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MaxInDHouse:
To Shadeyinka!

I really appreciate the way we discussed at length on the issue of spirit, though we may not agree on so many things, it's important we know that there is freedom of expression, speech and worship.
So there's no need forcing our beliefs on others, it's best to tell our neighbours what we believe regarding their disposition towards our FAITH.
Jehovah our God will destroy all none JWs when he comes to judge the world, but that doesn't mean we must start treating people badly, the choice is left to them. If they feel the need to join us in the worship of our God we'll tell them the benefit and if they choose not to we'll tell them why we keep going out all the time to sound the warning. But that doesn't mean we should be hostile towards our fellow man, it's just things having to do with sacred services that will not bring us together, as for all other things, we can share as neighbours.
So i really appreciate the way and manner we had this discussion, of course you may object to many of our beliefs just as we also do towards yours but let's just conclude that everyone has what appeals to them, Jehovah's Witnesses finds pleasure in the same line of thought with our fellow believers. That's what brought us together as a global family, anyone who despises oneness in thought can never be or fancy JWs!
God bless you!

Jehovah our God will destroy all none JWs when he comes to judge the world

We know there is no scriptural support for this. The reason many despises your ONE LINE OF THOUGHT

achorladey:
Jehovah our God will destroy all none JWs when he comes to judge the world
We know there is no scriptural support for this. The reason many despises your ONE LINE OF THOUGHT

Eyes you have but you're not seeing!

Ears you've got but you're deaf!

If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Any careful and diligent reader will pause, and ask

"Are all these religionsists claiming Christians truly practicing what Jesus taught?"
Which of all these groups having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines is practicing exactly what Jesus taught?"

Because if all of them are practicing Christianity then Jesus' teachings is not distinct as in well specified. Yet he himself said "Many will say to me (on the day of judgment) we did many things in your name" then i will say to them "i never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23

Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues! 2Corinthians 4:4

MaxInDHouse:
Eyes you have but you're not seeing!

Ears you've got but you're deaf!

If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Any careful and diligent reader will pause, and ask

"Are all these religionsists claiming Christians truly practicing what Jesus taught?"
Which of all these groups having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines is practicing exactly what Jesus taught?"

Because if all of them are practicing Christianity then Jesus' teachings is not distinct as in well specified. Yet he himself said "Many will say to me (on the day of judgment) we did many things in your name" then i will say to them "i never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23

Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues! 2Corinthians 4:4

If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16


what you need is ANYONE in that same anyone carries ALL NONE JWS


I know you can see the little my eyes can see

Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues!


Distraction mode into what was asked



we did many things in your name" then[b] I will[/b] say to them "I never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity


Answer me the Max that has EYES and EARS who is the I in Matthew 7: 21-23

A. MaxInDHouse

B. Achorladey

C. Jesus Christ

D. Jehovah

I await the response

MaxInDHouse:
Eyes you have but you're not seeing!

Ears you've got but you're deaf!

If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Any careful and diligent reader will pause, and ask

"Are all these religionsists claiming Christians truly practicing what Jesus taught?"
Which of all these groups having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines is practicing exactly what Jesus taught?"

Because if all of them are practicing Christianity then Jesus' teachings is not distinct as in well specified. Yet he himself said "Many will say to me (on the day of judgment) we did many things in your name" then i will say to them "i never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23

Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues! 2Corinthians 4:4

Very sound reply.

DappaD:
Very sound reply.

When Jesus said "let those who have ears listen" Matthew 13:9
Of course he is talking to honest hearted listeners who are conscious of their spiritual needs {Matthew 5:3} not workers of lawlessness {Matthew 7:23} who don't want anything like restraint!

achorladey:
If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16


what you need is ANYONE in that same anyone carries ALL NONE JWS


I know you can see the little my eyes can see

LMAO! You knocked out the senior marketer of JW org, nairaland branch.

Achorladey, dey pity am small small na

Blabbermouth:
My heart is inditing a good matter; yea, I speak of excellent things, my tongue is as the pen of a ready writer.
Before proceeding to reasoning from the scripture by the spirit of truth, i think there is need for a good laugh first.
Not adding a single word and not taking a single word away, here is something from a certified jw article from their org:

"A few humans have the hope of being ressurected to life in heaven (the heavenly ressurection haddeylium talked about). Their number is small - 144,000 in all. However, these 144,000 are quite distinct from those creatures commonly called angels."
Here is another one from another certified JW article ftrom their org:
"Misconception: People become angels when they die
Fact: Angels are a separate creation of God, not ressurected humans. (Colossians 1:16) People who are raised to life in heaven receive the gift of immortal life from God. (1 Corinthians 15:53, 54) They will have a status higher than the angels. - 1 Corinthians 6:3"

haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours - they believe the heavenly ressurected ones are going to be higher beings than angels, they believe the heavenly resurrected will not resurrect as an angel but as an higher being. What is the dog going to do now? Will you stay loyal to your masters and admit that believing the heavenly ressurected will become angels is false? Are you going to be egoistic, disown your governing bodies?
If you are taking your answers back, declare! if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being will the heavenly ressurected become?
Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being has the Lord of the heavenly ressurected become?
haddeylium, i did warn you - in the quest for truth you will be needing a lot of wisdom, let's see the one you have - that of mere men or of God
Either you are wrong or your organization is wrong, it's a win-win situation for the servant to truth.

