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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by awesomeJ(m): 8:45pm On Nov 01, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
really....how much is the toll gate generating? ....13m daily that around 40k dollars daily x30 1.2m dollars per month x12 =14.4m dollars per anum ....so 14m dollars can covert lekki to dubai? Only the metro is in billions of dollars

Na wah!

LCC will need 10 Millennia to meet up, that time, everybody don kpai.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DexterousOne(m): 9:54pm On Nov 01, 2020
Cyberknight:


Nigerians are definitely undertaxed, but the social contract between the government and the people fell apart long ago, and increased taxation will definitely be met with resistance as long as people perceive their money as going toward funding Aisha Buhari's Neck Pain Adventures to Dubai or buying 2020 Camrys for a bunch of idlers. In other words, the only feasible way the government can seriously raise revenue apart is by putting more people into the tax net with new indirect taxes.

Well said!

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by einsteine(m): 11:14pm On Nov 01, 2020
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Insideout20000: 11:21am On Nov 02, 2020
talk2tonie:


NTB Auction Result for today 28th October 2020

91 days - 0.3410
182 days - 0.5000
364 days - 0.9800

I hope this helps. Happy investing grin
I don't understand these rates
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nakedman: 2:19pm On Nov 02, 2020
Insideout20000:

I don't understand these rates
It means everything don pafuka ���

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by talk2tonie: 2:20pm On Nov 02, 2020
Insideout20000:

I don't understand these rates

It means TB rates are down to less than 1%. Very unattractive.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TransAtlanticEx(m): 2:41pm On Nov 02, 2020
What is happening to dollar today?
Why are abokis not buying since Friday?
What's going on?
Did the CBN say something?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmaversity(m): 4:31pm On Nov 02, 2020
RayRay06677:


The town am residing, I know 3 which are MBA, Barafinance and Pipminds a home grown forex trading firm that has been paying for over two years, just open PH branch last week.
How long has Pipminds been in existence?

Is their ROi paid monthly?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Insideout20000: 5:23pm On Nov 02, 2020
talk2tonie:


It means TB rates are down to less than 1%. Very unattractive.

Jesus!!!! What investment can one fo this time around that would be profitable?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by talk2tonie: 5:33pm On Nov 02, 2020
Insideout20000:


Jesus!!!! What investment can one fo this time around that would be profitable?

Try stocks if you can take the risk.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Insideout20000: 5:58pm On Nov 02, 2020
talk2tonie:


NTB Auction Result for today 28th October 2020

91 days - 0.3410
182 days - 0.5000
364 days - 0.9800

I hope this helps. Happy investing grin
Thanks but why are the rates so low.
Does it mean FG have enough money that they don't need TB and Bonds to from the public?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RayRay06677(m): 6:52pm On Nov 02, 2020
emmaversity:

How long has Pipminds been in existence?

Is their ROi paid monthly?

Don't know actual date but I know someone that has been investing since 2019, monthly roi at 15%
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by richforever123: 8:36pm On Nov 02, 2020
Insideout20000:

Thanks but why are the rates so low.
Does it mean FG have enough money that they don't need TB and Bonds to from the public?

They are borrowing from China

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:05pm On Nov 02, 2020
richforever123:


They are borrowing from China
Tbills are used for short term borrowing (and monetary policy purposes). Government doesn’t borrow short term money from China.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:23pm On Nov 02, 2020
Insideout20000:

Thanks but why are the rates so low.
Does it mean FG have enough money that they don't need TB and Bonds to from the public?
Most of the investors in Tbills are institutional and conservative investors that cannot afford to stake their funds in the real sector and other risky investments in the current economy. They must put that money somewhere and Tbills are the safest investments right now. Even at 0.1%, Tbills will continue to be oversubscribed until CBN decides to switch monetary policy to fighting inflation.

