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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 1:29pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


I thought you told your friend you're not interested in chatting with JWs nah! cheesy

I can understand why a liar would avoid posting what I actually said. There you go:

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:42pm On Oct 17, 2020
haddeylium:

I understand his plight cheesy
The embarrassment that entertainment industry his causing him no be here wink

Only a JW can speak boldly when it comes to scrutiny of doctrines because we are the only group that members can defend his beliefs and confidently refer you to other members in any continent on planet earth. Try that with any other group, you'll be shocked that Pastors under the same religious group don't believe/teach the same thing! smiley

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MuttleyLaff: 1:47pm On Oct 17, 2020
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:49pm On Oct 17, 2020
Ihedinobi3:


I can understand why a liar would avoid posting what I actually said. There you go:

No wahala, just know that JWs believe we are the only group authorised to preach and teach.
So if you think you know better we'll advice you to go out there preach and teach your neighbours , we only attend to those who want to learn from us {Matthew 10:6} there is no time to waste on unnecessary arguments.

If you know you're loaded with the knowledge of God, go out there to preach and teach your neighbours what you know. PERIOD! cheesy

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 1:59pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


Mr IDon’tGetAbusiveTowardsOthers, can you explain how you came about the bolded and underlined?
Do you think it's the first time JWs are hearing all those baseless threats from your kind of people?
FYI, Jehovah our God is not a cruel tyrant who will burn people forever in a mythical hellfire as such a thing has never come to his heart before. (Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5)

As for the meaning of “lake of fire”, I think this is just a subtle ploy for you to make JWs explain to you what that actually means. Quit this cowardly, childish, sneaky act of yours and just ask us openly.



Now hold up. See. Anything you hear from me, Max, haddey or any other JW anywhere in this world about our God, Jehovah is the truth according to the Bible.
So where did you get the idea that all of us are worshipers of the same God?
Because as far as Jehovah's Witnesses as a people are concerned, we're the only worshipers of our God! Jehovah! (Micah 4:5)
The rest of you can continue worshiping your mysterious trinity idols but don't EVER make that mistake to think all of us here are worshipers of the same God.


I don't think that you and I have any disagreement over the idea that we don't worship the same God. I totally agree with you that your god is not the same as my God. But you do claim that he is the true God and you base that claim on the Bible, so you don't have the right to say that it isn't my business when you do.

I have told you before, and although I know that you don't believe me, I'll say it again: I know what you Jehovah's Witnesses teach. So unless you think I have the wrong ideas about you, I don't need you to teach me JW doctrines. I know what they are and I reject them.

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 2:06pm On Oct 17, 2020
Ihedinobi3:


I don't think that you and I have any disagreement over the idea that we don't worship the same God. I totally agree with you that your god is not the same as my God. But you do claim that he is the true God and you base that claim on the Bible, so you don't have the right to say that it isn't my business when you do.



I have told you before, and although I know that you don't believe me, I'll say it again: I know what you Jehovah's Witnesses teach. So unless you think I have the wrong ideas about you, I don't need you to teach me JW doctrines. I know what they are and I reject them.

And so what? undecidedWhat makes you special? Are you the first person to know what JWs teach? Will you be the last? undecided

I don't care/want to know or learn what you believe in since I'm quite satisfied with what I know according to the Bible. So if you like, use this your silly stand of “I already know what JWs teach, you can't tell me what they teach” Na you e concern.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:14pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


And so what? undecidedWhat makes you special? Are you the first person to know what JWs teach? Will you be the last? undecided

I don't care/want to know or learn what you believe in since I'm quite satisfied with what I know according to the Bible. So if you like, use this your silly stand of “I already know what JWs teach, you can't tell me what they teach” Na you e concern.

He knows what JWs teach and he wants to reject it, that's fine.

The fact that over 8,700,000 individuals from different races under the heavens knew the same thing and dedicated their lives to preaching and teaching JWs beliefs in their neighbourhood is enough for JWs.
Is that not why we are asking them to present the name of their religion so we can observe if there is any unique teaching binding them together as one like Jehovah's Witnesses? cheesy
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 2:21pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


He knows what JWs teach and he wants to reject it, that's fine.

The fact that over 8,700,000 individuals from different races under the heavens knew the same thing and dedicated their lives to preaching and teaching JWs beliefs in their neighbourhood is enough for JWs.
Is that not why we are asking them to present the name of their religion so we can observe if there is any unique teaching binding them together as one like Jehovah's Witnesses? cheesy

The challenge is already before him. He's a low-budget pastor according to him so let him invite to NL one or two of his church members he has seen face-to-face let us see whether they can all agree on one teaching. undecided
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 2:26pm On Oct 17, 2020
haddeylium:


Deliverance was made possible for individual Israelites only because they were associated with a divinely established group and followed the direction of this group’s appointed leaders.


