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MaxInDHouse:
They just feel like arguing fruitlessly and they are expecting JWs to come playing hide and seek with them!

Like I said sir, gone are the days of "trying to prove a point". The strength to argue is no more, all there is now is the thirst for essence.

There is just one Almighty God in heaven, humans like Moses and Jesus who walked on earth served as God but after their earthly assignment they returned to their position as lesser beings under the Almighty God.

Yeshua and Moshe were never at any point of their existence equal to Almighty God.

So Jesus a former mighty spirit in heaven came to earth and lived as a mighty God like Moses in the midst of men but died, resurrected and returned to heaven only to sit at the right hand of someone who ordered him to do so.

I'm following...

Yet someone feel like asking intelligent question said
"Jesus returns to heaven as what?"
Sorry he returned as all of the above!

No, no, no! Where has the wisdom of God that ought to be evident in his followers gone?
You were specific and straightforward with Pre-human of Jesus. You were specific and straightforward with Jesus' life on earth.
If it be the same wisdom that speaketh for the pre-human and human era, let it also speak for the person of Christ after his earthly ministry.
Max, I so much respect you, but what's this?
You are a witness, speak as a witness! Why dribble around like Maradona? If you won't answer the question you can as well ignore, why this?
Look at what you said
"Sorry, he returned to heaven as all of the above."
Is this scriptural?
Is this Logical?
Is this reasonable?
Is this sensible?
This is your "wackest reply" ever.

Blabbermouth:
I don't care about his prehuman existence, I want post-human existence.
We all know His office is that of the king but that's not what my question is about.

Brooooooo, what's these na?!!!!
I did not ask for prehuman existence nor did I ask for his office in heaven.
Christ Jesus in heaven (after his time on earth of course), what kind of being is he?
A. A God
B. An Angel
C. A man
Just give a succinct A,B, or C answer with a scripture that backs your answer.

Which part of Jesus resuming his position as an archangel don't you understand?(1 Thes 4:16)

I know your trouble is the ‘Angel'

Take it by step..
Simply..
The Hebrew word malkah translated as Angel in English means Son of God
Any spirit creatures that are Son of God in heaven are Angels(Job 1:6)

Ponder on this: Is Jesus as a spirit being in heaven Son of God?

haddeylium:
Which part of Jesus resuming his position as an archangel don't you understand?(1 Thes 4:16)
I know your trouble is the ‘Angel'
Take it by step..
Simply..
The Hebrew word malkah translated as Angel in English means Son of God
Any spirit creatures that are Son of God in heaven are Angels(Job 1:6)

Are we playing with words now?
When I say angel, I'm not talking about a messenger or some emissary. We both know I am talking about pure angelic creatures, the likes of - Gabriel, Michael and co.

In summary, is this your answer?
Haddeylium: Christ Jesus in heaven (after resurrection of course) is an angelic being/ creature, just like Gabriel.

If that's your answer, give a scripture that proves your answer to be biblical and not something puffed up from the mind.

Ken4Christ:
You don't have the capacity to receive the truth of God's word. You must be born again to understand God's word. God's word is not received by logical reasonings.

Last bullet when they can't talk anymore,no dey lie na, proverb 2:11 talks about using discretion, thinking ability.


Now use God's word to answer the question you were asked.

Blabbermouth:
Like I said sir, gone are the days of "trying to prove a point". The strength to argue is no more, all there is now is the thirst for essence.

Yeshua and Moshe were never at any point of their existence equal to Almighty God.

I'm following...

No, no, no! Where has the wisdom of God that ought to be evident in his followers gone?
You were specific and straightforward with Pre-human of Jesus. You were specific and straightforward with Jesus' life on earth.
If it be the same wisdom that speaketh for the pre-human and human era, let it also speak for the person of Christ after his earthly ministry.
Max, I so much respect you, but what's this?
You are a witness, speak as a witness! Why dribble around like Maradona? If you won't answer the question you can as well ignore, why this?
Look at what you said
"Sorry, he returned to heaven as all of the above."
Is this scriptural?
Is this Logical?
Is this reasonable?
Is this sensible?
This is your "wackest reply" ever.

