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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:11pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


Assumptions? Far from that.

Are you aware that Moses foretold the coming of Jesus as a prophet, just like how he[Moses] was one?
Please read Deuteronomy 18:15,18 and compare with Luke 7:16, John 7:40, Acts 3:22

Moses went on a 40-day sojourn on Mount Sinai(Exodus 34:28) where he got the Ten Commandments from Jehovah's angel(Galatians 3:19)/Jesus remained in the wilderness for 40days and 40nights and it's likely that he got instructions from Jehovah on those days. (Matthew 4:1-2)

Through God's holy spirit, Moses performed miraculous works which Jesus also did.(Exodus 14:21/Matthew 9:35)

Moses set the sons of Israel free from captivity in Egypt(Exodus 12:37). Jesus came to
1. release the lost sheep in the house of Israel from spiritual captivity.(Matthew 15:24, Luke 4:18)
2. set obedient mankind free from enslavement to sin and death by means of a ransom sacrifice.(Matthew 20:28, Hebrews 10:12-18)

After the death of Moses, his body was not recovered because Jehovah removed it.(Deuteronomy 34:6-7) so if you can find out what happened to Moses' body, you can also know what happened to Jesus' fleshly body.

Excellent! smiley

When Moses told the Israelites "God will raise a prophet like me in your midst"
Moses people don't realize that many things we don't understand about Jesus' life could be easily grasped by correlating the events with what happened to Moses! smiley

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 6:14pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


Lol so 1Corinthians 15:46 exposed your faulty doctrine so you're trying to discard the Scriptures. It's fine.

You don't just pick scriptures and give them the interpretations you want. Most of that chapter was talking about resurrection.

Read the whole chapter again, then you'll understand my comment.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14pm On Oct 17
Depsui:

I know about moses, it was written clearly in the bible. Am asking about Jesus Christ.
Do you have any scripture that talked about God taking the body of Jesus Christ?

Moses's body was taken away by God's angels so if Moses said Jesus will be a prophet like him, then it means the same thing that happened to Moses's body is exactly what happened to Jesus' body! smiley

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 6:15pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


I know about moses, it was written clearly in the bible. Am asking about Jesus Christ.

Do you have any scripture that talked about God taking the body of Jesus Christ?



There is no scripture in the Bible that talks about that.

Let me use your terminology now, if any of the “saints” or chosen ones die today, do their body disappear after you bury it in the ground or does it decay?
Because whatever happened to Jesus concerning resurrection is what will happen to those “saints”. (1Corinthians 15:49)

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 6:21pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


That's talking about a different thing entirely.

We have a physical body now, after resurrection we will have a spiritual body. But our spirits will never die


Bros , Genesis 3:19, where is Adam's spirit living?
Continue DECEIVING yourself

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 6:30pm On Oct 17
Ihedinobi3:


I've never seen it in the Bible that individual Israelites were delivered because of their association with the nation of Israel. I know that God promised Abraham that He would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him, and I know that He treats even unbelieving Israelites specially because they are Israelites, but the Lord has in fact been harder on Israelites than on Gentiles in the matter of holiness. Unbelieving Israelites were supposed to be stoned to death according to the Law of Moses. And when Israel did not follow that Law, the Lord still destroyed very many Israelites who sinned against him, beginning from the Exodus until the final deportation from the Land of Israel. So, I am pretty sure that you are wrong about that bit. Being part of an organization does not grant or prove salvation. In fact, it's the opposite: when you're saved, you become part of the organization that is blessed by the Lord, the Church, the Israel of God.

Only by the individual's free will exercise of faith in (1)Jesus Christ Who is God that became Man to die for our sins is anyone saved, just as the whole Bible teaches.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18 (NKJV)

I do share fellowship with a group of fellow believers scattered around the world too, but we are not a church in the traditional sense. We are a church only in the sense of believers who gather together to encourage one another in Christ. I have said all that elsewhere and many times over. The pastor-teacher under whose ministry we are all growing spiritually and also being trained as pastor-teachers (for those of us who have the gift) is at https://ichthys.com. Some of us there also hang out at www.bibleacademyonline.com, which is an independent pastor-teaching ministry that is of very common cause with the Ichthys ministry too.

