Emusan:


The word MAN was used for Jesus as was used in Rev 21:3 it must mean Jesus is human

Oh!
So, Jesus is with human nature (Visible, material) in heaven?

Barristter07:
Jesus being human in heaven means he is flesh and blood.

The same word used for Jesus is the same word used in Rev 21:3 so Jesus is Human.

And the word translated as Elders has never been used for spirit BEING only for HUMAN.

I told you running to Greek won't save you.

But angels are neither male not female, So how are they like angels if they are raised as male and females ?

They are like Angel because THEY WON'T MARRY

How do you know angels are neither male or female?

Mary is female, It takes a male to fertilize a female egg Mr Gender in heaven .

So Holy Spirit will come upon Mary means if Holy Spirit is a male He will sleep with Mary....

Like I said, a pervert soul indeed and to even know that's the normal thinking of some Atheist.

And do you believe Mary womb was fertilized WITH SPERM?

If yes! SPERM IS MATERIAL how does Holy Spirit get sperm to fertilize Mary's egg.

Much trouble for you.

Unless you mean unbelievers want be ressurected. It's definitely for them since their mortal bodies too will come alive. In short your spiritual body extends to Unbelievers too . Eleya Yi ma po o

Since you say unbelievers has God's Holy Spirit then, you and them will be in your imaginary heaven while God will dwell with Us the Born again Christian.

haddeylium:
Oh! So, Jesus is with human nature (Visible, material) in heaven?

Idiotic question!

Emusan:


Idiotic question!

Lol.
Jws believe Jesus is a spirit being with spirit nature(Invisible, Immaterial to human eyes) in heaven
Be Clear with your stand too
is he a Human with physical/Natural nature (Visible, material) in heaven?

haddeylium:


Lol.
Jws believe Jesus is a spirit being with spirit nature(Invisible, Immaterial to human eyes) in heaven
Be Clear with your stand too
is he a Human with physical/Natural nature (Visible, material) in heaven?

That's why I called it idiotic question!

And it shows how shallow your understanding is if you can't decipher that from post from page 1-76 by now.

MaxInDhouse, what's up?

John 6:63 The words that I speak to you, they are spirit...

Maximus sir, was Jesus plainly saying that his words are invisible?

When you read God's word, try to be open minded so that you get the understanding clearly, remember the Bible book of Psalms 146:4 and Ecclesiastes 12:7, it seems as if some sort of energy leaves the body rendering the body lifeless.
So what Jesus meant is "the words that i speak to you can impact life (spirit) in you so that what is rendering others lifeless may become ineffective in your case" READ Hebrew 4:22
Think of what led to Adam's oldage, sickness and finally death, he decided to stop taking in instructions from his Creator, he believes he's mature enough to know what is good and evil without God having to tell him {Genesis 2:17} God's word will restore what Adam lost so that we can live forever, the first Adam rejected it now we can get it through the last Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45
So there is nothing like invisibility in words, you hear it just like anyone else but it's the willingness to respond positively to it that Jesus is saying!

God bless you!

Blabbermouth:
MaxInDhouse, what's up?

John 6:63 The words that I speak to you, they are spirit...

Maximus sir, was Jesus plainly saying that his words are invisible?

Emusan:


That's why I called it idiotic question!

And it shows how shallow your understanding is if you can't decipher that from post from page 1-76 by now.

Jws stated their stand as to Jesus' Nature in heaven clearly
He's spirit being with spirit nature (Invisible, Immaterial) in heaven

Can you do the same with yours?

MaxInDHouse:
When you read God's word, try to be open minded so that you get the understanding clearly, remember the Bible book of Psalms 146:4 and Ecclesiastes 12:7, it seems as if some sort of energy leaves the body rendering the body lifeless.
So what Jesus meant is "the words that i speak to you can impact life (spirit) in you so that what is rendering others lifeless may become ineffective in your case" READ Hebrew 4:22

What Jesus meant is - the words that I speak to you can impact life (spirit) in you...

