Successfulben:
it will end in premium tears when you see your kids suddenly acting strange. By then you would have visited almost all the prayer houses both home and abroad and sow seeds to false prophets to buy more jets. You would end up realizing you put yourself through this mess.The day you start to pray violent prayers in sincerity of heart in the name of Jesus, if you will not start having issues with your wife and her family.

Please stop saying what you don't know
A Bcs child grown in a Bcs environment does not act as you are protraying
Make your own researches and stop repeating heresays
Ironically, it's you lots that flood Bethel on Wednesdays Watch & prays and Friday Healing services for your problems (like the Biblical Nicodemus)
The next morning, you will all come acting like you have never been to a Bethel b4!
Plz to all, if you dont understand something make your own findings then decide upon that

This is my Candid advise..
Brotherhood is not a cult
Is not a secret society..

yes doctrinal issue surround the sole founder... apart from that.. nothing..
it is a spiritual church YES like the celestial, CHERUBIUM... of the old.. many members have left to be even pastor of Pentecostal churches...

if you want to marry her discuss your stand as regards religion, doctrine and church.. if you guy do not find common ground.. then quit.. She is just a normal girl born in the family where her parent attend white garment church..

Am telling you from the side of knowledge from both side ( brotherhood.. to core.. Pentecostal.).

People I can never be close with and don't even want to have them as neighbors
1. Muslim Alfas
2.Deeper life member
3. Cherumum and Seraphim
4. Those that see yesterday and the future, yet their lives is a living hell
5. Alfa that see yesterday and tomorrow
6. Dreamers, stupid dreamers that see yesterday and tomorrow, yet their lives is a mess

I hate anyone that base their lives on future seeing, because they are usually dumb and any day you have fight with them, them go begin they see you for dreams.
Or their useless pastors and Alfas tell them one of their friends is the source of their problems

The cause of the majority of Nigerian problems attributed to spiritual is caused by Buhari and corrupt leaders, as well as bad health care system and many Nigerians have mental health problems, and during their hallucination and schizophrenic sessions, they think they are seeing things

But NO, they will attribute their problems to spiritual and be disturbing their neighbours with noises they call prayers

Grace, Mercy, Luck,are words that can give you slap if you say them near me, because they are the normal scamming languages. In a good country, everyone has equal opportunitiws and thus, you won't need grace to pass exams because lecturer would mark you accordingly

Well, the problem of Nigerians is not the religion, but an average Nigerian is a dumb fool and thus they must practice religion in a foolish way.

You can be in any religion and be thoughtfully upright, but NO,many Nigerians aren't.

To the OP, if you like,go and marry her, by the time they start seeing tomorrow and next year for you, and you keep running away from their imagined enemies, you will understand why not

RealSolution001:

Help me to have people's opinions on this. Thanks.

Dem sabi knack die! 2. No vex one day when dem go say na her turn to service papa

Advice advice advice,

Sit down and calculate
I am into a nightmare now courtesy of advice from experienced ones
Ask yourself, if negative arose later, will you see any niralander to blame

emkz:
There is nothing wrong in dating her. Let me share a story with you that totally changed my worldview about them.

We had a member who used to live in our house. He didn't eat meat. And when food is shared to him during Christmas, he'd reject the stew (principles). Once in a while, he used to host his church members and they used to sing and dance and eat. We used to stay away scared of ten, but they always seemed happy. He always had family members around living with him, and even trained an outsider who was rejected by his extended family. He trained another cousin of his. As kids, he always allowed us to come to his apartment to watch movies and would leave us there when he was going out. We knew where he kept his key incase someone came and needed a place to sleep.

Something happened and he started losing weight. There was rumour that he had HIV because he had a weakness for women. He spent sometime in the hospital until the hospital could not do anything for him again. He returned home emaciated and unable to care for himself. Everyone, including his family, abandoned him. His girlfriend whose siblings he catered for abandoned him. No one wanted to go near him, including those who he had helped. My younger sister was very angry when the people he had helped were no where to be found, and said she'd chase any family member that comes to his house to eat once he gets well. She was barely 12 when she said this.

Then his church stepped in. Everyday, different members would come to look after him and clean him, bathe him, cook for him and spend time with him. They later took him to the church. Our neighbours visited him there and narrated to us how much he was cared for. Parents did not prevent their children from going around him.

