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@Dtruthspeaker
You are the one who is a Crafty Devious Fellow, if not check most of my post on the last page which you even quoted and see if I did not use the word 'some'.

You claimed that your: "own search Found the Rabbis to be Liars and their Statements being Subject to Who is Paying for it.
[s]They were not Credible Witnesses for under examination they collapsed like a pen- is when met with a fowl va-gina![/s]"

Jesus was called a Rabbi so if you are calling Rabbis Liars this shows how pained you are because you have been brainwashed with some of the children's stories you have been reading which makes you believe you know all and have made you to be rude and a deceiver when ever I expose your deplicity.

Dtruthspeaker:
ThePlainTruth
@Dtruthspeaker
My own search Found the Rabbis to be Liars and their Statements being Subject to Who is Paying for it.

[s]They were not Credible Witnesses for under examination they collapsed like a pen- is when met with a fowl va-gina![/s]

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]Ehee, now you have introduced Lying to the mix, "I have always tried to add "'some' of the children's stories in the Bible"

"Tried to add"? "Tried to add"? like the stories in the Bible were so heavy for you to lift them up out of it and you would need rent a crane to carry it out of the Bible and deposit it here in Nairaland?.

Or Nairaland is so far from the Bible that it was not possible for you to bring it here.

Boy, you are plain ridiculous! 
 "Some children's stories"? "Some children's stories"? You've Dropped from"Children's stories" to "some Children's stories"?

Why the Fall? Where you blind earlier?

So now you see that Bible does not contain children stories to "Some Children's stories"!

If I continue speaking to you surely, you shall Drop to further say that the Bible contains "No children stories"

Oh, boy, I let you go, you make too much ridicule of yourself and it is not good to encourage a little child to make a fool of himself, So I leave, let me go play with real adults. [/s]

ThePlainTruth:
Only the New Testament in the Bible was not in the Scriptures they had during the time of Jesus so we should expect all the scriptures before the New Testament to be in the Bible we have today, which leads to my second question. So where did Jude read or hear the prophecy of Enoch from?

ThePlainTruth scroll up to read about how I already addressed your curiosity of Apostle Jude and Apostle Peter aka Petros or originally as Shimon or Simon before him read about the fabricated stories of a fake and imagined Enoch.

ThePlainTruth:
From your answer are you implying that Jude quoted Enoch for the same reason you gave:  "I often quote from some of the 256 Odu Ifa, I often quote from the Quran, even quote from Shakespeare, of course I quote from et cetera, lmso, but it doesnt mean I quoting from any of them sources, means they are absolute truths. I could be quoting from them as a counter reply, could be quoting from them to debunk the usual rubbish in some of them, lmso, could be quoting them, in course of having a meaningful, matured minds lively discussion et cetera."

Hole in one. I am proud with the way you got it right the first time, lmso. Often I need to labour to make this post obvious for some, lmso

Have you ever contextually read 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, at all, hmm? Why not start from right now, by contextually reading 2 Peter 2:4, from 2 Peter 2:1 and contextually reading Jude 1:6, from jude 1:4 onwards, erhn?

Do you know where 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 were quoted from by Apostle Peter first, before Apostle Jude, followed suit to repeat all Apostle Peter earlier wrote, by confirming that what Apostle Peter wrote about is actually happening in their midst, hmm?

Do you notice, that the source or origin of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 is not mentioned, but those in the know, whom the scathing warnings of Apostles Peter and Jude are addressed to, without mentioning the name of the book, 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 is referenced from, know which book is being referenced, hmm?

My friend, nothing is more damaging to a learning truth, than a learned old error. Remember that, growth comes by pruning, or be like, a tree ThePlainTruth, let the dead leaves drop. Take to your advice, be humble, come down from your high horse.

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Mrcaregiver:
The book of Enoch among many other books were not Included in the bible eventhough it presented important stories and events about the fallen angels, how they taught people about some hidden knowledge etc

I'm just being curious here as to why it wasn't included In the books of the bible
Why was it forbidden?

kalufelix:
The bible was censored for consumer protection...the excluded books aren't particularly forbidden they are just not very suitable for regular users..

Mrcaregiver:
Hmmmm...
Any proof to buttress the point that "they are just not suitable for regular users"...

