Olu317:

.....then show through modern Roman-Latin version of Arabic letters, to support your postulation.

Applying the simple logic, Africa predates Asia and Europe, Yoruba predates both Arabic and Latin.

Latin predates Hebrew.

It’s in my understanding that I’ve made this point in the past, the Nile Valley civilisation comprised of various African ethnicities, one can easily show with precision through our languages, presence in the Kemit/Kush dialect.

Yet the same cannot logically apply the other way around.

As in, for instance, one cannot possibly show through Latin version of Arabic or any other non-African language how an African language influences influence, based on the mere fact that the African language is here first.

It’s simply an impossibility for a language that didn’t exist at the time of our languages inceptions to then be asked to have such an influence.

Amujale:


Applying the simple logic, Africa predates Asia and Europe, Yoruba predates both Arabic and Latin.

Latin predates Hebrew.

It’s in my understanding that I’ve made this point in the past, the Nile Valley civilisation comprised of various African ethnicities, one can easily show with precision through our languages, presence in the Kemit/Kush dialect.

Yet the same cannot logically apply the other way around.

As in, for instance, one cannot possibly show through Latin version of Arabic or any other non-African language how an African language influences, influence, based on the mere fact that the African language is here first.

It’s simply an impossibility for a language that didn’t exist at the time of our languages inceptions to then be asked to have such an influence.

Since you are using logic then your opinion simply yours. Rather than logic Yoruba is one of the oldest language on earth which developed in Near East. Perhaps, it will also surprise you that Sésé is cognate with Sesame as you argued Ì-ṣèju,which means blink or wink. So kindly verify Sésé ; rich beans like nutritious oilseed known in English as Sesame.

Interestingly Africa's (Sub Sahara ) animals reared among Nothern Nigeria are bigger than the Yorubas or Southern Nigeria ,even unto Near East or Asian animals.So ,it is important to inform you that many of those cognates between coptic Egyptians and Yorubas have posted by in Hebrew and Yoruba thread.

My question: How are these things possible for these things ?

Amujale:


The Hebrew alphabet was invented in the 1800’s.




The oldest Hebrew manuscript was written in and around the 1800’s.

Authors of these collections includes a Professor in Arabic - Abraham Whelock commonly known as the Arabist, Thomas van Erpe’s, commonly known as Epenius, Isaac Faraji, commonly known as Pragi,
Richard Holdsworth, Henry Lucas, Edmund Castell, Claudius Buchanan e.t.c

Most historians agree that there’s are no genuine Hebrew manuscripts that predate those of the above authors and that the fact that they are proven to be written by real people doesn’t by any means validate the rhetoric that they were peddling.

As in, similar to all the other Abrahamic religious text, they were peddling a false representation of history.

If you call Hebrew inscription as fraud , then you are not fit to engage me .

#Modified#

Cheers

Olu317:

Interestingly Africa's (Sub Sahara )..,,

Even though I don’t subscribe to the point you was attempting here, kindly use ‘South of the Sahara’, opposed to ‘Sub Sahara’, the communities ‘South of the Sahara’ aren’t “sub” to anyone or anything and that includes the ‘Sahara’.

The term ‘sub Sahara’ denotes a false impression and not only is it an absurd terminology to assign, it’s as well a viscous and malicious insinuation.

If anything, the current stock of North Africans are the one’s who can be seen as being ‘sub Sahara’ and never the communities ‘South of the Sahara’.

Olu317:
...below screenshot discovered in Egypt are strange language to Egyptians...

That is mainly due to the fact that the current stock of Egyptians aren’t originally from that region, they are the descendants of olden day invaders.

It’s seem you aren’t aware of the history of that region or the historical significance of the demographics.

The current stock of Egyptians are originally from Asia and Europe and have no relation to the people of Kemit.

Amujale:


Even though I don’t subscribe to the point you was attempting here, kindly use ‘South of the Sahara’, opposed to ‘Sub Sahara’, the communities ‘South of the Sahara’ aren’t “sub” to anyone or anything and that includes the ‘Sahara’.