He died in the church under the care of his fellow church members, who became his family when he needed one. He was a dedicated member of the church and despite his weakness for women, he was a genuinely nice man. When I used to walk around without slippers, he gave me money to buy and told me not to tell my parents (my parents refused to buy me slippers after I had cut more than six pairs). He was not a rich man, but he was a nice man. I will never forget him.

Such people likely make heaven than others.

So forget about the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star (I still don't know anything about their belief system) and assess your partner on the basis of her persona. Then find out about the beliefs, convictions and doctrines of the Brotherhood of Cross and Star. Then you'd realize many of us criticize in ignorance.

Don't lose a beautiful thing for something as flimsy as religion. There is more I can share about another white garment church, but it is irrelevant to this discussion.

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Meteng:
Dem sabi knack die! 2. No vex one day when dem go say na her turn to service papa

Very similar to Cele.

we over hyped religion in this country... I believe she's a member of the church because she was born and brought up there. for you to be scared of dating her means you have a hidden agenda. if you see a future with her good & fine but if she's not part of your future plans please don't hurt d lady before she carry ur case go meet prophet.

RealSolution001:


How do you mean? Would I be under any influence to date her even when I don't want?

brotherhood of the cross and star is the oga pata pata of white garment churches. You don't mess with them except she is just a bench warmer. The best way to avoid wahala is to avoid any sexual relationship with her.

Adiahaakwaibom1:

Please stop saying what you don't know
A Bcs child grown in a Bcs environment does not act as you are protraying
Make your own researches and stop repeating heresays
Ironically, it's you lots that flood Bethel on Wednesdays Watch & prays and Friday Healing services for your problems (like the Biblical Nicodemus)
The next morning, you will all come acting like you have never been to a Bethel b4!
Plz to all, if you dont understand something make your own findings then decide upon that

me I am udohakwaibom...lolz. I am not religious. I was born into a family of war. My father is a prayer man. I grew up around much enemies. You can't be a son of a prayer man and don't have enemies. White garment tell you korokoro that they are WHITE WITCH. I mastered the heart of prayer myself cos I saw it first from my dad. When I was in the university, I had two neighbours, one was a white garment member and the other was a member of Brotherhood of cross and star. I usually wake up to pray at 12 mid night to 2am as the Holy ghost empowers me.I became a subject of discussion and hatred. At a point they threatened to throw me out of the compound. PRAYER was what made the difference.

Adiahaakwaibom1:

Please stop saying what you don't know
A Bcs child grown in a Bcs environment does not act as you are protraying
Make your own researches and stop repeating heresays
Ironically, it's you lots that flood Bethel on Wednesdays Watch & prays and Friday Healing services for your problems (like the Biblical Nicodemus)
The next morning, you will all come acting like you have never been to a Bethel b4!
Plz to all, if you dont understand something make your own findings then decide upon that

me I am udohakwaibom...lolz. I was born into a family of war. My father is a prayer man. I grew up around much enemies. You can't be a son of a prayer man and don't have enemies. White garment tell you korokoro that they are WHITE WITCH. I mastered the heart of prayer myself cos I saw it first from my dad. When I was in the university, I had two neighbours, one was a white garment member and the other was a member of Brotherhood of cross and star. I usually woke up to pray at 12 mid night to 2am as the Holy ghost empowers me.I became a subject of discussion and hatred. At a point they threatened to throw me out of the compound. But they couldn't tell me exactly why they hated me so much cos I was almost the nicest among them.But I knew from experience that you can't not bind Satan and expect to be at peace with his cohorts.

Successfulben:
it will end in premium tears when you see your kids suddenly acting strange. By then you would have visited almost all the prayer houses both home and abroad and sow seeds to false prophets to buy more jets. You would end up realizing you put yourself through this mess.The day you start to pray violent prayers in sincerity of heart in the name of Jesus, if you will not start having issues with your wife and her family.

That's the reason I said is neither here nor there, is just by the grace of God. Children of other churches that are not white garment behaves strangely and some are wild. So is not about white garment church.

isudoma:
This is my Candid advise..
Brotherhood is not a cult
Is not a secret society..

yes doctrinal issue surround the sole founder... apart from that.. nothing..
it is a spiritual church YES like the celestial, CHERUBIUM... of the old.. many members have left to be even pastor of Pentecostal churches...

if you want to marry her discuss your stand as regards religion, doctrine and church.. if you guy do not find common ground.. then quit.. She is just a normal girl born in the family where her parent attend white garment church..