In Christ ministry on Earth, he gathered people together as his disciples and dealt with them as a group.He trusted the then group to the apostles to watch over.
God’s holy spirit came upon the disciples when they were together as a group.​—Acts 2:1-4.

God has always dealt with individual as an organized group!

So, which group do you belong?

I've never seen it in the Bible that individual Israelites were delivered because of their association with the nation of Israel. I know that God promised Abraham that He would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him, and I know that He treats even unbelieving Israelites specially because they are Israelites, but the Lord has in fact been harder on Israelites than on Gentiles in the matter of holiness. Unbelieving Israelites were supposed to be stoned to death according to the Law of Moses. And when Israel did not follow that Law, the Lord still destroyed very many Israelites who sinned against him, beginning from the Exodus until the final deportation from the Land of Israel. So, I am pretty sure that you are wrong about that bit. Being part of an organization does not grant or prove salvation. In fact, it's the opposite: when you're saved, you become part of the organization that is blessed by the Lord, the Church, the Israel of God.

Only by the individual's free will exercise of faith in Jesus Christ Who is God that became Man to die for our sins is anyone saved, just as the whole Bible teaches.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18 (NKJV)

I do share fellowship with a group of fellow believers scattered around the world too, but we are not a church in the traditional sense. We are a church only in the sense of believers who gather together to encourage one another in Christ. I have said all that elsewhere and many times over. The pastor-teacher under whose ministry we are all growing spiritually and also being trained as pastor-teachers (for those of us who have the gift) is at https://ichthys.com. Some of us there also hang out at www.bibleacademyonline.com, which is an independent pastor-teaching ministry that is of very common cause with the Ichthys ministry too.

So, no, I don't believe that being part of any organization here on earth saves anybody. I don't see that in the Bible. Interestingly, all cults, including the Roman Catholic Church that your church hates too, believe the same madness. The Bible teaches that we each individually choose whether we want to be saved or not. Joining an organization is not how it teaches that that choice must be exercised either. It is only exercised by a conscious choice to trust in and submit to the Jesus revealed in the Bible.

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 2:30pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:



Lol. Spare me all of these please.
The MaxInDHouse you said you don't want to engage in a conversation with is the same person you're writing long epistle for. grin
Now that I know you're not a man of your word, nothing you say/have said can be taken seriously.

Oh LMAO, you said you're a “pastor-teacher” right? That means you have your own church right?
Can you please mention the name of your church, its stand on the ongoing topic and maybe invite one of your members to the thread let's see if you two won't contradict and even hurl insults at each other.


As I said, liars will keep on deceiving and being deceived. I obviously said that I didn't want to talk to him if he was going to remain abusive. And I choose to speak to him if it suits me to do so or not. I simply will not engage in meaningless exchanges of insults and banalities with him.

I said that I'm a pastor-teacher, not the/a leader of a cult, right? And a pastor-teacher does not necessarily have a "church." I am responsible by my gifting and ministry to explain the Bible to anyone who will listen to me or who may be benefited when I do in a given context, not to capture people and turn them into mindless slaves to everything I say.

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 2:31pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


No wahala, just know that JWs believe we are the only group authorised to preach and teach.
So if you think you know better we'll advice you to go out there preach and teach your neighbours , we only attend to those who want to learn from us {Matthew 10:6} there is no time to waste on unnecessary arguments.

If you know you're loaded with the knowledge of God, go out there to preach and teach your neighbours what you know. PERIOD! cheesy

As I said, believe whatever you want. Your conviction that it is true will not make it true, and I don't have to make it my business that you do or don't.

As for going out there, I think I have answered that nonsense plenty enough times already.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 2:33pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


And so what? undecidedWhat makes you special? Are you the first person to know what JWs teach? Will you be the last? undecided

I don't care/want to know or learn what you believe in since I'm quite satisfied with what I know according to the Bible. So if you like, use this your silly stand of “I already know what JWs teach, you can't tell me what they teach” Na you e concern.

Honestly, do you think about what you say before you say it? You are the one who claimed that I wanted you lot to teach me about the Lake of Fire. I was just answering to tell you that I don't. I already know what you teach about it.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 2:34pm On Oct 17, 2020
Ihedinobi3:


Honestly, do you think about what you say before you say it? You are the one who claimed that I wanted you lot to teach me about the Lake of Fire. I was just answering to tell you that I don't. I already know what you teach about it.

