KulKid:
And I thought u have grown up from being proud and arrogant mr achiever who is still staying in a rented apartment. Read my post well, I said this has nothing to do with you, why not move into the hole u came out from. I have changed but trust me I hate cyberbullies and Kreamie is one so I go give am fire for fire and you dare not stand in my way.

this is all shades wrong.sir you are only hurting your brand.

Zino1011:
this is all shades wrong.sir you are only hurting your brand.

I understand chief, but never let anyman who isn't feeding you insult you ever. We all came here to make money not make insults. Themonk started the insults I hope he gets the msg. And hey themonk, because someone speaks their mind doesn't make them a tout, I only used your name as a reference so if u wanna insult me think carefully next time.

KulKid:
I understand chief, but never let anyman who isn't feeding you insult you ever. We all came here to make money not make insults. Themonk started the insults I hope he gets the msg. And hey themonk, because someone speaks their mind doesn't make them a tout, I only used your name as a reference so if u wanna insult me think carefully next time.

My good friend I hope you'll listen to me?kindly restrain.

dannybrasky:


My good friend I hope you'll listen to me?kindly restrain.

Boss, I'm loyal sir. My pain is when people see this stuff they just conclude I'm a scammer who have defrauded people here and God knows nobody can come outside on this thread that Kulkid collected his money and didn't pay or deliver item as promised. We should understand cyber bullying is a crime especially when the person is innocent. Nobody deserves to go through what they didn't commit or did, my ordeal with the laptop guy in June 2019 was a mistake on my part which I sincerely apologized for even went on to send extra money to show how sorry I am. Kreamie you need learn a thing or two about life so you understand why promoting false accusations against people without consulting them first is very wrong. I have speak my mind now I'm at peace, I've already reached out to Donaltus and mrklock we're resolving the issue on failed pickup now when its done i hope you Kreamie do the needful.

Where is hotdealz?

KulKid:
Boss, I'm loyal sir. My pain is when people see this stuff they just conclude I'm a scammer who have defrauded people here and God knows nobody can come outside on this thread that Kulkid collected his money and didn't pay or deliver item as promised. We should understand cyber bullying is a crime especially when the person is innocent. Nobody deserves to go through what they didn't commit or did, my ordeal with the laptop guy in June 2019 was a mistake on my part which I sincerely apologized for even went on to send extra money to show how sorry I am. Kreamie you need learn a thing or two about life so you understand why promoting false accusations against people without consulting them first is very wrong. I have speak my mind now I'm at peace, I've already reached out to Donaltus and mrklock we're resolving the issue on failed pickup now when its done i hope you Kreamie do the needful.

Remember when you made a post here calling me a fraudster, after I sold you a working laptop which was verified by your cousin and you to be working and offered to refund you at least twice? Remember? Karma is a bitch* bro. You deserve to be called a fraudster because even after people asked you to change the topic of that post you refused. It doesn’t matter what you did bro, you deserve that title because you did it to an innocent person. I don’t understand why you are whining and crying, do unto others what you expect people to do to you, isn’t that the moral of all laws?

Nobody should even take you serious or plead for you, anybody who takes this dude serious should go and dig up that thread he called me a fraudster and then tell me how his crying is justified.

Also you are the one that mentioned my moniker, that is the point you made it about me. If you never mentioned me I wouldn’t even know this matter existed. If you like cry till tommorrow dragnet will ignore you, he ignored me too, remember?

KulKid:
Boss, I'm loyal sir. My pain is when people see this stuff they just conclude I'm a scammer who have defrauded people here and God knows nobody can come outside on this thread that Kulkid collected his money and didn't pay or deliver item as promised. We should understand cyber bullying is a crime especially when the person is innocent. Nobody deserves to go through what they didn't commit or did, my ordeal with the laptop guy in June 2019 was a mistake on my part which I sincerely apologized for even went on to send extra money to show how sorry I am. Kreamie you need learn a thing or two about life so you understand why promoting false accusations against people without consulting them first is very wrong. I have speak my mind now I'm at peace, I've already reached out to Donaltus and mrklock we're resolving the issue on failed pickup now when its done i hope you Kreamie do the needful.

KulKid how many times do you want to repeat this point. Everything you said has been noted. Wait for the processing. Bobo65 has highlighted 6 month agreement. I am sure kreamie will definitely see to what bobo65 highlighted. Must you repeat point always. If you have personal issues to sort with kreamie or anyone go to their personal Page. For now wait for processing of your name removal from black list biko.