Sorry Sir, Mama said i shouldn't engage you anymore, so i'm just playing the hide and seek stuff that those who respect the commentator but despises the source of the commentator's wisdom loves!
You don't need my response because it's not mine, whatever you here Maximus say is from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses![/b]

So just say you want to learn from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and Maximus will divulge what the GB infused in his head!

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Sir, Mama said i shouldn't engage you anymore, so i'm just playing the hide and seek stuff that those who respect the commentator but despises the source of the commentator's wisdom loves!

Smiles... None of the "respect" has anything to do (directly or indirectly) with the sect you've pledged your allegiance to.

You don't need my response because it's not mine, whatever you here Maximus say is from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses![/b]

I never asked for yours, I'm only interested in haddeylium's and janosky's.

So just say you want to learn from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and Maximus will divulge what the GB infused in his head!

No, your organization cannot teach me anything. Yea, no organization can!
I have a master already, only His voice I hear.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Sir, Mama said i shouldn't engage you anymore, so i'm just playing the hide and seek stuff that those who respect the commentator but despises the source of the commentator's wisdom loves!
You don't need my response because it's not mine, whatever you here Maximus say is from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses![/b]

So just say you want to learn from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and Maximus will divulge what the GB infused in his head!

But he respects you a lot!

Blabbermouth:
Smiles... None of the "respect" has anything to do (directly or indirectly) with the sect you've pledged your allegiance to.

I never asked for yours, I'm only interested in haddeylium's and janosky's.

No, your organization cannot teach me anything. Yea, no organization can!
I have a master already, only His voice I hear.

Great!

No JW will say anything short of what the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses teaches {John 14:26}, hence we all have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} as we're of one body {John 17 21-23} because we're of one Lord, one faith, one baptism!! Ephesians 4:5
So if you're not interested in what the spirit of oneness is teaching the obedient ones, then let's continue with the hide and seek!

AkinwaleJJ:
Great!

No JW will say anything short of what the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses teaches {John 14:26}, hence we all have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} as we're of one body {John 17 21-23} because we're of one Lord, one faith, one baptism!! Ephesians 4:5
So if you're not interested in what the spirit of oneness is teaching the obedient ones, then let's continue with the hide and seek!

Na so o Màmá Ajérìí, please explain maybe he'll understand through the utterances of a caring mother!

AkinwaleJJ:
Great!

No JW will say anything short of what the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses teaches {John 14:26}, hence we all have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} as we're of one body {John 17 21-23} because we're of one Lord, one faith, one baptism!! Ephesians 4:5
So if you're not interested in what the spirit of oneness is teaching the obedient ones, then let's continue with the hide and seek!

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I'm out to get my own copy of the NWT, tell haddeylium and janosky (in case you meet them by the way)- I will be back!
PS: Haddey my beloved just called the ressurected Jesus an angelic creature, let's see if there is such scriptural proof in the NWT.

Blabbermouth:

Are we playing with words now?
When I say angel, I'm not talking about a messenger or some emissary. We both know I am talking about pure angelic creatures, the likes of - Gabriel, Michael and co.
In summary, is this your answer?
Haddeylium: Christ Jesus in heaven (after resurrection of course) is an angelic being/ creature, just like Gabriel.
If that's your answer, give a scripture that proves your answer to be biblical and not something puffed up from the mind.

Looking at this from another angle—there is every indication that the angel at Revelation 20:1 is Jesus Christ because he(Jesus) was the promised Seed who would crush the head of the serpent(Genesis 3:15) thereby bringing “to nothing, the one(Satan) having the means to cause death”(Hebrews 2:14) in the “lake of fire” meaning the “second death”. (Revelation 20:10,14)

Remembering that Revelation 20:1 mentions that the angel has “the key of the abyss” to imprison Satan and his demons, we cast out mind back to Revelation 1:18 that mentions Jesus has “the keys of death and of the Grave” . This “abyss” being boundless and a place of restrainment includes the Grave but is not limited to it.

