haddeylium:
Spirit creatures are made of Flesh with dust
Human beings are spirit creatures
The Dead are conscious

You've committed enough blunder for a thread ...
Man, Rest!

Blabbermouth:
Kiss this again:
John 4:24
God is spirit, those that worship must worship with spirit and truth

This kind of worship happens in heaven! Be my guest, tell me how a man that does not have spirit can worship a spirit God in spirit.

Truth has caught up with falsehood today, no lying tongue shall be able to gainsay.

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Run into the crowds, you will meet me there. Hide in a ceiling, you will meet me there. Commit suicide, you will meet me in your grave. Cover yourself with thick darkness, you still will meet me there.

MuttleyLaff:

With you doing the Psalm 139:7-8 and Jeremiah 23:24 styling, hmm ... then you Blabbermouth are trying to a la carte Genesis 3:5 be like God ... lmso

Blabbermouth:


**1)
I read John 17:24 and I laughed out loud. Here is what to do - write out John 17:24, Luke 24:26 and explain (in details please) how it punctures a hole in the truth.

**2
Let's see how long cunning gainsaying can last.

Change your habits, attitude, way of life to conform to Righteousness standard of God - all these are the core teachings of Confucianism, yet it doesn't make a confucainist a NEW MAN! Glory!

Change you habits, attitude, way of life to conform to Righteousness standard of God - Do all these without Christ and you will still be annihilated. It doesn't make you a NEW MAN!

You still don't know who the NEW MAN is!
PS: I ought to reply differently with numerous scriptures and truthful and essential exegesis, but then, I will hold from doing that now.

To claim your New Man is a spirit person is as DUBIOUS as the FALSE claim that the New Earth is in spiritual realm

Blabbermouth:

Independent Christians like - Peter, Paul, Blabbermouth and co. do not have conflicting doctrines.
John 3:16 - *Anyone* that believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

If only he said - Anyone that does not believe in the group of Charles Russell, he will not have everlasting life; then we won't be having your type doing cheap marketing for your group.

MuttleyLaff:
"²⁴That is why I told you that you will die in your sins,
for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins.""
- John 8:24

"³²But Jesus responded,
“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
³³“We are not stoning You for any good work, said the Jews, “but for blasphemy,
because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."
- John 10:32-33

Janosky, customer mi, daada ni, need I go on? Need I say more?

I'll you what for free, lmso. Your stumbling block is not grasping at all the meaning and/or implication of the Greek word , lmso, "exercomai" (i.e. come (forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), to go or come forth of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or the point from which one departs)

Dont worry Janosky, you'll sooner or later, drop those stones in your hand, lmso, when you realise that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, had always revealed Himself God, lmso

Ken4Christ:


But Jesus most of the times called him Father and not Jehovah. So we too can call him father. And the name Jesus is the name that God said we should call upon.

Acts 4:10-12.
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. View more

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Blabbermouth:

I signed up for bible discussions that God through Christ can be glorified, I never knew there will be a need for short English Lessons.

Hebrews 1:2
Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a son, 1. whom he appointed heir of all things, 2. and through whom he made the system of things;

The two clauses (separated by a comma which I numbered) are called Relative/Adjectival clauses.
What do they do? They qualified (I.e Gave specific and more info. about) the noun "A son".
That is to say;
God spoke to us through a son.... It poses the question - WHICH SON? The clauses then gave us that information - The one that God appointed heir of all things, and also made the system of things through him.
Now you know the son being referred to!

Then we have a semi-colon ( ; ). I hope you know what it does - to then enumerate on the subject of discussion situated before the colon I.e. The son.

Hebrews 1:3
He (That son) is the reflection of God's glory and the exact representation of his very being .....

Like I said, the image there was not on HOW GOD LOOKS LIKE, but it's on WHO HE IS....

Now, hear the master himself speak on the matter:
John 14:8-9
8. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us
9. Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou, show us the Father?
Jesus spoke this in flesh and blood!
Going by the error you are dearly sticking to, can we then say
1. God has flesh and blood, since he is just like Jesus in image and Jesus is just like him.
2. God has beards, two hands, two legs, a circumised penis et all
God forbid!

Christ Jesus said - seeing him is equal to seeing the father, because He (Christ) is his father's exact image!

You see that now, the "exact representation of his very being/ express image of his person" is in context referring to WHO GOD IS, not HOW HE LOOKS
PS: Christ Jesus was, Christ Jesus is, Christ Jesus will continue to be the exact representation of his very being.

Before earth
On earth
After ascension
He has been and always will be - the express image of His (God's) Person.

Truth!

Blabbermouth:

Kiss this again;
John 4:24
God is spirit, those that worship must worship with spirit and truth

This kind of worship happens in heaven! Be my guest, tell me how a man (that DOES NOT HAVE SPIRIT) can worship a SPIRIT God in SPIRIT.

Truth has caught up with falsehood today, no lying tongue shall be able to gainsay.

