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MuttleyLaff:
Affirmative with a capital, YES, every spirits, whether terrestrial or extra-terrestrial aka celestial have the ability to transfigure to show varying extent or degrees of glory, lmso.

With all due respect, please explain to the best of your knowledge and understanding all you've learned that glory is. I am talking of the glory of God here, of course. What is glory, what is the glory of God?

What is the glory of God?

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MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is why i just they gbadun you my guy!

Of course i'll ignore whatever will derail the present topic of discussion!

Na today . Is it not the same you. The thread never derail, you said the same thing 6 - 8 pages back and yet the thread remains the same.

You can stick to

You can't understand our teachings if you're not ready to learn from those sent to teach you one on one.

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Haylel:
@the bolded, did you not claim they became angelic creatures before?

If they are not angelic creatures but are just like angels, what kind of beings are they exactly?
#Clown

Since Jesus = Angel Michael, the 144,000 = angels. His friend saw the sense in your worded response last night and decided to let it lie. Mr Max went ahead with his ....

You can't understand our teachings if you're not ready to learn from those sent to teach you one on one

He added.......The only angel having authority higher than this new angels

What did he type just now like angels


He will still accuse others of CONTRADICTIONS. Within the organization he belongs there are CONTRADICTIONS not to talk of relating it with those on the OUTSIDE.

MightySparrow:
What is the glory of God?

The glory of God in his creatures connotes the original form God planned to make that creature from the beginning!

When Paul said "we have all sinned and fall short of God's glory" {Romans 3:23} he simply means the original form of life and conditions God planned for us in the beginning.

For instance, as humans (God's image) we are to take full charge as in control all other forms of life on earth, we weren't created to grow old, get sick or die. Fallen angels aren't supposed to take possession of human bodies as you're seeing today, all insects like flies, mosquitoes, ants, cockroaches, spiders, scorpions and others shouldn't take possession of our flesh talkless of sucking the blood in the bodies of the one and only creature made in God's image!

That's what the glory of God means in the life of humans, but as sinners we have fallen short of that, so until Christ's Kingdom rule this is how we will continue live under this deplorable condition. That's why Jesus asked us to keep praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10} when God will restore us back to the glory Adam had in the beginning! Genesis 1:26

God bless you!

MaxInDHouse:
The glory of God in his creatures connotes the original form God planned to make that creature from the beginning!

When Paul said "we have all sinned and fall short of God's glory" {Romans 3:23} he simply means the original form of life and conditions God planned for us in the beginning.

For instance, as humans (God's image) we are to take full charge as in control all other forms of life on earth, we weren't created to grow old, get sick or die. Fallen angels aren't supposed to take possession of human bodies as you're seeing today, all insects like flies, mosquitoes, ants, cockroaches, spiders, scorpions and others shouldn't take possession of our flesh talkless of sucking the blood in the bodies of the one and only creature made in God's image!

That's what the glory of God means in the life of humans, but as sinners we have fallen short of that, so until Christ's Kingdom rule this is how we will continue live under this deplorable condition. That's why Jesus asked us to keep praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10} when God will restore us back to the glory Adam had in the beginning! Genesis 1:26

God bless you!

Question: what is the glory of God?

Answer: The glory of God in his creatures connotes

you are onto something else. Read well before responding.

achorladey:
Since Jesus = Angel Michael, the 144,000 = angels. His friend saw the sense in your worded response last night and decided to let it lie. Mr Max went ahead with his ....
You can't understand our teachings if you're not ready to learn from those sent to teach you one on one
He added.......The only angel having authority higher than this new angels
What did he type just now like angels
He will still accuse others of CONTRADICTIONS. Within the organization he belongs there are CONTRADICTIONS not to talk of relating it with those on the OUTSIDE.

Na we we joor, JWs for life!

Don't allow envy to disturb your brains o!

Go and worship your own God as you sabi, JWs are 100% satisfied with our own understanding of the scriptures, as it's yielding the expected result in our midst!

