Barristter07, now I'm loving where this conversation is heading.
I will be back.

Blabbermouth:

This would be the second time.

To start with, have it in mind that we can classify beings as - Natural beings and Spirit beings
However, there is one tad bit mistake you must not make;
Human is a natural being √
Lion is a natural being √
A natural being is lion ×
A natural being is Human ×

I saw you and Jossy made this comparison error couple of times
A spirit is a spirit being √
The Divine is a spirit being √
A spirit being is the divine ×
A spirit being is A spirit ×

Hope you understand now?

Mistake 2: Jesus was never born of the flesh! (When sticking with the context of John 3)
Help yourself with this - That which is of the flesh is Carnal, that which is of the spirit is Spiritual.

The phrase "Born of Spirit is spirit" means Being born of Christ (The last Adam), the first of His kind - A spiritual man.

The phrase "Born of Flesh is flesh" means being born of Adam(The first Adam), the first of his kind - A natural/carnal man.

1. Thus, anyone that is not born of Christ will never ever have the permission or grace to enter God's kingdom.

2. Thus, anyone that is not a spiritual man will never ever have what is needed to perform the worship Jesus spoke of to the woman at the well.

In heaven, Angelic creatures and the likes do not worship God in any other way except in spirit.

It is impossible to perform a spiritual worship to a spirit God in a spiritual temple without HAVING A SPIRIT yourself!
How is it possible.
Yet, Jesus said - true worshippers will worship The spirit God in spirit.

A carnal man can never perform that worship, only a spiritual man can!

To sum it, the spiritual man is a spirit being!

Before you reply, Do this!

If you see yourself as a true worshipper who worship A spirit God in spirit, then ask yourself - how have I been worshipping God in spirit (just as the Angelic creatures in heaven) without having a spirit (just as the Angelic creature in heaven)

Either you are not a true worshipper, or you have a spirit, this day you will know.

Thank you. This is what I wanted all this while. The verse didn't say what is born of spirit is a Spiritual man .

It says what is born of spirit " IS SPIRIT"

This are spirit's , creatures without physical bodies.

"He makes his angels spirits" Heb 1:7

He himself is Spirit. ( John 4:24) Spirit does not have flesh and bones. Are you saying " Is spirit " at John 4:24 means God is a Spiritual MAN ? Yeye dey smell

Blabbermouth:

Wrong!
When you abort baby before 9 months, what comes forth - confirm flesh!

Try something else.
Your "it's a gradual process" idea did not click.
(There is a percentage of truth in what you said above though)

That's the point. Likewise for someone born of the spirit, what comes forth after their Ressurection is Spirit person.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the only punishment God pronounced against sin is death {Genesis 2:17} Adam can eat, drink, share moments with his wife and children but at death Adam returns to non-existence {Ecclesiastes 9:5} according to God's word that is the capital punishment for sin, this means it's while you're alive that you can bring reproach on your Maker so when you're dead you can't cause any harm again.
That's the LOVE in God's attributes {1John 4:8} he doesn't wish anyone to even return to such condition (inactivity) in the first place {2Peter 3:9} because it's only living things that proves he is able not the dead!
So at death God's word says you have paid fully for sin {Romans 6:7,23} he has nothing to do with your dead body, it's evil men that aren't satisfied when their adversary dies they want more to happen because they feel everyone will die, so they can't comprehend how death just solves the problem that's why they're thinking of some form of continuous punishment even when their enemy is breathless!




JEHOVAH will not resurrect wicked people because they have proved to be a menace to others[/b, note that we are not dying due to our own actions, death spread to all of us through Adam {Romans 5:12} so it's out of compassion that God wants to have [b]innocent ones back so they could prove that if they're given the same opportunity like Adam had they will remain faithful and loyal to their Maker. But if someone has proved to be evil on his own then there is no need bringing him back since God has promised that life then will be without pain, bringing back the heartless ones is like complicating issues for Abel to wake up and see Cain again beside him! Psalms 37:9-11




JEHOVAH searches the heart{Proverbs 17:3} so if someone is always planning evil God will not forcefully change such a heart, all what he does is plead with them to change {Act 3:19} of course he will give all a fair chance so it's the evil person that will declared himself unworthy of resurrection through his own works.

