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| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by chrisxxx(m): 12:20pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:Bros God bless you. I have not repeated this not to fall into the trap of hate speech. Ikwerre perception is that of seeing Igbo people as slaves. That is what I grew up to know. Any time they needed slave went into Igbo land to look for one. How can you turn around to call him someone he had always called slave? That's the problem. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 12:21pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
samuk:Given your submissions to be contented with the 5 SE states. What will be the remedy for me and other igbos like chibuike amaechi and the ones in obigbo who will want to be with the other upland igbos in your so called 5 SE states. It's we they are fighting for and not for themselves. I appreciate their selflessness |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 12:24pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
chrisxxx:The name Ikwerre does not ring more bell than the igbos anywhere in the world |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by chrisxxx(m): 12:29pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:Perhaps due to its size. Do you know the Omani currency is more valuable than the Dollar? |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by samuk: 12:33pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Obi1kenobi:Why will anyone deny their heritage and then put in an effort to fabricate a history linking them to Benin. It doesn't make sense. Ikwerre can even gain more from claiming Igbo heritage in a multi ethnic state as Rivers because the millions of Igbos that resides there will always give them their political support not to talk of the wider Igbo nation. There is no reason for Ikwerre to deny being Igbo today because they are in a different state and region, the fear of domination by other Igbo is no longer there as it were when they were part of the old eastern region. All these denials point to one fact, that is they were forced or coerced in the past to claim Igbo identity and as soon as they got their freedom from the east, they revert back to their original identity. This is also probably the reason they changed the names of their towns to non Igbo names after Igbo lost the civil war. Who has the right to draw up the criteria of identifying an Igbo person, what makes someone an Igbo, is it by similarities in name and language? Can former president Gooluck Jonathan pass as an English man. Can Donald Trump be regarded as an English man? The Scottish, Irish and Welsh people all have similar name and language as the English but don't consider themselves English. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by AnanseK(m): 12:44pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Kirchoffs:Synergy between southerners would be welcome. So far it is a fairytale. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by Obi1kenobi(m): 12:44pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
chrisxxx:You're the 3rd clown on this thread that I would be asking where you got your history from. Where did you get the historical claim that Igbos were slaves of Ikwerres? Which Igbos? Which Igbo clans? Ikwerres themselves were slaves under the Aro Confederacy. So I want to know these Igbos that were slaves of Ikwerres. Why aren't you beer parlour historians educating me on this history that I clearly know nothing about. I want to read it. But what makes this dumber is that even if it were true, many Igbos enslaved and sold other Igbos into slavery, because there was nothing like an Igbo identity pre-colonialism. Same way many Yorubas enslaved and sold other Yorubas into slavery. What is the relevance of that to whether you're Igbo or not? It's funny as hell that Ikwerres, one of the Igbo clans with barely anything known about their history (so much so that they invented a non-existent history as Benin descendants), would be the ones forming colonial, sophisticated powerhouse slave masters. It's just funny as fucckk. If there are Ikwerres in this thread, biko, is this actually a popular mythology among you: that you were slave masters of Igbos? |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by valirex: 12:51pm On Nov 14, 2020*. Modified: 2:14pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
samuk:Will they listen? I don't write epistles for these people, a Flat-Head will always remain a Flat-Head no matter how you try to re-mould his head |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by pazienza(m): 12:51pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Obi1kenobi:Haha. Many of them have that mindset. Its inferiority complex driven. For them Ikwerre it's fact that the Aros ruled over them that imprinted that inferiority complex and need to concoct a story of having Igbo slaves as compensatory mechanism. The Ogbas too have invented a history where Igbos were their slaves. For the Ogba its the scars they suffered under Aboh constant raides that imprinted the inferiority complex. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 1:02pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
chrisxxx:Despite its value the dollar is more recognized and accepted |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:05pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