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1. The being that is going to sit on the throne of David forever cannot be an angel!
For God himself has sworn
Acts 2:30 - "Therefore (David) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne
Jeremiah 33:17 -"For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel'

Hey beloved, Jesus the Christ never sat on the throne of David in his first coming, so there is no room for peddling the falsehood that the verse was talking about Jesus first coming.
O ye that proclaim Jesus an angelic creature, do show whose wisdom is in you - that of the Antichrist or of God. Does an angel have flesh? How then can an angelic creature sit on the throne of David? Declare if you have wisdom in you - Which creature will sit on the throne of the house of Israel forever.
If Christ Jesus resurrected remained an angelic creature forever, he will never be the one to sit on that throne.

2. The world to come is not subjected to any angelic creature or creatures
Hebrews 2:5 - "For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak"
The Lord of the earth cannot be an angelic creature neither can the heavenly resurrected be angels. If the supposed lord of the earth is an angelic creature, the scripture said the world is not given to angels, if he remains an angel, the world to come will never be subjected to him.
The scripture said we are heirs of God, and Joint heirs with Christ, if we (who the world to come is subjected to) become angels, then the scripture is not fulfilled and God is a liar. God forbid!
If Christ resurrected as an angelic creature, he will never inherit the promise and God will be a liar.

3. The heavenly resurrected (at least) will become greater than every angelic creature. If Christ remain an angelic creature, then the least of the heavenly resurrected ones will be greater than Christ
For the psalmist testified of this, saying
Psalms 8:4-7
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5. For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet
For the promise and the good news above was not for any angel but for man (generally) and the last Adam (specifically), if the ones to receive this promise then become angels - is salvation not a joke?

There are more bullets to shoot but ye are dull of hearing, for if thou art not convicted in the plain words of God, how shall thou then understand the hard meat?

Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being did Christ Jesus ressurect as?
Gird up thy loins and answer me, ye that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge - did God subject the new world to angels or to man?
Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - Does our high priest abide as an angelic creature forever?

Truth has caught up with falsehood, no tongue that speaketh in error shall be able to gainsay.

Grace and truth.
cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

[/b]"haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours"[b]

More than 90% of what the Nland GB are posting are at variance with the coming from Nyork GB.

But they don't hesitate to tell us "JWs are saying the same thing everywhere"

"JWs are the same everywhere"

Lol...!

Blabbermouth:
LMAO! You knocked out the senior marketer of JW org, nairaland branch.

Achorladey, dey pity am small small na

No be wen pesin pity imsef you go pity am.

KNOWMORE56:
[/b]"haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours"[b]
More than 90% of what the Nland GB are posting are at variance with the coming from Nyork GB.
But they don't hesitate to tell us "JWs are saying the same thing everywhere"
"JWs are the same everywhere"
Lol...!

Do you still remember how Jesus updated John's teaching regarding ritual fasting? {Matthew 9:14-17} or you're thinking John was a fake Prophet simply because Jesus updated John's teaching? Matthew 11:11

Well that's how "the light is getting brighter" in true FAITH! Proverbs 4:18

So whatever you here from any JW now is the latest update!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you still remember how Jesus updated John's teaching regarding ritual fasting? {Matthew 9:14-17} or you're thinking John was a fake Prophet simply because Jesus updated John's teaching? Matthew 11:11

Well that's how "the light is getting brighter" in true FAITH! Proverbs 4:18

So whatever you here from any JW now is the latest update!

No be lie more THE LIGHT IS GETTING BRIGHTER


now the brightest light is showing that Jesus resurrected as human being.

KNOWMORE56:
No be lie more THE LIGHT IS GETTING BRIGHTER
now the brightest light is showing that Jesus resurrected as human being.

My guy, just go and make disciples for your God, it's not by force JWs accept you as worshipers of our own God!
Jesus' main focus was the Born Again or Spiritual Jews or Anointed brothers. That's why he said he didn't come for anyone else but for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 15:24
The rest of Mankind that will be resurrected in the flesh are those taking part in the second resurrection, Jesus referred to us as the "other sheep" John 10:16
So it's only the Born Again that will be resurrected in spirit like him, but billions others will be resurrected in the flesh just as Jesus did with Lazarus! John 11:43-44
If you're not satisfied with that go out there, preach and teach what you know so as to make disciples for your own God, No Wahala!

Judgement Day
Ressurect guys, our king is here!