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MuttleyLaff:
"The book of Enoch writing are referenced in the Bible by Peter and Jude not as a form of endorsing it but actually the mentioned parts of the book of Enoch in their letters was done to demystify to stories of angels impregnating human beings myths and stories that were going the rounds in and around that time.

Jude and Peter scolded people believing this story and even charged them of slandering the angels, further saying even fellow angels wouldn't think of slandering angels of what they are accused of.

I too, aside the good book, read the bad and ugly books, but that Book of Enoch, is one nasty piece of work, that you literally do a SMH every now and then, when reading it. No wonder, Paul too, aside Jude and Peter, warned against all these Jewish myths like including this one, doing the rounds back then and still does today."
- Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 1:04pm On Feb 16 2019

"... It is true you believe that The Book Of Enoch was written by Enoch, the one who was seven generations from Adam? You want the Book of Enoch to be true so bad but its not and you cant get over that..."
- Re: Witchcraft And Homosexuality Are Like A Set Of Twin by MuttleyLaff: 7:18am On May 02 2019

You'll retch up if you read the book. I honestly didn't want to gate crash or pooh pooh the Book of Enoch party going on here. I was enjoying reading all the five-star ratings given by the various very enthusiastic and/or passionate lovers of the book.

It might not be demonic but it certainly is a disgracefully bad and unpleasant work of fiction, that immediately gives one a feeling of embarrassment and awkwardness when reading the book and others in same category as it is.

It is one of those non-canonical book and rightly so it should be a non-canonical book because it is a falsely attributed book of Enoch. There is no existing, real or genuine book of Enoch. All thats out there are frauds

"Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands (i.e. shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or fables)
These are made up by people who won't obey the truth."
- Titus 1:14

Nobi today yansh, don tay, for fowl back. Senseless Jewish stories, Jewish myths and/or Jewish fables, have been around, and they revolved around fantasies, that goes, as far back or as early as Genesis 6, culminating in slanderous claims with angels roped in and so there, why in Titus 1:14 above, Paul was advising Timothy, to sternly correct believers on these senseless Jewish stories, Jewish myths and/or Jewish fables.

Jude, parroting Peter, mentioning a section of the book of Enoch at verse 14, wasn't as a form of endorsement, but rather he was debunking a myth and at same time, lambasting those who believe the senseless Jewish stories, Jewish myths and/or Jewish fables. Read Jude contextually to get a proper handle of this and make sure you read Jude contextually without the mistranslated parts.

"It is because you are a confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate, you are way behind and dont measure up to 2 Timothy 2:15 in any shape or form, is why you think I am full of inconsistencies. If you are asked to state what and where I am alledged to be inconsistent, you will begin to stammer and be chomping teeth

You avoid answering questions because you know you will be pinned down and get being exposed. It is as simple as that. You are nothing than a paper tiger, huffing and puffing. I have and easily eat people like you with breakfast

Would you believe it that this guy believes that The Book Of Enoch was written by Enoch, the one who was seven generations from Adam? You want the Book of Enoch to be true so bad but its not and you cant get over that, so refuse to answer the question and resort to introducing some unrelated, unconnected and totally different homosexuality subject

Do you also believe in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas too? Another Gnostic book? I was just about bringing the bird out of the pocket and havent even started proper questioning you about the Book of Enoch before you developed cold feet, cat got your tongue and so clamping up.
- Re: Witchcraft And Homosexuality Are Like A Set Of Twin. by MuttleyLaff: 9:51pm On Apr 28 2019

[color=#000000]Let me remind you, of one of the many fascinating and interesting narratives, that you read in the Book of Enoch[/color]

