lol, you still talk in myth please dont mention me with this rubbish

You can debate TAO11 with it, not me

Am pissed you still think like this i had suspected
Anyway

You guys can debate TAO11 with the myth but dont fucking mention me when you do

gregyboy:



Lol, you still talk in myth please dont mention me with this rubbish

You can debate TAO11 with it, not me

Am pissed you still think like this i had suspected
Anyway

You guys can debate TAO11 with the myth but dont fucking mention me when you do

OK. Put your own version here. Because I grew up in a house with scholars in Edo history. I have mentioned this years ago here already. People who actually write the books. Debunk my version with a better version.

I will also refer you to a young scholar tutored by the best Scholars of Benin history. Among Palace chiefs.
In my case one now a Palace chief and an uzama chief descendant.

I do not care about any other person when writing what I know to be the truth. This is separating facts from fiction. My version is far more real.

Prove that you know it better. I don't mind flying into 9ja to prove it.

AreaFada2:

OK. Put your own version here. Because I grew up in a house with scholars in Edo history. I have mentioned this years ago here already. People who actually write the books. Debunk my version with a better version.

I will also refer you to a young scholar tutored by the best Scholars of Benin history. Among Palace chiefs.
In my case one now a Palace chief and an uzama chief descendant.

I do not care about any other person when writing what I know to be the truth. This is separating facts from fiction. My version is far more real.

Prove that you know it better. I don't mind flying into 9ja to prove it.

You believe sky kings came from sky and ruled edos....

gregyboy:



You believe sky kings came from sky and ruled edos....

Did you even read my post at all?
Where did I say they came from the sky? How do elders from various quarters of Igodo, all descendants of Pa Idu, come from the sky?
At least take your time to read before you comment.
The English have the legend of king Arthur. But they also now know the likely origin of Britannic tribes from DNA. Not to mention English that came from Germany and Denmark to replace the Romance.

But it has not diluted the popularity of Arthur legend even though nobody believes it's true.

AreaFada2:

OK. Put your own version here. Because I grew up in a house with scholars in Edo history. I have mentioned this years ago here already. People who actually write the books. Debunk my version with a better version.

I will also refer you to a young scholar tutored by the best Scholars of Benin history. Among Palace chiefs.
In my case one now a Palace chief and an uzama chief descendant.

I do not care about any other person when writing what I know to be the truth. This is separating facts from fiction. My version is far more real.

Prove that you know it better. I don't mind flying into 9ja to prove it.

Then oduduwa history should be believable by you too because he indeed also came from sky

If we africans can't still separate myth from truth then we will still be producing by government



If the rulers were not referd to ogiso i would probably had believed that there was transition between those rulers to the oba dynasty but for that single reasons they named the rulers ogiso has already singled it out

There is a benin myth we were thought in school
On how the cloud use to be close the earth and was so close to the ground that ine could stretch his hands and touch the clouds snd the clouds grew yams and if you needed to anything just reachout and take the food from the cloud, but it was forbidden not to finish what you took, a woman took yam from the cloud and couldn't finshed it, and the cloud vexed and went up high this is one of the benin myth

Even if you have benin scholars at your reach them telling stories doesn't equate to validity,

No one was present the time d ogiso ruled so when cant validate for anyone as telling a correct history even if from the palace, we can only gather information and draw valid possibilities from history

AreaFada2:

Did you even read my post at all?
Where did I say they came from the sky? How do elders from various quarters of Igodo, all descendants of Pa Idu, come from the sky?
At least take your time to read before you comment.
The English have the legend of king Arthur. But they also now know the likely origin of Britannic tribes from DNA. Not to mention English that came from Germany and Denmark to replace the Romance.

But it has not diluted the popularity of Arthur legend even though nobody believes it's true.

You said the leader became ogiso (sky kings).abi does ogiso have another meaning again or maybe ogiso was the name of the oba


Ermwrwidu you mentioned possibly was an oba
And nothing more

Interesting!

Clash of the lizards.

gregyboy:


You said the leader became ogiso (sky kings).abi does ogiso have another meaning again or maybe ogiso was the name of the oba

Ermwrwidu you mentioned possibly was an obabut have lo
And nothing more

Is this story new to you? If so try to know than dismiss it. I made example that various civilizations introduced myths later along the line. The Asantehene King of Ashanti said himself that the golden stool didn't come from the sky. That some chiefs around Osei Tutu wanted to give him divine right to rule by introducing that myth. I keep citing civilisations because humans do not exist in a vacuum but have lots in common. I was querying stories by the age of 12, surrounded by manuscripts for publication.