samuk:No. In their power tussle with other Igbophobic SS groups, they have nothing to gain from claiming Igbo heritage. Their anti-Igbo agitation was spurred by the mass migration of Igbos to PH which was first a major port city, and then with the discovery of oil, the biggest economic powerhouse in Eastern Nigeria, and they felt the need to assert PH as their patrimony. Allying themselves with other Niger Delta groups put them in a stronger position than allying themselves with Igbos. Hence why they and other minority groups were able to orchestrate the infamous abandoned property saga in PH and its environs dispossessing the minority Igbo. There is no reason for Ikwerre to deny being Igbo today because they are in a different state and region, the fear of domination by other Igbo is no longer there as it were when they were part of the old eastern region.Or that they were so far gone in their treachery during and after the civil war that they were beyond the point of no return. Ikwerres are not just Igbo deniers - they actively promote anti-Igbo hostility and it's pervasive even among their intelligentsia, most notably Elechi Amadi who accused Igbos of all sorts of crimes and persecution against the Ikwerre people even in his last book before his death. If you've ever been on any of their social media groups, you may conclude that they are the most Igbophobic group of people in Nigeria. Who has the right to draw up the criteria of identifying an Igbo person, what makes someone an Igbo, is it by similarities in name and language? Can former president Gooluck Jonathan pass as an English man. Can Donald Trump be regarded as an English man?If you want to be taken seriously, maybe don't simplistically compare the relationship between ethno-linguistic groups to Nigerians adopting a colonial language as lingua franca. The issue is far more complicated than that and your simplistic comparison makes you look unserious. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:09pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
pazienza:I hear it a lot among the Igbo-denying Igboid groups. There was some Ukwuani guy that told me their their indigenous name for Igbo in their language is the same as "slave". Who knew that so many people that accuse Igbos of an arrogant superiority complex harbored such narcissistic delusions. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by pazienza(m): 1:39pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
samuk:Please can you provide evidence that Ndiigbo coerced Ikwerre to adopt Igbo language at any point in history. And mind you. Adding R and H to Igbo names does not make them non Igbo. They only become distorted Igbo. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by EmekaA125(m): 2:41pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
chrisxxx:Continue deceiving yourself. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 2:50pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:It is not my job to differentiate Ikwerres .That is the job of the Ikwerre man which he is doing |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 2:56pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Obi1kenobi:I think it is worse being sold by others ? How? Provide Evidence. Maybe you have a comprehension problem There was no alliance . Do not deceive yourself That is like talking of Hausa -Fulani alliance. We all know who is in charge The Iboms were in charge of slave trade. Simple question!! who was being sold was it the Iboms or the Igbos Only the Igbos were being hunted and sold |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 3:01pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Ikwerres were not slaves under the Aro confederacy That is a fiction Confederacy is a foreign word so let us stop these pretense that God created a confederacy The Iboms took over and imposed a dynasty that reigns to this day . They brought in their religious practices and cults. They sold many Igbos as slaves .They were not selling Efiks or Ibibio or Ijaw They were selling Igbos |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 3:06pm On Nov 14, 2020*. Modified: 7:07pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:But why is it now your job to continue to stress it to us that we igbos from the SOUTH South are not igbos. Any Ikwerre man that says he is not igbo that one concerns him. As far as I know he doesn't have an identity outside Rivers State or Nigeria. Anytime he introduces himself as an Ikwerre man outside Rivers State he should be ready for more questions from the person he is introducing himself to. Outside Rivers state you cannot introduce yourself as an Ikwerre to a Yoruba in ibadan or an hausa in kaduna without evoking a wrinkled forehead to show his surprise. You will be asked where Ikwerre is located. You will be asked which language you speak. They will ask you which state is that. How many people will you be ready to be explaining to. I see this act of igbo denial as foolishness Politically Ikwerre will become minority in Rivers state without the igbo support. Wike just want to spoil market for all other upcoming Ikwerre politicians and that is selfish on his part |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 3:11pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:You are getting emotional which is typical can you stick to reality I happen to know many Ikwerres and their history just like the Oba of Benid does and the Sultan of Sokoto does All these denials are your own imagination When Kay Williamson a foremost linguist researched the Ikwerre language where was she from? Yet you persist in this delusion that no one knows Ikwerre Yet Ikwerre was recognized in the 1979 constitution They have said they are not Igbo Give it a rest |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 3:19pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:This kind of remark is