Blabbermouth:
Sometimes I wonder if these JW guys ever sit down on their own and personally learn from the WORD.

I understand you have poor opinion about Jehovah's witnesses.
I want to assure you that all our teachings is based wholly on what the Bible teaches and not just on traditions of men!
we know the Bible is in Harmony throughout so we don't cherry pick when we're studying it!
We have tremendous respect for the bible (1Thes 2:13). We reference the bible constantly and let it speak for itself (2Tim 3:16).

You too can apply this in your personal study of the Bible. Make sure to compare a part alongside with another.
When you're open-minded with the right attitude to bring your thoughts and belief in line with what the Bible teaches. You will find the approach effective

Seen.

livingchrist:
but God hurt the earth when he poured down fire on sodom and gomorrah?

God actually destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah but it's not the whole earth that was affected like Noah's days {Genesis 8:21-22} when you and i speak of the earth even a toddler knows the difference between Biafra war and World War, one affected only a portion of West Africa but the other affected the whole earth. That's shows the difference between Noah's days and that of Sodom and Gomorrah, note that there are some other parts of the earth where people living there may never know anything about Sodom and Gomorrah if not because we now have the record but there was no survivor outside Noah's ark! Genesis 7:23

@ your question, I dont know for you all I know is what God said.

The highlighted shows you're not up to the task when talking about preaching and teaching effectively {2Timothy 2:15} because honest hearted individuals will ask you thought provoking questions before believing (trusting) the book (Bible) you're trying to make him accept as God's word, and if you're not competent enough to convince them, your threat of Hellfire won't move them. That's the more reason why you see only Jehovah's Witnesses having real dedicated members who are immovable in their faith, because each fully knows what and why he is trusting in a book brought to us by the white man. By the time someone starts asking sincere heart to heart questions from Churchgoers like you all you will say is "i don't know for you all i know is what God said" forgetting that people world over believe in God before the white man brought the Bible!

Guy the only punishment God pronounced against sin is death {Genesis 2:17} Adam can eat, drink, share moments with his wife and children but at death Adam returns to non-existence {Ecclesiastes 9:5} according to God's word that is the capital punishment for sin, this means it's while you're alive that you can bring reproach on your Maker so when you're dead you can't cause any harm again.
That's the LOVE in God's attributes {1John 4:8} he doesn't wish anyone to even return to such condition (inactivity) in the first place {2Peter 3:9} because it's only living things that proves he is able not the dead!
So at death God's word says you have paid fully for sin {Romans 6:7,23} he has nothing to do with your dead body, it's evil men that aren't satisfied when their adversary dies they want more to happen because they feel everyone will die, so they can't comprehend how death just solves the problem that's why they're thinking of some form of continuous punishment even when their enemy is breathless!

livingchrist:
lie, lie fraudulent max, which spice? Repetiting lie over and over again does not make it true. Where did satan meet you and told you, death is not the end? Lie, lie, if at death man's sin is paid how come Jehovah will resurrect some people and will not resurrect others, on what ground would Jehovah make that Judgment If all the dead sin has being paid.


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However, those who become so wicked that they are beyond reform will not be resurrected. When such ones die, they suffer permanent destruction with no hope of a return to life.​—Matthew 23:33; Hebrews 10:26, 27.

According to this excerpt not everybody will be resurrected, now If everyone's sin has being paid by their dead why should Jehovah still judge these one to not participate in the resurrection base on their previous actions?

JEHOVAH will not resurrect wicked people because they have proved to be a menace to others, note that we are not dying due to our own actions, death spread to all of us through Adam {Romans 5:12} so it's out of compassion that God wants to have innocent ones back so they could prove that if they're given the same opportunity like Adam had they will remain faithful and loyal to their Maker. But if someone has proved to be evil on his own then there is no need bringing him back since God has promised that life then will be without pain, bringing back the heartless ones is like complicating issues for Abel to wake up and see Cain again beside him! Psalms 37:9-11

How did Jehovah come to conclusion that the wicked are beyond reform? If Jehovah will not judge people on their past lives

JEHOVAH searches the heart {Proverbs 17:3} so if someone is always planning evil God will not forcefully change such a heart, all what he does is plead with them to change {Act 3:19} of course he will give all a fair chance so it's the evil person that will declared himself unworthy of resurrection through his own works.