Spokesman 1: This is how the judgement will go; first, you will all assemble according to the group you belong to on earth. Do you understand?
Everyone: Yes sir.

Everyone assembling to the group they belong.

Spokesman 2: Members of Jehovah's witnesses, assemble here.
JW: Yes sir.

Spokesman 2: Redeemers, come here. Catholics, stay here.
Redeemers: Yes sir.
Catholic members: Yes sir.

Everyone assembled according to the group they belong; Muslims, Jews, Buddhist as well

Spokesman 3: Who are these ones without a group?
Peter (speaking for the rest): Sir, we are followers of Christ, to him we belong.
Spokesman 3: So you mean you are not a JW, Catholic, or redeem member?
Peter: Yes sir.

After a lengthy soft discussion between the spokesmen?
Spokesman 1: The rest of you, you will die (be annihilated) only 144,000 JW will go with Christ, the rest of them will inhabit the earth.

JW: hurray!
Redeemers: What? But we believe in Jesus nah!
Spokesman 2: C'mon shattap! The only true followers of Jesus are JW
Living faith members: What? We nko?
Spokesman 2: Ear dey pain you? I say you will be annihilated.
Oya, those of you to be annihilated follow spokesman 3, he will take you to where you will die.
Peter: We nko?
Spokesman 1: No sir, you've enjoyed free bread and fish when you were on earth. You don't belong to JW, follow them and die.

Paul: haba! I died single because of Christ na.... Na so me sef go die?

Spokesman 1: Yes o! You for wait make C.T.Russell found the JW org first before you start your faith race. You just became eunuch for nothing.

Except the JW members, every other man was annihilated (Them no even respect blabbermouth, the guy no wan gree go, na hin dem bounce am commot )

Part 2 is coming soon! Watch out....

[quote author=Blabbermouth post=94646795]

he one who was made a little lower than the angels was also the same man that GOD subjected everything to, gave honor and set him over the works of his hands -
Who was that?
Man! Christ Jesus! The son of man!
don't care what he was before he came to earthwhen he was glorified, he was glorified as a son of man not an angel!
Except you will argue that the Son of man is not a man but an angel - that is to say, Christ Jesus never came to earth as a man but an angel.
Go on, take shelter there, hahahahahahaha.

One of the key to understanding the Bible is having the right attitude. If you don't humble yourself (Ja 4:6) and allows God's people to teach, you would just chasing shadows.

This conversation about Jesus prehuman existence you don't want to have is the key to light your delusion...You don't care about why Jesus have to die and how it was done... pathetic!

© “His own self bare our sins in his own body (1 Peter 2:​24)...He bare this mankind's sin on his human's body and sacrificed it (1 Corinthians 5:7) after which he was resurrected as Spirit (1 pet 3:18)
And in his prayer, he begged God to restore him with the glory he has before the world was(John 17:5) as the image of God (Colossians 1:15)

Heb 1:3-i[b]ahe is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being,[/b] and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Under God's inspiration after Jesus'resurrection, apostle Paul penned this part of the scriptures down.
Since Jehovah God is a spirit without flesh, his Son who is now resurrected as Spirit and being is exact image of his can't be with flesh!...
Jesus is resurrected to be in God's form (Phippians 2:6)
So, whatever form Jehovah is, so is Jesus.

Bartimus!
Luke 22:69
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God
This was post ressurection! What kind of being was sitting at the right hand of the power of God? A Man!
Perhaps, you can say Jesus was joking or he drank too much wine when he made that statement,
When was that? After ressurection or during his time on earth?

Jesus is not just Son of man, but also Son of David(Matt 1:1)
That expression shows that Jesus indeed become flesh in his birth(John 1:14) ...He didn't materialized his human state like some Angels do.
Jesus as Son of man/son of David emphasis his right as when he was in fleshy state to be the heir to the kingdom in David line as successor.
As virtue of being the Son of man, he's now reigning as the
Messianic King .

I don't care if he was angel Michael before his time on earth, but after ressurection, the being he became cannot be an angel!

You're not ready
1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:28,29.
Don't read but study it prayerfully

The spirit of wisdom has enlightened you - He is a new man, the King to sit on the throne of Israel forever.
The apple of God's eye in all his creations is man - that was what amused David.
Humble yourself and learn - Many angels also needed redemption! If Angelic creatures were the deal, the savior would have become an angel, if he was already one (perhaps Michael), he will remain an angel and just go on with the works of salvation.
However, it was written in the scriptures - He took not the nature of an angel but flesh-and-blood.....

Yunno, it's so bold of you to assume Jesus is a Man in heaven with flesh and blood[b]
You sef reason am...e make sense

When Jesus was on Earth , He was to be lower than the Angels.(Ps. 8:4, 5; Heb. 2:9
Philippians 2:7 -but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
Humans with flesh are lower than the Angels (it's a comparison to being slave).
Are you saying Jesus Christ, the King , would remain in human body of flesh?...what a Joke you're.
Heaven is a spirit realm for spirit person without human body or flesh; it's this Earth Jehovah created for fleshy Man( Isa. 45:12,18)

know this today!