Am telling you from the side of knowledge from both side ( brotherhood.. to core.. Pentecostal.).

your advice is evil. How can you admit that doctrinal issues surrounds the founder and you are still telling him to go ahead and marry her. Her you not a confused being

one must be a pastor to know what is right or wrong

TheCork:


huh? was wrong with foking n movin on sir?..... are u a pastor sir?

MrCEO69:
one must be a pastor to know what is right or wrong

bro...0p need to quit nagging & moaning about Robin hood membership...... juss fok the babe & move on(real talk)

ModestGal:
People I can never be close with and don't even want to have them as neighbors
1. Muslim Alfas
2.Deeper life member
3. Cherumum and Seraphim
4. Those that see yesterday and the future, yet their lives is a living hell
5. Alfa that see yesterday and tomorrow
6. Dreamers, stupid dreamers that see yesterday and tomorrow, yet their lives is a mess

I hate anyone that base their lives on future seeing, because they are usually dumb and any day you have fight with them, them go begin they see you for dreams.
Or their useless pastors and Alfas tell them one of their friends is the source of their problems

The cause of the majority of Nigerian problems attributed to spiritual is caused by Buhari and corrupt leaders, as well as bad health care system and many Nigerians have mental health problems, and during their hallucination and schizophrenic sessions, they think they are seeing things

But NO, they will attribute their problems to spiritual and be disturbing their neighbours with noises they call prayers

Grace, Mercy, Luck,are words that can give you slap if you say them near me, because they are the normal scamming languages. In a good country, everyone has equal opportunitiws and thus, you won't need grace to pass exams because lecturer would mark you accordingly

Well, the problem of Nigerians is not the religion, but an average Nigerian is a dumb fool and thus they must practice religion in a foolish way.

You can be in any religion and be thoughtfully upright, but NO,many Nigerians aren't.

To the OP, if you like,go and marry her, by the time they start seeing tomorrow and next year for you, and you keep running away from their imagined enemies, you will understand why not

You sound relatively logical. For the word grace, mercy and luck to exist in the dictionary, there are things like that. For you to have basic peace in this world, try to combine at least two religions. Am a trado- Christian worshipper.

UyaiIncomparabl:
I am a bonafide member of the Cherubim and Seraphim denomination.

I don't know about the OOU's, though. But, do not discriminate.

cherubim girls they too sweet, they too fine. I gaze ur pretty

heskeyw:

Don't say wht you don't know. The church is at Onitsha. Along owerre road. I love at Onitsha

Don’t mind him/her,Trying to defend what is not defendable.

I personally know some IGBO girls going to one of the branches at Yakoyo, Somewhere around Ojodu Berger.

Runooo

If you are not ready to marry her no even try give am belle or break her heart.......if not u watch live nollywood movie.

RealSolution001:
Please your advice is very important.

There's this girl I have been seeing on friendship level but presently there's urge to push it into relationship. From the look of things, I know she's already falling for me so the question whether she'll agree for me or not shouldn't even come in. However, I recently happened to know she's a member of brotherhood of the cross and star (the white garment and shoeless church) likewise her parents and other members of the family. Since I discovered this, I have been very sceptical about the whole thing.

Is it advisable to date such girl? What of in the event of breakup? Any physical or spiritual harm done to someone for being with such a person? Would I be coerced to convert to the beliefs (that is the last thing that will ever happen). Have you dated one before? How did it go?

You mean sisterhood??

Thattallgirl:
Spiritual level is important in every relationship but people like looking away. If u are comfortable if or when it goes south, you can ask her out.

bae, is it advisable to date you?

Firstly, I’ll like to apologize for not replying early enough, I do not really know how this platform works.

As to knowledge and your question about Christ, knowledge is the power you get from knowing Christ. The living part, once you know Christ then you’ll be living in Christ. There are some who’re only informed about Christ but do not know him though. Knowing means you’ve put his teachings to practice and you now understand the power in his teachings. It’s experience that brings us knowledge.

