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haddeylium:
If we're to have a discussion...You should answer my questions when I do the same with yours...

You haven't given a succinct answer to my question. If you had, I would have answered your questions immediately.

If we're to further, we must know what hebrew word mal·ʼakhʹ translated in English as Angel means.
(We can't ignore this part)

mal·ʼakhʹ(Angel) = Son of God/Messengers

Okay.

These spirit creatures are called 'Son of God' (Angel) as a virtue of being created by God ( ps 36:9)
Jesus is “the beginning of the creation by God.”—Revelation 3:14.
Through Jesus, others are created too (Colossians 1:​13-​17)

Okay.

Bible calls the angels “sons of the true God.” (Job 1:6)
Bible often called Jesus “the Son of God.” (John 1:49)

Okay.

If Jesus as a spirit creature is the Son of God, what does that makes him?

No preconceived notion please. You are yet to BOLDLY say what kind of being Christ Jesus is in heaven.

Jesus being the only "begotten son of God" held exalted position over others angels as Jehovah's Archangel (1 The )

This was preconceived. I will skip.

Not only that, He served as God's word (John 1:1, proverb 8:

Okay.

DappaD put it clearly. You might want a Witness in your area for further enlightenment

I will so much appreciate a BOLD and TRANSPARENT ANSWER

Haddeylium: Christ Jesus in heaven (after resurrection of course) is an angelic creature just like Angel Gabriel.
1. Is this what your stance/answer?
2. The scriptures you gave above is for before-human of Christ- the scope of this mini discussion does not stretch to that angle.
If you say Christ Jesus in heaven (AFTER Ressurection) is an angelic creature just like angel Gabriel, give a scripture that connotes such.

PS: In all fairness, the scriptures you gave above doesn't give an idea of post ressurection state of being of Christ Jesus.
All you were trying to prove there was that Jesus was (maybe) angel Michael before he became human.

Blabbermouth:
Your reply is not well written sir, please re-ask the questions you asked there.
Janosky my friend, I need a succinct answer- Just choose A, B or C and give a perfect scripture that proves your answer true.
Christ Jesus in Heaven, What Kind of Being is he?
A. A God
B. An Angel
C. A man

It seems you don't care about what your Bible says.
1 Corinthians 15:22-48 is in your Bible, study it prayerfully & thoroughly, then attempt the questions posed to you & your friend in my post.

Shalom

MaxInDHouse:
So by the time Jesus' few followers stick to his teachings when majority of them left {John 6:66} those 12 has become born again shey?
Yet Jesus later said about those who stick to him "i still have other things that i need to tell you but you can't grasp it all now" are you saying they are born again by then yet they can't grasp the deep things?

They were not born again. They were fed with milk. The strong meat are contained in Pauline epistles. Even Apostle Peter commented on it. Only those who are born again and filled with the Holy Spirit can understand the epistles of Apostle Paul. He was the only Apostle that was given deep revelation concerning the new creation.

DappaD:
Wrt the other comparisons you made, it was made clear from context that it was the angel of Jehovah who spoke to humans or carried other assignments.

In the passover massacre, it was God who spoke but an angel of God carried out the action.
Who took the credit? God!

Since Jesus isn't the true God Jehovah, but rather His subordinate(John 14:28)—then the long awaited fulfillment of the Genesis 3:15 prophecy must be carried out completely by Jesus Christ as he will not step aside for a lower angel to bind Satan into an abyss since it's clear that Jesus possesses that much authority to hold the keys of death and Hades(Rev 1:18) and is the only person recognized by the demons who will bind them in an abyss(Luke 8:30-31)

Dappa, you seriously need to re-read the message I sent the last time.
Did God step aside for a lower angel when he was to meet Moses?
Did God step aside for a lower angel when He was delivering Israel from Assyria?
Did Hitler step aside for a lower soldier when he was massacring the Jews?
Did Abacha step aside for any lower soldier?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Then you said - *it's clear that Jesus possessed that much authority*
Beloved, in whose authority did the destroyer slay the first born of Egypt?