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Run into the crowds, you will meet me there. Hide in a ceiling, you will meet me there. Commit suicide, you will meet me in your grave. Cover yourself with thick darkness, you still will meet me there.

Blabbermouth:
What does the man Blabbermouth know? What wisdom hath he?
Is it not from the measure of the wisdom he hath from God he speaketh with? To whom then does the honor belong? To Blabbermouth or to the giver of spiritual understanding and wisdom?

I know he reads his Bible, when he reads that portion of my message, he should know the discussion is not MAN vs MAN.

Hahahahahahaha

Janosky:
John 19:6-7, From the mouth of the Jews themselves.

Janosky:
John 10:34-36. Jesus replied Muttleylaff twisting of verses 32-33.

Janosky:
Revelation 3:5,12 Bros refused to accept Jesus Christ version of the truth.
Both of them said Muttleylaff is LYING.

Janosky:

Dishonest claim

Shebi you know your post on Isaiah 9:6 debunking the Trinity is on this public forum.

Janosky:


You still don't want to accept the truth.
John 20:17, Revelation 1:1, the Son of God in both realms is revealing the message of his Father and God to Blabbermouth.

Revelation 1:5-6. 3:5,12 , Jesus Christ is still the Son of his Father and God in heaven?

John 5:43
"I have come in my Father's name/authority."
God sent me" is everywhere in the Gospels.
Your twisting of John 14:9 is uncalled for.
A man's messenger is as himself". Go figure.
Phillipians2:6 ,Rom 8:3 the son of God in the spirit realm took on the likeness of man on earth.
In heavenly realm the son is the exact likeness of his Father.

Hebrews1:1-9 is all about Jesus Christ in the spirit realm.
Vs 2, 3. where was Jesus Christ appointed heir of all things?

Janosky:

Is the bolded rocket science?

John 4:24 = Hebrews11:6 and John 17:17/Hebrews4:12,16.

In a nutshell, in spirit - Hebrews11:6.
In truth, John 17:17/ Hebrews4:12,16/ 2Tim3:16.

Janosky:


**[b]1)
John 17:5
"Father glorify me at your side with the glory that I had before the creation of the world"

John 17:24
" Father I want those you have given me to be with me where I am,
in other that they may look upon my glory you have given me"

The Question Blabbermouth is dodging:
John 17:5,24 Where did Jesus had the glory given him before the creation?

Where will the disciples be with Jesus to " look upon my glory"?

Luke 24:26 "enter into his glory", where ?

John 17:5,24 says Blabbermouth has ZERO locus standi for his twisting of Luke 24:26.

**2.
Diversionary tactics,Bros.
What has Ephesians 4:22-24 got to do with Confusianism?

To claim your New Man is a spirit person is as DUBIOUS as the FALSE claim that the New Earth is in spiritual realm

Janosky:


John 17:6,26. Please confirm that Jesus Christ is talking to you.

Blabbermouth:


A**
Glory is not a space-defined something. If you are above angels, you are above angels on earth, in heaven, the milky way and everywhere else.
Janosky, learn something new - Glory is not a realm-dependent concept.

2. Where? No problem, I will let the Master himself speak

John 17:8
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
According to your folly of believing you are glorified in a particular place -

1B. According to the above scripture Jesus was INSIDE God before the world was created.
Jesus had the glory before the creation of the world INSIDE God!
You see your life?

2A According to Janosky's folly - Since the glory he had before the world was WAS INSIDE God, when Jesus will be glorified again with that same glory, He will be glorified inside God
You see your life again? Shey you know what the above means, don't you?

Bonus: Since the disciples will be anywhere Jesus is, and Jesus himself is going back into the father to go and reclaim his glory, the disciples will also go into the father to see Jesus' Glory
You see where your folly has led you?

Blabbermouth:

1. Glory is not a space-defined something. If you are above angels, you are above angels on earth, in heaven, the milky way and everywhere else.
Janosky, learn something new - Glory is not a realm-dependent concept.

2. Where? No problem, I will let the Master himself speak

John 17:8
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
According to your folly of believing you are glorified in a particular place -

1. According to the above scripture Jesus was INSIDE God before the world was created.
Jesus had the glory before the creation of the world INSIDE God!
You see your life?

2. According to Janosky's folly - Since the glory he had before the world was WAS INSIDE God, when Jesus will be glorified again with that same glory, He will be glorified inside God
You see your life again? Shey you know what the above means, don't you?

Bonus: Since the disciples will be anywhere Jesus is, and Jesus himself is going back into the father to go and reclaim his glory, the disciples will also go into the father to see Jesus' Glory
You see where your folly has led you?

Like I said from the beginning, in the quest for truth, you will be needing a lot of Wisdom!
Which one do you have in you? That of God or of mere men?



Anywhere he (Jesus) is.

From the moment he rose, he has begun to enter into that glory he spoke of. Newsflash! He hasn't fully entered into that said glory, as there are still things he needs to complete in his ministry.
I'm sure you don't know what " glory" is.