Where Churchgoers get confused is @ Revelation 20:11-15, most Bible readers thought God will set a panel and everyone will line up like in a court room and each person will start accounting for what they did in their past life {Revelation 20:13} Well remember Daniel said the word of God will become difficult for most people to discern in the endtime {Daniel 12:10} So calm down and learn what the Bible book of Revelation means, [b]resurrected ones will be people who died just like all others due to Adam's sin, but they lived a lives based on the situation they encountered Just as Abraham, David and a host of others took up weapons to kill their enemies {Matthew 26:52} because that's the only way they thought they can have PEACE, all these people including billions who also lived their lives based on the circumstances they find themselves will be resurrected.
So during a period of 1,000 year what Jesus taught will be presented to all resurrected ones for them to prove they're ready to follow the way, truth and life. Whoever refuses by then will return to non-existence.
That's the meaning of what you are reading at Revelation 20.
Any other meaning will contradict what has been written before then, unless you want to say God's word is beyond the understanding of all, then there is no reason to preach or teach what you can't comprehend!

@bolded thought you said anyone who is dead can no longer be Judged, how can Jehovah judged the wicked who are already dead not to take part in the resurrection?
That means they are not free from sin after all,

You brother said those who are dead has already paid for their sin, meaning the wicked has already paid for their sin, then it would be unrighteous for Jehovah not to resurrect them, It would mean Jehovah judged not qualified to live based on their sin that they already paid.


By saying the dead pay for their sin, it would mean Jesus death is irrelevant, why should Jesus die if, everyone who dies pay for their sin?
jehovah witness madness

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the only punishment God pronounced against sin is death {Genesis 2:17} Adam can eat, drink, share moments with his wife and children but at death Adam returns to non-existence {Ecclesiastes 9:5} according to God's word that is the capital punishment for sin, this means it's while you're alive that you can bring reproach on your Maker so when you're dead you can't cause any harm again.
That's the LOVE in God's attributes {1John 4:8} he doesn't wish anyone to even return to such condition (inactivity) in the first place {2Peter 3:9} because it's only living things that proves he is able not the dead!
So at death God's word says you have paid fully for sin {Romans 6:7,23} he has nothing to do with your dead body, it's evil men that aren't satisfied when their adversary dies they want more to happen because they feel everyone will die, so they can't comprehend how death just solves the problem that's why they're thinking of some form of continuous punishment even when their enemy is breathless!




JEHOVAH will not resurrect wicked people because they have proved to be a menace to others, note that we are not dying due to our own actions, death spread to all of us through Adam {Romans 5:12} so it's out of compassion that God wants to have innocent ones back so they could prove that if they're given the same opportunity like Adam had they will remain faithful and loyal to their Maker. But if someone has proved to be evil on his own then there is no need bringing him back since God has promised that life then will be without pain, bringing back the heartless ones is like complicating issues for Abel to wake up and see Cain again beside him! Psalms 37:9-11




JEHOVAH searches the heart {Proverbs 17:3} so if someone is always planning evil God will not forcefully change such a heart, all what he does is plead with them to change {Act 3:19} of course he will give all a fair chance so it's the evil person that will declared himself unworthy of resurrection through his own works.

Where Churchgoers get confused is @ Revelation 20:11-15, most Bible readers thought God will set a panel and everyone will line up like in a court room and each person will start accounting for what they did in their past life {Revelation 20:13} Well remember Daniel said the word of God will become difficult for most people to discern in the endtime {Daniel 12:10} So calm down and learn what the Bible book of Revelation means, resurrected ones will be people who died just like all others due to Adam's sin, but they lived a lives based on the situation they encountered Just as Abraham, David and a host of others took up weapons to kill their enemies {Matthew 26:52} because that's the only way they thought they can have PEACE, all these people including billions who also lived their lives based on the circumstances they find themselves will be resurrected.
So during a period of 1,000 year what Jesus taught will be presented to all resurrected ones for them to prove they're ready to follow the way, truth and life. Whoever refuses by then will return to non-existence.
That's the meaning of what you are reading at Revelation 20.
Any other meaning will contradict what has been written before then, unless you want to say God's word is beyond the understanding of all, then there is no reason to preach or teach what you can't comprehend!

lie lie fraud max,


Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The only people that will experience the first resurrection are those who were killed for the gospel sake, and those who did not accept the mark of the beast every other dead did not live until the 1000 years ended
Lie lie

Barristter07:


That's the point. Likewise for someone born of the spirit, what comes forth after their Ressurection is Spirit person.

lie lie barrister, every christian is born of the spirit God does that make every Christian a Spirit being?

secondly, Jesus said if you are not born again you cannot enter God's kingdom, will the earth not be part of God's kingdom?
When Jesus comes the kingdom of this earth will automatically becomes God's kingdom

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Jesus said without being born again you cannot enter it.