KNOWMORE56:
[/b]"haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours"[b]

More than 90% of what the Nland GB are posting are at variance with the coming from Nyork GB.

But they don't hesitate to tell us "JWs are saying the same thing everywhere"

"JWs are the same everywhere"

Lol...!

it's a sight to see Ex-Jw, churchgoers, freethinker, independent religionist leaving out their conflicting doctrines and making compromise to come together against Jw.
That's the effect of having the same line of thought.

Why am I not surprised, even tho those 450 Baal worshippee worship different gods , they come together to fight Elijah cos' he told them. He's the only one "worshipping the true God".
The Pharisee and the Sadducees have conflicting doctrines but they reach agreement when it comes to Jesus because he told them the same thing

That's same thing Jehovah's witnesses is telling you today. There's just one truth and it's with this God's people
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

haddeylium:
...

I hope you realized you did not make a point.
I'm in my joker mood tonight, so we won't discuss the matter today.
Now you see, you still don't understand
1. what / who the NEW MAN is
2. The old man is lesser than an angel but the new man (in his glory) is higher than every angel - that includes angel Michael.
3. 1 Thesis 4:16, the archangel's voice was not associated with the ressuection of the dead. There is something I will show you.
4. Do you know why Jesus intentionally said - Flesh and bones? No, if you do, you will understand that the new man's body is not like the old man's.
5. All I've said will never sink because you belong to a group that has put a slave chain on your neck and brainwashed you to eat whatever it feeds you.
To be honest, the GB is your God, not Jehovah.

If I'm inspired to, I will address your response well and elaborate on the above points - however, I'm discouraged, as you are restrained from ever grasping this. If you do publicly, your JW brothers will disfellowship you.
That's a big blow, we would have converged in truth already.

PS: Don't mind my aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth.

Goodnight Haddey.

haddeylium:
it's a sight to see Ex-Jw, churchgoers, freethinker, independent religionist leaving out their conflicting doctrines and making compromise to come together against Jw.
That's the effect of having the same line of thought.

Why am I not surprised, even tho those 450 Baal worshippee worship different gods , they come together to fight Elijah cos' he told them. He's the only one "worshipping the true God".
The Pharisee and the Sadducees have conflicting doctrines but they reach agreement when it comes to Jesus because he told them the same thing

That's same thing Jehovah's witnesses is telling you today. There's just one truth and it's with this God's people
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

In summary, Whoever is not on the side of Jehovah and Jesus IS AGAINST the truth. Matthew 12:30, John 18:37

Saw one of Blabbermouth's comments, I'll paraphrase: ‘I'll think of joining JWs if so so and so happens’

I wonder where he got the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are begging him or whether we're looking for members who won't subscribe to Bible standards.
Despite the fact that Jehovah's promise for salvation and everlasting life is open to all(1Timothy 2:4, Revelation 22:17), Jehovah takes note of each individual and if one has endearing qualities, He draws such ones to the truth.(John 6:44, 1Corinthians 3:6)

So he should know that it's not just for the random Tom and Harry since God's standards are very high. We mean serious business when we preach looking for Jehovah's lost sheep.(Matthew 10:6)

DappaD:
In summary, Whoever is not on the side of Jehovah and Jesus IS AGAINST the truth. Matthew 12:30, John 18:37

Saw one of Blabbermouth's comments, I'll paraphrase: ‘I'll think of joining JWs if so so and so happens’

I wonder where he got the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are begging him or whether we're looking for members who won't subscribe to Bible standards.
Despite the fact that Jehovah's promise for salvation and everlasting life is open to all(1Timothy 2:4, Revelation 22:17), Jehovah takes note of each individual and if one has endearing qualities, He draws such ones to the truth.(John 6:44, 1Corinthians 3:6)

So he should know that it's not just for the random Tom and Harry since God's standards are very high. We mean serious business when we preach looking for Jehovah's lost sheep.(Matthew 10:6)

Max knew I was pulling his legs, as he will never find what I asked him to go search for.

Like I said bro, you are not in God's plan, Just like every other denominations.
I repeat - your group is not/was not/ will never be God's plan.

haddeylium:
it's a sight to see Ex-Jw, churchgoers, freethinker, independent religionist leaving out their conflicting doctrines and making compromise to come together against Jw.
That's the effect of having the same line of thought.

Independent Christians like - Peter, Paul, Blabbermouth and co. do not have conflicting doctrines.
John 3:16 - *Anyone* that believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

If only he said - Anyone that does not believe in the group of Charles Russell, he will not have everlasting life; then we won't be having your type doing cheap marketing for your group.

Blabbermouth:
Max knew I was pulling his legs, as he will never find what I asked him to go search for.

Like I said bro, you are not in God's plan, Just like every other denominations.
I repeat - your group is not/was not/ will never be God's plan.