The term ‘sub Sahara’ denotes a false impression and not only is it an absurd terminology to assign, it’s as well a viscous and malicious insinuation.

If anything, the current stock of North Africans are the one’s who can be seen as being ‘sub Sahara’ and never the communities ‘South of the Sahara’.

What's the point you're driving at ? I dont understand because Subsahara encompass the below screenshot.It, is acandid advise to you know more about Africa than tbe way you see it.The subsahara Africa you seek.

Amujale:


That is mainly due to the fact that the current stock of Egyptians aren’t originally from that region, they are the descendants of olden day invaders.

It’s seem you aren’t aware of the history of that region or the historical significance of the demographics.

The current stock of Egyptians are originally from Asia and Europe and have no relation to the people of Kemit.

Are even aware that the Arab invaders do not fall within the era I had emphasise? Not interested my dear. Enjoy your thread.

Amujale:


That is mainly due to the fact that the current stock of Egyptians aren’t originally from that region, they are the descendants of olden day invaders.

It’s seem you aren’t aware of the history of that region or the historical significance of the demographics.

The current stock of Egyptians are originally from Asia and Europe and have no relation to the people of Kemit.

I have never mentioned Arab invaders tbecause they did came last to Egypt.Besides,these group do not fall within the era I had emphasise.If you claim or suggest that I dont have kowledge of demography of North Africa,then you're a joke.

Sncerely, I shall commend your effort once you identify the name yoruba ancestors bore in Egypt Nile.


Cheers

Olu317:
I have never mentioned Arab invaders tbecause they did came last to Egypt.Besides,these group do not fall within the era I had emphasise.If you claim or suggest that I dont have kowledge of demography of North Africa,then you're a joke.

You’re the joke.

Instead of you to learn from the thread, oh! wait, did I say learn?

It seems I forgot that you seem to be incapable of learning.

Even with that said, you’re wrong about the Arabs being the last, they weren’t the last invaders, Europeans were.

Infact, the Arabs were amongst the first invaders of North Africa, the Maghreb.

They tried to invade Kemit but failed on numerous occasions.

That however didn’t stop them from actually mounting expeditions of organised robbery.

The first people to engage in tomb robbery were the Arabs.

The first ever raider of the Giza Complex was an Arab, he was the one who came across a great lion-like monument and wasn’t equipped with the correct tools to unravel the Great Sphinx, and so he forged two tablets and scribbled some inscription on both, took one home claiming he had found Solomon’s temple and buried the other next to the Great Sphinx (he didn’t know it was the Sphinx.

It wasn’t until the French got to that site that they dug it up and sacked the area of gadgets and treasures.

At the dead of night whilst the original Egyptians were sleeping, the Arabs would sneak into Giza and begin to rob the pyramid. The first expeditionary actually drilled into the sewage system in order to gain entrance into the giant structure and found countless amount of scientific gadgets and treasure in the inner section of the pyramid.

That was what got the ball rolling and they eventually got the words to the Persians, Greeks, other Arabs and other Europeans.

The piece of slab that you posted doesn’t substantiate anything.


Check below:

That’s how you substantiate evidence, as in, that proves that prior to the construction of the Suez Canal, Africans used to travel to and fro Heliopolis and the Levant as a standard journey.

Amujale:


You’re the joke.

Instead of you to learn from the thread, oh! wait, did I say learn?

It seems I forgot that you seem to be incapable of learning.

Even with that said, you’re wrong about the Arabs being the last, they weren’t the last invaders, Europeans were.

Infact, the Arabs were amongst the first invaders of North Africa, the Maghreb.

They tried to invade Kemit but failed on numerous occasions.

That however didn’t stop them from actually mounting expeditions of organised robbery.

The first people to engage in tomb robbery were the Arabs.

The first ever raider of the Giza Complex was an Arab, he was the one who came across a great lion-like monument and wasn’t equipped with the correct tools to unravel the Great Sphinx, and so he forged two tablets and scribbled some inscription on both, took one home claiming he had found Solomon’s temple and buried the other next to the Great Sphinx (he didn’t know it was the Sphinx.