Where Churchgoers get confused is @ Revelation 20:11-15, most Bible readers thought God will set a panel and everyone will line up like in a court room and each person will start accounting for what they did in their past life {Revelation 20:13} Well remember Daniel said the word of God will become difficult for most people to discern in the endtime {Daniel 12:10} So calm down and learn what the Bible book of Revelation means, resurrected ones will be people who died just like all others due to Adam's sin, but they lived a lives based on the situation they encountered Just as Abraham, David and a host of others took up weapons to kill their enemies {Matthew 26:52} because that's the only way they thought they can have PEACE, all these people including billions who also lived their lives based on the circumstances they find themselves will be resurrected.
So during a period of 1,000 year what Jesus taught will be presented to all resurrected ones for them to prove they're ready to follow the way, truth and life. Whoever refuses by then will return to non-existence.
That's the meaning of what you are reading at Revelation 20.
Any other meaning will contradict what has been written before then, unless you want to say God's word is beyond the understanding of all, then there is no reason to preach or teach what you can't comprehend!

Before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses i often wonder how come this people (JWs) are so bold and confident to approach anyone with their bags?
All other religionists stands at a distance, in a bus, train or walkways talking to the air, but JWs will boldly approach you with the aim of striking a conversation {Act 2:8} it was much later that i realized all other religionists aren't fully competent nor equipped to preach and teach, so they only mimick what they've been hearing everywhere.
A Muslim will say "if you fail to accept my religion (which he himself can't fully explain if thoroughly questioned) you will end up in Hellfire"
A Churchgoer will say "if you fail to accept my religion (which he himself can't fully explain if thoroughly questioned) you will end up in Hellfire"
But none of them can sit down to explain fully if someone wants to ask them thought provoking questions regarding what they're saying.
The tradition has been like that for ages and today, most people feel when someone stands in a bus, walkway or at a distance shouting Hellfire! Hellfire! it means preaching!
Only right thinking persons do spare their time to sit down, listen and ask questions from a real preacher and teacher sent by God! Matthew 28:19-20 compared to Malachi 3:16

haddeylium:



I understand you have poor opinion about Jehovah's witnesses.
I want to assure you that all our teachings is based wholly on what the Bible teaches and not just on traditions of men!
we know the Bible is in Harmony throughout so we don't cherry pick when we're studying it!
We have tremendous respect for the bible (1Thes 2:13). We reference the bible constantly and let it speak for itself (2Tim 3:16).

You too can apply this in your personal study of the Bible. Make sure to compare a part alongside with another.
When you're open-minded with the right attitude to bring your thoughts and belief in line with what the Bible teaches. You will find the approach effective

Blabbermouth:

The guy na maradona.

haddeylium:


Lol.
what a clouded reasoning is this bayi

The key word there is 'God destroyed the world of Noah's day'
Make do with that

They won't teach you this in Sunday School. Don't rush the learning.
The term 'Earth' is used in the Bible in a figurative sense in reference to humandkind or human society!
Psalm 96:1
O sing unto the LORD a new song: sing unto the LORD, all the earth.( compare with Gen 11:1)
Earth according to the verse refers to 'human society'
When Jesus said his followers shouldn't be part of the World...Is it the planet Earth his referring to or the unrighteous human society ?

Parallel line was draw on how the destruction of the world in Noah's day will be the same as how it will happen in our time!
It's the wicked people that was destroyed and not the planet Earth, So it will happen in our days

According to the Bible, the earth will not be destroyed, but the “world” of evil mankind that will be annihilated!

God has established the earth on its foundations; it will not be moved from its place forever and ever.”​—Psalm 104:5.

God cannot lie, it's you the need understanding (1Titus 2:1)

Lie, lie

Verse 5 said you are a liar

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

The heavens and earth that was created of old was not mankind neither the current heaven and earth mankind also.
Vs 7

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Blabbermouth:
Another fruitless night.
I even thought Barristter07 was loaded. Jossy4, no worry you hear, you will be filled with the truth when you are set free.
It's not a curse, na covenant, it's impossible for anyone to gainsay whenever I'm speaking the plain Truth of Christ.