To further buttress the point that the “angel” in Revelation 20:1 having the “keys of the abyss” is Jesus, we also take our mind back to his time on earth. During Jesus' earthly ministry, the demons who possessed a man, “kept pleading with him(Jesus) not to order them(the demons) to go away into the abyss” (Luke 8:30-31) which shows that they knew Jesus had the authority to confine the demons(fallen angels) in an abyss—Revelation 20:1-3

I don't know if what I've said would make sense to you that much for now—which is why haddeylium advised you to meet any JWs in your area to have a sitdown discussion. If you have any other questions, please visit jw.org

DappaD:
Looking at this from another angle—there is every indication that the angel at Revelation 20:1 is Jesus Christ because he(Jesus) was the promised Seed who would crush the head of the serpent(Genesis 3:15) thereby bringing “to nothing, the one(Satan) having the means to cause death”(Hebrews 2:14) in the “lake of fire” meaning the “second death”. (Revelation 20:10,14)

Remembering that Revelation 20:1 mentions that the angel has “the key of the abyss” to imprison Satan and his demons, we cast out mind back to Revelation 1:18 that mentions Jesus has “the keys of death and of the Grave” . This “abyss” being boundless and a place of restrainment includes the Grave but is not limited to it.

To further buttress the point that the “angel” in Revelation 20:1 having the “keys of the abyss” is Jesus, we also take our mind back to his time on earth. During Jesus' earthly ministry, the demons who possessed a man, “kept pleading with him(Jesus) not to order them(the demons) to go away into the abyss” (Luke 8:30-31) which shows that they knew Jesus had the authority to confine the demons(fallen angels) in an abyss—Revelation 20:1-3

I don't know if what I've said would make sense to you that much for now—which is why haddeylium advised you to meet any JWs in your area to have a sitdown discussion. If you have any other questions, please visit jw.org

I love this new robe you put on. Your comments are essence-focused and no longer the argument-minded format most of us (+ JW, the few Jews and Muslims) use to communicate.
I will modify DappaD, look into your proposition above and give my reply. Brb in a jiffy.

Barristter07:
It is written : " Like the heavenly one (Jesus ) so too are those who are heavenly. "
To claim Jesus ressurected as fleshly human is to say all those living in heaven have flesh and bones.
Do you see the error in your ideas ?

To claim Jesus ressurected as spirit being
means saints and sinners are going to be resurrected as spirit beings.

KNOWMORE56:
To claim Jesus ressurected as spirit being
means saints and sinners are going to be resurrected as spirit beings.

You see beloved, the safe haven of anyone who believes Christ never resurrected bodily is the word or term "spirit being".
Why?
There are different beings with spirit
1. God (Jesus said "God is SPIRIT)
2. Angels (Who makes his angels SPIRIT)
3. Man (Numerous biblical verses for this)

So, if anyone will say " Christ Jesus ressurected as a spirit being " , such person is technically et scripturally right.
Why?
For Christ Jesus truly ressurected as one of these spirit beings; A God, An Angel or A man.
We will talk about the kind of body (if any) he rose up with later, the most deciding truth needed is - What kind of being is Christ Jesus in heaven (after ressurection of course)?

Barristter07:
Last bullet when they can't talk anymore,no dey lie na, proverb 2:11 talks about using discretion, thinking ability.


Now use God's word to answer the question you were asked.

Even the Bible confirms it;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

MaxInDHouse:
See confusion!

When we told you that you guys are deluded, you'll flare up to argue blindly.
If you go by the highlighted, was Thomas born again when Jesus presented a materialised body with wounds to make him (Thomas) believe in the resurrection of the Christ?

Is it not after they became Born Again that Paul later understood that Jesus resurrected as a spirit?

Walahi Talahi you guys are clowns!

Well you're partially right, only born again Christians can grasp these sacred secrets, that's why Jesus said to (his yet to become Born Again) followers "I still have many things to tell you but you can't grasp them now, but However when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all the truth" {John 16:12-13} So how do you now depend on what Jesus used to convince those who can't understand this sacred secrets to judge the truth?
Funny religionsists!

The first step is to be born again. The second step is you receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

DappaD:
It so happens that Jesus Christ was a man of logic. (Matthew 22:41-46) all that, together with his illustrations showed his use of logic.—Mark 4:34

How can logic explain how he walked on water? How can logic explain how he gave sight to the blind? How can logic explain how he ascended to heaven without an aircraft? God's word supercedes logic and logic can't grasp the truth of God's word. Hence Apostle Paul wrote;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Oh dear, we will dabble into error and a lot of misdoctrinations if we mistake the identity of distinct persons. There is a difference between the supreme commander of the royal forces and the king. A big difference between Buratai and Buhari, or say, the Greyworm and Khaleesi.