It wasn’t until the French got to that site that they dug it up and sacked the area of gadgets and treasures.

At the dead of night whilst the original Egyptians were sleeping, the Arabs would sneak into Giza and begin to rob the pyramid. The first expeditionary actually drilled into the sewage system in order to gain entrance into the giant structure and found countless amount of scientific gadgets and treasure in the inner section of the pyramid.

That was what got the ball rolling and they eventually got the words to the Persians, Greeks, other Arabs and other Europeans.

The piece of slab that you posted doesn’t substantiate anything.


Check below:

That’s how you substantiate evidence, as in, that proves that prior to the construction of the Suez Canal, Africans used to travel to and fro Heliopolis and the Levant as a standard journey.

I am not mistaken of mentioning Arabs as the last conquest of Egypt during ancient times but if you are reffering to 1875s historical account that has nothing to do with ancient world is at your own peril . Please, I am not interested in this diversion. Kindly provide the location where yoruba existed in Egypt and the ethnic group's identity; name yoruba bore.

Furthermore, I know about the Europeans conquest and scramble for African lands and partioniong.Perhaps,this thread of yours may survive if you have quantifiable information.

Olu317:
I am not mistaken of mentioning Arabs as the last conquest of Egypt during ancient times but if you are reffering to 1875s historical account that has nothing to do with ancient world...

You are wrong.

Are you actually reading my response.

The Arabs were one of the first invaders of Northern Africa and were never the last during any of the significant periods.

Olu317:
Are even aware that the Arab invaders do not fall within the era I had emphasise?

What era is that?

What is the timeline you attempt to emphasise?

The people from the Mediterranean (that includes Arabs) invaded North Africa before Europeans did.

There are two major Arabian epochs, the pre-Islamic one and the post-Islamic or the Islamic one.

Answer this question.

From which continent does the original people of Northern Africa belong, Africa, Asia or Europe?

When was the first invasion of Northern Africa, and from where did that occur?

Olu317:
Please, I am not interested in this diversion. Kindly provide the location where yoruba existed in Egypt and the ethnic group's identity; name yoruba bore.

Again, you seem confused about what the thread is about, as you’re engrossed in your fake Hebrew agenda.

This will be the last time I remind you of what the thread is saying here, the next time you bring such inconsistencies it will simply be ignored.

You think you’re making a point but you aren’t as anyone who takes the care to read will know that findings are based on linguistic similarities.

What are you arguing against?

Assuming you aren’t engaging with the proof presented here, then, you can simply jog along.

Olu317:
What's the point you're driving at ? I dont understand..,

I thought as much, you didn’t get my previous response.

Stop using the term ‘sub-Sahara’ it is wrong, absurd and is a vicious insinuation.

Use the correct term ‘South of the Sahara’.

Comprende ?

Now you understand, or No?

Amujale:


I thought as much, you didn’t get my previous response.

Stop using the term ‘sub-Sahara’ it is wrong, absurd and is a vicious insinuation.

Use the correct term ‘South of the Sahara’.

Comprende ?

Now you understand, or No?

Oh I see . Suddenly, you have become an instructor on English language and not Yoruba's anymore. Stay focus on your thread and stop diversion. Below screenshot dictionary dont lie. Stop quoting me, unless you have something sensible to posit. Meanwhile,it is either sub saharan Africa or Africa south of Sahara . Wonders shall never end.Olodo játíjátí. Nonsense.

Amujale:


I wouldnt be too certain.

These have been verified by various modern historians.

The tribal marks looks like thise of Kanuris or tivs/Nupe. The similar tribal Mark's of the Yorubas are parallel and not diagonal like the ones in the picture above.

Olu317:
I disagree over the mark on the two screenshot of yours because, the people that Yoruba met are actually linked with the scarification you showed. If you have come across some Hausa group as I have , you will understand my point. The newer group that populate Yoruba land didn't wear scarification,unless if Ifaodu dictates on “Abiku".