"¹And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son.
². And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright.
³. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.
⁴. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah.
⁵. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.
⁶. And it seems to me that he is not sprung from me but from the angels, and I fear that in his days a wonder may be wrought on the earth.
⁷. And now, my father, I am here to petition thee and implore thee that thou mayest go to Enoch, our father, and learn from him the truth, for his dwelling-place is amongst the angels.'
⁸. And when Methuselah heard the words of his son, he came to me to the ends of the earth; for he had heard that I was there, and he cried aloud, and I heard his voice and I came to him. And 1 said unto him: 'Behold, here am I, my son, wherefore hast thou come to me?'
⁹. And he answered and said: 'Because of a great cause of anxiety have I come to thee, and because of a disturbing vision have I approached.
¹⁰. And now, my father, hear me: unto Lamech my son there hath been born a son, the like of whom there is none, and his nature is not like man's nature, and the colour of his body is whiter than snow and redder than the bloom of a rose, and the hair of his head is whiter than white wool, and his eyes are like the rays of the sun, and he opened his eyes and thereupon lighted up the whole house.
¹¹. And he arose in the hands of the midwife, and opened his mouth and blessed the Lord of heaven.
^12. And his father Lamech became afraid and fled to me, and did not believe that he was sprung from him, but that he was in the likeness of the angels of heaven; and behold I have come to thee that thou mayest make known to me the truth.'
¹³. And I, Enoch, answered and said unto him: 'The Lord will do a new thing on the earth, and this I have already seen in a vision, and make known to thee that in the generation of my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed the word of the Lord.
¹⁴. And behold they commit sin and transgress the law, and have united themselves with women and commit sin with them, and have married some of them, and have begot children by them.
¹⁵. Yea, there shall come a great destruction over the whole earth, and there shall be a deluge and a great destruction for one year.
¹⁶. And this son who has been born unto you shall be left on the earth, and his three children shall be saved with him: when all mankind that are on the earth shall die [he and his sons shall be saved].
¹⁷. And they shall produce on the earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh, and there shall be a great punishment on the earth, and the earth shall be cleansed from all impurity.
¹⁸. And now make known to thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his name Noah; for he shall be left to you, and he and his sons shall be saved from the destruction, which shall come upon the earth on account of all the sin and all the unrighteousness, which shall be consummated on the earth in his days.
¹⁹. And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than that which was first consummated on the earth; for I know the mysteries of the holy ones; for He, the Lord, has showed me and informed me, and I have read (them) in the heavenly tablets.
- Book of Enoch 106:1-19"
- Re: Witchcraft And Homosexuality Are Like A Set Of Twin. by MuttleyLaff: 9:51pm On Apr 28 2019

The book of Enoch and other variants of it, are best flushed down the toilet, where they belong. If you start, you won't last five minutes into reading the book, before you'll shove it away, from finding the content, being ludicrous and a waste of even idle time.

ThePlainTruth, don't allow anyone to deceive and mislead you. The Book of Enoch is a perfected work and good art of reverse engineering. You can take this info to the bank.

As for the BoE, Book of Enoch, it wont make me comfortable, to wipe my bum with it, but I sure, wouldnt hesistate using it, in the absence of readily available toilet tissue paper.

MuttleyLaff's got clamped by the bot.
How about an extra time in your spiritual cleansing and maintenance hiatus?

Blabbermouth:
MuttleyLaff's got clamped by the bot.
How about an extra time in your spiritual cleansing and maintenance hiatus?

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This is my last comment on this thread.
Its more palaver than its worth. I have shared enough as it is with ThePlainTruth on the thread.
Someone who is wise heeds a warning or a piece of advice, even if it is very brief.

@MuttleyLaff
Good you mentioned Ifa before, so let me show you that your mind has been conditioned by some of the children's stories you have been reading.

Imagine Ifa religion and all the written records of how to worship Ifa were taken away to Rome and kept hidden away by the Romans ruler and kept in the palace of the Roman ruler and every temple of Ifa were destroyed. Now imagine a Book called Ifa book was now written by the Romans claiming to be the true book of Ifa worship and this book was the only access people have access to, but only the Roman Ruler had the original Ifa book and how to worship Ifa in his temple. Think about this for yourself if the Ifa book written by the Romans will be exactly the same as the original Ifa written records taken away to Rome and kept away in the palace of the Roman ruler.

@Dtruthspeaker & @MuttleyLaff
Now ask yourself if this new book of Ifa written by the Romans is brought back to you an Ifa worshiper in Nigeria to practice how to worship Ifa, will you accept it?
This is the reason Jews do not want to believe the New Testament of the Bible, because they know thier original scriptures were taken away and hidden in the temple of the Roman ruler around 2000 years ago. 

@MuttleyLaff
Better for you to go and get some wisdom before coming back on this thread.