Bye.

I disagree with what is in bold.

Who tell you sey it is FRUITLESS

For those with eyes, ears and reasoning minds. It is an opportunity to sharpen their skills. Discussion like these brings so many things into play from the SCRIPTURE

To ju ba fara bale daadaa A RI MU.

For example....

Jesus was Born of Spirit, does that make Him a spirit being on earth? According to JW doctrine?

At what point did your spirit being people BORN OF SPIRIT?

1. Before they died
2. After death



Those questions above throw WHAT is BORN of SPIRIT is SPIRIT into a serious CONUNDRUM

Jesus is BORN of SPIRIT

Jesus is SPIRIT

BEFORE or AFTER

AFTER or BEFORE

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the only punishment God pronounced against sin is death {Genesis 2:17} Adam can eat, drink, share moments with his wife and children but at death Adam returns to non-existence {Ecclesiastes 9:5} according to God's word that is the capital punishment for sin, this means it's while you're alive that you can bring reproach on your Maker so when you're dead you can't cause any harm again.
That's the LOVE in God's attributes {1John 4:8} he doesn't wish anyone to even return to such condition (inactivity) in the first place {2Peter 3:9} because it's only living things that proves he is able not the dead!
So at death God's word says you have paid fully for sin {Romans 6:7,23} he has nothing to do with your dead body, it's evil men that aren't satisfied when their adversary dies they want more to happen because they feel everyone will die, so they can't comprehend how death just solves the problem that's why they're thinking of some form of continuous punishment even when their enemy is breathless!




JEHOVAH will not resurrect wicked people because they have proved to be a menace to others, note that we are not dying due to our own actions, death spread to all of us through Adam {Romans 5:12} so it's out of compassion that God wants to have innocent ones back so they could prove that if they're given the same opportunity like Adam had they will remain faithful and loyal to their Maker. But if someone has proved to be evil on his own then there is no need bringing him back since God has promised that life then will be without pain, bringing back the heartless ones is like complicating issues for Abel to wake up and see Cain again beside him! Psalms 37:9-11




JEHOVAH searches the heart {Proverbs 17:3} so if someone is always planning evil God will not forcefully change such a heart, all what he does is plead with them to change {Act 3:19} of course he will give all a fair chance so it's the evil person that will declared himself unworthy of resurrection through his own works.

Where Churchgoers get confused is @ Revelation 20:11-15, most Bible readers thought God will set a panel and everyone will line up like in a court room and each person will start accounting for what they did in their past life {Revelation 20:13} Well remember Daniel said the word of God will become difficult for most people to discern in the endtime {Daniel 12:10} So calm down and learn what the Bible book of Revelation means, resurrected ones will be people who died just like all others due to Adam's sin, but they lived a lives based on the situation they encountered Just as Abraham, David and a host of others took up weapons to kill their enemies {Matthew 26:52} because that's the only way they thought they can have PEACE, all these people including billions who also lived their lives based on the circumstances they find themselves will be resurrected.
So during a period of 1,000 year what Jesus taught will be presented to all resurrected ones for them to prove they're ready to follow the way, truth and life. Whoever refuses by then will return to non-existence.
That's the meaning of what you are reading at Revelation 20.
Any other meaning will contradict what has been written before then, unless you want to say God's word is beyond the understanding of all, then there is no reason to preach or teach what you can't comprehend!

Only right thinking persons do spare their time to sit down


They become RIGHT THINKING when they dance to your PREACHING when they don't it becomes NOT HONEST HEARTED

haddeylium:



I understand you have poor opinion about Jehovah's witnesses.
I want to assure you that all our teachings is based wholly on what the Bible teaches and not just on traditions of men!
we know the Bible is in Harmony throughout so we don't cherry pick when we're studying it!
We have tremendous respect for the bible (1Thes 2:13). We reference the bible constantly and let it speak for itself (2Tim 3:16).

You too can apply this in your personal study of the Bible. Make sure to compare a part alongside with another.
When you're open-minded with the right attitude to bring your thoughts and belief in line with what the Bible teaches. You will find the approach effective

I understand you have poor opinion about Jehovah's witnesses.