Ask yourself this: at what point were original rulers called "ogiso"? Couldn't it have been much later as rulers got more powerful and grew in mystic? We cannot say. But they all had personal names like Igodo, Ere, Obioye, Ediae, Iredia, Ogbomo, Ighido, Efeseke, Odia and so on in no particular other.

Attempt to curry divine right, ridiculous to us today, but quite powerful to ancient superstitious people, is what has muddied the water today. I quoted the literate and quite smart Greco-Roman antiquity having such myths too.

Whatever we think of ogiso today is irrelevant. Fact is the tactic allowed them to get a centralised government that gradually brought order, organisation and civilisation.

TAO11:
Interesting!

Clash of the lizards.

Your fellow worms have fallen asleep in their mothers' beds already, perhaps suckling still. .

At least we are not zombies that follow one way even if it leads into the abyss.

We do not do cover up on tribal basis. Where we believe truth lies we say so, argue it and learn from it.

AreaFada2:

Well, every civilization has some myths. The very smart Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had theirs.
Be it Horus, Amun, Hercules, Romulus or whatever.

In Benin we also knew that kings have some myths that surround them. Just like the golden stool falling from heaven in Ashanti kingdom.

Progenitor of Edo people was a man called Idu. That is the consensus.

He was later deified as "Erimwindu". His shrine is in the Palace.

One of our neighbours the Igbo still call Benin Ndi Idu. Children of Idu.

Idu children become Igodo with many quarters. Various quarters had a senior man or Odionwere. So Odionwere of various quarters became the gerontocratic elders council. A leader of this council became the first Ogiso. So it was initially rotatory upon death of one Ogiso.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero were elders by the time Ogiso changed to hereditary. Maybe Ezomo too. To get support for hereditary Ogisoship, I believe it was Ogiso Ere who offered those elders, his Co leaders hereditary eldership or Odionwere. Later to be called Uzama with others like Eholor Nire, Oloton and crown prince/Edaiken added.

With an oath that Uzama must ensure hereditary obaship and Oba must ensure their children get their inheritance too. To fulfil that oath at Erimwindu, led by the Oliha, the Uzama must crown or at least be present when the Oba is crowned at night. They are among the very very few allowed to be present at coronation.

How did ogiso change to obaship then

If indeed as you illustrated if indeed ogiso existed then they were humans claiming divine royalty but not to forget,

The earliest document from the Europeans recorded on benin describing the ogiso rulers ruling in the time of no sun or moon

The ekaladeran history i believe never had any connections with eweka

But how did the ogiemen treaty come about if indeed ekaladeran story ended at ughoton as stated in 1903

AreaFada2:
[s]Your fellow worms have fallen asleep in their mothers' beds already, perhaps suckling still. .

At least we are not zombies that follow one way even if it leads into the abyss.

We do not do cover up on tribal basis. Where we believe truth lies we say so, argue it and learn from it.[/s]

You weren’t mentioned, neither were you quoted. I’m not then sure why you feel so convinced that you were the lizard.

Actually you’re a maggot. Now face your co-maggot before I open my eyes.

gregyboy:



How did ogiso change to obaship then

If indeed as you illustrated if indeed ogiso existed then they were humans claiming divine royalty but not to forget,

The earliest document from the Europeans recorded on benin describing the ogiso rulers ruling in the time of no sun or moon

The ekaladeran history i believe never had any connections with eweka

But how did the ogiemen treaty come about if indeed ekaladeran story ended at ughoton as stated in 1903

Ogisos were already called Obagodo. I didn't think I should be explaining this again. I have since 2011 here on NL.

Omo n'oba n'Edo. The shining child of Edo.

A French prince used to be called Fils de France. Therefore a precious prince, the hope of ending an interregnum deserved many appellations.

TAO11:
You weren’t mentioned, neither were you quoted. I’m not then sure why you feels so convinced that you were the lizard.

Actually you’re a maggot. Now face your co-maggot before I open my eyes.

Lol. Maggots from your she-male pussy make you see maggots even in your dream.

AreaFada2:
[s]Lol. Maggots from your she-male pussy make you see maggots even in your dream. [/s]

Thanks for acknowledging your name, AreaMaggot.

AreaFada2:


Ogisos were already called Obagodo. I didn't think I should be explaining this again. I have since 2011 here on NL.

Omo n'oba n'Edo. The shining child of Edo.