MuttleyLaff:
"[i]Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you.
I often quote from some of the 256 Odu Ifa, I often quote from the Quran, even quote from Shakespeare, of course I quote from et cetera, lmso, but it doesnt mean I quoting from any of them sources, means they are absolute truths. I could be quoting from them as a counter reply, could be quoting from them to debunk the usual rubbish in some of them, lmso, could be quoting them, in course of having a meaningful, matured minds lively discussion et cetera.

MuttleyLaff:
[s]This is my last comment on this thread.
Its more palaver than its worth. I have shared enough as it is with ThePlainTruth on the thread.
Someone who is wise heeds a warning or a piece of advice, even if it is very brief[/s].

Op, Has Someone Not Tried Dat To U?

ThePlainTruth, please stop being deceitful and pulling a contextomy when you know that what I typed was:
"I often quote from some of the 256 Odu Ifa, I often quote from the Quran, even quote from Shakespeare, of course I quote from et cetera,"

Fyi, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. They complement each other, refuse to acknowledge both at your peril, is what I say to anyone kicking against either or both.

Define wisdom, lmso. You don't know the meaning of the word you cheaply and disrespectfully are using. KMFT.

@MuttleyLaff
You are something else if not how is my analogy using Ifa you mentioned deceitful?

Ask yourself why the Jews do not use the Bible we have today even though Jesus was a Jew?

These are the Jewish Scriptures they follow and not the Bible we have today
The Tanakh, largely identical to the Christian Old Testament, is the foundational scripture of Judaism. It consists of the Torah (“Teaching”)—the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, the Nevi’im (“Prophets”), and the Ketuvim (“Writings”). Judaism’s second central text is the Talmud, which is a record of discussions among leading ancient rabbis on Jewish law, ethics, customs, and history. The Talmud is made up of the Mishnah—the first written compilation of Jewish oral traditions, known as the “Oral Torah”—and the Gemara—commentary on the Mishnah. Most Jewish denominations place equal value on the Tanakh and Talmud, though Reform Judaism downplays the latter. While the Tanakh and Talmud are the principal sources of textual authority, Judaism’s vast compendium of rabbinic literature includes other sources of wisdom and guidance such as midrash, a form of biblical exegesis that incorporates elements of Jewish tradition and legend.
Source: https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/jewish-scripture

MuttleyLaff:
[s]ThePlainTruth, please stop being deceitful and pulling a contextomy when you know that what I typed was:
"I often quote from some of the 256 Odu Ifa, I often quote from the Quran, even quote from Shakespeare, of course I quote from et cetera,"

Fyi, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. They complement each other, refuse to acknowledge both at your peril, is what I say to anyone kicking against either or both.

Define wisdom, lmso. You don't know the meaning of the word you cheaply and disrespectfully are using. KMFT.[/s]

ThePlainTruth:
@MuttleyLaff
You are something else if not how is my analogy using Ifa you mentioned deceitful?

You selectively zeroed on the Odu Ifa part, when I you fully know that I deliberately typed the Odu Ifa part, in conjunction with Quran, Shakespeare and added et cetera

ThePlainTruth:
Ask yourself why the Jews do not use the Bible we have today even though Jesus was a Jew?

What your problem mehn. What part dont you understand of the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed? What part in they complement each other, refuse to acknowledge both at your peril, is what I say to anyone kicking against either or both, dont you understand, hmm?

ThePlainTruth:
These are the Jewish Scriptures the follow and not the Bible we have today
The Tanakh, largely identical to the Christian Old Testament, is the foundational scripture of Judaism. It consists of the Torah (“Teaching”)—the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, the Nevi’im (“Prophets”), and the Ketuvim (“Writings”). Judaism’s second central text is the Talmud, which is a record of discussions among leading ancient rabbis on Jewish law, ethics, customs, and history. The Talmud is made up of the Mishnah—the first written compilation of Jewish oral traditions, known as the “Oral Torah”—and the Gemara—commentary on the Mishnah. Most Jewish denominations place equal value on the Tanakh and Talmud, though Reform Judaism downplays the latter. While the Tanakh and Talmud are the principal sources of textual authority, Judaism’s vast compendium of rabbinic literature includes other sources of wisdom and guidance such as midrash, a form of biblical exegesis that incorporates elements of Jewish tradition and legend.
Source: https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/jewish-scripture

Scroll up and actually go to page 3 to see where I have shared all the above and all

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When people understand the Bible the better.