Okay, that's on point.

I will more likely put is like this; What Jesus meant there was that the words he speak are not vain words of mere men, they words that are unctioned and influenced by the Spirit (of God) and this sayings are words that can give you life.

Think of what led to Adam's oldage, sickness and finally death, he decided to stop taking in instructions from his Creator, he believes he's mature enough to know what is good and evil without God having to tell him {Genesis 2:17} God's word will restore what Adam lost so that we can live forever, the first Adam rejected it now we can get it through the last Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45

Hmmmmm

So there is nothing like invisibility in words, you hear it just like anyone else but it's the willingness to respond positively to it that Jesus is saying!

So there is NOTHING like invisibility in words, you hear it just like anyone else.....

Cc: Barristter07.
Your yansh haff open.

Their lot just wanted to engage and disagree with Jehovah's witnesses
They're not standing for any truth!

Blabbermouth didn't believe Jesus have a prehuman existence and he's ready to sacrifice anything to keep the conversations going with this God's people.
Imagine someone saying 'Adam was without blood' .. Pathetic. Atleast that's a substitute for 'I'll be back'

Emusan he's even more confused. I don't think he understands a head or tail of this thread .
He just want to disagree with Jehovah's witnesses.
State your stance clearly like Jw did and he's hiding under confused others to lay lame points. Ewww

That's what i've noticed about them. They can't strike a meaningful conversation it's what you feed them they depends upon to argue blindly.

Just leave them and see how they'll start arguing, insulting, abusing and even cursing one another in the name of the same lord!
Only JWs have what it takes to preach, teach and convince their audience to make a disciple. Churchgoers will just mimick some slogan and by the end of the day both of them will walk away with ego without any benefit because none of them wants to submit to another.
So whenever they come in contact with JWs who have all agreed on the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} they will say "it's brainwashing" because normally they're not open to any agreement! 2Timothy 3:3

haddeylium:


Jws stated their stand as to Jesus' Nature in heaven clearly
He's spirit being with spirit nature (Invisible, Immaterial) in heaven

Can you do the same with yours?

Obviously you don't understand what i'm saying here!

Let me make it simpler.

God's representatives come forward to deliver God's message, just as Satan's representatives also come forward to deliver Satan's deception.

The difference is God's message unites and binds those who received it as one body, they will all become obedient to the same rules, they speak confidently, boldly and convincingly with one line of thought. John 17:20-23

But what happens to Satan's message?
Because Satan's intention was to deceive his own worshipers and make them feel they're absolutely free {Genesis 3:4-5} each person wants to keep whatever ideology he fabricated then they continue to divide and divide and divide, yet they'll be telling themselves "we are all worshipers of the same God" Of course they're all worshipers of the God of confusion! 2Corinthians 4:4

The Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are Jesus' representatives today {Matthew 24:45} only those who have listened, accepted and responded positively to their message are United globally as peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4 compared to John 14:27

Blabbermouth:

So there is NOTHING like invisibility in words, you hear it just like anyone else.....

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't understand what i'm saying here!

Let me make it simpler....

I got that.
I sent a copy to Barristter07 who is so headstrong on interpreting that as - the words (Jesus' words) are invisible.

Maximus explained how the word of God exact power and how its effect is visible among it adherent.

But, what Blabbermouth wants to know if the sound of that words is laced with colour and the texture

Lol. Someone is in love with me.
Unfortunately, i'm not oGAYdengbe or GAYbriel.

Barristter07:


God didn't call Animals humans... Point 1.

As a matter of fact, anyone or anything with flesh must possess blood. The life of the flesh is in the blood .

God called Adam and Eve , creatures with flesh, bones and blood Humans !

Even Jesus had to appear with Flesh and Blood before the Bible called him Son of man. Are you deluded ?

For Jesus to be called Human, he must have blood like Adam whom the name was given.