Okay.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MuttleyLaff: 3:22pm On Oct 17, 2020
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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 4:29pm On Oct 17, 2020
haddeylium:



@bolden
Nollywood has turned diswan into a clown grin

Better calm down and learn the truth ...
Free yourself from this jokes grin

I don't get the joke. Do people learn about the bible from nollywood? I dont watch it anyway.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 4:46pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


The bolded is just a feature in the movies of Olu Jacobs and Chiwetalu Agu. cheesy
It has nothing to do with the Scriptures. cheesy

You're the second person to reference nollywood. Do you people learn about scriptures from movies?

About my post
Philippians 1:22-24

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Paul here was saying that HE wanted to leave his flesh(body) and go to be with the Lord. But it was more needful for them if HE still abides in the flesh(body)

The "I" in passage therefore cannot be his body because he wanted to leave his flesh to go and be with the Lord.

The "I" is talking about his spirit, which is where the Holy Spirit is( when you get saved)

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:46pm On Oct 17, 2020
Ihedinobi3:

As I said, believe whatever you want. Your conviction that it is true will not make it true, and I don't have to make it my business that you do or don't.
As for going out there, I think I have answered that nonsense plenty enough times already.

Great!
So you already know what JWs believe and there is nothing that's gonna change it, thanks! cheesy
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 4:48pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


Jehovah God saw fit to remove the body of Jesus Christ, just as he had previously done with Moses. (Deuteronomy 34:5,6) In order to fulfill what David said at Psalm 16:10 that the body of Jesus would not decompose.

If God hadn't removed Jesus' body, then the disciples wouldn't have fully understood what resurrection to life really meant because at that time there were a lot of things they didn't understand.
That's why several years later—after being taught by holy spirit(John 14:26, 16:13), they were now able to fully grasp the nature of Christ's resurrection and that's why Paul and Peter were inspired to write that Jesus was put to death in the weak/fleshly body but was resurrected as an immortal spirit body.(1Corinthians 15:42-44, 1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18)


Please, can you give me any scripture concerning this?

Or you just decided to assume that's what happened?
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 4:52pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


@ bolded is your own personal interpretation of what you read.

So listen to my own interpretation.

Paul a human has been chosen to be part of those who will rule with Jesus in heaven, so during the first resurrection Paul will join the other 144,000 anointed brothers of Christ and they will be transformed into spirit life like angels. smiley

You're interpreting another passage not the one i gave you.

Meditate on the one i quoted and you'll understand what the bible said there.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 4:54pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


Nollywood! cheesy

I would be honestly impressed if that was portrayed in a nollywood movie. Most Christians don't even know it.

Please, tell me the title of the movie
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 4:56pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:


You're the second person to reference nollywood. Do you people learn about scriptures from movies?

About my post
Philippians 1:22-24

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Paul here was saying that HE wanted to leave his flesh(body) and go to be with the Lord. But it was more needful for them if HE still abides in the flesh(body)

The "I" in passage therefore cannot be his body because he wanted to leave his flesh to go and be with the Lord.

The "I" is talking about his spirit, which is where the Holy Spirit is( when you get saved)



MaxInDHouse has already exposed your erroneous interpretation.
What more do you want? If there is a spirit exists inside a human being, then why did apostle Paul say at 1Corinthians 15:46 that “What is spiritual is NOT first. What is physical[natural] is first, and afterward what is spiritual.” ?
Did he mix up the two? Why are you doing so now?
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:01pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:

You're interpreting another passage not the one i gave you.
Meditate on the one i quoted and you'll understand what the bible said there.

Thanks Sir, now you know what JWs believe and that nothing's gonna change it. If you don't agree with our teachings it's OK, go preach and teach in your neighbourhood what you understand about God's word! smiley
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:02pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:

I would be honestly impressed if that was portrayed in a nollywood movie. Most Christians don't even know it.
Please, tell me the title of the movie

If you don't watch Nollywood movies it's OK! wink
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 5:14pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


Nollywood movie version don enter your head my guy, man is just a living soul with the breath of life just like any other creature! cheesy

Man is a spirit

Act 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to Idolatry.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2Co 2:13 I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went from thence into Macedonia.

All this verses clearly states that the spirit is different from the body and soul. If you meditate on them, you'll also realise that its not just a life force or whatever you think it is.

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 5:20pm On Oct 17, 2020
MaxInDHouse:


Thanks Sir, now you know what JWs believe and that nothing's gonna change it. If you don't agree with our teachings it's OK, go preach and teach in your neighbourhood what you understand about God's word! smiley

Thanks brother.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:21pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:


Man is a spirit

Act 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to Idolatry.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2Co 2:13 I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went from thence into Macedonia.