Haylel:
Na dem, humans will become angelic creatures

Na Dem, God was lying, he is going to subject the world to angelic beings

Na dem, you don't know Jehovah, he is only for us

Na dem, C.T Russell created the only performing group for Jesus. The church wey Christ Jesus built has lost its track

#Clowns

achorladey:
Question: what is the glory of God?
Answer: The glory of God in his creatures connotes
you are onto something else. Read well before responding.

Haba! You for let the guy answer nah!

MaxInDHouse:
Na we we joor, JWs for life!

Don't allow envy to disturb your brains o!

Go and worship your own God as you sabi, JWs are 100% satisfied with our own understanding of the scriptures, as it's yielding the expected result in our midst!

Envy

You are the one comparing groups all over the place. Always calling one true, others false. . Calling them bastardized and cursed e.t.c that's what ENVY does

achorladey:
Envy

You are the one comparing groups all over the place. Always calling one true, others false. . Calling them bastardized and cursed e.t.c that's what ENVY does

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

They wants to equate themselves with us and we say "it's not done" simple!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're not one of us, then you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God. That's what we're saying!
It's you that's worried and saying all sort of things instead of mentioning the name of your group since there thousands of different religious groups out there claiming Christians and everyone knows that their forms of worship differs!

shadeyinka:
Is it correct for me to l assume that this answer above is for question 2?

If I get you correctly, what you are saying is that God will Create a NEW being and fill it up with the memories of the dead person. Is this your correct opinion?
Please check your quote for the @yellow highlight: What is the "them" that will be brought back to life?

If this is correct, would this truely be a resurrection or an imposition? The way I understand what you've said is that like a computer, God backs up the memory of an old computer and then transfer the cloned memory on a new computer. Wouldn't a resurrection of my old computer be more or less a restoration of my old computer probably with a higher RAM memory, newer casings, updated software's etc?

But then, that was why I asked if the LIFE FORCE is simply the memory of the dead person. Is the Life Force the same as the Memory of the dead?


Thank you for doing justice to Questions 1 and 2. However, even though I'll like you to complete question 2 by clarifying the questions above, I also don't want you to answer question 3 in the light of your answer in 1 and 2


3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

it makes no difference to Almighty God what happens to Man imperfect physical body..
whether it was destroyed in fire, killed by wild animals or got rotten(Rev 20:13)


Don't get it mixed up
The spirit is God's breath of life that he give to a being to make him a living Soul (Gen 2:17)
A person is a dead soul without God's life force (Spirit/breath of life)

As God created Adam with physical body and the Angels with spiritual body. He will be forming the body of the new resurrected ones in respective to their resurrection hope putting lives in them(spirit/breath of life) and their memories

MaxInDHouse:
The spirit is just the force or energy actuating the body, in layman's terms we can say breath it's the same type of force that works in all forms of life whether humans, animals, insects or microorganism. The one having the power to stop and also restore this force is God!
But if you want to define what God forms new body for, it's better to say "character" you'll have watched soap operas where an individual playing a certain character decides to opt out of the production, so if this character is very important or a major character in the movie then another individual will take up the character.
So God store the character of Abel in his memory during resurrection Abel comes to life with a new body just as the one that was killed by Cain and those who knew Abel will recognize him but all the wounds will not be again. The same applies to all other humans, those born blind, lame, deaf, dumb, hunchback and so on will be recognized by their face and attitude but the corruptible bodies will not come u with them.

As for those going to rule with Jesus in heaven (144,000) they're never going to return to flesh again, their own form of life will be spirit forms "like angels" {Luke 20:36} God will restore all their memories back to them but they'll become angels not humans!

Okay thanks for the response!

You haven't answered question 3 yet

3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body?

Does God put their memories in a new spirit body?

What you have told me is that instead of the 144,000 getting a new body, what they get is a spirit body.

shadeyinka:
Okay thanks for the response!

You haven't answered question 3 yet

3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a [highlight]human being[/highligh cannot be conscious without his body?

Does God put their memories in a new spirit body?

What you have told me is that instead of the 144,000 getting a new body, what they get is a spirit body.