A French prince used to be called Fils de France. Therefore a precious prince, the hope of ending an interregnum deserved many appellations.

please my brother let make some little correction there I.e the entire ogisos have their own name from one to 31 with the first name igodo that was were the name given the people came from "IGODO MI GODO" which literally means kings gives birth to king.
so please they have their own name each high percent of the ogisos were crown has odionwere form of ogisos then it was almost in form of no primogeniture but the oldest and strongest for the ogiso Emosee is sometimes considerer to be a woman by some historian while some say it was his mother's name he used as his name when he was crowned.
please ogiso is not a myth at all the only part which is really a meant is "Igodo falling from the sky" which then made the people tittle him as ogiso meaning king of the sky.

gregyboy:


Follow your Yoruba brothers

my brother am not a Yoruba man but Edo with 100% asset
I mean no insult na but for us to discuss with respect for each other dignity not insulting anyone online.
if you made a point and the other person is not acknowledging the point please leave him to go with his trouble rather insulting each other.

gregyboy:


You said the leader became ogiso (sky kings).abi does ogiso have another meaning again or maybe ogiso was the name of the oba


Ermwrwidu you mentioned possibly was an oba
And nothing more

Oga ogiso was just in form of Oba title given to any one who is crown but they have their own name added to the Oba e.g Oba Erediauwa and Oba Ewuare are they not two two people entirely ? but they have the "oba" added to their name to show who they are.
that is how it was in ogiso dynasty we have 31 ogisos before oba dynasty among whom are
Ogiso Igodo
ogiso Ere
ogiso Orire and so on.
please I hope this is clear ?

and for that of "erhinmwidu" you said
it is the ancestral alter for the past kings till date handled by the isekhure of Benin.
the erhinmwidu is always regarded as the number Oba of Benin deity because it's the mark of his fathers and father's fathers.
just like the name stands
erhinmwin_spirits
idu_ Edo
but because the Oba is Edo pillar all things revolve round him thats while have names like
obaredo
obarisiagbon
obayangbon
obaradesagbon. etc

please I hope you understand?

gregyboy:


Then oduduwa history should be believable by you too because he indeed also came from sky

If we africans can't still separate myth from truth then we will still be producing by government



If the rulers were not referd to ogiso i would probably had believed that there was transition between those rulers to the oba dynasty but for that single reasons they named the rulers ogiso has already singled it out

There is a benin myth we were thought in school
On how the cloud use to be close the earth and was so close to the ground that ine could stretch his hands and touch the clouds snd the clouds grew yams and if you needed to anything just reachout and take the food from the cloud, but it was forbidden not to finish what you took, a woman took yam from the cloud and couldn't finshed it, and the cloud vexed and went up high this is one of the benin myth

Even if you have benin scholars at your reach them telling stories doesn't equate to validity,

No one was present the time d ogiso ruled so when cant validate for anyone as telling a correct history even if from the palace, we can only gather information and draw valid possibilities from history

Oga I really admire your point that there always myth and there reality.
the only myth in the ogiso history is that igodo came from sky but that doesnt mean the dynasty was not real if you want us to talk about igodos origin, that will totally be a topic big than what we are saying. please I hope you are cleared?
And for your school myth u talked about and of oduduwa, they are mere myth but am not removing the fact that oduduwa could also be true but the yoruba historians have not really come to realize that basing oduduwa origin has falling from sky is something that's not possible and that makes it a total myth. if we should picture it from a biblical angle, the angels that came to fell in love with woman of mankind had winds but no account in oduduwa histry that says he had winds and also the angels and the women of mankind had children that was giants but no account of oduduwa says he was a giant.


so my brother their are one can believe in even when he was not there when it happen but I bet you myths can be easily figured out without a second thought.

one love bro

Etrusen:


Oga ogiso was just in form of Oba title given to any one who is crown but they have their own name added to the Oba e.g Oba Erediauwa and Oba Ewuare are they not two two people entirely ? but they have the "oba" added to their name to show who they are.
that is how it was in ogiso dynasty we have 31 ogisos before oba dynasty among whom are
Ogiso Igodo
ogiso Ere
ogiso Orire and so on.
please I hope this is clear ?

and for that of "erhinmwidu" you said
it is the ancestral alter for the past kings till date handled by the isekhure of Benin.
the erhinmwidu is always regarded as the number Oba of Benin deity because it's the mark of his fathers and father's fathers.
just like the name stands
erhinmwin_spirits
idu_ Edo
but because the Oba is Edo pillar all things revolve round him thats while have names like
obaredo
obarisiagbon
obayangbon
obaradesagbon. etc

please I hope you understand?