@ bolded base on what did you make that statement?
Anything that has flesh must have blood, who made it so? Barrister
Can God alter it?
Adam called eve his flesh and his bones meaning a human can also be described as flesh and bones, if not Adam would have not called eve his flesh and bones.


The question is can a human be described as flesh and bones?

Yes fact

2 Samuel 19:12 Ye are my brethren, ye are my bones and my flesh: wherefore then are ye the last to bring back the king?
Here is David describing his kins men as his flesh and bones, meaning flesh and bones is enough to describe a human in this case the blood is irrelevant.
Take back seat let me school you

Emusan:

The word MAN was used for Jesus as was used in Rev 21:3 it must mean Jesus is human.

Human have blood sustaining their flesh . DO YOU ACCEPT THIS ?


" Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood —the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die " Hebrews 2:14 NLT

The word translated as ELDERS in Revelation was ONLY USED FOR HUMAN not spirit. Those elders must be Human in heaven.

They are spirits , and it's usage for them nullify your point.

Olodo... After I schooled you but you're claiming Angels don't have genders.

Only a pervert soul will think there will be sex in heaven.

Then where in the scripture it is stated that people will marry after resurrection?

Neuter is part of FOUR genders noun.

Olodo oshi.

If spirit persons are always described with A NEUTER as you said earlier then you just proved my point that Jesus is still a MAN IN HEAVEN because after resurrection Jesus was still addressed with masculine noun.

Much problems for human tuned spirit being believer.

Galatians 3:26,28 addressing those with hope of having the divine nature says and I quote

" You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus. "

In their Spirit form, There is no Male nor Female .

But your deluded head is saying, There will be Male and Female in heaven .

1 Corinthians 15:38 is there to cure your delusion

Philipians 3:21

" He will change our weak mortal bodies and make them like his own glorious body , using that power by which he is able to bring all things under his rule. "

You saw the underlined, shebi you ain't blind ?

His so called Glorified body retain it wounds and scars, that means the ressurection bodies will retain Wounds, accident scars , Fire burns, Hunchback and other deformities ...

livingchrist:
@ bolded base on what did you make that statement?
Anything that has flesh must have blood, who made it so? Barrister

Is it not written in your Bible that THE LIFE of EVERY FLESH is in the blood ?

Can God alter it?
Adam called eve his flesh and his bones meaning a human can also be described as flesh and bones, if not Adam would have not called eve his flesh and bones.


The question is can a human be described as flesh and bones?

Yes fact

2 Samuel 19:12 Ye are my brethren, ye are my bones and my flesh: wherefore then are ye the last to bring back the king?
Here is David describing his kins men as his flesh and bones, meaning flesh and bones is enough to describe a human in this case the blood is irrelevant.
Take back seat let me school you

Sometimes I wonder if you have any thinking ability . Those men addressed as Flesh and bones are Humans with Blood running in their flesh . Which proved that someone is addressed as Flesh and bones doesn't nullify the point that they are human with blood. You rope yourself here

Speaking about humans , The Bible call them " Sharers of FLESH and BLOOD "

" Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood —the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die " Hebrews 2:14 NLT

Since Jesus is human, he has blood !!!

haddeylium:
Their lot just wanted to engage and disagree with Jehovah's witnesses
They're not standing for any truth!

Blabbermouth didn't believe Jesus have a prehuman existence and he's ready to sacrifice anything to keep the conversations going with this God's people.
Imagine someone saying 'Adam was without blood' .. Pathetic. Atleast that's a substitute for 'I'll be back'

Emusan he's even more confused. I don't think he understands a head or tail of this thread .
He just want to disagree with Jehovah's witnesses.
State your stance clearly like Jw did and he's hiding under confused others to lay lame points. Ewww

Emusan:

[s]
The same word used for Jesus is the same word used in Rev 21:3 so Jesus is Human.

And the word translated as Elders has never been used for spirit BEING only for HUMAN.

I told you running to Greek won't save you.



They are like Angel because THEY WON'T MARRY

How do you know angels are neither male or female?