Beloved, in whose authority did an Angel slay 185,000 humans for Israel to be delivered?

Haven't you read or has it not been written - Everything on earth and in heaven (which includes angels) has been subjected to him, subjected to his authority.

In whose authority then shall an angel bind the devil?

And also there's nothing from context that suggests that another angel was assigned that task.

Don't play the "context" game please.
There's nothing from context that suggests that Christ rolled up his sleeves and did the work himself.

There's nothing from context that suggests that the Angel was no other person than Angel Michael

There was nothing from context that showed that it was NOT an angel of the Lord that multiplied the seeds of Esau.

Take it to heart sir, Your name is a seal!

I know it may be much to grasp but maybe take it one at a time. But if you still do not agree, then there is no problem and I've done the best I can to help.

I'm engaging you with free-mindedness for I am free to UNLearn and RELearn, nevertheless, your mind in its pure state bears witness that what I said was true.

Janosky:

It seems you don't care about what your Bible says.
1 Corinthians 15:22-48 is in your Bible, study it prayerfully & thoroughly, then attempt the questions posed to you & your friend in my post.
Shalom

This is cowardly of you Janosky. You could have answered succinctly with a Bible verse that shows your answer is scriptural.
I read 1 Corinthians 15, your answer to my question will make it a easy peasy scripture for everyone.

Haddeylium: Christ Jesus in heaven (after resurrection of course) is an angelic creature just like Angel Gabriel.
1. Is this what your stance/answer?
2. The scriptures you gave above is for before-human of Christ- the scope of this mini discussion does not stretch to that angle.
If you say Christ Jesus in heaven (AFTER Ressurection) is an angelic creature just like angel Gabriel, give a scripture that connotes such.

1. As an Archangel ....YES!

2. That was because you're not following closely.

This was written and to happened after Christ resurrection
Consider this simply

1Thess 4: 16
because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.

The Voice of Jesus is described as being that of an Archangel.
So, that scripture suggest Jesus is an archangel.

when you hear a roar, you know it's Lion even if he's the leader of the pack

haddeylium:
1. As an Archangel ....YES!

Now you are talking. From an angel- to man - to Angel forever.
I will be back.

2. That was because you're not following closely.

It was actually a chance for you to regroup or make straight what you got twisted yourself.

This was written and to happened after Christ resurrection

Let's see..

Consider this simply
1Thess 4: 16
because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.

If I tell you what this scripture is actually saying, you won't concur - we both know why.
Still, I will be back.

The Voice of Jesus is described as being that of an Archangel.

Forced eisegesis!

So, that scripture suggest Jesus is an archangel.

You know the big problem? The belief that Jesus is Angel Michael is based on "suggestions", " assumptions", "likely" and "maybe".

when you hear a roar, you know it's Lion even if he's the leader of the pack

Are you familiar with Royalty, king & Queen kind of TV series? When A king approaches a gathering, He (the King) never makes the announcement, someone else does.
In battle, the supreme commander does.
Haddeylium, I will be back.

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 3:23 "Jesus Christ belongs to God" ,
Will God thief what belongs to Him?
Your FALSE claim exposed

Acts 2:31
"David was looking into the future and speaking of the Messiah’s resurrection. He was saying that God would not leave him among the dead or allow his body to rot in the grave."

Ken4 , according to your FALSE claim, will God thief what belongs to Him?
1 Corinthians 3:23, says you are LYING .
Pastpreneurs spoon-fed you with JUNK.

Acts 2:31, what did God do after Jesus death ?
Ishi akun. .


*2)
When you,Ken4 see John 21:4, John 20:14-15 Luke 24:16,31,36, Jesus body had no scars,Did you not confess on this thread that Jesus used the body with scars for evidence to prove to Thomas?

Whatever I say won't cure your unbelief. Give your life to Jesus and you will be able to accept the truth of what happened.

Blabbermouth:Are you familiar with Royalty, king & Queen kind of TV series? When A king approaches a gathering, He (the King) never makes the announcement, someone else does.
In battle, the supreme commander does.
Haddeylium, I will be back.