And it is seen in my own lineage as well that scarification dont exist unless Ifaodu sagy such .In fact, there is a terracotta head in the museum to that effect that was found which a close link to Yagba but that mark is of Hausa origin. I am also familair with Oyo history as you do because, an account claimed though “myth" that Sango was the pioneer of scarification which was borne out the mark he told his servant to impress on another , after the Former failed on a task. And on seeing it, Sango liked and commanded to be scarified.

Furthermore, it can also be affirmed that Oyo's pioneer kingly matrilineal lineage was Nupe bloodline . So, it is understandable but such mark is alien to the real scarification Yoruba language speakers have on their face.

On the Yoruba settlement pattern, is actually based homogeneous style with a form of coordinator structure,which isn't in the pattern in Northern Nigeria that you posited as a loss of Yoruba lands across Niger. Interestingly, Yoruba establish her settlement based on monarchy system. And without a Baale, Oba, no settlement is ever established in Yoruba history. So, northern part across Niger was not as a place Yoruba did settled down and owned though Yoruba migrants existed and existing in that region, which is on record that some Yoruba went into Borgu after the desert of Oyo when Nupe invaded her before reestablishment of her (Oyo)/on military campaign.

Lastly, Lokoja is a peculiar case entirely because Yoruba did named her and established her own settlement in that place but not the only settlers in that vast land because it is not a homogeneous settlement in that region.Other ethnic groups do lived as well in that region.

This explanation sounds more tenable. Those tribal marks were introduced at some point in the canal of Yoruba civilisation, and it is mainly among the Oyos.

geosegun:


The tribal marks looks like thise of Kanuris or tivs/Nupe. The similar tribal Mark's of the Yorubas are parallel and not diagonal like the ones in the picture above.

Yes, Kanuris/Tivs/Nupe make use of these facial art, however, there are many communities in the Highlands that make use of these same facial art.

Meanwhile, let’s not get dragged into a senseless debate, it’s easier to just appreciate our historians rather than attempt to goad at their sincere research.

I checked out the woman in the caption, she was modelled for the role.

She is a produce trader, and she herself claimed she was from the highlands.

I used the state of being verb since it’s quite possible that she’s alive today.

And trust me, she was said to speak our language fluently.

This is a shout out to the woman in that caption, the photographer who took the shot or the modelling agent, assuming you are alive and are reading our contributions on NL, kindly intervene.

Olu317:
Oh I see . Suddenly, you have become an instructor on English language and not Yoruba's anymore. Stay focus on your thread and stop diversion.

You seem to be the only one on this thread that doesn’t get it.

Olu317:

Below screenshot dictionary dont lie.

What is the meaning of this?

Dictionaries don’t lie, my foot.

The author of the dictionaries you read are bigots.

Yes, authors lie.

What you mean?

Olu317:

Stop quoting me, unless you have something sensible to posit. Meanwhile,it is either sub saharan Africa or Africa south of Sahara . Wonders shall never end.Olodo játíjátí. Nonsense.

A weed calling chlorophyll green.

That quote is aimed directly at yourself.

As in, it’s you that’s the Olodo jatijati around here.

You seem unable to comprehend anything beyond the inaccurate narratives you are peddling about Hebrew and Arabia.

It’s virtually impossible for me to get my point across to you as you’re incapable of learning.

Instead of you to take our advice, investigate the reasoning and arrive at the same conclusion that the term “sub-Sahara” is utterly and completely wrong in this particular context, you instead attempt to justify such crazed terminology by quoting a dictionary authored by apparently what seems to be a bigot.

However, It gladdens me to know that many of us are aware that the correct term is ‘South of the Sahara’.

geosegun:


This explanation sounds more tenable. The tribal marks was introduced at some later point in Yoruba civilisation mainly among we, the Oyos.

I concur.



Cheers

Amujale:


You seem to be the only one on this thread that doesn’t get it.




What is the meaning of this?

Dictionaries don’t lie, my foot.

The author of the dictionaries you read are bigots.

Yes, authors lie.

What you mean?



A weed calling chlorophyll green.

That quote is aimed directly at yourself.

As in, it’s you that’s the Olodo jatijati around here.