For real Blabbermouth will respond soon enough.

I want to assure you that all our teachings is based wholly on what the Bible teaches and not just on traditions of men

I hope you can distinguish ORGANIZATION POLICIES and what BIBLE teaches in the religious ORGANIZATION you belong.

ORGANIZATION POLICIES and TRADITIONS of MEN

Blabbermouth:
Sometimes I wonder if these JW guys ever sit down on their own and personally learn from the WORD.

Oga blabbermouth you forget that their is a CHANNEL the WORD is using to deliver SPIRITUAL food during the last days.

How can you BYPASS the CHANNEL and personally go ahead and learn from the WORD. In the land of JW the offence is called RUNNING ahead of the CHARIOT aka ORGANIZATION (which equates the GB) and disobeying those taking the LEAD the GB of JWS



If you don't submit to that CHANNEL salvation is not guaranteed because JEHOVAH and JESUS COMPLETELY TRUST that CHANNEL.

The word of GB is the word of JEHOVAH not even JESUS. You either take it or leave it.

In summary JW personal study should in NO WAY go BEYOND what is WRITTEN in this case what the FDS aka GB has written. Teaching or preaching what is contrary to what GB says equals APOSTASY. You hear!!!!

haddeylium:



Reason am!
What effect could fire brings to an intensely hot sun and stars?


While you're at it... You're avoiding this..
We've both established that the Jesus co-rulers will form the new heaven and rule upon the earth.
So, where will the new earth be and who are those to inherit it?

It may be impossible to man but not to God.

MaxInDHouse:

God actually destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah but it's not the whole earth that was affected like Noah's days {Genesis 8:21-22} when you and i speak of the earth even a toddler knows the difference between Biafra war and World War, one affected only a portion of West Africa but the other affected the whole earth. That's shows the difference between Noah's days and that of Sodom and Gomorrah, note that there are some other parts of the earth where people living there may never know anything about Sodom and Gomorrah if not because we now have the record but there was no survivor outside Noah's ark! Genesis 7:23




The highlighted shows you're not up to the task when talking about preaching and teaching effectively {2Timothy 2:15} because honest hearted individuals will ask you thought provoking questions before believing (trusting) the book (Bible) you're trying to make him accept as God's word, and if you're not competent enough to convince them, your threat of Hellfire won't move them. That's the more reason why you see only Jehovah's Witnesses having real dedicated members who are immovable in their faith, because each fully knows what and why he is trusting in a book brought to us by the white man. By the time someone starts asking sincere heart to heart questions from Churchgoers like you all you will say is "i don't know for you all i know is what God said" forgetting that people world over believe in God before the white man brought the Bible!

but this time God is making the destruction universal.

You said "what did the heavens and earth do for God to destroy them" and I asked you " what did the animals do for God to destroy them in noah's time, what did the building and animals do for God to destroy them in sodom"

If God can destroy the animals buildings and even children then God can definitely destroy the heavens and earth.

livingchrist:
man's spirit do not physically die only the flesh dies. [/b]That is why God said you shall return to dust meaning, God wasnt speaking of the Spirit but of the flesh.
Solomon was only writing from the position of physical death.
[b]Man's spirit either go to heaven or go to hell depending 9n his state before he died.

After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 7:46am On Nov 12


Did they die physical a death the day they eat the fruit? Yes or no

Since the day Adam ate the forbidden fruit Adam died a spiritual death, his spirit died , shey?

Bros, says Adam's spirit died while his flesh was alive and birth children

Bros, since Adam's spirit died while his flesh is alive, where was his spirit then ?

Where was Adam's spirit when his flesh went to dust ?

I believe in God's promises!

He swear never to destroy all the trees and animals again as he did in Noah's days {Genesis 8:21-22} during the time he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah this promises still stands because it wasn't all the creatures on planet earth that was affected!
So what Peter said @ 2Peter 3:7, 12 must be symbolic not literal otherwise what you're insinuating is that we shouldn't count on God's promises!

livingchrist:
but this time God is making the destruction universal.