So, no, I don't believe that being part of any organization here on earth saves anybody. I don't see that in the Bible. Interestingly, all cults including the Roman Catholic Church that your church hates too, believe the same madness. The Bible teaches that we each individually choose whether we want to be saved or not. Joining an organization is not how it teaches that that choice must be exercised either. It is only exercised by a conscious choice to trust in and submit to the Jesus revealed in the Bible.

Bros, either you are LYING or @ John 3:16 Jesus Christ is saying the truth.

Your Triune God is a son of themselves.

Acts15:14 ,2 Chro7:14, So Jehovah God will not save the people He choose for His name ?

John 17:6,26 only those who bears the name of God his son made known...
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:35pm On Oct 17
Janosky:


Bros , Genesis 3:19, where is Adam's spirit living?
Continue DECEIVING yourself

They're all children of disobedience!

They want to believe that a spirit/soul survives humans at death, so there could be a basis for their Hellfire doctrines. Yet God specifically told Adam "you (Adam) are from the dust and you will return to dust" so God wasn't talking to the real Adam but just his flesh the real Adam still lives somewhere till today. cheesy
So hilarious! cheesy
He no go better for Satan! cheesy

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 6:37pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


You don't just pick scriptures and give them the interpretations you want. Most of that chapter was talking about resurrection.

Read the whole chapter again, then you'll understand my comment.

Heck you're the person who said I should disregard Paul's words about the chosen ones having a spiritual body after the first resurrection.(verse 42-44)
Now you're telling me I should go and read it again? grin Oh the irony grin
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On Oct 17
Janosky:

Bros, (@1) either you are LYING or @ John 3:16 Jesus Christ is saying the truth.
Your Triune God is a son of themselves
grin grin grin

Janosky, you dey try o!
So you took the pain to read through the gibberish the Churchgoer typed! undecided
Do you know i don't read their comments once i notice they want to prove they know something, the last time i took the pain to read all comments was when Shadeyinka threw a challenge at JWs.
And that's because he mentioned the name of his Church :- ECWA
I later stopped reading his gibberish when he said "my Church doctrines doesn't define me"
That indicates that the teaching can't be traced to any specific religious group, rather doctrines based on things gathered from various point of views and built up to fabricate his own personal conviction! undecided

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 6:51pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


There is no scripture in the Bible that talks about that.

Let me use your terminology now, if any of the “saints” or chosen ones die today, do their body disappear after you bury it in the ground or does it decay?
Because whatever happened to Jesus' body is what will happen to the bodies of the “saints”. (1Corinthians 15:49)

The bolded will happen on the day of resurrection not immediately after death.

The prophecy of the body not decaying was only about Jesus Christ.

People alive at rapture will be have their natural body transformed to a spiritual body. The dead people will also be resurrected with a spiritual body.

1corithians15;51-53

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 6:52pm On Oct 17
MaxInDHouse:


Janosky, you dey try o!
So you took the pain to read through the gibberish the Churchgoer typed! undecided
Do you know i don't read their comments once i notice they want to prove they know something, the last time i took the pain to read all comments was when Shadeyinka threw a challenge at JWs.
And that's because he mentioned the name of his Church :- ECWA
I later stopped reading his gibberish when he said "my Church doctrines doesn't define me"
That indicates that the teaching can't be traced to any specific religious group, rather doctrines based on things gathered from various point of views and built up to fabricate his own personal conviction! undecided
John 20:17, Revelation 3:12, The God and Father of Jesus Christ is NOT their Triune idol.

Triune idol worshippers DECEIVING themselves.

grin grin grin
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 7:00pm On Oct 17

Depsui:


The bolded will happen on the day of resurrection not immediately after death.
The prophecy of the body not decaying was only about Jesus Christ.
People alive at rapture will be have their natural body transformed to a spiritual body. The dead people will also be resurrected with a spiritual body.
1corithians15;51-53

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


So according to your rapture theory, people with fleshly body will just stay and disappear? Haven't we warned you to stay away from fictional Nollywood movies. Lol. What's all this again.

Paul called you an “unreasonable person”, when he explained that “What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies.”—1Corinthians 15:36
According to Paul in that verse, nobody will have a spiritual body if they don't die first.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 7:03pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


Man is a spirit

Act 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to Idolatry.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2Co 2:13 I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went from thence into Macedonia.

All this verses clearly states that the spirit is different from the body and soul. If you meditate on them, you'll also realise that its not just a life force or whatever you think it is.


Acts 17:16
New International Version
While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.