You seem unable to comprehend anything beyond the inaccurate narratives you are peddling about Hebrew and Arabia.

It’s virtually impossible for me to get my point across to you as you’re incapable of learning.

Instead of you to take our advice, investigate the reasoning and arrive at the same conclusion that the term “sub-Sahara” is utterly and completely wrong in this particular context, you instead attempt to justify such crazed terminology by quoting a dictionary authored by apparently what seems to be a bigot.

However, It gladdens me to know that many of us are aware that the correct term is ‘South of the Sahara’.

Lol. I know, you do know English language more than Britons, so , I have no reason competing with you because you are their the mainman.

Oh yes! Since you have concrete evidence, about yorubas ancestors ,in Nile inEgypt then,proof it with the names, and identity,they were known. Furthermore,post the era of the BC that seconds became part of world's history's clock. And when iṣẹjú became part of Yoruba world chronology. Best of luck



Cheers.

Olu317:
....
Oh yes! Since you have concrete evidence, about yorubas ancestors ,in Nile inEgypt then,proof it with the names, and identity,they were known. Furthermore,post the era of the BC that seconds became part of world's history's clock. And when iṣẹjú became part of Yoruba world chronology. Best of luck

Cheers.

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

Apparently, you aren’t paying attention. Kindly learn to actually read properly.

Enough of your baseless arguments.

The evidence is right there.

Olu317:
Lol. I know, you do know English language more than Britons...

Meaning?

Your refusal to understand necessary correction isn’t anyone’s fault but yours.

Let me reiterate what was said earlier.

The term “sub Sahara” is WRONG, absurd and is a vicious insinuation.

‘sub’ in that context is a prefix that implies that something or someone is subordinate to someone or something other.

Now read,

‘sub’ is a vicious prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin (subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” (subalpine; substratum), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” (subcolumnar; subtropical), “secondary,” “subordinate” ...

Kindly make use of the correct term ‘South of the Sahara’ when attempting to refer to the communities of these regions.

It’s pretty straightforward.

Amujale:




Apparently, you aren’t paying attention. Kindly learn to actually read properly.

Enough of your baseless arguments.

The evidence is right there.

Smiles! Well,nothing you provided on this thread of yours that I had not posted in Yoruba and Hebrew andother thread over two or more than a year ago.So do better than the sources I am familiar with because, I posted words that arent in your sources that I scooped it elsewhwere before you andstillpostedsomeofthese Coptic Egyptian's & Yoruba language cognates.

This alone clearly differentiate us with our intenton. Practically, my personality is multifaceted with a whole lot of energy being channelled to political scene to achieve my set goal though.Thus,I am not a e-warrior or online 'Voltron' or a cheap popularity seeker as some of you do at every point in time but a reseacher with a purpose,who shares less than 1% of his researched work with the recepients on this forum. #Fact#



Cheers,

Amujale:


Meaning?

Your refusal to understand necessary correction isn’t anyone’s fault but yours.

Let me reiterate what was said earlier.

The term “sub Sahara” is WRONG, absurd and is a vicious insinuation.

‘sub’ in that context is a prefix that implies that something or someone is subordinate to someone or something other.

Now read,

‘sub’ is a vicious prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin (subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” (subalpine; substratum), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” (subcolumnar; subtropical), “secondary,” “subordinate” ...

Kindly make use of the correct term ‘South of the Sahara’ when attempting to refer to the communities of these regions.

It’s pretty straightforward.

Rhetorics as usual . Do you and your likeminds know English language more than dictionaries and wikipeadia ?
Lol, Sérieusement, tu es un obèse de mentir

Olu317:
Smiles! Well,nothing you provided on this thread of yours that I had not posted in Yoruba and Hebrew andother thread over two or more than a year ago...

Really?

Dude stop lying.

There's nothing on this thread that shares any resemblance to that of yours.


Can you provide us with one single quote from your thread that has a shred of resemblance to here.

Dude, assuming you have nothing sensible to add to the thread, simply keep it moving.

Olu317:
Rhetorics as usual....
Lol, Sérieusement, tu es un obèse de mentir...