If that's the thinking that helps you sleep well at night, by all means have at it.

achorladey:
If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16


what you need is ANYONE in that same anyone carries ALL NONE JWS




I know you can see the little my eyes can see

Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues!


Distraction mode into what was asked



we did many things in your name" then[b] I will[/b] say to them "I never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity


Answer me the Max that has EYES and EARS who is the I in Matthew 7: 21-23

A. MaxInDHouse

B. Achorladey

C. Jesus Christ

D. Jehovah

I await the response

Matthew 7:21-23, Achorladey is it the will of the "I" or his Father's will?

John 7:16 . John 15:15 whose command, doctrine did Jesus Christ teach?

Acts15:14
“Shimeon has related to you how God began to choose from the Gentiles a people for his name.”


Has Jehovah chosen you for His name?
2 Chro7:14 is in holy wedlock with Acts 15:14.
Don't forget that.

Before you shout Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Acts3:13. John 20:17. Isaiah 43:10-12.
Remember whom Jesus Christ is worshipping.


Each of you, Blabbermouth, Achorladey, Shadeyinka etc, are of diverse shades of beliefs and opinions,
Matthew 7:21-23 & John 3:16 leads you to Acts 15:14.

Shikena.

Achorladey and others no dey DECEIVE yourselves

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achorladey:
If the Jesus could say "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in him might be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

what you need is ANYONE in that same anyone carries ALL NONE JWS

I know you can see the little my eyes can see

Definitely there must be a way to IDENTIFY the group practicing what Jesus taught back then, no matter how Satan tries to complicate issues!

Distraction mode into what was asked

we did many things in your name" then[b] I will[/b] say to them "I never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity

Answer me the Max that has EYES and EARS who is the I in Matthew 7: 21-23

A. MaxInDHouse

B. Achorladey

C. Jesus Christ

D. Jehovah

I await the response

... and the answer is:
C. Jesus Christ

Blabbermouth:
I hope you realized you did not make a point.
I'm in my joker mood tonight, so we won't discuss the matter today.
Now you see, you still don't understand
1. what/who the NEW MAN is
2. The old man is lesser than an angel but the new man (in his glory) is higher than every angel - that includes angel Michael.
3. 1 Thesis 4:16, the archangel's voice was not associated with the ressuection of the dead. There is something I will show you.
4. Do you know why Jesus intentionally said - Flesh and bones? No, if you do, you will understand that the new man's body is not like the old man's.
5. All I've said will never sink because you belong to a group that has put a slave chain on your neck and brainwashed you to eat whatever it feeds you.
To be honest, the GB is your God, not Jehovah

These are thunderous five uppercuts gone in there, lmso. Now imagine Haddeylium trying to get up from the canvas and beat the ten sec count, after them mean barrages of five right hand hooks, lmso

Blabbermouth:
If I'm inspired to, I will address your response well and elaborate on the above points - however, I'm discouraged, as you are restrained from ever grasping this. If you do publicly, your JW brothers will disfellowship you.
That's a big blow, we would have converged in truth already.

Oh dear. "disfellowship" kẹ?

Blabbermouth:
PS: Don't mind my aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth.

Goodnight Haddey.

Oh, that " ... aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth" is what's in the house, is called the utilisation of "tough love" approach nah, lmso

MuttleyLaff:
... and the answer is:
C. Jesus Christ

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"

"I" (Jesus) says he is obeying the order form Above. No DECEIVE yourself

Blabbermouth:
I hope you realized you did not make a point.
I'm in my joker mood tonight, so we won't discuss the matter today.
Now you see, you still don't understand
1. what / who the NEW MAN is
2. The old man is lesser than an angel but the new man (in his glory) is higher than every angel - that includes angel Michael.
3. 1 Thesis 4:16, the archangel's voice was not associated with the ressuection of the dead. There is something I will show you.
4. Do you know why Jesus intentionally said - Flesh and bones? No, if you do, you will understand that the new man's body is not like the old man's.
5. All I've said will never sink because you belong to a group that has put a slave chain on your neck and brainwashed you to eat whatever it feeds you.
To be honest, the GB is your God, not Jehovah.

If I'm inspired to, I will address your response well and elaborate on the above points - however, I'm discouraged, as you are restrained from ever grasping this. If you do publicly, your JW brothers will disfellowship you.
That's a big blow, we would have converged in truth already.

PS: Don't mind my aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth.

Goodnight Haddey.

Vintage dishonesty from Blabbermouth.


Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.


Matthew 24:31
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, [/b]and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.

[b]
1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead--Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.
.

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels

In his glorified state, he would still lead angels to perform the task of the archangel. Don't forget that.

It's like saying that a Medical Doctor will not perform surgery again because he has been elevated to a Consultant.

1 Thess 4:16
New Living Translation
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves.
Compare John 5:25
Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live

Haddeylium
One of the key to understanding the Bible is having the right attitude. If you don't humble yourself (Ja 4:6) and allows God's people to teach, you would just chasing shadows.