Kreamie:
We await Hotdealz side of the story.

Hotdealz , you have the floor.

When he first chatted me up, (I did not even know he was from nairaland) he asked me "What my IDEA of the price to unlock the device was" and I said 8k (the price someone told me at ikeja)

He didn't make me understand that I must unlock the device or must provide the person that will unlock it at that price before they started the installmental payment.

When the payment was completed, it was in excess of 20k and he immediately asked me how soon he can get the device. We started discussing delivery and time it would take to get to ajah and I already told my delivery guy to carry the phone along when he came to pickup another item he was to deliver elsewhere.

All this while, no discussion about unlocking which is proof that I never had any agreement with D4donnn that I must/will provide unlocking service. Cos immediately payment was complete, next discussion was delivery.

All of a sudden, D4donnn came up with unlocking and he asked me to contact my guy that unlocks (I never told him I have a guy that unlocks). but coincidentally, I have the contact of the person that told me 8k at ikeja. So I tried to reach him to no avail. So I told him I can't reach the contact I have. He bacame aggressive and it turned into serious argument and insults.

The buyer after receiving his phone started messaging me directly with threats and insult. He was so confident because according to him he has proof that he transferred money into my account.

At this point, I could no longer trust D4donnn for these reasons;

*I don't know who he was.

*The way he turned "my IDEA of the price to unlock the device" into "I must unlock the device".

*He allowed this buyer send money directly into my account (Thats why the buyer was so confident to attack me)

*He was not straight forward - At first, he made me understand the excess funds to be his profit but later said the excess funds was for the unlocking of the device and delivery.

So, If any money paid into my account must go out, it must go back into the account it came from. D4donnn did not send money to me, so I was not comfortable with sending money to him. He should have collected money from his buyer and send exactly my money to me.

‌I purchased 4 pieces of hp elitebook laptops from hotdealz on the 31st of October. He clearly stated that the laptops were neat and of good condition. But when the laptops were delivered, they were not as he had described. Three out of the four laptops are rough and one was broken. He (hotdealz) claimed that the roughness was as a result of package issues during delivery and then refused to take responsibility for deceiving me with different images of the laptops. I tried to sell off the laptops but they are just too rough to sell.
‌All I want is for him to refund my money. I have proofs of the what he claimed that he sent and what was delivered. Please note that this isn't the first time that I'll be doing business with him.


The first two pictures are the pictures of what he sent
Last two are what I got

hotdealz:
When he first chatted me up, (I did not even know he was from nairaland) he asked me "What my IDEA of the price to unlock the device was" and I said 8k (the price someone told me at ikeja)

He didn't make me understand that I must unlock the device or must provide the person that will unlock it at that price before they started the installmental payment.

When the payment was completed, it was in excess of 20k and he immediately asked me how soon he can get the device. We started discussing delivery and time it would take to get to ajah and I already told my delivery guy to carry the phone along when he came to pickup another item he was to deliver elsewhere.

All this while, no discussion about unlocking which is proof that I never had any agreement with D4donnn that I must/will provide unlocking service. Cos immediately payment was complete, next discussion was delivery.

All of a sudden, D4donnn came up with unlocking and he asked me to contact my guy that unlocks (I never told him I have a guy that unlocks). but coincidentally, I have the contact of the person that told me 8k at ikeja. So I tried to reach him to no avail. So I told him I can't reach the contact I have. He bacame aggressive and it turned into serious argument and insults.

The buyer after receiving his phone started messaging me directly with threats and insult. He was so confident because according to him he has proof that he transferred money into my account.

At this point, I could no longer trust D4donnn for these reasons;

*I don't know who he was.

*The way he turned "my IDEA of the price to unlock the device" into "I must unlock the device".

*He allowed this buyer send money directly into my account (Thats why the buyer was so confident to attack me)

*He was not straight forward - At first, he made me understand the excess funds to be his profit but later said the excess funds was for the unlocking of the device and delivery.

So, If any money paid into my account must go out, it must go back into the account it came from. D4donnn did not send money to me, so I was not comfortable with sending money to him. He should have collected money from his buyer and send exactly my money to me.

Since you claim you know how to judge let me ask you a polite question,

1 Will someone from any other platform send you money first before item if not for nairaland.

2 why where you hell bent insisting on the 20k profit I stood to make from the deal

3 if you didnt know the cost of unlocking the device, why say it till date you haven't provided the contact of the person who can unlock for 8k , all you did was show me someone who said he can unlock the device for 21k ,

4 and to further buttress my point why tell me you got the deal from Sam's Same nairaland , if you didn't know I was from nl .