DappaD:
Looking at this from another angle—there is every indication that the angel at Revelation 20:1 is Jesus Christ because he(Jesus) was the promised Seed who would crush the head of the serpent(Genesis 3:15) thereby bringing “to nothing, the one(Satan) having the means to cause death”(Hebrews 2:14) in the “lake of fire” meaning the “second death”. (Revelation 20:10,14)

Remembering that Revelation 20:1 mentions that the angel has “the key of the abyss” to imprison Satan and his demons, we cast out mind back to Revelation 1:18 that mentions Jesus has “the keys of death and of the Grave” . This “abyss” being boundless and a place of restrainment includes the Grave but is not limited to it.

To further buttress the point that the “angel” in Revelation 20:1 having the “keys of the abyss” is Jesus, we also take our mind back to his time on earth. During Jesus' earthly ministry, the demons who possessed a man, “kept pleading with him(Jesus) not to order them(the demons) to go away into the abyss” (Luke 8:30-31) which shows that they knew Jesus had the authority to confine the demons(fallen angels) in an abyss—Revelation 20:1-3

Let's journey back to the old testament and see how angels function along with the divine.

Genesis 16:10
"I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude"

Who was speaking? An Angel of the Lord

Who was going to Multiply the seed? GOD!

Exodus 12:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses saying - For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I will execute judgement: I am the LORD.

God said "He will.....". Will God / Did God literally leave his throne in heaven, come/came down to Egypt and smite the firstborn in the land himself? No!

For the scripture said:
23.For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blodd upon the lintel and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come into your house and smite you

Who said He would do the smiting? God!
Did God Leave his throne in heaven to start smiting people on earth, did he LITERALLY do the smiting? No!
An Angel (who Moses called " the destroyer" literally did it.

We can go on and on, with the account of Moses encountering an angel of the lord in a burning bush (yet the angel's voice never gave a second person kind of speech, He spoke as God!). Yea, we can speak of How God by his Mighty hands deliver Hezekiah, yet it was not God who literally went about smiting the 185,000. Who did? An angel of the LORD.

Dappa my beloved, what shall we then say? God is an angel? God forbid!
Is it not for this purpose amidst others that God created angels? That they be envoys, emmisarries, messengers, loyalists, carrying out the will of God in no other name but His!

For what is done in my name is done as though It were me, it is done in my (literal) stead.

What shall we then say? That the angels who have been subjected to the authority of Christ do not have his name in them?

For the scripture testifieth of this truth - And they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death.

What shall we say then, that the whole legion of angels (since they did the literal battle fighting and overcoming) are all a legion-ity of Christ? Nay.
Christ cannot be an angelic creature because ..... (Will fill in the blanks later)

I don't know if what I've said would make sense to you that much for now—which is why haddeylium advised you to meet any JWs in your area to have a sitdown discussion. If you have any other questions, please visit jw.org

I enjoyed your write up DappaD.

Blabbermouth:

Oh dear, we will dabble into error and a lot of misdoctrinations if we mistake the identity of distinct persons. There is a difference between the supreme commander of the royal forces and the king. A big difference between Buratai and Buhari, or say, the Greyworm and Khaleesi.
Let's journey back to the old testament and see how angels function along with the divine.
Genesis 16:10
"I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude"
Who was speaking?[/b]An Angel of the Lord
[b]Who was going to Multiply the seed? GOD!
Exodus 12:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses saying - For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I will execute judgement: I am the LORD.
God said "He will.....". Will God / Did God literally leave his throne in heaven, come/came down to Egypt and smite the firstborn in the land himself? No!
For the scripture said:
23.For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blodd upon the lintel and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come into your house and smite you
Who said He would do the smiting? God!
Did God Leave his throne in heaven to start smiting people on earth, did he LITERALLY do the smiting? No! An Angel (who Moses called " the destroyer" literally did it.
We can go on and on, with the account of Moses encountering an angel of the lord in a burning bush (yet the angel's voice never gave a second person kind of speech, He spoke as God!). Yea, we can speak of How God by his Mighty hands deliver Hezekiah, yet it was not God who literally go about smiting the 185,000. Who did? An angel of the LORD.
Dappa my beloved, what shall we then say? God is an angel? God forbid!
Is it not for this purpose amidst others that God created angels? That they be envoys, emmisarries, loyalists, carrying out the will of God in no other name but His!
For what is done in my name is done as though It were me, it is done in my (literal) stead.
What shall we then say? That the angels who have been subjected to the authority of Christ do not have his name in them?
For the scripture testifieth of this truth - And they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death.
What shall we say then, that the whole legion of angels (since they did the literal battle fighting and overcoming) are all a legion-ity of Christ? Nay.
Christ cannot be an angelic creature because ..... (Will fill in the blanks later)
I enjoyed your write up DappaD.