I do see you in other threads, many times rushing to using lexicon and Greek translations to prove a point or force a stalemate in discussions.
I thought there was much weightiness in you, and you might not just be another barrel with no content. I was wrong! I have entered you and seen there is actually nothing there.

Do you know what you are doing right now? You are trying to divert and force another argument to cover up the mess your nonsense doctrine has put you in.



Here are examples of New Man
1. Apostle Peter
2. John
3. Apostle Paul
4. Stephen.

Changing your habit, trying to live a good life, or trying to be righteous will never make you A Peter, A John, A Paul, A Stephen.

Go figure, what makes Peter - peter is not his changing of habit or his own endeavor to live a righteous life.

Tip: There are principal things the 4 of them share in common, dig it out yourself and you will knwo who the NEW MAN is and what He is made of.

I could have taken my time to expound the NEW MAN to you, but then, it will just be giving a herbivorous animal some meat.

PS: You are boring, I won't reply you again.

Corinthians 15:44
44They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

45The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.”h But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

50What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever."


[b]John 17:4-5,24, Jesus Christ is saying that Blabbermouth New Man is spirit theory is a well packaged scam.
According to John 17:4-5,24 the Bros is saying that God and Jesus are New Mens.

1 Corinthians 15:44-45,50
Your New Man FRAUD have been convincingly Exposed forever.

Ken4Christ:


Did the Scripture there said that his name is Jehovah?

Ken4Christ:
Did the Scripture there said that his name is Jehovah?

Janosky:
Please quote Psalms 83:18 and Exodus 6:3 from your old KJV Bible, if you still get liver.

MuttleyLaff:


"May they know that You alone-- whose name is Yahweh-- are the Most High over all the earth."
- Psalms 83:18

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them."
- Exodus 6:3

There you easily have it. done. Now, if you equally have liver, strong liver that is, like we do have, not a lilly livered one, you defo have, then provide scripture anywhere said that His name is the artificial Latinized name Jehovah, lmso

Janosky:


Please quote Psalms 83:18 and Exodus 6:3 from your old KJV Bible,if you still get liver.

Ken4Christ:
When Moses asked him what he will tell Pharaoh if demands for who sent him

Ken4Christ:
what did God answer Moses?

Ken4Christ:
Why didn't he say that Jehovah sent him?

Ken4Christ:
All of God's name is wrapped up now in the name of Jesus.
Pls upgrade your knowledge.

MuttleyLaff:


"May they know that You alone-- whose name is Yahweh-- are the Most High over all the earth."
- Psalms 83:18

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them."
- Exodus 6:3

There you easily have it. done. Now, if you equally have liver, strong liver that is, like we do have, not a lilly livered one, you defo have, then provide scripture anywhere said that His name is the artificial Latinized name Jehovah, lmso

haddeylium:
I would commend you for using Almighty God personal name.
Which means' I am what I am / I'll be become what I'll become.

One thing is, no one is certain of the original pronunciation of this name
Yahweh is the transliteration form of the name while Jehovah is the translational form of God's personal name.( Jesus, Jeremiah, Elijah, Jacob and others are translated too in this manner)

So, whether Latinized or not, the important thing is the usage of God's personal name in whatever languages (I'll become what I'll become)

haddeylium:
... Joy in English is Ayo Yoruba. Different spelling and pronunciation but that doesn't make Ayo in Yoruba less Happiness.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=94818231]Please don't fool yourself, tell them that "I AM what I AM or I'll be become what I'll become" sent you, is not God's personal name abeggyYHWH, the Tetragrammaton, which is a composition of those four YHWH letters, that form the Hebrew word, from which the four letters transliterated as YHWH and articulated as Yahweh, is not God's personal name

“I am Jehovah. That is my name.” (Isaiah 42: (Sm83:18)

Yakov aka Jacob was the first person, wanting to know what God's personal name is, but he met with a brick wall. Moshe aka Moses was the second person to try weasel out God's personal name, what he got in response was "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" meaning I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become.

The last person to ask similar "what is the name of God" question, was Manoah, and for his trouble, he got a: "Why do you ask My name? It is beyond understanding. You don't need to know My name. And if you did, you couldn't understand it.""

You think it is beans that the Yoruba, in capturing the essence and degree of understanding God, call Him "Eledumare" ni, hmm?. Aside the Yoruba calling God "Eledumare" or "Olodumare" they affectionately describes Him also as "Awamaridi" which when loosely translated means the "Unfathomable One" (i.e. The incapable of being fully understood One)

Fyi, "Joy" in English language, means "Ayọ" in Yoruba language, similar to how the English word, "Rejoice" means "Yọ" in Yoruba language, while "Happiness" in English language, means "Idunnu" in Yoruba language.
Joy and happiness, are wonderful emotions, we human beings experience, but the two feelings are very different to each other, in the sense that, joy satisfies the heart, in a way, that any kind/form of happiness never can (i.e. "[i] ... the [u]joy[/u

Blabbermouth:
haddeylium, what's up?

haddeylium:


Evening!

Blabbermouth:

Does Jesus abide continually as a man in heaven?