We are all here to understand duality. Good and evil are just different poles

Without evil there won't be good.

There is nothing like Satan like someone said it's just an adversary meaning an opposer.

sonmvayina:
Satan simply means an adversary..in the last election Atiku was Satan to buhari...only humans have adversary. Not the creator of heaven and earth..There is nothing created that the creator can't control ..to think so is a big insult...

The romans and Greeks created a Satan a dual opposite of the creator as a mockery to Him just as Daniel prophesied in 9:25, They are leading mankind to rebel against their creator..

So sad.

I agree with you 100% it's in the Bible people don't just want to see it. Before Satan tempted Jesus, Jesus was first hungry. The Bible said Jesus was hungry and Satan came and said turn this stone to bread

So it could be Satan the Bible was referring to was Jesus flesh

Indaboski007:
I agree with you 100% it's in the Bible people don't just want to see it. Before Satan tempted Jesus, Jesus was first hungry. The Bible said Jesus was hungry and Satan came and said turn this stone to bread

Wait a second? So you are saying that Jesus Christ's hunger was the reason Satan also offered that He, Jesus Christ, jump off a cliff, and Jesus Christ bow to him, Satan too?

Did you properly process this logic of yours at all?

sonmvayina:
Satan simply means an adversary..in the last election Atiku was Satan to buhari...only humans have adversary. Not the creator of heaven and earth..There is nothing created that the creator can't control ..to think so is a big insult...

The romans and Greeks created a Satan a dual opposite of the creator as a mockery to Him just as Daniel prophesied in 9:25, They are leading mankind to rebel against their creator..

So sad.

"⁶One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
⁷“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan.
“From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”
- Job 1:6-7

"¹On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
²“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan.
“From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.””
- Job 2:1-2

1/ Did the Romans and Greeks also create the Satan in Old Testament book of Job, hmm?
2/ Did God control or not control Satan in Job 1:12, huh?

Indaboski007:
When people understand the Bible the better.

We are all here to understand duality. Good and evil are just different poles

Without evil there won't be good.

There is nothing like Satan like someone said it's just an adversary meaning an opposer.

"And the devil (i.e. Satan) who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where [are] both the beast and the false prophet;
and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages."
- Revelation 20:10

Satan got you exactly where Satan needs and/or wants you, lmso, which is convincing you that there is nothing like Satan or that Satan doesnt exist

Kobojunkie:
Wait a second? So you are saying that Jesus Christ's hunger was the reason Satan also offered that He, Jesus Christ, jump off a cliff, and Jesus Christ bow to him, Satan too?

Did you properly process this logic of yours at all?

We are talking first temptation answer that one first then I'll tell you about second and third temptation.

Indaboski007:
We are talking first temptation answer that one first then I'll tell you about second and third temptation.

I would rather you provide a scriptural reference for what you claim so we are indeed on the same page at least.

@MuttleyLaff

Question for you: How did the other books make it into the 66 canon?

Will you say the original 1611 1st Edition of King James Bible too is fake? As the Edition of King James Bible we have today does not have all the Books in the 1st Edition of 1611, see screenshot. For your information the Romans have documented history of about thousand years BC

MuttleyLaff:
All scripture are God inspired. All "many versions to a story" are not God inspired. All apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, now this is especially talking of your beloved "adult scriptures" BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch,) for a very strong reason, didn't make it into the 66 canon, my dear new friend theplaintruth.

Now, here is the point, my dear new friend theplaintruth, and let me clear you on whats going on here with all those apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, like your beloved BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch) that you are besotted with, Jubilees, BoJ (i.e. the Book of Jasher,) Book of A&E (i.e. the Book of Adam and Eve,) Book of Noah et cetera
 My dear new friend theplaintruth, it is because these books, are not in fact, what they write to be, is why they aren't in the 66 books that make up the Protestant Bible. There are no authenticities, in any of the apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books, including your favourite in this matter, the BoE (i.e. the Book of Enoch)