5 and the phone wasn't with your dispatch rider then , you strong armed us to use his services.which was even costlier than what we were supposed to use . Because phone when we never pay for nai your dispatch rider one they with for delivery purposes. Abi na so he they carry your entire market they waka .

6 what I dont get is why tell me 8k if you dont have an idea of the cost and when you discovered it was wrong what was the actions you took to mitigate your misleading statement . Because from all evidence you knew it was not 8k

7 all the deals i do on nl I send the entire money to the seller even those in us and they will still credit me the balance , so why will you be an exception .

8 then what moved you in Gods name to say buyer na wetin I sell the device be this , let me reimburse you the balance and let's forget about him who brought the deal . Mr Don I'm done with you.

And nobody insulted you until you said you wouldn't collect your device again or refund the money . When I told you to try to unlock the device before it got to the island , what was your input ?

hotdealz:
When he first chatted me up, (I did not even know he was from nairaland) he asked me "What my IDEA of the price to unlock the device was" and I said 8k (the price someone told me at ikeja)

He didn't make me understand that I must unlock the device or must provide the person that will unlock it at that price before they started the installmental payment.

When the payment was completed, it was in excess of 20k and he immediately asked me how soon he can get the device. We started discussing delivery and time it would take to get to ajah and I already told my delivery guy to carry the phone along when he came to pickup another item he was to deliver elsewhere.

All this while, no discussion about unlocking which is proof that I never had any agreement with D4donnn that I must/will provide unlocking service. Cos immediately payment was complete, next discussion was delivery.

All of a sudden, D4donnn came up with unlocking and he asked me to contact my guy that unlocks (I never told him I have a guy that unlocks). but coincidentally, I have the contact of the person that told me 8k at ikeja. So I tried to reach him to no avail. So I told him I can't reach the contact I have. He bacame aggressive and it turned into serious argument and insults.

The buyer after receiving his phone started messaging me directly with threats and insult. He was so confident because according to him he has proof that he transferred money into my account.

At this point, I could no longer trust D4donnn for these reasons;

*I don't know who he was.

*The way he turned "my IDEA of the price to unlock the device" into "I must unlock the device".

*He allowed this buyer send money directly into my account (Thats why the buyer was so confident to attack me)

*He was not straight forward - At first, he made me understand the excess funds to be his profit but later said the excess funds was for the unlocking of the device and delivery.

So, If any money paid into my account must go out, it must go back into the account it came from. D4donnn did not send money to me, so I was not comfortable with sending money to him. He should have collected money from his buyer and send exactly my money to me.

You're trying to win this argument based on technicality of the issue but still, i'm not buying it. Everything from your write up is technically and morally wrong.

We all know how things work here, nobody is a novice. A lot of people are middlemen and are into dropshipping, you are not supposed to let the actual owner know the exact price of the item. Despite the fact that you didnt intend to refund which i think is very bad of you, you went ahead to ruin the relationship of the person who brought the deal to you and the real owner for your own selfish profit.

The fact that the deal was an AIN one, refund should have been automatic especially for the fact that everything happen within few hours. If D4donnn had used escrow, do you think you would have get away with this? You dont have to force your AIN deal on people.

In my own conclusion, i see you as a shady person that should not be trusted wholeheartedly and going by your antecedents, i vote that you're blacklisted for now, till you change your ways.

wildchild1:


You're trying to win this argument based on technicality of the issue but still, i'm not buying it. Everything from your write up is technically and morally wrong.

We all know how things work here, nobody is a novice. A lot of people are middlemen and are into dropshipping, you are not supposed to let the actual owner know the exact price of the item. Despite the fact that you didnt intend to refund which i think is very bad of you, you went ahead to ruin the relationship of the person who brought the deal to you and the real owner for your own selfish profit.

The fact that the deal was an AIN one, refund should have been automatic especially for the fact that everything happen within few hours. If D4donnn had used escrow, do you think you would have get away with this? You dont have to force your AIN deal on people.

In my own conclusion, i see you as a shady person that should not be trusted wholeheartedly and going by your antecedents, i vote that you're blacklisted for now, till you change your ways.

don't rush into conclusion,what he did was morally wrong but on law and technicality,he did no wrong.
when doing deals with anybody,people should endeavour to speak out their terms and conditions,don't conclude that the other party already know what to do.hotldealz since this young man trusted you to transact this business with you and things has gone awry,what do u want to do to compensate him for all his efforts into this business?