So Holy Spirit will come upon Mary means if Holy Spirit is a male He will sleep with Mary....

Like I said, a pervert soul indeed and to even know that's the normal thinking of some Atheist.

And do you believe Mary womb was fertilized WITH SPERM?

If yes! SPERM IS MATERIAL how does Holy Spirit get sperm to fertilize Mary's egg.

Much trouble for you.



Since you say unbelievers has God's Holy Spirit then, you and them will be in your imaginary heaven while God will dwell with Us the Born again Christian. [/s]

Your hopeless use of Romans 8:11 has been exposed , so no single difference between the body of believers and unbelievers Eeyah , . For other points check my first reply.

haddeylium:

Oh!
So, Jesus is with human nature (Visible, material) in heaven?

With kidneys, intestines, Blood, Skeletal system, human brain ,

In this nature, He is lower than the angels and will forever be .

They are deluded

Barristter07:

With kidneys, intestines, Blood, Skeletal system, human brain ,

In this nature, He is lower than the angels and will forever be .

They are deluded

Mr LIENUS & him Crew, including that Snake man

Janosky:

Mr LIENUS & him Crew, including that Snake man

The snake man is an hopeless cause , Even if Blabbermouth said Adam has no blood, he is correct as long as it's against the Witnesses.

Blabbermouth:

I got that.
I sent a copy to Barristter07 who is so headstrong on interpreting that as - the words (Jesus' words) are invisible.

Bros, the words you speak, have you ever held it in your arms ?

Janosky:

Bros, the words you speak, have you ever held it in your arms ?

It always come out as furnitures and plastics . It can be touched and held in his arms

DappaD:
Person go just abandon im brain before he login to Nairaland?

When they agree with you it means there brain was not abandoned before they login

Barristter07:
Human have blood sustaining their flesh . DO YOU ACCEPT THIS ?


" Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood —the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die " Hebrews 2:14 NLT

was the same Greek word used in Rev 21:3 used for Jesus in heaven now?

They are spirits , and it's usage for them nullify your point.

Yet the word translated as elders has never used for SPIRIT BEINGS...

Liar...the word is only used for MAN....

Galatians 3:26,28 addressing those with hope of having the divine nature says and I quote

" You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus. "

In their Spirit form, There is no Male nor Female

But your deluded head is saying, There will be Male and Female in heaven

To think that a sane person can boldly say this is for people with heavenly hope is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read here.

Your lying mouth doesn't even have shame again.

You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you ARE ALL ONE in union with Christ Jesus."

Look at the scripture you quoted and see how it actually put your lying mouth into shame.

Despite the fact that these verses are talking about ALL BELIEVERS, it's clear from it that, it's not ABOUT RESURRECTION but your deluded mind has misinterpreted and sneak in resurrection into it.

Philipians 3:21 "He will change our weak mortal bodies and make them like his own glorious body, using that power by which he is able to bring all things under his rule. "

You saw the underlined, shebi you ain't blind ?

His so called Glorified body retain it wounds and scars, that means the ressurection bodies will retain Wounds, accident scars , Fire burns, Hunchback and other deformities

You See the @color, oh sorry I forgot you're blind.

Jesus will change OUR mortal bodies to be conformed with His glorious body NOT to turn anybody into SPIRIT BEING.

1 Corinthians 15:38 is there to cure your delusion.

Barristter07:
[s]Your hopeless use of Romans 8:11 has been exposed , so no single difference between the body of believers and unbelievers Eeyah , . For other points check my first reply.[/s]

Says the deluded JWs who say the unbelievers have the Spirit of God in them yet going from house to house to preach to the same unbelievers who already have the Spirit of God.

See how he used style boycot my post....

You must tell us where Holy Spirit get the sperm to fertilize Mary's womb on this thread, since you believe Holy Spirit slept with Mary!

Clown!

achorladey:


JWs proof text to show how the 144,000 are confirmed to be among those going to HEAVEN

!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.