Dude you're still continuing with your senseless and baseless argument?

Vous êtes le mec menteur. Arrête de mentir.

Arrêtez d'essayer de faire dérailler ce fil avec vos mensonges.

You can jog along now.

Go and troll elsewhere.

Amujale:


Really?

Dude stop lying.

There's nothing on this thread that shares any resemblance to that of yours.


Can you provide us with one single quote from your thread that has a shred of resemblance to here.

Dude, assuming you have nothing sensible to add to the thread, simply keep it moving.

Ask your mentor Macof, if he hadnt tried to wrongfully correct one out of the post You are a serial joke. I am not interested in this your egocentrism.

Instead,channel your energy to proving the identity the Yoruba ancestors bore in Egypt. This ought be your worry as an academic that you claimed. As simple as ABC,showcase Yoruba identity in Egypt,since I am a novice according to your concept .



Cheers,


Ẹlù

Olu317:
.....

What kind of inconsequential response is that

You made a false claim and got called out and instead of acknowledging that, you instead veer of on to a meaningless tangent that’s leading to nowhere.

What is it that you don’t understand?

You seem to have a comprehension issue.

What is your contention?

You aren’t aware, are you?

I put it to you that you don’t have any justifiable contention on the content of the thread and are simply pulling what can only be described as a juvenile tantrum.

You aren’t making much sense, response is empty and wholly false; assuming you simply take the time to read previous post you’d know this analysis to be a factual one.

It’s the equivalent of a juvenile that is throwing a tantrum whilst asking a tutor what is one plus one and the tutor points to a predetermined workings on a piece of paper that states ‘one plus one, equals two’.

And the juvenile throwing a tantrum response is to refuse to READ the workings on the piece of paper and instead chooses to go back to the same question, ‘what is one plus one’?

That’s what is known as ‘going round and round in circles’, such a person will tend to end up at the same point that they began.

How can such a person learn?

Such a person will be said to have learning difficulty.

Wonder where we’ve heard that in the past?

Amujale:



What kind of inconsequential response is that

You made a false claim and got called out and instead of acknowledging that, you instead veer of on to a meaningless tangent that’s leading to nowhere.

What is it that you don’t understand?

You seem to have a comprehension issue.

What is your contention?

You aren’t aware, are you?

I put it to you that you don’t have any justifiable contention on the content of the thread and are simply pulling what can only be described as a juvenile tantrum.

You aren’t making much sense, response is empty and wholly false; assuming you simply take the time to read previous post you’d know this analysis to be a factual one.

It’s the equivalent of a juvenile that is throwing a tantrum whilst asking a tutor what is one plus one and the tutor points to a predetermined workings on a piece of paper that states ‘one plus one, equals two’.

And the juvenile throwing a tantrum response is to refuse to READ the workings on the piece of paper and instead chooses to go back to the same question, ‘what is one plus one’?

That’s what is known as ‘going round and round in circles’, such a person will tend to end up at the same point that they began.

How can such a person learn?

Such a person will be said to have learning difficulty.

Wonder where we’ve heard that in the past?

This is not a poliical thread ,so I desist from responding psuedo scholar as you seem to be. After all, you have overflogged Sub Saharan,which I posted with online dictionary but your ignorance alongside your lair dehydrated intellectuals, who fall within your poor English knowledge.

AS far as I am concerned your supporters are also waiting to laugh at you over your Egyptians footprints in Egypt.Therefore the reality is that you have no one on this platform to move along your direction, which you intended to proof yorubas identity in Egypt. If you are so sure,let others and I learn from your wealth of experiement.

Olu317:
...... If you are so sure,let others and I learn from your wealth of experiement.

Those of us that are capable of learning, are already.

You, learn? You and learning dont go together dude. Stop it!

Stop deceiving yourself, you've learning difficulties. It doesnt take an educationist to realise that you seem to have developed an allergy to accepting factual evidence.

You are proving to those who wasnt aware already that you've learning difficulties.

Dude stop trying to derail the thread with your falsehood and kindly go and troll elsewhere.