Mr hotdealz this act is not entirely honest of you..

From the screenshot of chat D4donxxx posted, what really caught my attention was the fact you said you sold the phone at a loss, 270k to 260k,
Then because middleman was making 20k profit, you are just out to ruin everything not just the deal but his personal relationship as well.

That's is so unfair.

Pls try doing the right thing abeg..

Building money/business relationship for naija hard abeg

chidekings:

don't rush into conclusion,what he did was morally wrong but on law and technicality,he did no wrong.
when doing deals with anybody,people should endeavour to speak out their terms and conditions,don't conclude that the other party already know what to do.hotldealz since this young man trusted you to transact this business with you and things has gone awry,what do u want to do to compensate him for all his efforts into this business?

Nah I disagree.. If matters here are based on technicality a lot of issues will go unsolved or parties invoiced may never get a fair hearing..
You see, the nature of this business makes it very important that even the judges must be in the biz to be able to understand the context by which things are being run...

Only if Hotdealz had put Selling As Is in his ads, that's when he can be absolved of any responsibility.. In this case even if D4donxxx still asked the him idea of unlocking, he can only help, and not responsible for it..

Moreso, since he didn't put Selling As Is, immediately D4donxxx asked him the question of unlocking, he's supposed to reinstate he isn't responsible for it nonetheless after telling him the "idea",, but ofcouse he was trying to get money off it, saying that might "wake up" D4donxxx

In conclusion, Im of the opinion that Hotdealz was just looking for an unsuspecting victim when he posted that ads.. And the moment he caught one, was unwilling to make a refund..
Cause I believe in this case, the responsibility of saying the T&C of the unlock rest on the seller... Again a simple Selling As Is would have absolved him of any responsibility...

Good Morning

See instead of we looking for awawi or awijare (words of justification).. Suggestion on solution should be popping out. If everyone decides to tender their opinions on the matter, this thread will be more than 1k pages today. Let's suggestion on solution pop in. We've heard from both sides...... Solution is what we should be after now

Owodiran1:
See instead of we looking for awawi or awijare (words of justification).. Suggestion on solution should be popping out. If everyone decides to tender their opinions on the matter, this thread will be more than 1k pages today. Let's suggestion on solution pop in. We've heard from both sides...... Solution is what we should be after now

Cc
Wildchild
Omic
Shelay
Lionlee

Sir, final Verdict please, if not make Oga Dragnet close this thread forever

Well my suggestion is this since hotdealz has reached out to the buyer and has told him the actual amount of the phone and offered to refund him the extra 20k which was supposed to be profit, make him refund am.

if the buyer accept the partial refund and decides to undertake the unlocking by himself exempting d4donxxx from any possible further issues, let the buyer unlock the phone.

furthermore he should talk to the buyer to mitigate the effect of whatever he has said regarding d4don, trust de hard to build but very easy to destroy.

Make d4don try forget am, if all the above can be achieved

Owodiran1:
See instead of we looking for awawi or awijare (words of justification).. Suggestion on solution should be popping out. If everyone decides to tender their opinions on the matter, this thread will be more than 1k pages today. Let's suggestion on solution pop in. We've heard from both sides...... Solution is what we should be after now

timijoseph01:

Nah I disagree.. If matters here are based on technicality a lot of issues will go unsolved or parties invoiced may never get a fair hearing..
You see, the nature of this business makes it very important that even the judges must be in the biz to be able to understand the context by which things are being run...

Only if Hotdealz had put Selling As Is in his ads, that's when he can be absolved of any responsibility.. In this case even if D4donxxx still asked the him idea of unlocking, he can only help, and not responsible for it..

Moreso, since he didn't put Selling As Is, immediately D4donxxx asked him the question of unlocking, he's supposed to reinstate he isn't responsible for it nonetheless after telling him the "idea",, but ofcouse he was trying to get money off it, saying that might "wake up" D4donxxx

In conclusion, Im of the opinion that Hotdealz was just looking for an unsuspecting victim when he posted that ads.. And the moment he caught one, was unwilling to make a refund..
Cause I believe in this case, the responsibility of saying the T&C of the unlock rest on the seller... Again a simple Selling As Is would have absolved him of any responsibility...