Your group is not in God's plan.

This conversation about Jesus prehuman existence you don't want to have is the key to light your delusion...You don't care about why Jesus have to die and how it was done... pathetic!

There are sacred things, hard things the Lord shares with you as a result of your personal dealings with him, many of them are not for public consumption but for private edification and exhortation.
There was this thread I created titled "Does God really know the future?", the essence of that discussion was something meant for my private dealing, not for teaching or preaching. My interlocutors were not able to prove me wrong, and did not negate the points I raised, yet they will not come to terms with the end of the matter, as it doesn't gel well with their own perspective of God.

The same is the reason why I don't discuss/ want to discuss Christ's pre -earthly era, I stick with essence now than try to prove points.

© “His own self bare our sins in his own body (1 Peter 2:​24)...He bare this mankind's sin on his human's body and sacrificed it (1 Corinthians 5:7) after which he was resurrected as Spirit (1 pet 3:18)

As spirit? No problem. What kind of being?

And in his prayer, he begged God to restore him with the glory he has before the world was(John 17:5) as the image of God (Colossians 1:15)

Hey beloved, you must understand that Christ Jesus on earth was the image of God. His prayer in John 17:5 was not to be restored as the image of God, No! He has always been the image of God.
I will show you now....

Heb 1:3- he is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Out-of-context interpretation is not a good thing, be warned!
Hebrews 1:2
"Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a son"
When was this? During Christ's earthly ministry! So the verse continued in an expository manner - who being the reflection of his glory, express image of his person..... (still in Christ's journey on earth)
Then the writer probed further saying - .. And AFTER he had made a purification for our sins (Bridge between the earthly era and post ressurection) , he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High (Here, the writer is now on post earth era, post ressurection).

Under God's inspiration after Jesus'resurrection, apostle Paul penned this part of the scriptures down.
Since Jehovah God is a spirit without flesh, his Son who is now resurrected as Spirit and being is exact image of his can't be with flesh!...

Will you stop this false eisegesis please?! Let the scripture lead you, don't try to tame the truth!

The image of God in that context is not how he looks like, it is WHO HE IS .... You know, Holy, righteous, and all that.
A translation puts it saying - he is the express image of his PERSON.

Jesus is resurrected to be in God's form (Phippians 2:6)

So, whatever form Jehovah is, so is Jesus.[/quote]So, he became God Almighty? The only similarity angels share with God is that they are also spirit beings, that's it. If we are to take God in full form of how he is, and who he is - then you should be ready to dance to the tune of Trinity. Be warned!

Jesus is not just Son of man, but also Son of David(Matt 1:1)

That expression shows that Jesus indeed become flesh in his birth(John 1:14) ...He didn't materialized his human state like some Angels do.

Jesus as Son of man/son of David emphasis his right as when he was in fleshy state to be the heir to the kingdom in David line as successor.

As virtue of being the Son of man, he's now reigning as the

Messianic King.

Look at that part of your message I bolded, can you see you are still using a present continuous tense? Oh Glory, the truth will always prevail.

To operate the messianic kingship, he must continue to be a son of man.

You're not ready

1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:28,29.

Don't read but study it prayerfully

The belief of Jesus being angel Michael, rides on the wings of if X=Y, and Y has a relationship with Z, who knows? X can be = Z.

Let me pay you in your coin.
John 5:28 "Marvel not, for the hour is coming when those in the grave will hear his voice, they shall be ressurected, some ressurected unto life, and some ressurected unto.destruction"

1 Corinthians 15:52
"In a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible and we will be changed"
According to the way of forceful eisegesis and logical blasphemy (which my JW brothers love when it suits them)
Since
1. The voice of Christ will raise the dead.
2. The trump of God sounded and the dead rose
We can say;
3. The voice there was the trump of God
4. Jesus is the trumpet.
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
That aside;
1 Thess 4:16
Because the Lord himself will descend from heaven
1. With a commanding call ("a shout" as some other translation put it)
QUESTION: Whose call or whose shout is that?
2. An archangel's voice
3. God's trumpet (The trump of God)

Now you see - 1 Thess 4:16 is not a safe haven for your ***** *******

PS: No where was the voice of the an archangel specifically associated with the ressurection of the dead.

Yunno, it's so bold of you to assume Jesus is a Man in heaven with flesh and blood[b]

You sef reason am...e make sense grin

Flesh and blood? God forbid!

When Jesus was on Earth , He was to be lower than the Angels.(Ps. 8:4, 5; Heb. 2:9wink

Philippians 2:7 -but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.

Humans with flesh are lower than the Angels (it's a comparison to being slave).

Are you saying Jesus Christ, the King , would remain in human body of flesh?...what a Joke you're.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come.
That is the little piece of information you still miss, Christ Jesus ressurected as a NEW MAN, A NEW CREATION! GLORY!