Oga go sit down, wetin u dey talk

Ogiso were just normal rulers then oromiyan came to displace them

You're not edo stop pretending


I ask you few questions and you were giv
giving me stories of how lazy you wers to typs, but you type a full page accolding TAO11

Etrusen:



my brother am not a Yoruba man but Edo with 100% asset
I mean no insult na but for us to discuss with respect for each other dignity not insulting anyone online.
if you made a point and the other person is not acknowledging the point please leave him to go with his trouble rather insulting each other.

You be yoruba

Etrusen:


Oga ogiso was just in form of Oba title given to any one who is crown but they have their own name added to the Oba e.g Oba Erediauwa and Oba Ewuare are they not two two people entirely ? but they have the "oba" added to their name to show who they are.
that is how it was in ogiso dynasty we have 31 ogisos before oba dynasty among whom are
Ogiso Igodo
ogiso Ere
ogiso Orire and so on.
please I hope this is clear ?

and for that of "erhinmwidu" you said
it is the ancestral alter for the past kings till date handled by the isekhure of Benin.
the erhinmwidu is always regarded as the number Oba of Benin deity because it's the mark of his fathers and father's fathers.
just like the name stands
erhinmwin_spirits
idu_ Edo
but because the Oba is Edo pillar all things revolve round him thats while have names like
obaredo
obarisiagbon
obayangbon
obaradesagbon. etc

please I hope you understand?

erhinmwidu was an oba not ogiso, i dont know what you guys are aiming with this ogiso issue
Trying to turn myth into truth,


Ogiso never existed our kings were always oba

Benins have so many myth talking about the sky

Ogiso is fucking myth,


Unless you want to give me a tangible reasons why the transition between the ogiso and oba


Dont tell me that Oronmiyan shit if you're to give me any answer

AreaFada2, i am believing this is your second account if indeed he is truly not yoruba

MinorityOpinion:


Bro, just know I follow all your posts, the mod banned me during the "Ogane" thread, for a month but I still read your posts and love the way you strike fear into their heart with the truth.

Lol, bro bawo? Isn't TAO11 a woman?

Etrusen:


Oga ogiso was just in form of Oba title given to any one who is crown but they have their own name added to the Oba e.g Oba Erediauwa and Oba Ewuare are they not two two people entirely ? but they have the "oba" added to their name to show who they are.
that is how it was in ogiso dynasty we have 31 ogisos before oba dynasty among whom are
Ogiso Igodo
ogiso Ere
ogiso Orire and so on.
please I hope this is clear ?

and for that of "erhinmwidu" you said
it is the ancestral alter for the past kings till date handled by the isekhure of Benin.
the erhinmwidu is always regarded as the number Oba of Benin deity because it's the mark of his fathers and father's fathers.
just like the name stands
erhinmwin_spirits
idu_ Edo
but because the Oba is Edo pillar all things revolve round him thats while have names like
obaredo
obarisiagbon
obayangbon
obaradesagbon. etc

please I hope you understand?

I am trying to understand what the argument is.

We always had obagodo. But Idu was the progenitor of Edo race. So both Obagodo/Ogiso, omonoba n'Edo and shortened form Oba and aboriginal Benin origin people descend from Idu.

So whatever name his descendants later became known by, he is their ancestor and rightly so that earliest Oba godo or Ogiso or Oba rightly had an ancestral shrine dedicated to him. Even families have own ancestral shrines with family ukhure unless those forming holier than the pope.

Our history is not dictated by others and we are not here to impress outsiders but portray it as accurately as learned traditional and modern researchers can honestly decipher.

AreaMaggot, I can see you’re warming up to chip in a bogus lie about “Ogiso” vs. “Oba” just to save-face.

But in the meantime, I will lie in wait with my ambush for you.

AreaFada2:

I am trying to understand what the argument is.

We always had obagodo. But Idu was the progenitor of Edo race. So both Obagodo/Ogiso, omonoba n'Edo and shortened form Oba and aboriginal Benin origin people descend from Idu.

So whatever name his descendants later became known by, he is their ancestor and rightly so that earliest Oba godo or Ogiso or Oba rightly had an ancestral shrine dedicated to him. Even families have own ancestral shrines with family ukhure unless those forming holier than the pope.

Our history is not dictated by others and we are not here to impress outsiders but portray it as accurately as learned traditional and modern researchers can honestly decipher.

you are absolutely right my brother but gregyboy is not understanding those facts