You said "what did the heavens and earth do for God to destroy them" and I asked you " what did the animals do for God to destroy them in noah's time, what did the building and animals do for God to destroy them in sodom"

If God can destroy the animals buildings and even children then God can definitely destroy the heavens and earth.

Please tell me how you're going to correlate these verses and make your listener believe (trust) in the promises of what is found in this same book (Bible)

Emusan:


Next time address ALL my post....

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ?

Emphasis on BORN OF SPIRIT....

Jesus was Born of Spirit, does that make Him a spirit being on earth? According to your doctrine...

All believers are BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit, they should all be a spirit being also.

At what point did your spirit being people BORN OF SPIRIT?
1. Before they died
2. After death

Jesus birth through Mary didn't make him born of spirit. He was just born BY spirit.

If born of spirit is birth through a Woman without intercourse, Nicodemus would have been right when he said entering a woman's womb.

But you should know better , so much for a poor student of the Bible.



If only you had payed attention , What is born of flesh is flesh, does that mean The Flesh is born immediately the sperm is hatched, it takes stages and process, 9 month pregnancy, then an human is born .

What is born of Spirit is Spirit does not mean they are spirit beings on Earth, they had to Even prove Faithful before getting that adoption , it's a New kind of birth , which result in *A Spirit being

This is why that point , " Is Spirit " is crucial .

And exactly why you are running away from it

Blabbermouth:

Another strawman!
I don't even see any "A" in my bible.
Do you have any point or shall we say the closing prayer

Exactly that shows how little you know.

The exact same phrase that appeared at John 4:24 appeared at John 3:6 , God is Spirit. What is born of spirit is Spirit.

Does God is Spirit make God a Spirit being ? If yes, same as John 3:6

This is what you find hard to grasp, you Even wasted time arguing " A " that doesn't even appear in the text . Shows

Jozzy4:


Good !!! Your not seeing A proves you are just blabbing all this while. A was not in that verse.

Both have same construction

God ( IS Spirit )

What is born of Spirit ( IS Spirit )

The point is clear that it all refer to Spirit beings ?

Exactly

Jozzy4:


Not human or possessing physical body .

Good.

Blabbermouth:

Correct!
I rejected you first notion because you said "A spirit being" , not "A spirit".

Correct!

Now, do tell, I pray you, can any man who is not spiritual make God's kingdom?

Can anyone make the kingdom of God without being birthed by Christ?

God is spirit and God is a Spirit being is the same thing. A dictionary would have saved you this embarasment

Some ignorant folks here mistake Jesus birth through a woman as Born of spirit.

" How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” John 3:4

It has nothing to do with womb birth .

Barristter07:

God is spirit and God is a Spirit being is the same thing. A dictionary would have saved you this embarasment

Lion is a natural being and lion is human is the same thing. A dictionary would have saved you this embarrassment.

I already replied the guy, go and check it out and see your error.

Barristter07:
Some ignorant folks here mistake Jesus birth through a woman as Born of spirit.

" How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” John 3:4

It has nothing to do with womb birth .

What is Born of flesh?
What is Born of spirit?
Can anyone be born of both flesh and spirit?
Is Jesus (on earth of course) born of flesh, born of spirit, or born of both flesh and spirit?

Do well to answer each questions with succinct answers.

Blabbermouth:

Lion is a natural being and lion is human is the same thing. A dictionary would have saved you this embarrassment.

I already replied the guy, go and check it out and see your error.

The main point is this , explain the statement " Is Spirit " which appear at John 4:24 and John 3:6

Your first attempt was an error, nothing like Has a spirit in the text . So explain that statement properly

Barristter07:


Jesus birth through Mary didn't make him born of spirit. He was just born BY spirit.

If born of spirit is birth through a Woman without intercourse, Nicodemus would have been right when he said entering a woman's womb.

But you should know better , so much for a poor student of the Bible.



If only you had payed attention , What is born of flesh is flesh, does that mean The Flesh is born immediately the sperm is hatched, it takes stages and process, 9 month pregnancy, then an human is born .

What is born of Spirit is Spirit does not mean they are spirit beings on Earth, they had to Even prove Faithful before getting that adoption , it's a New kind of birth , which result in *A Spirit being

This is why that point , " Is Spirit " is crucial .