Here was Paul doing a bit of explorative differentiation between the two kind, or model of man
1 Corinthians 2:14-15
But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.
15. However [u]the spiritual man[/b] examines all things but he himself is not examined by an man.

2. The physical body is for the physical man, while the spiritual body is for the spiritual man (in his glory)!

That was why John said - We (spiritual men) know not (for now) what we shall become, but we know we shall be like him (the first spiritual man) - well, that's when he comes in his glory.

Christ confirmed this when he said to his disciples -
Luke 24:26
"Was it not necessary for Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?
Whose glory? The glory of Christ!

Now, let me deviate a bit and say something that is of much essence;
The office of " The Christ " was an office meant and designed for a man. Thus, even in his glory, the Christ remained a man - howbeit, a glorified man!

Now here is an open mystery - Christ said specifically of the kind of body he now has - FLESH & BONES. What message was he passing?

Heaven is a spirit realm for spirit person without human body or flesh; it's this Earth Jehovah created for fleshy Man( Isa. 45:12,18)

The NEW MAN is a spirit person!
The body of the NEW MAN is adapted for the heavens, yea, even the heaven of heavens!

I would not need to say all these If you yield to the spirit of truth and read Acts chapter 2 and 7.
Read it haddeylium, you will be blessed with the revelation of who Christ Jesus ressurected is.

Janosky:
...

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My eyes are sleepy already, I will be back.

Janosky:
Matthew 7:21-23
²¹ “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
²² On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
²³ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"

"I" (Jesus) says He is obeying the order form Above. No DECEIVE yourself

"²⁴That is why I told you that you will die in your sins,
for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins.""
- John 8:24

"³²But Jesus responded,
“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
³³“We are not stoning You for any good work, said the Jews, “but for blasphemy,
because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."
- John 10:32-33

Janosky, customer mi, daada ni, need I go on? Need I say more?

I'll you what for free, lmso. Your stumbling block is not grasping at all the meaning and/or implication of the Greek word , lmso, "exercomai" (i.e. come (forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), to go or come forth of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or the point from which one departs)

Dont worry Janosky, you'll sooner or later, drop those stones in your hand, lmso, when you realise that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, had always revealed Himself God, lmso

Janosky:
Vintage dishonesty from Blabbermouth.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels[/b], and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

Matthew 24:31
[I]And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, [/b]and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.[/i]

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.[/I]

1 Thessalonians 1:10
[i]and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead--Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels

In his glorified state, he would still lead angels to perform the task of the archangel. Don't forget that.

It's like saying that a Medical Doctor will not perform surgery again because he is elevated to a Consultant.

1 Thess 4:16 New Living Translation
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves.

Compare John 5:25
Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live

Why couldn't you respond to Blabbermouth's post using the same numbered style and format he used, so it is known what you've replied to, instead of resorting to all this jumbling, no head, no tail confused dot com and proof-texting response, reeking of dishonesty, rascality and insincerity, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Oh dear. "disfellowship" kẹ?

His spirit life force is willing, but his flesh is weak - LMAO..

Oh, that " ... aggressive tone and intense words when we discussed yesterday - it was needed to drive home the truth" is what's in the house, is called the utilisation of "tough love" approach nah, lmso

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Blabbermouth:
Your group is not in God's plan.

There are sacred things, hard things the Lord shares with you as a result of your personal dealings with him, many of them are not for public consumption but for private edification and exhortation.
There was this thread I created titled "Does God really know the future?", the essence of that discussion was something meant for my private dealing, not for teaching or preaching. My interlocutors were not able to prove me wrong, and did not negate the points I raised, yet they will not come to terms with the end of the matter, as it doesn't gel well with their own perspective of God.

The same is the reason why I don't discuss/ want to discuss Christ's pre -earthly era, I stick with essence now than try to prove points.

As spirit? No problem. What kind of being?

Hey beloved, you must understand that Christ Jesus on earth was the image of God. His prayer in John 17:5 was not to be restored as the image of God, No! He has always been the image of God.
I will show you now....

Out-of-context interpretation is not a good thing, be warned!
Hebrews 1:2
"Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a son"
When was this? During Christ's earthly ministry! So the verse continued in an expository manner - who being the reflection of his glory, express image of his person..... (still in Christ's journey on earth)
Then the writer probed further saying - .. And AFTER he had made a purification for our sins (Bridge between the earthly era and post ressurection) , he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High (Here, the writer is now on post earth era, post ressurection).

Will you stop this false eisegesis please?! Let the scripture lead you, don't try to tame the truth!

The image of God in that context is not how he looks like, it is WHO HE IS .... You know, Holy, righteous, and all that.
A translation puts it saying - he is the express image of his PERSON.

So, whatever form Jehovah is, so is Jesus.
So, he became God Almighty? The only similarity angels share with God is that they are also spirit beings, that's it. If we are to take God in full form of how he is, and who he is - then you should be ready to dance to the tune of Trinity. Be warned!