For CBN, the intention is not to punish or frustrate individual investors (with their small change). They believe/think low Tbill rates will force lending rates to drop and encourage real sector businesses to get cheap credit from banks.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Insideout20000: 1:14am On Nov 03, 2020
Lazyyouth4u:

Most of the investors in Tbills are institutional and conservative investors that cannot afford to stake their funds in the real sector and other risky investments in the current economy. They must put that money somewhere and Tbills are the safest investments right now. Even at 0.1%, Tbills will continue to be oversubscribed until CBN decides to switch monetary policy to fighting inflation.

For CBN, the intention is not to punish or frustrate individual investors (with their small change). They believe/think low Tbill rates will force lending rates to drop and encourage real sector businesses to get cheap credit from banks.
I understand now. So Tbills rate are not going up anytime soon.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Insideout20000: 1:16am On Nov 03, 2020
Lazyyouth4u:

Tbills are used for short term borrowing. Government doesn’t borrow short term money from China.
I remember in 2017 when I invested in tbills. The rates were BTW 16-18% then. What could have happened within 3 years?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmaversity(m): 7:34am On Nov 03, 2020
RayRay06677:


Don't know actual date but I know someone that has been investing since 2019, monthly roi at 15%
Ok.

Since you invested have they(Pipminds) been faithful to the monthly payment of ROI without Any excuse?

Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DigitalMallam: 7:37am On Nov 03, 2020
Lazyyouth4u:

Most of the investors in Tbills are institutional and conservative investors that cannot afford to stake their funds in the real sector and other risky investments in the current economy. They must put that money somewhere and Tbills are the safest investments right now. Even at 0.1%, Tbills will continue to be oversubscribed until CBN decides to switch monetary policy to fighting inflation.

For CBN, the intention is not to punish or frustrate individual investors (with their small change). They believe/think low Tbill rates will force lending rates to drop and encourage real sector businesses to get cheap credit from banks.
No institutional investors will be happy to invest for less than 1% roi when inflation about to hit 14%, and devaluation lurking around the corner.
The only class of investors still doing TB are the PFA, and its strictly due to act Pencom act that clearly fobid/prevent them from investing in some class of investment. FG specifically gave them class and percentage of their fund they can invest in these set of investments. Plus the fact that PFA just sit down in their office and billions comes in monthly. Arm twisted by the law, they just do minimum % allowable on TB.
If you look at the trend they have reduced their TB investment from 1.9trillion to 1trillion since the rate started going south.
If the pencom act did not change, FG will be happy to keep TB rates at sub 1%
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:41am On Nov 03, 2020
DigitalMallam:

No institutional investors will be happy to invest for less than 1% roi when inflation about to hit 14%, and devaluation lurking around the corner.
The only class of investors still doing TB are the PFA, and its strictly due to act Pencom act that clearly fobid/prevent them from investing in some class of investment. FG specifically gave them class and percentage of their fund they can invest in these set of investments. Plus the fact that PFA just sit down in their office and billions comes in monthly. Arm twisted by the law, they just do minimum % allowable on TB.
If you look at the trend they have reduced their investment from 1.9trillion to 1trillion since the rate started going south.
If the pencom act did not change, FG will be happy to keep TB rates at sub 1%
Who is an institutional investor? Are PFAs not the largest domestic institutional investors? We are actually saying the same thing. Domestic institutional investors (mainly PFAs) will still invest in Tbills even at 0.1%. Where else will they put the money in the current economy?

Btw, would you be smiling and sleeping well at night if your PFA invested most of your hard earned retirement savings in risky investments in the current economy?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by 9jatriot(m): 8:05am On Nov 03, 2020
Na wa o, so na u be this wen come de talk sense like this? abi de hack your account? Why you come first use insults announce your presence for here if you know say better juice actually de inside ur head as brain.

I non fit believe say day go come wen I go de node my head in agreement with wertin u de talk.

Show me the pastor wen remove that cussing demon from ur moniker, I get other monikers to submit for prayers.
Lazyyouth4u:

Who is an institutional investor? Are PFAs not the largest domestic institutional investors? We are actually saying the same thing. Domestic institutional investors (mainly PFAs) will still invest in Tbills even at 0.1%. Where else will they put the money in the current economy?