Now the other part about weakness for women, you and I know what you’re saying. Having a weakness for woman means what again? Maybe I’m overthinking. Since you say you also have a weakness for woman, then you can explain your weakness maybe I can get a glimpse of what you actually mean. However, like I said, the religion console promiscuity. Our environment tend to shape us, that’s the reality we find ourself. While not all allow their environment to shape them, but your story was clear before you switched your meaning.

Lastly, since you were young at the time of this incident, I’ll think your story is fully misrepresented, your emotions are getting in the way of truth and this is why you have only tried to coin a meaning for weakness for woman. It’s all good, that makes us of mankind and I guess you’re only showcasing the power of your emotions. Further more, I’ll like to tell you I’m very unreligious but have only told you of out of my knowledge of the truth and reality. I do not vial for any religion as all are the same, having one purpose. Everything you see here is from my knowledge of Him who’s pure and analysis of your first story.

emkz:


At the first bolded, I take a tangent. My question to you is: what is knowledge? Is knowing Christ without living Christ sufficient? How do you live Christ or live in Christ?

At second bolded, I said he had a weakness for women. I don't know how you processed that to mean he was womanising. With your acclaimed experience in life, I expected you to be more discerning. If he was a guy that was a sucker for love, would your conclusion be valid? I have a weakness for women too, but I'd challenge you if you call me a womaniser. Please understand the context of my submission to prevent misinterpretation.

Furthermore, I don't know anything about the church and I'd refrain from condemning them. The crux of my submission which you obviously missed is that you should assess people by their personality. One of my best friends attends Winners, another is a Muslim. I am a free thinker but toletant. I have seen Muslims who are more Christian than Christians, I have seen atheists who demonstrate Christ attributes of Love, I have also seen Pastors who are Devil incarnates. I will never blame religion for people's behaviour because people make religion, religion never makes people.

I was talking with a girl once and she said we can't date because I lacked religion. I asked her if she can attend Cele. She said no. She attends Redeemed.

Successfulben:
me I am udohakwaibom...lolz. I am not religious. I was born into a family of war. My father is a prayer man. I grew up around much enemies. You can't be a son of a prayer man and don't have enemies. White garment tell you korokoro that they are WHITE WITCH. I mastered the heart of prayer myself cos I saw it first from my dad. When I was in the university, I had two neighbours, one was a white garment member and the other was a member of Brotherhood of cross and star. I usually wake up to pray at 12 mid night to 2am as the Holy ghost empowers me.I became a subject of discussion and hatred. At a point they threatened to throw me out of the compound. PRAYER was what made the difference.

my brother, no mind her. How can a flesh and blood claim he's God and they foolishly believed him.

Lifepodcastng:
Firstly, I’ll like to apologize for not replying early enough, I do not really know how this platform works.

As to knowledge and your question about Christ, knowledge is the power you get from knowing Christ. The living part, once you know Christ then you’ll be living in Christ. There are some who’re only informed about Christ but do not know him though. Knowing means you’ve put his teachings to practice and you now understand the power in his teachings. It’s experience that brings us knowledge.

Now the other part about weakness for women, you and I know what you’re saying. Having a weakness for woman means what again? Maybe I’m overthinking. Since you say you also have a weakness for woman, then you can explain your weakness maybe I can get a glimpse of what you actually mean. However, like I said, the religion console promiscuity. Our environment tend to shape us, that’s the reality we find ourself. While not all allow their environment to shape them, but your story was clear before you switched your meaning.

Lastly, since you were young at the time of this incident, I’ll think your story is fully misrepresented, your emotions are getting in the way of truth and this is why you have only tried to coin a meaning for weakness for woman. It’s all good, that makes us of mankind and I guess you’re only showcasing the power of your emotions. Further more, I’ll like to tell you I’m very unreligious but have only told you of out of my knowledge of the truth and reality. I do not vial for any religion as all are the same, having one purpose. Everything you see here is from my knowledge of Him who’s pure and analysis of your first story.

I think you confuse knowledge and power. Knowledge is being informed about something. Power is the ability to do something. Living Christ is your ability (power) to swing in the way of Christ.

You stated that "Knowing means you’ve put his teachings to practice and you now understand the power in his teachings". That is LIVING the knowledge, i.e., activating the knowledge into something practical. Please do you understand this?