I've not seen the movie .But I can show you the Bible truth

let's take this at a step

1Thess 4: 16-
because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.

first, Pay attention to how the word "Archangel voice " focuses attention on the authority of Jesus' command!

with that in mind:

Jesus revealed the authority Jehovah gave him when he was on Earth


John 5:26-29
26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.27[b]And he has given him authority to do judging[/b] because he is the Son of man.28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice[/b]29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, ...esurrection of judgment

'[b]for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice"

Whose voice are we meant to hear now?

who should I believe ....Your TV series or God's word(Bible)?

haddeylium:
I've not seen the movie .But I can show you the Bible truth

I never mentioned any movie. I meant and movie whose story line is based on a royal kind of setting.

let's take this at a step

Okay.

first, Pay attention to how the word "Archangel voice " focuses attention on the authority of Jesus' command!

Okay, I'm following.

with that in mind:
Jesus revealed the authority Jehovah gave him when he was on Earth

Which is?

John 5:26-29
26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.27[b]And he has given him authority to do judging[/b] because he is the Son of man.28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice[/b]29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, ...resurrection of judgment

Hmmmm

'[b]for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice"

Hmmmm

Whose voice are we meant to hear now?

Jesus' voice?

who should I believe ....Your TV series or God's word(Bible)?

There was no TV series.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your "Christ Jesus (after ressurection) is an angelic creature in heaven" is wrong, we will see to that tomorrow.

Read in-between the lines this time - Now compare 1 Thess 4:16 with John 5:26-29, then check 1 Corinthians 15. We will see to this tomorrow too.

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Blabbermouth:
This is cowardly of you Janosky. You could have answered succinctly with a Bible verse that shows your answer is scriptural.
I read 1 Corinthians 15, your answer to my question will make it a easy peasy scripture for everyone.

Bros, thanks for the insult.

Summary:
What being is Jesus Christ now in heaven?

A. God
B.Angel
C. Man.

1 Corinthians 15:24-27. Jesus Christ hands over the kingdom to his God and Father" (in the spirit realm).
Jesus Christ is NOT God, confirmed.
Trinity falls into the Sewage Tank
.

B. Angel.
1 Cor15:45, "The first Adam became a living soul,the last Adam became a life giving spirit".

Questions for Blabbermouth:
Who is the first Adam? Who is the last Adam?

Does the first Adam and the last Adam have the same Father & the same God?

Is the last Adam a spirit son of God?
Is the last Adam, God's creature ?

In your Bible, What is the other name for spirit sons of God?
.


@ 1 Cor15:22, what was MADE ALIVE?
@1Peter 3:18 what was MADE ALIVE?


Man.
1 Cor15:20 "Christ has been raised from the dead". For a while, Jesus was a man liable to death.
1Cor15:20,23,45 Christ is the first fruits of those raised up from the dead to a life giving spirit.
Therefore no more liable to death.

Shalom

Ken4Christ:
Whatever I say won't cure your unbelief. Give your life to Jesus and you will be able to accept the truth of what happened.

Your pastpreneurs can't refute any Scriptural evidences presented by JWs on this thread..


Keep your delusions and stay in your lane.

Ken4Christ:
Whatever I say won't cure your unbelief. Give your life to Jesus and you will be able to accept the truth of what happened.

You opened this thread to malign and blaspheme Jehovah God.
But the holy Scriptures exposed your FALSEHOOD.
1 Corinthians 3:23 , Christ belongs to God, his Father.
God can NOT thief what belongs to God.
1 Corinthians 3:23 says Ken4 is a LIAR.

Janosky:
Bros, thanks for the insult.

"Cowardly" is an harmless and non-insult intended adverb.

Summary:
What being is Jesus Christ now in heaven?

A. God
B.Angel
C. Man.

You chose B.
Bible verses please... Haddey already gave 1 Thess 4:16, it will be nice if you gave me another one (a scripture we don't have to start assuming and shadowboxing)

1 Corinthians 15:24-27. Jesus Christ hands over the kingdom to his God and Father" (in the spirit realm).
Jesus Christ is NOT God, confirmed.
Trinity falls into the Sewage Tank
.