Good Morning

your points are valid,but here what is needed is the way forward.i believe the complaint needs an apology from hotldealaz and his 20,000 naira

Elbreezy:
‌I purchased 4 pieces of hp elitebook laptops from hotdealz on the 31st of October. He clearly stated that the laptops were neat and of good condition. But when the laptops were delivered, they were not as he had described. Three out of the four laptops are rough and one was broken. He (hotdealz) claimed that the roughness was as a result of package issues during delivery and then refused to take responsibility for deceiving me with different images of the laptops. I tried to sell off the laptops but they are just too rough to sell.
‌All I want is for him to refund my money. I have proofs of the what he claimed that he sent and what was delivered. Please note that this isn't the first time that I'll be doing business with him.


The first two pictures are the pictures of what he sent
Last two are what I got

Hotdealz, what do you have to say about this? Cc Kreamie Bobo65

wildchild1:


Hotdealz, what do you have to say about this? Cc Kreamie Bobo65

That man has issues with his waybill company not me.

chidekings:

your points are valid,but here what is needed is the way forward.i believe the complaint needs an apology from hotldealaz and his 20,000 naira

Thanks a lot everybody that has spoken , especially my boss wildchild who advised me from the onset on the steps to take .

The salient thing to consider is

1 he said the unlock anyway its phrased is 8k , that made me decide to get the device a simple no idea or I dont provide unlock services would babe made me contact cybertek instantly. But the definitiveness of his answer made me conclude he must have gotten it from a person of authority. I have unlocked samsung devices but that does not mean I can speculate the cost of unlocking any device .

2 he also agree to assist with the unlock even when he stated his dispatch rider will go to ikeja to meet others who will unlock the device at a competitive price , I think I can search for the screenshot.

3 he was not keen on reasoning with me , the minute he saw the 20k profit . That's why he went as far as to contact the buyer and offered him the profit I stood to gain , saying the actual amount the device was sold to him and the excess of 20k , jimmy and reefe would know how close I and the buyer is , he is talking to me but I know there must be some trust issues going forward now .

4 I have dealt with a lot of persons here , even one scenario I paid a tlc to inspectormax and when we discovered the cost of the unlock was above our budget the next day cybertek replied us he refunded us the complete money, including the profit I added to the deal .

5 everyone that has dealt with me knows I add something tiny to the deal and until the deal is sealed or closed i dont request for it .

6 hotdealz was unwilling to accept his device that very day or the very instant we discovered the actual amount of the unlock .

Now my question is if every body were to post any amount. On their ads as the idea they presume would be for the unlock , I can bet you 90% of persons will repeat the actions I took , because a lot of persons have come to trust popular monikers on nairaland.

The only justifiable remedy is
1 my 20k profit should be sent to me , by hotdealz

2 he should send me a complete screenshot of the conversation he had with the buyer my friend so I can know how best to provide a suitable excuse that can mitigate the consequences of his actions

Thanks to everybody who has contributed it means a lot to me

No offense but it seems most of the big names here are not keen on commenting or contributing, it's fine sha .

Thanks oga wildchild1
My boss owodiran1
Chidekings
Rexraph18
Timijoseph01

wildchild1:


You're trying to win this argument based on technicality of the issue but still, i'm not buying it. Everything from your write up is technically and morally wrong.

We all know how things work here, nobody is a novice. A lot of people are middlemen and are into dropshipping, you are not supposed to let the actual owner know the exact price of the item. Despite the fact that you didnt intend to refund which i think is very bad of you, you went ahead to ruin the relationship of the person who brought the deal to you and the real owner for your own selfish profit.

The fact that the deal was an AIN one, refund should have been automatic especially for the fact that everything happen within few hours. If D4donnn had used escrow, do you think you would have get away with this? You dont have to force your AIN deal on people.

In my own conclusion, i see you as a shady person that should not be trusted wholeheartedly and going by your antecedents, i vote that you're blacklisted for now, till you change your ways.

Exactly. He didn't have to disclose the price plus it's an AIN deal, a refund should have been easy.

D4donxxx:



Since you claim you know how to judge let me ask you a polite question,

1 Will someone from any other platform send you money first before item if not for nairaland.

2 why where you hell bent insisting on the 20k profit I stood to make from the deal

3 if you didnt know the cost of unlocking the device, why say it till date you haven't provided the contact of the person who can unlock for 8k , all you did was show me someone who said he can unlock the device for 21k ,

4 and to further buttress my point why tell me you got the deal from Sam's Same nairaland , if you didn't know I was from nl .