And exactly why you are running away from it

You totally missed Emusan's point.
Next time, if you don't grab something well, ask him questions to be clear.

Barristter07:


The main point is this , explain the statement " Is Spirit " which appear at John 4:24 and John 3:6

Your first attempt was an error, nothing like Has a spirit in the text . So explain that statement properly

I already answered you. Didn't you see it?

Blabbermouth:

What is Born of flesh?

Is flesh , an human person is the final product

What is Born of spirit?

New birth , which final product is a Spirit person.

Can anyone be born of both flesh and spirit?

Yes, that's why it's called " adoption" , God adopt them former humans as Spirit sons

Is Jesus (on earth of course) born of flesh, born of spirit, or born of both flesh and spirit?

Do well to answer each questions with succinct answers.

" the word was made Flesh "

Jesus birth was a birth as Flesh .

God approve him as a future spirit son. When he baptized

His followers once they are born by spirit have the same hope as Spirit sons

Blabbermouth:

I already answered you. Didn't you see it?

You didn't , explain the phrase " Is spirit "

Barristter07:


Is flesh , an human person is the final product

New birth , which final product is a Spirit person.

Yes, that's why it's called " adoption" , God adopt them former humans as Spirit sons

" the word was made Flesh "

Jesus birth was a birth as Flesh .

God approve him as a future spirit son. When he baptized

His followers once they are born by spirit have the same hope as Spirit sons

That is to say - Jesus was born of flesh.
He only became of born of spirit after he ressurected.

Isn't that so?

Barristter07:


You didn't , explain the phrase " Is spirit "

This would be the second time.

To start with, have it in mind that we can classify beings as - Natural beings and Spirit beings
However, there is one tad bit mistake you must not make;
Human is a natural being √
Lion is a natural being √
A natural being is lion ×
A natural being is Human ×

I saw you and Jossy made this comparison error couple of times
A spirit is a spirit being √
The Divine is a spirit being √
A spirit being is the divine ×
A spirit being is A spirit ×

Hope you understand now?

Mistake 2: Jesus was never born of the flesh! (When sticking with the context of John 3)
Help yourself with this - That which is of the flesh is Carnal, that which is of the spirit is Spiritual.

The phrase "Born of Spirit is spirit" means Being born of Christ (The last Adam), the first of His kind - A spiritual man.

The phrase "Born of Flesh is flesh" means being born of Adam(The first Adam), the first of his kind - A natural/carnal man.

1. Thus, anyone that is not born of Christ will never ever have the permission or grace to enter God's kingdom.

2. Thus, anyone that is not a spiritual man will never ever have what is needed to perform the worship Jesus spoke of to the woman at the well.

In heaven, Angelic creatures and the likes do not worship God in any other way except in spirit.

It is impossible to perform a spiritual worship to a spirit God in a spiritual temple without HAVING A SPIRIT yourself!
How is it possible.
Yet, Jesus said - true worshippers will worship The spirit God in spirit.

A carnal man can never perform that worship, only a spiritual man can!

To sum it, the spiritual man is a spirit being!

Before you reply, Do this!

If you see yourself as a true worshipper who worship A spirit God in spirit, then ask yourself - how have I been worshipping God in spirit (just as the Angelic creatures in heaven) without having a spirit (just as the Angelic creature in heaven)

Either you are not a true worshipper, or you have a spirit, this day you will know.

Blabbermouth:

That is to say - Jesus was born of flesh.
He only became of born of spirit after he ressurected.

Isn't that so?

The moment a person is born of spirit after their baptism, ( Jesus was born of spirit when he got baptized) , they know. Just as what is born of flesh doesnt become flesh until 9 months of pregnancy , What is born of spirit doesn't become spirit until their Ressurection

Barristter07:


The moment a person is born of spirit after their baptism, ( Jesus was born of spirit when he got baptized) , they know. Just as what is born of flesh doesnt become flesh until 9 months of pregnancy , What is born of spirit doesn't become spirit until their Ressurection

Wrong!
When you abort baby before 9 months, what comes forth - confirm flesh!

Try something else.
Your "it's a gradual process" idea did not click.
(There is a percentage of truth in what you said above though)