Sorry mate, I don't subscribe to the Trinity doctrine.

B. Angel.
1 Cor15:45, "The first Adam became a living soul,the last Adam became a life giving spirit".

ROFLMAO. Is this the scripture for your answer? No, no, no, the last we checked the only life giving spirit is God!
Unfortunately you chose option B not A! Try again.

Questions for Blabbermouth:
Who is the first Adam? Who is the last Adam?

First Adam is Adam the father of Abel. Last Adam is Jesus the Christ.

Does the first Adam and the last Adam have the same Father & the same God?

Yes.

Is the last Adam a spirit son of God?
Is the last Adam, God's creature ?

Which one is spirit son? Sprit son ko, spiritual father ni.
Is the Last Adam God's creature? Yes!

In your Bible, What is the other name for spirit sons of God?

Hahahahahahaha haha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, why are you adding " spirit" to the "sons of God"?

[b]
@ 1 Cor15:22, what was MADE ALIVE?
@1Peter 3:18 what was MADE ALIVE?

Make I check my Bible.

Man.
1 Cor15:20 "Christ has been raised from the dead". For a while, Jesus was a man liable to death.
1Cor15:20,23,45 Christ is the first fruits of those raised up from the dead to a life giving spirit.
Therefore no more liable to death.

Hahahahahahaha haha hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha
Yet you don't believe I'm trinity?
If I were you I will always try not to Include " life-giving"... All that screams is - Christ Jesus is A God!

Today is not for Trinity or no Trinity, I'm waiting for a better bible verse from you. The one you gave is an indicator that Christ Jesus was raised as A God.

Shalom.

Blabbermouth:
"Cowardly" is an harmless and non-insult intended adverb.

You chose B.
Bible verses please... Haddey already gave 1 Thess 4:16, it will be nice if you gave me another one (a scripture we don't have to start assuming and shadowboxing)

Sorry mate, I don't subscribe to the Trinity doctrine.

ROFLMAO. Is this the scripture for your answer? No, no, no, the last we checked the only life giving spirit is God!
Unfortunately you chose option B not A! Try again.

First Adam is Adam the father of Abel. Last Adam is Jesus the Christ.

Yes.

Which one is spirit son? Sprit son ko, spiritual father ni.
Is the Last Adam God's creature? Yes!

Hahahahahahaha haha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, why are you adding " spirit" to the "sons of God"?

Make I check my Bible.

Hahahahahahaha haha hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha
Yet you don't believe I'm trinity?
If I were you I will always try not to Include " life-giving"... All that screams is - Christ Jesus is A God!

Today is not for Trinity or no Trinity, I'm waiting for a better bible verse from you. The one you gave is an indicator that Christ Jesus was raised as A God.

Shalom.

1 Cor15:24-27,45.
A life giving spirit son of God handing over the kingdom to his God and Father .

1 Corinthians 8:5 " Jesus is a god in heaven . John 10:34-36 men are God's on earth


1 Corinthians 15:22, "in Adam all are dying,also in Christ all will be made alive"
1 Cor 15:45 "the first Adam became a living soul and brought death to his offsprings.
The last Adam stepped in,to give everlasting life to Adam's offsprings (through his sacrificial death, Hebrew 10:10, 1 Peter 3:18) made Adam's offsprings alive) and he (Christ) was made alive in the spirit realm as a life giving spirit.
Our prophesied Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).
If Adam had not sinned, Adam was originally our Everlasting Father (he was to live forever) but lost it

Shalom.

Janosky:
You opened this thread to malign and blaspheme Jehovah God.
But the holy Scriptures exposed your FALSEHOOD.
1 Corinthians 3:23 , Christ belongs to God, his Father.
God can NOT thief what belongs to God.
1 Corinthians 3:23 says Ken4 is a LIAR.

These agents of darkness are ready to defend their lies till death do them part. I wonder what you gain by opposing the truth of God's word.

Ken4Christ:
These agents of darkness are ready to defend their lies till death do them part. I wonder what you gain by opposing the truth of God's word.