5 and the phone wasn't with your dispatch rider then , you strong armed us to use his services.which was even costlier than what we were supposed to use . Because phone when we never pay for nai your dispatch rider one they with for delivery purposes. Abi na so he they carry your entire market they waka .

6 what I dont get is why tell me 8k if you dont have an idea of the cost and when you discovered it was wrong what was the actions you took to mitigate your misleading statement . Because from all evidence you knew it was not 8k

7 all the deals i do on nl I send the entire money to the seller even those in us and they will still credit me the balance , so why will you be an exception .

8 then what moved you in Gods name to say buyer na wetin I sell the device be this , let me reimburse you the balance and let's forget about him who brought the deal . Mr Don I'm done with you.

And nobody insulted you until you said you wouldn't collect your device again or refund the money . When I told you to try to unlock the device before it got to the island , what was your input ?

Hotdeals really messed up this part, what it implies is that a middle man can't bring a deal for you any longer since his own profit won't be guaranteed. That's greed

I align with this school of thought.

wildchild1:


You're trying to win this argument based on technicality of the issue but still, i'm not buying it. Everything from your write up is technically and morally wrong.

We all know how things work here, nobody is a novice. A lot of people are middlemen and are into dropshipping, you are not supposed to let the actual owner know the exact price of the item. Despite the fact that you didnt intend to refund which i think is very bad of you, you went ahead to ruin the relationship of the person who brought the deal to you and the real owner for your own selfish profit.

The fact that the deal was an AIN one, refund should have been automatic especially for the fact that everything happen within few hours. If D4donnn had used escrow, do you think you would have get away with this? You dont have to force your AIN deal on people.

In my own conclusion, i see you as a shady person that should not be trusted wholeheartedly and going by your antecedents, i vote that you're blacklisted for now, till you change your ways.

Hotdealz

The only justifiable remedy is
1 my 20k profit should be sent to me , by hotdealz

2 he should send me a complete screenshot of the conversation he had with the buyer my friend so I can know how best to provide a suitable excuse that can mitigate the consequences of his actions

In my opinion, the above aren’t too much to ask. Sort this issue out and redeem your image. Let potential customers know they can still strike deals with you in the nearest future and don’t ruin this chance because of some naira. Look to the future man; do the needful.

D4donxxx:


Thanks a lot everybody that has spoken , especially my boss wildchild who advised me from the onset on the steps to take .

The salient thing to consider is

1 he said the unlock anyway its phrased is 8k , that made me decide to get the device a simple no idea or I dont provide unlock services would babe made me contact cybertek instantly. But the definitiveness of his answer made me conclude he must have gotten it from a person of authority. I have unlocked samsung devices but that does not mean I can speculate the cost of unlocking any device .

2 he also agree to assist with the unlock even when he stated his dispatch rider will go to ikeja to meet others who will unlock the device at a competitive price , I think I can search for the screenshot.

3 he was not keen on reasoning with me , the minute he saw the 20k profit . That's why he went as far as to contact the buyer and offered him the profit I stood to gain , saying the actual amount the device was sold to him and the excess of 20k , jimmy and reefe would know how close I and the buyer is , he is talking to me but I know there must be some trust issues going forward now .

4 I have dealt with a lot of persons here , even one scenario I paid a tlc to inspectormax and when we discovered the cost of the unlock was above our budget the next day cybertek replied us he refunded us the complete money, including the profit I added to the deal .

5 everyone that has dealt with me knows I add something tiny to the deal and until the deal is sealed or closed i dont request for it .

6 hotdealz was unwilling to accept his device that very day or the very instant we discovered the actual amount of the unlock .

Now my question is if every body were to post any amount. On their ads as the idea they presume would be for the unlock , I can bet you 90% of persons will repeat the actions I took , because a lot of persons have come to trust popular monikers on nairaland.

The only justifiable remedy is
1 my 20k profit should be sent to me , by hotdealz

2 he should send me a complete screenshot of the conversation he had with the buyer my friend so I can know how best to provide a suitable excuse that can mitigate the consequences of his actions

Thanks to everybody who has contributed it means a lot to me

No offense but it seems most of the big names here are not keen on commenting or contributing, it's fine sha .