Jesus is not just Son of man, but also Son of David(Matt 1:1)

That expression shows that Jesus indeed become flesh in his birth(John 1:14) ...He didn't materialized his human state like some Angels do.

Jesus as Son of man/son of David emphasis his right as when he was in fleshy state to be the heir to the kingdom in David line as successor.

As virtue of being the Son of man, he's now reigning as the

Messianic King.
Look at that part of your message I bolded, can you see you are still using a present continuous tense? Oh Glory, the truth will always prevail.

To operate the messianic kingship, he must continue to be a son of man.

You're not ready

1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:28,29.

Don't read but study it prayerfully
The belief of Jesus being angel Michael, rides on the wings of if X=Y, and Y has a relationship with Z, who knows? X can be = Z.

Let me pay you in your coin.
John 5:28 "Marvel not, for the hour is coming when those in the grave will hear his voice, they shall be ressurected, some ressurected unto life, and some ressurected unto.destruction"

1 Corinthians 15:52
"In a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible and we will be changed"
According to the way of forceful eisegesis and mathematical blasphemy.
Since
1. The voice of Christ will raise the dead.
2. The trump of God sounded and the dead rose
We can say;
3. The voice there was the trump of God
4. Jesus is the trumpet.
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
That aside;
1 Thess 4:16
Because the Lord himself will descend from heaven
1. With a commanding call ("a shout" as some other translation put it)
QUESTION: Whose call or whose shout is that?
2. An archangel's voice
3. God's trumpet (The trump of God)

Now you see - 1 Thess 4:16 is not a safe haven for your ***** *******

PS: No where was the voice of the an archangel specifically associated with the ressurection of the dead.

Yunno, it's so bold of you to assume Jesus is a Man in heaven with flesh and blood[b]

You sef reason am...e make sense grin
Flesh and blood? God forbid!

When Jesus was on Earth , He was to be lower than the Angels.(Ps. 8:4, 5; Heb. 2:9wink

Philippians 2:7 -but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.

Humans with flesh are lower than the Angels (it's a comparison to being slave).

Are you saying Jesus Christ, the King , would remain in human body of flesh?...what a Joke you're.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come.
That is the little piece of information you still miss, Christ Jesus ressurected as a NEW MAN, A NEW CREATION! GLORY!

Here was Paul doing a bit of explorative differentiation between the two kind, or model of man
1 Corinthians 2:14-15
But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.
15. However [u]the spiritual man[/b] examines all things but he himself is not examined by an man.

2. The physical body is for the physical man, while the spiritual body is for the spiritual man (in his glory)!

That was why John said - We (spiritual men) know not (for now) what we shall become, but we know we shall be like him (the first spiritual man) - well, that's when he comes in his glory.

Christ confirmed this when he said to his disciples -
Luke 24:26
"Was it not necessary for Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?
Whose glory? The glory of Christ!

Now, let me deviate a bit and say something that is of much essence;
The office of " The Christ " was an office meant and designed for a man. Thus, even in his glory, the Christ remained a man - howbeit, a glorified man!

Now here is an open mystery - Christ said specifically of the kind of body he now has - FLESH & BONES. Something was missing (well, from that of a common man) and has been replaced by a better substance;
1. What was missing?
2. What replaced the missing substance?

Heaven is a spirit realm for spirit person without human body or flesh; it's this Earth Jehovah created for fleshy Man( Isa. 45:12,18)
The NEW MAN is a spirit person!
The body of the NEW MAN is adapted for the heavens, yea, even the heaven of heavens!

I would not need to say all these If you yield to the spirit of truth and read Acts chapter 2 and 7.
Read it haddeylium, you will be blessed with the revelation of who Christ Jesus ressurected is.

John 17:24 puncture holes into your twist built on "new man" of 2Cor2:15-17.
Luke 24:26 & John 17:24 the glory is for heavenly dwelling with Jesus in the spirit realm.
No human body can access it.


Ephesians 4:22-24 , Colossians 3:9 goes together with 2 Corinthians 5:17, change your habits, attitude,way of life to conform to Righteous standard of God.

[quote author=Blabbermouth post=94684747]So, whatever form Jehovah is, so is Jesus.
So, he became God Almighty? The only similarity angels share with God is that they are also spirit beings, that's it. If we are to take God in full form of how he is, and who he is - then you should be ready to dance to the tune of Trinity. Be warned!

Check for the meaning of 'Form' and 'authority' in your
dictionary
Jesus, Angels have the same form as God being a spirit person but not in Authority.
Only Jehovah is Almighty

The physical body is for the physical man, while the spiritual body is for the spiritual man (in his glory)!
45:12,18)
The NEW MAN is a spirit person!
The body of the NEW MAN is adapted for the heavens, yea, even the heaven of heavens!

From your text...
Jesus as spirit person being a new creature now has a spirit' body or physical body?


Blabbermouth,you still owe this thread answers tho