Jehovah Ha Elohim have ZERO connection to agents of darkness.
1 Corinthians 3:23, God can NOT thief what belongs to Him.
You have ZERO connection to the truth
The Bible truth dey gif you sifia pains .

Blabbermouth:
"Cowardly" is an harmless and non-insult intended adverb.

You chose B.
Bible verses please... Haddey already gave 1 Thess 4:16, it will be nice if you gave me another one (a scripture we don't have to start assuming and shadowboxing)

Shalom.

Daniel 10:13. Genesis 4:19.
Hebrew 259 lexicon.

Ken4Christ:
They were not born again. They were fed with milk. The strong meat are contained in Pauline epistles. Even Apostle Peter commented on it. Only those who are born again and filled with the Holy Spirit can understand the epistles of Apostle Paul. He was the only Apostle that was given deep revelation concerning the new creation.

Hen nah, then why are you now saying people must become born again before they can accept Jesus' teachings when those first century Jews accepted his counseling without being born again?
This your stupidity is getting worse by the day o!

Janosky:
1 Cor15:24-27,45.
A life giving spirit son of God handing over the kingdom to his God and Father .

Why did you cunningly add "Son of God", uhn? Why?

1 Corinthians 8:5 " Jesus is a god in heaven . John 10:34-36 men are God's on earth

"small gods" - He said.

1 Corinthians 15:22, "in Adam all are dying,also in Christ all will be made alive"
1 Cor 15:45 "the first Adam became a living soul and brought death to his offsprings.
The last Adam stepped in,to give everlasting life to Adam's offsprings (through his sacrificial death, Hebrew 10:10, 1 Peter 3:18) made Adam's offsprings alive) and he (Christ) was made alive in the spirit realm as a life giving spirit.

If you keep chanting this, you are only roping yourself.
Your last sentence was - Christ was made alive in the spirit relam as a life giving spirit - That's A God there.
Is Christ Jesus in Heaven A God? If not, don't show me this verse again - I'm only sticking with your answer of " B. Angels"... Gone are the days of arguing with no essence.

Our prophesied Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).
If Adam had not sinned, Adam was originally our Everlasting Father (he was to live forever) but lost it
Shalom.

Okay.
I'm still looking for your "Jesus ressurected is an angelic creature" proof.

Janosky:
Daniel 10:13. Genesis 4:19.
Hebrew 259 lexicon.

Here is Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the royal realm of Persia stood in opposition to me for 21 days. But then Miʹcha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I remained there beside the kings of Persia

Commentary: Don't go off grid please. You said "Christ Jesus (after resurrection of course) is an angelic creature just like Gabriel in heaven"

Daniel 10:13 is no scriptural proof, for
1) Jesus is yet to come to earth as at that time
2) Jesus is not even in the text.

Here is Genesis 4:19
Laʹmech took two wives for himself. The name of the first was Aʹdah, and the name of the second was Zilʹlah.
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Commentary: Kíni Gbó Gbó Eléyî? Wetin concecn price of Garri with bread? Wetin concern Lamech with Jesus? Uhn!

If your answer were scriptural and not doctored, finding a scripture that connotes such would not be an Herculean task.
Try again Janosky.

Janosky:
Daniel 10:13. Genesis 4:19.
Hebrew 259 lexicon.

My brother, Blabbermouth is not interested in the truth, he's just playing hide and seek stuff!

Imagine someone said "Max, i respect you a lot" not because Max do sell Àkàrà or exotic cars o, but due to the clarity in Max's comments. Then the same person later told Max "forget about the organization that teach you how to make meaningful comments, you can do better without them"
Can't you see the tone of the serpent in that?

Satan to Eve ~ Who created you and your husband?

Eve ~ Jehovah!

Satan ~ so do you think Jehovah truly love you?

Eve ~ yes nah, he gave us everything we had only warned us against one thing!

Satan ~ God is a liar! you can do better without God.

Hide and seek Genesis 3:1-5

So no matter what you say, he will still come back to tell you "try again" all because you're one of those telling him that the only source of divine guidance is the GB of JWs.