The highlighted!
They're no more human being but spirit being!

God only transform their forms of life so since they're done with the human nature, they become spirits, that's why Jesus said "they don't get married like humans anymore because they don't have the masculine nor feminine nature again" Luke 20:34-36

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MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!
They're no more human being but spirit being!

God only transform their forms of life so since they're done with the human nature, they become spirits, that's why Jesus said "they don't get married like humans anymore because they don't have the masculine nor feminine nature again" Luke 20:34-36

Let me rephrase then if you are bothered with the word huiman being

3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a a being cannot be conscious without his body?

MightySparrow: What is the glory of God?

I asked you to explain what the glory of God means according to your knowledge and understanding, why are you turning and throwing the question back at me?

haddeylium:
it makes no difference to Almighty God what happens to Man imperfect physical body..
whether it was destroyed in fire, killed by wild animals or got rotten(Rev 20:13)


Don't get it mixed up
The spirit is God's breath of life that he give to a being to make him a living Soul (Gen 2:17)
A person is a dead soul without God's life force (Spirit/breath of life)

As God created Adam with physical body and the Angels with spiritual body. He will be forming the body of the new resurrected ones in respective to their resurrection hope putting lives in them(spirit/breath of life) and their memories

The still unanswered question is:
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)


Except if you mean that they have a spirit body: is this your position?

shadeyinka:
Let me rephrase then if you are bothered with the word huiman being

3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a a being cannot be conscious without his body?

Of course no being can be conscious without it's body!
Be it spirit, human or animals the maker (God) did not export them form anywhere, he created each with the form of body without which they can't exist , so without the body God made for each creature, they can't exist!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course no being can be conscious without it's body!
Be it spirit, human or animals the maker (God) did not export them form anywhere, he created each with the form of body without which they can't exist , so without the body God made for each creature, they can't exist!

I hope I am correct:
Men were made from the soil while Angels are made of Spirit.

1. In the Spirit Realm, do Spirits have visible forms? ( can Angel Gabriel recognize Angel Micheal?)
2. What then is the distinction (if there is) between a spirit and spirit body?

shadeyinka:
3. Luk 24:36-43:
"And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the middle of them, and said to them, Peace be to you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said to them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

God's nature is Spirit . Just accept Jesus doesn't have God's nature since the nature of God is not flesh and blood. .


Ceph ni

shadeyinka:
The still unanswered question is:
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a [b]human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)
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Except if you mean that they have a spirit body: is this your position?

I will take this as you've understand what Spirit/breath of life that God gives as lifeforce to his creature is.

What make up a living Soul is the Body and Spirit(breath of life/ lifeforce).
So, without the spirit that God gives, a body is a dead Soul (Be it physical body or spiritual Body)..
You understand now?

Psalm 146:4-His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
When the spirit goes out, the body becomes a dead soul.
Just as how useless a gadget without electricity (spirit/lifeforce) is useless.

(Luke 23:46)-and Jesus, with a loud cry, said “Father, to your hands I commit my spirit”; and with this he expired.

Jesus Soul(body) expired after commiting his spirit unto God.
So, Jesus left his prospect of being resurrected back in future.
And God resurrected him as Spirit being (1 pet 3:18) after infusing his life force to his spirit body.


shalom

Janosky:


Thanks for your time and effort to bring this out..

We learn every day.
Shalom.

You are learning trash. Every child of God is a citizen of heaven. It is not just for 144,000

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

The verse above refers to the Hebrews that are born again. It is not for selected few.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

After John saw the 144,000 sealed for protection, he saw great multitude which no one could number in heaven also .

Barristter07:
God's nature is Spirit . Just accept Jesus doesn't have God's nature since the nature of God is not flesh and blood. .


Ceph ni

I have stopped my conversation with you on this topic. The scripture you quoted is simple to understand by any english speaker.

shadeyinka:
I hope I am correct:
Men were made from the soil while Angels are made of Spirit.

Excellent!