OK.
But I thought you rejected the doctrine of trinity? I don't think anything in my post suggests I'm talking about Jesus being God.

Ken4Christ:
How can logic explain how he walked on water? How can logic explain how he gave sight to the blind? How can logic explain how he ascended to heaven without an aircraft? God's word supercedes logic and logic can't grasp the truth of God's word. Hence Apostle Paul wrote;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Ok.

DappaD:
OK.
But I thought you rejected the doctrine of trinity? I don't think anything in my post suggests I'm talking about Jesus being God.

That's the mystery of "In the name of..."

We said Abacha, Gadaffi and likes murdered a lot of people during their tenure, did they literally go about killing those people? No!

The killings were done in their name, so we are right to say - Adolf Hitler killed a lot of people during his terror era.

It is not a God-benefit only!

Blabbermouth:

That's the mystery of "In the name of..."


We said Abacha, Gadaffi and likes murdered a lot of people during their tenure, did they literally go about killing those people? No!
The killings were done in their name, so we are right to say - Adolf Hitler killed a lot of people during his terror era.
It is not a God-benefit only!

Were was the highlighted suggested in my post though?

DappaD:
Were was the highlighted suggested in my post though?

In your post, you said it is likely the angel in Rev 20:1 is Christ Jesus.

In my response to you, I exposed how another person/being can do something in the name of a being and such merit or credit is given to the bearer of the name, not the literal doer.
Thus, it is not sufficient to say an angel is Christ because He did something in the name of Christ.

Blabbermouth:


In your post, you said it is likely the angel in Rev 20:1 is Christ Jesus.
In my response to you, I exposed how another person/being can do something in the name of a being and such merit or credit is given to the bearer of the name, not the literal doer.
Thus, it is not sufficient to say an angel is Christ because He did something in the name of Christ.

Wrt the other comparisons you made, it was made clear from context that it was the angel of Jehovah who spoke to humans or carried other assignments.

Since Jesus isn't the true God Jehovah, but rather His subordinate(John 14:28)—then the long awaited fulfillment of the Genesis 3:15 prophecy must be carried out completely by Jesus Christ as he will not step aside for a lower angel to bind Satan into an abyss since it's clear that Jesus possesses that much authority to hold the keys of death and Hades(Rev 1:18) and is the only person recognized by the demons who will bind them in an abyss(Luke 8:30-31)
And also there's nothing from context that suggests that another angel was assigned that task.

I know it may be much to grasp but maybe take it one at a time. But if you still do not agree, then there is no problem and I've done the best I can to help.

Blabbermouth:
Are we playing with words now?
When I say angel, I'm not talking about a messenger or some emissary. We both know I am talking about pure angelic creatures, the likes of - Gabriel, Michael and co.

In summary, is this your answer?
Haddeylium: Christ Jesus in heaven (after resurrection of course) is an angelic being/ creature, just like Gabriel.

If that's your answer, give a scripture that proves your answer to be biblical and not something puffed up from the mind.

If we're to have a discussion...You should answer my questions when I do the same with yours...


If we're to further, we must know what hebrew word mal·ʼakhʹ translated in English as Angel means.
(We can't ignore this part)

mal·ʼakhʹ(Angel) = Son of God/Messengers

These spirit creatures are called 'Son of God' (Angel) as a virtue of being created by God ( ps 36:9)
Jesus is “the beginning of the creation by God.”—Revelation 3:14.
Through Jesus, others are created too (Colossians 1:​13-​17)


Bible calls the angels “sons of the true God.” (Job 1:6)
Bible often called Jesus “the Son of God.” (John 1:49)

If Jesus as a spirit creature is the Son of God, what does that makes him?