Just say you have your own PERSONAL Jesus, and get commendations from Blabbermouth~ AkinwaleJJ

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, Blabbermouth is not interested in the truth, he's just playing hide and seek stuff!

Imagine someone said "Max, i respect you a lot" not because Max do sell Àkàrà or exotic cars o, but due to the clarity in Max's comments. Then the same person later told Max "forget about the organization that teach you how to make meaningful comments, you can do better without them"
Can't you see the tone of the serpent in that?

Satan to Eve ~ Who created you and your husband?

Eve ~ Jehovah!

Satan ~ so do you think Jehovah truly love you?

Eve ~ yes nah, he gave us everything we had only warned us against one thing!

Satan ~ God is a liar! you can do better without God.

Hide and seek Genesis 3:1-5

So no matter what you say, he will still come back to tell you "try again" all because you're one of those telling him that the only source of divine guidance is the GB of JWs.

Just say you have your own PERSONAL Jesus, and get commendations from Blabbermouth Satan~ AkinwaleJJ Daily Text Saturday Oct 3 2020

Just consider today's daily text!

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, Blabbermouth is not interested in the truth, he's just playing hide and seek stuff!

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
"He is not interested in the truth?" - LMAO

Imagine someone said "Max, i respect you a lot" not because Max do sell Àkàrà or exotic cars o, but due to the clarity in Max's comments.Then the same person later told Max "forget about the organization that teach you how to make meaningful comments, you can do better without them"
Can't you see the tone of the serpent in that?

The same way I respect Muttley, Shade, Lord.Reed, Kobo/junkie et Al.
Like I said Oga, your org. has no hand directly or indirectly in it.

So no matter what you say, he will still come back to tell you "try again" all because you're one of those telling him that the only source of divine guidance is the GB of JWs.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
Even Janosky himself knows he hasn't given any scriptural back up, he hasn't said anything meaningful - He thought I believe in trinity, so was aiming trinitarian dig at me. E mi ômò ogbón, Mó yâ Bob ....

Just say you have your own PERSONAL Jesus, and get commendations from Blabbermouth~ AkinwaleJJ

Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha, you are a comedian sir.
1. The watchtower did not die for my sins
2. He never asked me to find you (or any of the denominations we have)
3. You won't be my pass card for being among the 144,000

Oya sing this with me -
I have decided to follow Jesus
I have decided to follow Jesus
I have decided to follow Jesus
No turning back, no turning back
Verse 2
I'm not a pharisee, I'm not an Essene, I'm not a Saducee, I am a Christian.
I don't follow the watchtower, I don't follow the Catholic pope, I don't follow the G.O, I follow Jesus alone

Abeg don't mind those Jehovah witness people jare, you're for Jesus!

Blabbermouth:
[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
"He is not interested in the truth?" - LMAO

The same way I respect Muttley, Shade, Lord.Reed, Kobo/junkie et Al.
Like I said Oga, your org. has no hand directly or indirectly in it.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
Even Janosky himself knows he hasn't given any scriptural back up, he hasn't said anything meaningful - He thought I believe in trinity, so was aiming trinitarian dig at me. E mi ômò ogbón, Mó yâ Bob ....






Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha, you are a comedian sir.
1. The watchtower did not die for my sins
2. He never asked me to find you (or any of the denominations we have)
3. You won't be my pass card for being among the 144,000

Oya sing this with me -
I have decided to follow Jesus
I have decided to follow Jesus
I have decided to follow Jesus
No turning back, no turning back
Verse 2
I'm not a pharisee, I'm not an Essene, I'm not a Saducee, I am a Christian.
I don't follow the watchtower, I don't follow the Catholic pope, I don't follow the G.O, I follow Jesus alone

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Jesus' voice?

Brilliant!
Jesus voice gangan is that of the Archangel's that He is.