Jesus said God's kingdom is within you, meaning kingdom of God is not just a region but a domain where God is king, anybody that is Christ is already in God's kingdom,

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


What happens to those who will not be part of God's kingdom
Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Without being born again no one can enter God's kingdom.

Barristter07:

That's the point. Likewise for someone born of the spirit, what comes forth after their Ressurection is Spirit person.

Don't be silly na, you said the person becomes flesh only after 9 months.
I just proved to you that even before the 9 months, the person has always been flesh.

Even in the womb, you are flesh!
In the same breathe, immediately after baptism (as you are reborn), you are spirit!

Na you kuku bring the comparison yourself, yet, your false position couldn't find its feet.

Barristter07:

Thank you. This is what I wanted all this while. The verse didn't say what is born of spirit is a Spiritual man .

Neither did the verse say is A spirit

It says what is born of spirit " IS SPIRIT"

Exactly! So, what does it mean?

This are spirit's , creatures without physical bodies.

The verse only said "is SPIRIT" , where did you see all the nonsense above.
I taught your brother basic English yesterday. The word "Spirit" there is not a noun (else, there would have been an article), it's a adjective!
That is to say the word "spirit" is an attribute of anyone "Born of spirit".

Do you copy?

"He makes his angels spirits" Heb 1:7

So?

He himself is Spirit. ( John 4:24)

He himself is good √
He himself is A good ×
Another error exposed!
God is Spirit is not the same as God is A spirit . The "spirit" in the first sentence is an adjective. The spirit in the second sentence is a noun.

Spirit does not have flesh and bones.[/u]
A Spirit (noun) does not have flesh and bones.
[quote]
Are you saying " Is spirit " at John 4:24 means God is a Spiritual MAN ? Yeye dey smell

To be honest, your understanding of English is poor.

Spirit(adjective) qualifies the Man (noun) we speak of, so Man is a spirit Man

Spirit (Adjective) qualifies the Deity (noun) we speak of, so the Deity is A Spirit Deity.

This is simple English na!
Oya, you've learnt.
You call yourself true worshippers, smiles.
Jesus said - True worshippers worship God in Spirit. Why Because the Deity they worship is spirit. Therefore, true worship is to be carried out in a spiritual temple by true worshippers who worship the Spirit God in Spirit.
Now declare, how do you, having no spirit enter into a spiritual temple
(i. was it your natural body that went into a spiritual temple) and worship your God, who is Spirit, in spirit.

Answer that question and what everybody has been telling you will either make perfect sense, or you will realize that you were never a true worshipper.

Someone doesn't know something instead of him to close mouth and learn he's busy raising shoulders up. Nawaoh!

DappaD:
Someone doesn't know something instead of him to close mouth and learn he's busy raising shoulders up. Nawaoh!

You should teach him na.
I only signed up for bible discussions, but for the truth of Christ, i found myself teach basic English - Use of indefinite article, Noun against Adjective and the likes.

No one, I repeat, no single one among you can answer the question I asked concerning spirit worship. It's not a curse, false notions cannot stant before plain truth.

livingchrist:
It may be impossible to man but not to God.

Actually, there's one thing Impossible for God but possible for Man!
He cannot tell lies (Titus 1:2)... It's impossible!

God has created the earth for humans to live forever.
Humans have flesh and blood, it's only spirit the heaven is meant for.


Matthew 5:5
5“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth.(compare with psalm 37:9)

Soon, God will take absolute control of the earth from Satan and his agent and destroy this ungodly ones 'world'. But this planet Earth as he promised will be restored back to paradise forming a society of 'new earth' with righteous ones inheriting as he promised!

Blabbermouth:

Neither did the verse say is A spirit

Exactly! So, what does it mean?

The verse only said "is SPIRIT" , where did you see all the nonsense above.
I taught your brother basic English yesterday. The word "Spirit" there is not a noun (else, there would have been an article) , it's a adjective!
That is to say the word "spirit" is an attribute of anyone "Born of spirit".

Do you copy?

So?

He himself is good √
He himself is A good ×
Another error exposed!
God is Spirit is not the same as God is A spirit . The "spirit" in the first sentence is an adjective. The spirit in the second sentence is a noun.

You are still showcasing your little poor knowledge of biblical Greek again. There is nothing like " a " in greek.