Jesus being the only "begotten son of God" held exalted position over others angels as Jehovah's Archangel (1 The )
Not only that, He served as God's word (John 1:1, proverb 8:

DappaD put it clearly. You might want a Witness in your area for further enlightenment

Ken4Christ:
The first step is to be born again. The second step is you receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

So by the time Jesus' few followers stick to his teachings when majority of them left {John 6:66} those 12 has become born again shey?
Yet Jesus later said about those who stick to him "i still have other things that i need to tell you but you can't grasp it all now" are you saying they are born again by then yet they can't grasp the deep things?

Ken4Christ:
The first step is to be born again. The second step is you receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Haa
The one that got me is ”speaking in tougue"
How do you speak in tougue?

MaxInDHouse:
So by the time Jesus' few followers stick to his teachings when majority of them left {John 6:66} those 12 has become born again shey?
Yet Jesus later said about those who stick to him "i still have other things that i need to tell you but you can't grasp it all now" are you saying they are born again by then yet they can't grasp the deep things?

They just feel like reading and understanding the sacred writings instead of humbly learning from the real born again brothers of Christ. The irony of this is parading themselves as born again Christians yet they're not united in thought like those in Bible times. I wonder what they are thinking, can there be unism in thought where there is no submission to a ruling class?

haddeylium:
Haa
The one that got me is ”speaking in tougue"
How do you speak in tougue?

by spewing gibberish out of envy just to feel like they've been blessed with the spirit!

AkinwaleJJ:
by spewing gibberish out of envy just to feel like they've been blessed with the spirit!

of course, it's a blessing of the spirit. Certainly not God's. Demons!

A church nearby hold classes for 'speaking in tongue' ...So hilarious
Someone just have to pity these people

Ken4Christ:
I really wonder why adherents of some religious groups don't use their brains. They just follow without questioning when they have the opportunity to read the Bible for themselves.

In case you are not aware, the Jehovah Witness don't believe in the bodily resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They claimed he resurrected spiritually without his body.

*1)
They said God took his body and since there is no such record in the Bible, it is as good as saying that God stole the body of Jesus. So, they label God as a thief. Read their quote below from their own book; you can live forever in paradise on earth.

'Well, then, what happened to Jesus' fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus' body. Why did God do this? It fullilled what had been written in the Bible. (Psalm 16:lO; Acts 231) Thus Jehovah saw fit to remove Jesus' body, even as he had done before with Moses' body. (Deuteronomy 34.5, 6) Also, if the body had been left in the tomb, Jesus' disciples could not have understood that he had been raised from the dead, not fully appreciate spiritual things.'(Page 144)

In addition, they label Jesus as a trickster. They said Jesus just appeared in a physical body the way Angels do. In other words, he tricked them to believe he was raised in a physical body. Read their quote from the same book;

*2)
But since the apostle Thomas was able to put his hand into the hole in Jesus' side, does that not show that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body that was nailed to the stake? No, for Jesus simply materialized or took on a fleshly body, as angels have done in the past. In order to convince Thomas who he was, he used a body with wound holes. ([/b]Page 145).

Please, humble yourselves and admit you have believed lies all these years. Even a 3 years old child in his right sense won't believe all these lies.

[b]1 Corinthians 3:23 "Jesus Christ belongs to God" ,
Will God thief what belongs to Him?
Your FALSE claim exposed

Acts 2:31
"David was looking into the future and speaking of the Messiah’s resurrection. He was saying that God would not leave him among the dead or allow his body to rot in the grave."

Ken4 , according to your FALSE claim, will God thief what belongs to Him?
1 Corinthians 3:23, says you are LYING .
Pastpreneurs spoon-fed you with JUNK.

Acts 2:31, what did God do after Jesus death ?
Ishi akun. .


*2)
When you,Ken4 see John 21:4, John 20:14-15 Luke 24:16,31,36, Jesus body had no scars,Did you not confess on this thread that Jesus used the body with scars for evidence to prove to Thomas?

haddeylium:
Haa
The one that got me is ”speaking in tougue"
How do you speak in tougue?

Take the first step first. I will guide you if you are interested. After all, speaking in tongues is scriptural. It is a sign that follows those who believe;

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

1st Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.