All this verses clearly states that the spirit is different from the body and soul. If you meditate on them, you'll also realise that its not just a life force or whatever you think it is.

Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 3:19-20, 12:7
All spoke about the spirit in humans as the same spirit in animals, it's just the life force actuating a living being! Genesis 2:7

So at death this life force can only be reactivated by God who sparked it that's all!

But thinking something survives after a creature dies is just like saying "you will not REALLY die" {Genesis 3:4} now we all know that Adam is dead and will never come back! smiley
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:23pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:


Thanks brother neighbour.

You're welcome Sir! smiley

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 5:25pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


MaxInDHouse has already exposed your erroneous interpretation.
What more do you want? If there is a spirit exists inside a human being, then why did apostle Paul say at 1Corinthians 15:46 that “What is spiritual is NOT first. What is physical[natural] is first, and afterward what is spiritual.” ?
Did he mix up the two? Why are you doing so now?

That's talking about a different thing entirely.

We have a physical body now, after resurrection we will have a spiritual body. But our spirits will never die
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 5:29pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:


That's talking about a different thing entirely.

We have a physical body now, after resurrection we will have a spiritual body. But our spirits will never die





Lol so 1Corinthians 15:46 exposed your faulty doctrine so you're trying to discard the Scriptures. It's fine.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:32pm On Oct 17, 2020
Depsui:


That's talking about a different thing entirely.

We have a physical body now, after resurrection we will have a spiritual body. But our spirits will never die

You TV set, Music player, Air Conditioner, Watching Machine, Blender, Electric Iron, Fan and other electronic equipments all have different bodies and functions but the same SPIRIT brings them all to life~ Electricity

That's how the spirit activating all creatures work, so no creature is greater than another in this regard! Ecclesiastes 3:19-29 smiley
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 5:34pm On Oct 17, 2020

Depsui:

Please, can you give me any scripture concerning this?
Or you just decided to assume that's what happened?


Assumptions? Far from that.

Are you aware that Moses foretold the coming of Jesus as a prophet, just like how he[Moses] was one?
Please read Deuteronomy 18:15,18 and compare with Luke 7:16, John 7:40, Acts 3:22

Moses went on a 40-day sojourn on Mount Sinai(Exodus 34:28) where he got the Ten Commandments from Jehovah's angel(Galatians 3:19)/Jesus remained in the wilderness for 40days and 40nights and it's likely that he got instructions from Jehovah on those days. (Matthew 4:1-2)

Through God's holy spirit, Moses performed miraculous works which Jesus also did.(Exodus 14:21/Matthew 9:35)

Moses set the sons of Israel free from captivity in Egypt(Exodus 12:37). Jesus came to
1. release the lost sheep in the house of Israel from spiritual captivity.(Matthew 15:24, Luke 4:18)
2. set obedient mankind free from enslavement to sin and death by means of a ransom sacrifice.(Matthew 20:28, Hebrews 10:12-18)

After the death of Moses, his body was not recovered because Jehovah removed it.(Deuteronomy 34:6-7) so if you can find out what happened to Moses' body, you can also know what happened to Jesus' fleshly body.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 6:09pm On Oct 17, 2020
DappaD:


Assumptions? Far from that.

Are you aware that Moses foretold the coming of Jesus as a prophet, just like how he[Moses] was one?
Please read Deuteronomy 18:15,18 and compare with Luke 7:16, John 7:40, Acts 3:22

Moses went on a 40-day sojourn on Mount Sinai(Exodus 34:28) where he got the Ten Commandments from Jehovah's angel(Galatians 3:19)/Jesus remained in the wilderness for 40days and 40nights and it's likely that he got instructions from Jehovah on those days. (Matthew 4:1-2)

Through God's holy spirit, Moses performed miraculous works which Jesus also did.(Exodus 14:21/Matthew 9:35)

Moses set the sons of Israel free from captivity in Egypt(Exodus 12:37). Jesus came to
1. release the lost sheep in the house of Israel from spiritual captivity.(Matthew 15:24, Luke 4:18)
2. set obedient mankind free from enslavement to sin and death by means of a ransom sacrifice.(Matthew 20:28, Hebrews 10:12-18)

After the death of Moses, his body was not recovered because Jehovah removed it.(Deuteronomy 34:6-7) so if you can find out what happened to Moses' body, you can also know what happened to Jesus' fleshly body.

I know about moses, it was written clearly in the bible. Am asking about Jesus Christ.

Do you have any scripture that talked about God taking the body of Jesus Christ?

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