John 4:24 NIV


" God is spirit "

Berean study Bible

" God is Spirit "


An adjective or a noun ?

Blabbermouth:

Don't be silly na, you said the person becomes flesh only after 9 months.
I just proved to you that even before the 9 months, the person has always been flesh.

Even in the womb, you are flesh!
In the same breathe, immediately after baptism (as you are reborn), you are spirit!

Na you kuku bring the comparison yourself, yet, your false position couldn't find its feet.

What is BORN of flesh IS FLESH .... The point still stands. Either aborted or through vagina birth , what comes out is flesh .


Likewise What is Born of the Spirit "Is SPIRIT ." This happens at their Ressurection . What comes out his Spirit . They are called partakers of the divine nature/God's nature.

livingchrist:
lie lie barrister, every christian is born of the spirit God does that make every Christian a Spirit being?

secondly, Jesus said if you are not born again you cannot enter God's kingdom, will the earth not be part of God's kingdom?
When Jesus comes the kingdom of this earth will automatically becomes God's kingdom

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Jesus said without being born again you cannot enter it.

Sperm takes process to become flesh . Likewise born of spirit takes process to become the final product , Spirit.

You can't just be making noise, you that find it hard to explain how John would be lesser than the least person in God's kingdom. You have no idea of the discussion at hand.


The fact remains they will become , Spirit .

Does it say what is born of spirit is Human ?

U can explain to us what the phrase " Is spirit " means

Barristter07:


What is BORN of flesh IS FLESH .... The point still stands. Either aborted or through vagina birth , what comes out is flesh .

You are making me laugh hard. Abeg, no allow me choke on goat meat please

It DOESN'T HAVE TO COME OUT, in that womb, it is flesh! Before 9 month, it is flesh!

Likewise What is Born of the Spirit "Is SPIRIT ." This happens at their Ressurection .

Even before they reassurect, just like an embryo, they are spirit!

What comes out his Spirit . They are called partakers of the divine nature/God's nature.

Yea, every spiritual man is a partaker of the divine nature of God immediately you get baptized.

When you talk of nature here (from the verse you pulled that out), this is not about God's form or build up, no! It's about WHO HE IS! - Holy, righteous, Love and all.

The divine said himself - Be Ye Holy, just as I am holy.
You don't achieve this by yourself, no! It requires partaking in that Nature that Makes the divine himself holy.
Herein lies the true concept of GRACE.

Barristter07:


You are still showcasing your little poor knowledge of biblical Greek again. There is nothing like " a " in greek.

John 4:24 NIV

" God is spirit "

Berean study Bible

" God is Spirit "

An adjective or a noun ?

Don't you get what I've been saying since morning?
If there was "A" there, you would have been jubilating by now.

"Spirit" in that context is not a noun! You don't complete a dependent-auxiliary-verb like "is" with a noun!

The spirit is an adjective.
In both cases, it qualifies a noun.
In john 4:24, the adjective "spirit" qualifies the noun "God".

Same as in John 3.
The adjective " spirit " qualifies the noun "Anyone born of spirit"

Blabbermouth:

You are making me laugh hard. Abeg, no allow me choke on goat meat please

It DOESN'T HAVE TO COME OUT, in that womb, it is flesh! Before 9 month, it is flesh!

Even before they reassurect, just like an embryo, they are spirit!

It's takes process before it becomes flesh in that womb. From a liquid called sperm , So my point still stands.

Yea, every spiritual man is a partaker of the divine nature of God immediately you get baptized.

When you talk of nature here (from the verse you pulled that out), this is not about God's form or build up, no! It's about WHO HE IS! - Holy, righteous, Love and all.

The divine said himself - Be Ye Holy, just as I am holy.
You don't achieve this by yourself, no! It requires partaking in that Nature that Makes the divine himself holy.
Herein lies the true concept of GRACE.

It is . That's why it says " Is Spirit "

Spirit is God's form .

Barristter07:

Sperm takes process to become flesh . Likewise born of spirit takes process to become the final product , Spirit.

No story sir. Flesh has formed long before any coming out!

The fact remains they will become , Spirit.

No where does it say that - they will become a spirit. Don't import errors please.

Janosky:


Since the day Adam ate the forbidden fruit Adam died a spiritual death, his spirit died , shey?

Bros, says Adam's spirit died while his flesh was alive and birth children

Bros, since Adam's spirit died while his flesh is alive, where was his spirit then ?