Thanks oga wildchild1
My boss owodiran1
Chidekings
Rexraph18
Timijoseph01

hotdealz:
That man has issues with his waybill company not me.

chief let's be sincere to one another, would you have accepted those laptops from him if you were in his shoe? Those laptops are far from the cosmetic description you gave to the buyer and this was an AIN deal not TLC. If it were a TLC deal one would have assumed otherwise.

D4donxxx:


Thanks a lot everybody that has spoken , especially my boss wildchild who advised me from the onset on the steps to take .

The salient thing to consider is

1 he said the unlock anyway its phrased is 8k , that made me decide to get the device a simple no idea or I dont provide unlock services would babe made me contact cybertek instantly. But the definitiveness of his answer made me conclude he must have gotten it from a person of authority. I have unlocked samsung devices but that does not mean I can speculate the cost of unlocking any device .

2 he also agree to assist with the unlock even when he stated his dispatch rider will go to ikeja to meet others who will unlock the device at a competitive price , I think I can search for the screenshot.

3 he was not keen on reasoning with me , the minute he saw the 20k profit . That's why he went as far as to contact the buyer and offered him the profit I stood to gain , saying the actual amount the device was sold to him and the excess of 20k , jimmy and reefe would know how close I and the buyer is , he is talking to me but I know there must be some trust issues going forward now .

4 I have dealt with a lot of persons here , even one scenario I paid a tlc to inspectormax and when we discovered the cost of the unlock was above our budget the next day cybertek replied us he refunded us the complete money, including the profit I added to the deal .

5 everyone that has dealt with me knows I add something tiny to the deal and until the deal is sealed or closed i dont request for it .

6 hotdealz was unwilling to accept his device that very day or the very instant we discovered the actual amount of the unlock .

Now my question is if every body were to post any amount. On their ads as the idea they presume would be for the unlock , I can bet you 90% of persons will repeat the actions I took , because a lot of persons have come to trust popular monikers on nairaland.

The only justifiable remedy is
1 my 20k profit should be sent to me , by hotdealz

2 he should send me a complete screenshot of the conversation he had with the buyer my friend so I can know how best to provide a suitable excuse that can mitigate the consequences of his actions

Thanks to everybody who has contributed it means a lot to me

No offense but it seems most of the big names here are not keen on commenting or contributing, it's fine sha .

Thanks oga wildchild1
My boss owodiran1
Chidekings
Rexraph18
Timijoseph01

You have a case but I think you should be more flexible with your demand on your 20k mark up tho.

I think it's fairer for you and hotdealz to share the extra cost of the unlocking. Even though the info he provided on the 8k unlock fee may be termed as part of what made you went ahead with the deal, I will implore you to be flexible. Shit happens.

Ur second demand is apt.

Hotdealz opening up of D4donxxx's mark up to the buyer is wrong and totally condemnable. He should watch his cupidity as that was exactly what could have pushed him to that. You set ur price cos u were comfortable with it. The middleman's mark up is none of ur business. You wouldn't know what he did to convince the buyer to accept the deal na.

I will advise that people be lucid with terms of deals and be wary of buyers/sellers who pursue technicalities of issues here. This is not a court. The kind of dealings that happen here are those where you can not rule out issues. They happen and will continue to happen but how we handle them matters.

hotdealz:
When he first chatted me up, (I did not even know he was from nairaland) he asked me "What my IDEA of the price to unlock the device was" and I said 8k (the price someone told me at ikeja)

He didn't make me understand that I must unlock the device or must provide the person that will unlock it at that price before they started the installmental payment.

When the payment was completed, it was in excess of 20k and he immediately asked me how soon he can get the device. We started discussing delivery and time it would take to get to ajah and I already told my delivery guy to carry the phone along when he came to pickup another item he was to deliver elsewhere.

All this while, no discussion about unlocking which is proof that I never had any agreement with D4donnn that I must/will provide unlocking service. Cos immediately payment was complete, next discussion was delivery.

All of a sudden, D4donnn came up with unlocking and he asked me to contact my guy that unlocks (I never told him I have a guy that unlocks). but coincidentally, I have the contact of the person that told me 8k at ikeja. So I tried to reach him to no avail. So I told him I can't reach the contact I have. He bacame aggressive and it turned into serious argument and insults.

The buyer after receiving his phone started messaging me directly with threats and insult. He was so confident because according to him he has proof that he transferred money into my account.

At this point, I could no longer trust D4donnn for these reasons;

*I don't know who he was.

*The way he turned "my IDEA of the price to unlock the device" into "I must unlock the device".