On the weakness for women, I gave you an example: there are men who would do everything a woman wants, some who worship women, some who love excessively, some who don't believe women can be manipulative or do wrong; none of these applies to me or him so you don't become judgemental as you appeared to be even though I understand it is a defense mechanism.

Don't the above describe someone who has a weakness for women? Some Nairalanders would call them "simps". While I'd never divulge my then neighbour's specific weakness, note that he was not a womaniser. So whatever meaning you ascribed to my submission is flawed.

As to the concept of the religion encouraging promiscuity, I don't know about that and would not talk about it. But one thing I do know is that religion has never shaped anybody, rather people have shaped religions. So if I have a fundamental weakness, can religion cure it? Remember the priest who had a thrěěsome with pornstars in his church in the US, was his behaviour shaped by the church/religion? I know a certain pastor who claims to be helping women get the fruit of the womb and improve their homes but he is annointing them with pastoral sperm. Is that something religion encourages?

The crux of my submission is to remove a man from his religion and assess him as a person without religious binoculars. If people truly lived in accordance with their religious teachings, the world would have been peaceful, loving and more ennobling place.

Don't you think so?

emkz:


How about those that died before the time of our Lord Jesus Christ, for He Himself said as reported by Matthew 7:21 (New Living Translation):



Can you explain what the Will of God is?

to know Him and live for Him who died for us

THEY ARE JUST LIKE OTHER GIRLS YOU MEET.

What is it to be sexually free?

mrphysics:
I have dated one. Actually, I don't believe in those shenanigans they do. Their belief system is too odd but who cares. I hated she attends that church anyway.

She's nice, sexually free, and you will hardly deduce she's a member. However, she's committed in the church as she holds one little leadership position in their youth wing.

She recently got married (last week). I missed her though. She was everything I wanted. And no, we didn't break up because of her religion because I don't care. And I know if we had continued till marriage, she will quit.

Op, their beliefs are odd. They see Obu as god. They pray in his name. Like ending prayers with..."In the name of Olumba Olumba Obu"

They go to Calabar every December. There's a river their women swim/bath inside stack naked. A whole lot of shits they do in the church. Sometimes it could be scary. But for me, if you like belong to Ogboni, it's your business. Nothing you do will ever affect me.

Modified

I forgot to add, the dad is a Bishop there, you can imagine. I'm sure she got married to one of their members. It's even good for her so they can continue that odd way of life.

She eats meat and every other thing other people do. Take alcohol, go to club, name it. On Sunday, she'd wear their white (a cloth which she had never taken pictures on). One day, she was in church and we made a video call. Seeing her in that cloth was really something else. I took screenshots and laughed at her after the service. They don't wear any makeup when going to church. Alot of memories anyway. But she was one lady I wanted to marry. But life happens to us all.

So ur plight nw is dat white garment church is a satanic church... So the likes of Samuel Ohoffa, Moses Orimolade are demonic...

Successfulben:
you may attend a Pentecostal church and still don't know God. If u marry from white garment, be ready to have Satan as ur father in-law.

So Iya adura Esther Ajayi who owns a white garment church in london is demonic abi coz i dnt get why u all are condemning white garment churches...

Adiahaakwaibom1:

You are a bonafide Liar!
Brotherhood of the Cross & Star practices Vegetarinsim ( although not all Bcs members are vegetarians)
Where did you see them drinking people's blood or even eating meat/fish during their activities
If the OP truly loves the girl, he is free to go on with relationship otherwise he should let the babe be!
Bcs does not discriminate neither do they stop their members from marrying outsiders
Stop all these ignorances and conduct your own researches
I

are you one?

Creampassion777:
well they are not as bad as you think I believe will learn alot from her. If you keep an open mind and pray if there's anything wrong it would be revealed to you. The real question actually is not her religion but whether she is a good person or not is what matters for now because her personality is different from her religion

Pray U say!!......Well it all depends on ur level of spirituality mehn!!! If u dey Run KAJAD SPIRITUAL JOURNEY on a Norm.. den u need to calm dwn nd somethings will be revealed to U as time goes on nd u gats dey vigilant to play OFFENSIVE ATTACK OR COUNTER DEFENSE.........Cus some piple need understand say dis Life wey we dey live na based on Spirit than physical ooo....

On behalf of some nairalanders I would like us to observe a one minute silence for the OP cos I know how it end mostly ....going into a lion den