motivated by spitefulness that is typical There are many different kinds of bells to ring The Ikwerre are not competing with you they jus want to be LEFT ALONE |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 3:27pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:Some Ikwerres said that they are not Igbos and some others said that they are igbos So why not give a balanced point for the two groups instead you are happy and masturbating about the ones that said they are not igbos They were recognized by the constitution. Fine. But the reality is the illustration I gave you that about how they will be questioned if they introduce themselves as Ikwerres. But what I know is that they only claim non igbo in Rivers state but outside they all introduce themselves as igbos because they don't want questionings which is the reality They are not known My 75 yrs old landlord in Lagos here does not know them. They just all know them as igbos and that's the reality |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 3:38pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:The predominant and overwhelming number of Ikwerre said they are not Igbo What is my evidence? As part f independence negotiation before 1960 there was a colonial commission in the 1950s. The Willinks Commission. It was attended by minority groups afraid that they would be marginalised. The Ikwerre were represented. Was any other know Igbo group represented? the NCNC imposed a candidate from ABA in the 1965 election. The Ikwerre reacted by fielding an independent candidate Ikwunga Wonodi. who disgraced the ABA man Elugwaraonu. Ogbakor Ikwerre is older than Ohanaeze In 1979 the Ikwerre secured recognition in the 1979 constitution as a distinct group . We cannot pretend that a majority of Ikwerres identify as Igbo. Stop deceiving yourself |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 3:39pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:You want to be left alone. Why are you using my names and identities to give my tribe a bad name in case you commit crime as in the case of chukwuma Nzeogwu from delta state which you all tagged as Igbo coup |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 3:40pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:That recognition is only on paper but not pervasive |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 3:41pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:You are being emotional Reason like an adult |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 3:42pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:You say it Does that make it so? |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by bigfish3k: 3:51pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:Its so naa Do your survey People outside Rivers do not know Ikwerre They just know them as igbos especially because of their names Outside politics, Ikwerres are igbos |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 4:00pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
bigfish3k:That is what you want to believe. The alternative thought feels threatening to you |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by Obi1kenobi(m): 4:10pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:I should reframe that comment as "you seem to think it's worse to be traded as slaves by foreign invaders than by your own kinsman". And I still do find that funny as fucckk. There was no alliance . Do not deceive yourselfSelf-deluded historical illiterate telling me not to deceive myself. The Aro confederacy (maybe check the definition of a "confederacy" to mitigate your embarrassment) was an alliance of several distinct groups - with the most prominent entity in the alliance being the Aros. The biggest relevance of the coastal outposts was as a trading post for slaves captured from the hinterlands and the coasts. Historical illiterate that you are, you somehow spun this as Ijaws and other groups trekking up North to the Eastern hinterlands to come and capture Igbo slaves. What makes your narrative the more dumb is that Ibibios were the first settlers in today's Arochukwu and surrounding Igbo-occupied areas but were driven out or culturally absorbed by Igbo settlers into the area. But yeah, "Iboms were in charge of slave trade" of Igbos. What a clown. ![]() And the clown is yet to tell me where he got the history that Igbos were slaves of Ikwerres and the clown's only substantiation was that we should "ask Asari Dokubo". Please furnish us with this history where Igbos were slaves of Ikwerres. I'm still waiting for that one. |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 4:15pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Obi1kenobi:You are looking for a target for your life frustration Why all the abuse? Debate like an adult Asari Dokubo knows a lot about the trade in Igbos Did the Aro people ever use he word "confederacy" to describe their existence? I think dulosis is a more accurate description |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by gidgiddy: 4:19pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
aribisala0:And yet 'come' is 'bia' in Ikwerre language Which ethnic group in Nigeria is come known as 'bia'? If someone wants to say they are distinct, all well and good, but let them be distinct enough to have their own word for 'come' |
| Re: I Am Not Igbo - Wike Clarifies Confusion About His Name And Link To Igbo by aribisala0(m): 4:28pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
gidgiddy:Please do not quote with your JSS1 logic In your mind you think you are making sense Clearly you are badly educated |
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