1. In the Spirit Realm, do Spirits have visible forms? ( can Angel Gabriel recognize Angel Micheal?)

@ Jude 9 we read about Michael having a dispute with the devil (fallen angel) and despite the fact that Michael is now in human form as Jesus the fallen angels still recognize him! Mark 1:24

2. What then is the distinction (if there is) between a spirit and spirit body?

The word Spirit is used to describe so many things but in this context the difference is like saying "human and human body" you can sence the presence of a human in a place even when you've not seen the body.

So spirit have their own forms of body and they can see one another but our own eyes was designed to see only physical bodies. Remember when the two demons begged Jesus to allow them enter into the swine, at the sight of these two powerful spirits all those animals ran, fell of the cliff and drowned! Matthew 8:31-32
WHY?
Because God designed their own eyes in a way that they can see spirit bodies! Numbers 22:23

haddeylium:
I will take this as you've understand what Spirit/breath of life that God gives as lifeforce to his creature is.

What make up a living Soul is the Body and Spirit(breath of life/ lifeforce).
So, without the spirit that God gives, a body is a dead Soul (Be it physical body or spiritual Body)..
You understand now?

Psalm 146:4-His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
When the spirit goes out, the body becomes a dead source.
Just as how useless a gadget without electricity (spirit/lifeforce) is useless.

(Luke 23:46)-and Jesus, with a loud cry, said “Father, to your hands I commit my spirit”; and with this he expired.

Jesus Soul(body) expired after commiting his spirit unto God.
So, Jesus left his prospect of being resurrected back in future.
And God resurrected him as Spirit being (1 pet 3:18) after infusing his life force to his spirit body.


shalom

1. Is there a difference between a Spirit and a Spirit Body?
2. Can you please define by the term Resurrection?

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent!


@ Jude 9 we read about Michael having a dispute with the devil (fallen angel) and despite the fact that Michael is now in human form as Jesus the fallen angels still recognize him! Mark 1:24




The word Spirit is used to describe so many things but in this context the difference is like saying "human and human body" you can sence the presence of a human in a place even when you've not seen the body.

So spirit have their own forms of body and they can see one another but our own eyes was designed to see only physical bodies. Remember when the two demons begged Jesus to allow them enter into the swine, at the sight of these two powerful spirits all those animals ran, fell of the cliff and drowned! Matthew 8:31-32
WHY?
Because God designed their own eyes in a way that they can see spirit bodies! Numbers 22:23

In other words, spirits have their FORM by which they can recognise each other.
Are there some spirits who do not have their own spirit form?

shadeyinka:
In other words, spirits have their FORM by which they can recognise each other.
Are there some spirits who do not have their own spirit form?

The one and only spirit that doesn't have a body of it's own is God's active force "Holy Spirit" this one serves only the purpose for which it's sent out. God sits in his majestic throne in the heavens and sends this force out to accomplish whatever he purposes, so it has no mind of it's own unlike the angels! John 14:26

shadeyinka:
1. Is there a difference between a Spirit and a Spirit Body?
2. Can you please define by the term Resurrection?

The word Spirit has some numbers of meaning in the Bible.
it can mean
©God active force or holy Spirit
© Spirit person.
©Active life force God gives
©wind or some forces et al

Which one you seeking meaning to?

haddeylium:
if I get what you mean..


Whether someone has earthly or heavenly resurrection hope. The same thing will happen to their physical body now. The body, bones , brains will rot.

But God with his power will remember each one and bring them back to life with their memories .
Those that will inherit the paradise with physical body and those with heavenly hope with spiritual body.
Jehovah created everything, so he has the power to bring all faithful ones back to life.

shalom

It seems that at resurrection
1. None of a man's Body, Soul or Spirit is brought back to life
2. However, God will create a new Physical or Spiritual being AND give it the memory of the righteous person.

Is this correct?
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haddeylium:
The word Spirit has some numbers of meaning in the Bible.
it can mean
©God active force or holy Spirit
© Spirit person.
©Active life force God gives
©wind or some forces et al

Which one you seeking meaning to?

A spirit with emotion, will and intellect. A spirit that is a personality!