The word spirit means various things in the holy Bible, in the context of Acts 17:16 & 2 Cor 2:13 you quoted, "Spirit" refers to Paul's emotions , his mental disposition (distress, anger , discomfort) at the widespread idolatry in the city of Athens. And also, Paul was unhappy because he didn't meet Titus.


Go and check it up , please. See screenshot evidences

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:17pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


So according to your rapture theory, people with fleshly body will just stay and disappear? Haven't we warned you to stay away from fictional Nollywood movies. Lol. What's all this again.

Paul called you an “unreasonable person”, when he explained that “What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies.”—1Corinthians 15:36
According to Paul in that verse, nobody will have a spiritual body if they don't die first.

Let me argue with DappaD small at least make them see say JWs too dey follow themselves dey argue.
DappaD you did not score 100% at the bolded!

"nobody can have a spiritual body if they don't die and buried first" grin
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:18pm On Oct 17
MaxInDHouse:


Moses's body was taken away by God's angels so if Moses said Jesus will be a prophet like him, then it means the same thing that happened to Moses's body is exactly what happened to Jesus' body! smiley

Since Moses is similar to Jesus
1. Did moses resurrect?
2. Is moses seated at the right hand of God the Father?
3. Is moses God.

Be careful in your comparison of moses to Jesus Christ

Hebrews3:1-6

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

That they have some things in common doesn't give you the right to compare a creature(moses) to the creator( Jesus Christ

Like i said earlier, it looks like you're just assuming. Because, there's zero scriptural backing to a statement you made emphatically. On an issue as important as the resurrection of Jesus Christ, you shouldn't be trying to use old testament prophets to guess what happened to the only begotten Son of God.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 7:25pm On Oct 17
MaxInDHouse:


Let me argue with DappaD small at least make them see say JWs too dey follow themselves dey argue.
DappaD you did not score 100% at the bolded!

"nobody can have a spiritual body if they don't die and buried first" grin

grin grin

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:25pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


Heck you're the person who said I should disregard Paul's words about the chosen ones having a spiritual body after the first resurrection.(verse 42-44)
Now you're telling me I should go and read it again? grin Oh the irony grin

When did i ask you to disregard scriptures?

I asked you not to get confused by the terminologies used. Why in the world will i ask you to disregard scriptures.

Your problem is that you don't know how to interpret scriptures. You will just take out a verse and start giving it your own interpretation. You have to look at the context to know what a verse really means. That's why i always quote like 3 or more verses, to give you the context.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:27pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


So according to your rapture theory, people with fleshly body will just stay and disappear? Haven't we warned you to stay away from fictional Nollywood movies. Lol. What's all this again.

Paul called you an “unreasonable person”, when he explained that “What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies.”—1Corinthians 15:36
According to Paul in that verse, nobody will have a spiritual body if they don't die first.

I said transformed, you said disappear. Do you bother to read my replies?

The verse you quoted is talking about those dead in christ.

Please read the whole chapter carefully, it cant take more than 30 minutes
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 7:30pm On Oct 17
livingchrist:


Their magazine is one big debris of arguments, counter argument and criticism, they so much hate Christianity but cant help going back to source from materials from the very thing they hate.
They quote other translations of bible which they deemed as satans book but too ashamed to stick to their perverted new world translation.
That is their way, bunch of pharisee hypocrites
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You FALSELY claim JW Bible is, in your own words, "perverted".
Then why do you get so furious and angry, when the truth you rejected in NWT, is there in your own copy of the Bible !!!
Bros, JWs dey use any Bible translation.
I enjoy NLT , the Message, Byington Translations and I have NIV, KJV too in my possession.. grin


Sifia painment of a living Hypocrite

grin grin grin grin
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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:31pm On Oct 17
Depsui:

Since Moses is similar to Jesus
1. Did moses resurrect?
He will definitely resurrect during the resurrection of the dead!


2. Is moses seated at the right hand of God the Father?
He used the blood of animals not his own blood so NO! he can't have that position.