Btw, would you be smiling and sleeping well at night if your PFA invested most of your hard earned retirement savings in risky investments in the current economy?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by maishai: 8:20am On Nov 03, 2020
DigitalMallam:

No institutional investors will be happy to invest for less than 1% roi when inflation about to hit 14%, and devaluation lurking around the corner.
The only class of investors still doing TB are the PFA, and its strictly due to act Pencom act that clearly fobid/prevent them from investing in some class of investment. FG specifically gave them class and percentage of their fund they can invest in these set of investments. Plus the fact that PFA just sit down in their office and billions comes in monthly. Arm twisted by the law, they just do minimum % allowable on TB.
If you look at the trend they have reduced their TB investment from 1.9trillion to 1trillion since the rate started going south.
If the pencom act did not change, FG will be happy to keep TB rates at sub 1%

Day light robbery with the law, see how workers are robbed, after paying your tax(paye), the government has dipped their fingers into people's retirement savings through the pension funds act, at this rate of inflation the government is spending the current value of ur retirement sweat to give you worthless naira in the future,


Meanwhile infrastructure is still at snail speed development

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 8:39am On Nov 03, 2020
Insideout20000:

I remember in 2017 when I invested in tbills. The rates were BTW 16-18% then. What could have happened within 3 years?
At that time, CBN’s monetary policy was to fight inflation and attract foreign investors (who were flooding in with their USD) using high interest rates. High interest rates were also used to borrow more from the domestic market to fund deficits.

Today, CBN’s monetary policy is to stimulate the economy via boosting domestic credit with lower rates. Also, since the directive prohibiting non-banks and non-FPIs from investing in OMO, there has been more than enough liquidity in the domestic market for Tbills. So government can afford to borrow from the domestic market to fund its deficit at low rates.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 9:11am On Nov 03, 2020
9jatriot:
Na wa o, so na u be this wen come de talk sense like this? abi de hack your account? Why you come first use insults announce your presence for here if you know say better juice actually de inside ur head as brain.

I non fit believe say day go come wen I go de node my head in agreement with wertin u de talk.

Show me the pastor wen remove that cussing demon from ur moniker, I get other monikers to submit for prayers.

I dey really gbadun this new @Lazyyouth4u. Brilliant and indept analysis from him. I hope he does not change to the old @Lazyyouth4u o.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 9:13am On Nov 03, 2020
Lazyyouth4u:

At that time, CBN’s monetary policy was to fight inflation and attract foreign investors (who were flooding in with their USD) using high interest rates. High interest rates were also used to borrow more from the domestic market to fund deficits.

Today, CBN’s monetary policy is to stimulate the economy via boosting domestic credit with lower rates. Also, since the directive prohibiting non-banks and non-FPIs from investing in OMO, there has been more than enough liquidity in the domestic market for Tbills. So government can afford to borrow from the domestic market to fund its deficit at low rates.

With the government having smelt this blood, i doubt they will want to reverse this low rates.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by lavylilly: 9:44am On Nov 03, 2020
Sam, a friend of mine who is a very successful property developer gave me this advice yesterday and I want to share: “When investing in property, it is better to buy a cheap rundown house in a posh neighborhood, than a posh property in a cheap rundown neighborhood.” Good morning.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by 9jatriot(m): 9:58am On Nov 03, 2020
Sam, nice guy. Similar advice to what Ahib has suggested here time without number. It makes a lot of sense, but you need capital to implement this kind of advice though.
lavylilly:
Sam, a friend of mine who is a very successful property developer gave me this advice yesterday and I want to share: “When investing in property, it is better to buy a cheap rundown house in a posh neighborhood, than a posh property in a cheap rundown neighborhood.” Good morning.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 10:36am On Nov 03, 2020
9jatriot:
Sam, nice guy. Similar advice to what Ahib has suggested here time without number. It makes a lot of sense, but you need capital to implement this kind of advice though.
chai so u remember all those stuff ....that nice.....God bless your hustle

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by 9jatriot(m): 10:46am On Nov 03, 2020
Baba... We plenty when de appreciate you for here.
God bless your hustle too.

ahiboilandgas:
chai so u remember all those stuff ....that nice.....God bless your hustle

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