*He allowed this buyer send money directly into my account (Thats why the buyer was so confident to attack me)

*He was not straight forward - At first, he made me understand the excess funds to be his profit but later said the excess funds was for the unlocking of the device and delivery.

So, If any money paid into my account must go out, it must go back into the account it came from. D4donnn did not send money to me, so I was not comfortable with sending money to him. He should have collected money from his buyer and send exactly my money to me.

My opinion on the issue.

Hotdealz has no right whatsoever to disclose the actual amount of the item to buyer. You were contacted for the deal by a middle man, you should have directed all correspondence to him. That action of yours was borne out of greed and envy. I've had a deal with a middle man on here , and after he lowballed me, and I agreed to sell, his profit on each item when cash was sent to me by the actual buyer was more than mine for all 3 items. But I accepted that, even though it was painful and sent him his cut.
Going forward, Hotdealz should be prepared cos a lot of middlemen will be wary of doing business with him to forestall a repeat of this, cos the singular act of revealing actual price to seller is a very damaging action.

Secondly, your response when he asked for the cost of unlock was definitive, and that suggested that you've already asked from the person that'd unlock it. If you had given him a suggestive answer, you'd have been absolved you of any claims.

I think the solution is to refund part of the 20k to D4donxxx, and let him know the extent of damage you've done to his brand to the buyer, so he knows how to mitigate it.

Once again, this is my own opinion, and isn't binding on anyone.

Protein0:

You have a case but I think you should be more flexible with your demand on your 20k mark up tho.

I think it's fairer for you and hotdealz to share the extra cost of the unlocking. Even though the info he provided on the 8k unlock fee may be termed as part of what made you went ahead with the deal, I will implore you to be flexible. Shit happens.

Ur second demand is apt.

Hotdealz opening up of D4donxxx's mark up to the buyer is wrong and totally condemnable. He should watch his cupidity as that was exactly what could have pushed him to that. You set ur price cos u were comfortable with it. The middleman's mark up is none of ur business. You wouldn't know what he did to convince the buyer to accept the deal na.

I will advise that people be more lucid with terms of deals and be wary of buyers/sellers who pursue technicalities of issues here. This is not a court. The kind of dealings that happen here are those where you can not rule out issues. They happen and will continue to happen but how we handle them matters.

I am inclined towards this solution. At this point a compromise should be made by d4donxxx, not because it's his responsibility by reasonable standards but for this issue to be settled as peaceful as possible.

The second demand is quite reasonable and should be provided as soon as possible to enable d4donxxx know how to package himself to restore trust between himself and the client.

That being said, hotdealz another measure I'll advise you to take is to apologize to d4donxxx for the wrongdoings. Especially that aspect of exposing the real amount of the deal. It's an unspoken rule that you should be aware of and you did that deliberately to absolve yourself of any responsibility.
Please reflect on this humble opinions and do the needful.

Thanks a lot my bosses for your input , if he agrees to send me 10k I'll be fine with it

And also he should send me all the correspondence he had with the buyer a because that is very important to me , to know how best to resolve issues with him .

Thanks a lot for your input my bosses

Wildchild1
Shelay
Kreamie
Rakitibarca
Protein0
Donbigi2
Joeysage

Means a lot to me , whether he agrees or not , but as long as you guys have contributed means that at the very least you did the best you possibly could to mitigate my suffering.

Rakiticbarca:
Hotdeals really messed up this part, what it implies is that a middle man can't bring a deal for you any longer since his own profit won't be guaranteed. That's greed

A middle man's profit is always guaranteed if he is straightforward and carries me along not to make me look stupid or bad in the eyes of a buyer while saving his own image because, I will surely spoil his own image in the eyes of the buyer too.

D4donnn should've carried me along properly. Also, I wasn't transacting with him knowing he's from nairaland because he didn't introduce himself from the beginning. I only knew later on but it was already late.


The screenshot below shows what a straightforward middle man is like.

Hotdealz

D4donxxx:
Thanks a lot my bosses for your input , if he agrees to send me 10k I'll be fine with it

And also he should send me all the correspondence he had with the buyer a because that is very important to me , to know how best to resolve issues with him .

Thanks a lot for your input my bosses

Wildchild1
Shelay
Kreamie
Rakitibarca
Protein0
Donbigi2
Joeysage

Means a lot to me , whether he agrees or not , but as long as you guys have contributed means that at the very least you did the best you possibly could to mitigate my suffering.