There was no TV series.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your "Christ Jesus (after ressurection) is an angelic creature in heaven" is wrong, we will see to that tomorrow

it's obvious you reached a dead end and that's your personal opinion.
As long as my belief have a biblical support and the knowledge that is yielding results. I'm fine

Truth is, it might be difficult unlearning things you've believed to be truth for years.
But, when you see what the Bible teaches like you did. People that cherish the truth know what to do.


Did you just say you don't believe in Trinity ?...Lol
Guy, you do. You just have a different definition of it

haddeylium:
Recap
Question: Christ Jesus in heaven (after ressurection of course), what kind of being is he?
A. A God
B. An Angel
C. A man

Haddeylium's Answer: B. An angel

Dearly beloved, it is of much necessity to know what kind of Being Christ Jesus is in heaven. It is right if anyone claims Christ Jesus is a "spirit being" in heaven, for of truth, the Christ is one of these spirit beings - God, Angel or Man. We are only hitting the tree leaves by sticking to the superficial, nay, let us go for the root!

The risen Lord Jesus Christ is the paradigm of our future existence, the baking pan of every man that shall rise again unto eternal life. Whatever he is, is exactly what the ressurected one shall become. For when we were sons of Adam (who was our baking pan), we all (leaving no one exempted) became what Adam was - short of God's glory and subjected to death. Now, as we are of the last Adam (Christ Jesus) thus shall we be in image, in essence and nature of who he is.
This truth was confirmed in the scriptures as written -

Philippians 3:20-21
.......We are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ; Who will transform our humble body to be like his glorious body by His great power.....

Another writer unctioned by the spirit of truth put it in another way saying
1 John 3:2
We are now children of God,..........; We will be like him because we will see him just as he is

Paul also said - As we have borne the image of the earthy (of Adam the father of Abel) , We shall also bear the image of the heavenly (of Jésù Christí)

If Christ then being the first of the ressurected lives as an angel forever, what then shall the other ressurected be like?
Angels!

Be it the 144,000 or the ones to inhabit the earth, they all shall be pure angelic creatures just like Gabriel.
Thus, no man shall remain!

Is this the salvation Jehovah has declared? (If So, is God a liar?)

Was the plan to create man and convert him to an angelic creature later?

Now you see haddeylium, we are like train coaches having a single head - If Christ Jesus rose as an angelic creature, every man will also rise as Angels and the Man creature will be done away with forever.

Do you know the implication of the above? Let's not go there, it promises to be messy and heartbreaking.

This is the 1st of the numerous blunders, errors, and implication of Christ being raised up as an angelic creature just like Gabriel.

Haddeylium, do you still hold the belief that Christ Jesus ressurected as an angelic creature just like Gabriel?

If you don't, go on and tell me what he ressurected as.
If you still do, be ready to call Jehovah a Liar, joker, and an unjust God with your doctrines.

haddeylium:
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Don't force it puh-leaaaaze, we will address you 1 Thess 4:16 soon.
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You obviously don't know what the "Trinity" doctrine is about.

Blabbermouth:
Don't force it puh-leaaaaze, we will address you 1 Thess 4:16 soon.
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You obviously don't know what the "Trinity" doctrine is about.

A qualified servant of Jehovah, fully competent and completely equipped to preach and teach the word of God in order to make disciples who in turn will be asked to do exactly the same thing: doesn't know what the trinity doctrine is about!
Really laughable!

AkinwaleJJ:
A qualified servant of Jehovah, fully competent and completely equipped to preach and teach the word of God in order to make disciples who in turn will be asked to do exactly the same thing: doesn't know what the trinity doctrine is about!
Really laughable!

Woman, I don't have the desire to argue any longer.
God in three persons - Trinity
Your boy said I believe in Trinity, that is to say - I believe God is 3 persons all together. Where /what in my post suggest that?

Blabbermouth:
Woman, I don't have the desire to argue any longer.
God in three persons - Trinity
Your boy said I believe in Trinity, that is to say - I believe God is 3 persons all together. Where /what in my post suggest that?

Trinitarians fabricated various contradicting definitions but it's all tailored to the same point:- "Jesus is no part of God's creation" Anyhow you put it doesn't matter, as long as you hold the idea that Jesus wasn't created you're a Trinitarian!