Where was Adam's spirit when his flesh went to dust ?

When Adam sinned, what happened to his relationship with God? Why did God ask Adam where art thou, is it because God does not know where Adam was hiding or something else, remember there is no where anybody can hide that God does not know.


Spiritual death is the separation of man from his maker who is the source of life.


God is called the living waters, what happened when humans are separated from the true life who is God himself?


Paul described the gentiles as separated from the life of God, which is what spiritual death is?
Where do you think they inherited this nature from? Adam
When did it start? After Adam disobeyed God, that is why God said "Adam where are you?"

Blabbermouth:

Don't you get what I've been saying since morning?
If there was "A" there, you would have been jubilating by now.

"Spirit" in that context is not a noun! You don't complete a dependent-auxiliary-verb like "is" with a noun!


The spirit is an adjective.
In both cases, it qualifies a noun.
In john 4:24, the adjective "spirit" qualifies the noun "God".

Same as in John 3.
The adjective " spirit " qualifies the noun "Anyone born of spirit"

Qualifies the noun in what sense , Form/nature ?

Barristter07:


It's takes process before it becomes flesh in that womb. From a liquid called sperm , So my point still stands.

Which process? You never had a point!

It is . That's why it says " Is Spirit "

Again, nowhere did Jesus say you will become a spirit.

Spirit is God's form .

Shey God that should actually not be boxed to be a person in the first place?
The foundation is where you lost it.
God's spirit.
The Holy Spirit
Is the holy spirit A Spirit?

Barristter07:

Qualifies the noun in what sense , Form/nature ?

What is form?
What is nature?

Blabbermouth:

No story sir. Flesh has formed long before any coming out!

No where does it say that - they will become a spirit. Don't import errors please.

I use they will become because it's an Hope . . The main point is anyone born of spirit is Spirit. ( spirit is not physical, it's a different form entirely ) That's the hope.

Blabbermouth:

What is form?
What is nature?

Simple question: " is spirit " qualifies the noun in what sense , Form ? Nature ?

Talk

Barristter07:


I use they will become because it's an Hope . . The main point is anyone born of spirit is Spirit. ( spirit is not physical, it's a different form entirely ) That's the hope.

Help yourself by saying - Spirit is not natural.
Spirit things are bounded or related with spiritual realm. Natural things are bounded or related with natural realm.
Saying that spirit is not physical (I.e. Visible) might put you in a tight corner.

Barristter07:


Simple question: " is spirit " qualifies the noun in what sense , Form ? Nature ?
Talk

Define nature and define form. That should not be too hard, should it?

Blabbermouth:

You should teach him na.
I only signed up for bible discussions, but for the truth of Christ, i found myself teach basic English - Use of indefinite article, Noun against Adjective and the likes.

Determiners like they've already said was added by English translators what are you still making all the noise for?

No one, I repeat, no single one among you can answer the question I asked concerning spirit worship. It's not a curse, false notions cannot stant before plain truth.

Says the person who's bringing 1Corinthians 2:14-15 into the discussion
Boy you really make me laugh when I read some of your comments ngl
When I said shut up and learn, I meant what I said. It's for your own good!

Blabbermouth:

Define nature and define form. That should not be too hard, should it?

You can check the dictionary , I only want a clarification , in what sense does " Is Spirit " qualifies the noun in John 3:6 and John 4:24 ?

DappaD:


Determiners like they've already said was added my English translators what are you still making all the noise for?


Says the person who's bringing 1Corinthians 2:14-15 into the discussion
Boy you really make me laugh when I read some of your comments ngl
When I said shut up and learn, I meant what I said. It's for your own good!

I didn't read.

Barristter07:


You can check the dictionary , I only want a clarification , in what sense does " Is Spirit " qualifies the noun in John 3:6 and John 4:24 ?

Dictionary? No, I will skip. Give me yours.

(I had a chit chat with a JW and at the end, he was cunningly saying that the meaning of so so so, is not what he actually mean it as. C'mon, we are having an healthy discussion here, tell me what form and nature is )

Blabbermouth:

Dictionary? No, I will skip. Give me yours.

(I had a chit chat with a JW and at the end, he was cunningly saying that the meaning of so so so, is not what he actually mean it as. C'mon, we are having an healthy discussion here, tell me what form and nature is )

Okay, in what sense does " Is spirit " qualifies the noun at John 3:6 and John 4:24 , what does it reveal about the noun ?