3. Was moses God.

YES! He served as God at a point in time just like Jesus also served as God at a point in time! Exodus 7:1

Be careful in your comparison of moses to Jesus Christ

Hebrews3:1-6

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

That they have some things in common doesn't give you the right to compare a creature(moses) to the creator( Jesus Christ
Sure Jesus participated in creating all other things but he himself was created! Proverbs 8:22-31

Like i said earlier, it looks like you're just assuming. Because, there's zero scriptural backing to a statement you made emphatically. On an issue as important as the resurrection of Jesus Christ, you shouldn't be trying to use old testament prophets to guess what happened to the only begotten Son of God.
Both Moses and Jesus shared lots and lots in common!
Both served as God!
Both served as deliverers!
Both served as mediators of covenants!
Both went without food for 40 days and nights!
Both were law givers!
Both pleaded on behalf of God's people!
Both died and bodies weren't found!
So they had lots of things in common! smiley

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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 7:32pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


I said transformed, you said disappear. Do you bother to read my replys

You nkor, do you bother to read the Bible?
When Paul said “changed”, is he saying it is the former fleshly body that will be transformed?

Won't the spiritual body the chosen ones have after the first resurrection be a “changed” one?
What concerns the fleshly body with the spiritual body?
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:34pm On Oct 17
Janosky:


Bros, either you are LYING or @ John 3:16 Jesus Christ is saying the truth.

Your Triune God is a son of themselves.

Acts15:14 ,2 Chro7:14, So Jehovah God will not save the people He choose for His name ?

John 17:6,26 only those who bears the name of God his son made known...


Don't misunderstand trinity

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:36pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


I said transformed, you said disappear. Do you bother to read my replies?
The verse you quoted is talking about those dead in christ.
Please read the whole chapter carefully, it cant take more than 30 minutes

Of course the remaining Born Again Christians who are still alive after the first resurrection of Christ's brothers will be transformed into angels at death but that will not happen until they are buried first! smiley
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:37pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


You nkor, do you bother to read the Bible?
When Paul said “changed”, is he saying it is the former fleshly body that will be transformed?

Won't the spiritual body the chosen ones have after the first resurrection be a “changed” one?
What concerns the fleshly body with the spiritual body?


Yes for the bolded

Also, yes the dead will have a changed one

Only Jesus Christ was prophecied about that His body will not decay
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:38pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


Don't misunderstand trinity

This is where all of you manufacture your stories.

Well there is nothing like TRINITY in the Bible! smiley
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 7:45pm On Oct 17
Depsui:



Don't misunderstand trinity

Not this again
Some people just need to visit a professional psychiatrist. grin

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:45pm On Oct 17
MaxInDHouse:


Of course the remaining Born Again Christians who are still alive after the first resurrection of Christ's brothers will be transformed into angels at death but that will not happen until they are buried first! smiley

Nobody is getting transformed to an angel
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:47pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


Not this again
Some people just need to visit a professional psychiatrist. grin

Look at the picture i posted again. This time do it slowly


Also John1;1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 7:47pm On Oct 17
Depsui:



Yes for the bolded

Also, yes the dead will have a changed one

Only Jesus Christ was prophecied about that His body will not decay


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DappaD:


You nkor, do you bother to read the Bible?
When Paul said “changed”, is he saying it is the former fleshly body that will be transformed?

Won't the spiritual body the chosen ones have after the first resurrection be a “changed” one?
What concerns the fleshly body with the spiritual body?
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 7:48pm On Oct 17
Depsui:


Look at the picture i posted again. This time do it slowly

You kwa go and open your Bible, look at it and show me where Trinity is written.
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 7:51pm On Oct 17
livingchrist:
I cant help you pain, deal with it.
So after all these many talks, death is not total annihilation, something survives death, interesting.
@1)
I thought your friend said nothing survives death, that when a man dies everything about him go out of existence so what is Jehovah destroying again in the lake of fire?


@2)
But again, you summersualted by saying the spirit of man survives death, good! So the spirit of Jesus did not die right?
So what died when Jesus died?

The jargons you wrote there does not even come close.
Human being can only kill the body not soul, so Jesus body died not his soul right?
So therefore it is the body that experiences resurrection.

I m sure you are drunk, jehovah witness dont know Jack about the bible, it should be the other way round, humble yourselves and go to real church to learn.

@1)
That's the proofs you know nutt
grin grin grin grin

@2.
Jesus died after he breathed out what God gave Adam @ Genesis2:7

Read marked portion of this Screenshots and Learn grin grin

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Depsui(m): 7:51pm On Oct 17
DappaD:


You kwa go and open your Bible, look at it and show me where Trinity is written.

What does trinity mean to you?

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