It will be interesting to ask the JWs

Is the SPIRIT 1 bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT 2 on

1. EARTH or in

2. HEAVEN

Is the OUR SPIRIT 2 in a

1. Physical body or

2. Spiritual body as at the time of getting such WITNESS

cc: Blabbermouth

You can even hear the delude JWs saying, they were BORN OF SPIRIT on earth before they died yet they didn't become a spirit being immediately.

Emusan:


was the same Greek word used in Rev 21:3 used for Jesus in heaven now?



Yet the word translated as elders has never used for SPIRIT BEINGS...

Liar...the word is only used for MAN....



To think that a sane person can boldly say this is for people with heavenly hope is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read here.

Your lying mouth doesn't even have shame again.

You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you ARE ALL ONE in union with Christ Jesus."

Look at the scripture you quoted and see how it actually put your lying mouth into shame.

Despite the fact that these verses are talking about ALL BELIEVERS, it's clear from it that, it's not ABOUT RESURRECTION but your deluded mind has misinterpreted and sneak in resurrection into it.



You See the @color, oh sorry I forgot you're blind.

Jesus will change OUR mortal bodies to be conformed with His glorious body NOT to turn anybody into SPIRIT BEING.

1 Corinthians 15:38 is there to cure your delusion.

You never see anything. The same ORGANIZATION they belong that said those Christians whose faith are strong will be sitting in heaven while others CHRISTENDOM whose Faith are not as strong will be standing in heaven

Check through the all paragraph no single scripture to support that some whose faith are strong is SITTING and those whose faith is weak is STANDING


They get heartometer to measure love of GOD in the heart of CHRISTIANS. To check those ZEALOUS and those not ZEALOUS.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't need to be aggressive over this Sir!

Just as you and your brothers are furious all over the thread.

Lemme separate your statement and to show you the nonsense you just spew.

God call Adam "son" just as he called Jesus, the only difference is Jesus is God's first born son (in the spirit realm) while Adam was God's first born son (in the flesh).

Where did the scripture say Adam was God's FIRST BORN?

So God never intended to scrap any of these two but since Satan (because he's a powerful spirit being) challenged God's authority to rule over humans,

JWs philononsense.

God decided to MAKE HUMANS rule as KINGS OVER the EARTH and to ridicule Satan completely THESE HUMANS will become spirit persons in heaven when Satan is ousted.

This is where you spew that thrash,

If the people who will RULE FROM HEAVEN are HUMANS then by becoming a SPIRIT BEING doesn't make them HUMAN AGAIN...

is it HUMAN that will rule as kings OR spirit being?

That's why they needed a rebirth as God's son in the spirit realm.

John 1:12-13 says once you believe in Jesus Christ and even in His name you are rebirth from God.

Do you believe?

But it's not all God's children that will become spirit beings, millions will inherit the earth as flesh and God's blessings will be upon them forever!

Where do you read it from the scripture that people will become SPIRIT BEINGS?

On what basis will some inherit earth and others dont when we all have ONE HOPE IN CHRIST?

So if you don't agree with that there's no wahala, keep your faith and continue making disciples for your God, i'm always doing the same for mine!

You're not the one who will tell me that.

So you agree we MAKE DISCIPLES FOR OUR GOD....I thought only your organization makes disciples.

God bless you!

You mean OUR God?

achorladey:



You never see anything. The same ORGANIZATION they belong that said those Christians whose faith are strong will be sitting in heaven while others CHRISTENDOM whose Faith are not as strong will be standing in heaven

Check through the all paragraph no single scripture to support that some whose faith are strong is SITTING and those whose faith is weak is STANDING


They get heartometer to measure love of GOD in the heart of CHRISTIANS. To check those ZEALOUS and those not ZEALOUS.

So they later admit that the great crowd is actually in heaven and not only 144,000 will be in heaven....

See confusion everywhere!

The question now is, does this crowd also become spirit beings or just flesh and bones

Much wahala for human tuned spirit being believer.