pansophist:


I think you are beating about the Bush. Life is suffering should not be understood in a material sense, but from an existential lense. Money or no money, everyone suffers in one way or the other. Its clarified in my previous response to you.

Again, wealth, power, status and whatever are what human acquire to alleviate the suffering and make life more enjoyable. And no, death being suffering to the rich is not an argument, it can only make sense if we are talking about material suffering. I'm referring to existential suffering. Something that renders your money powerless.

By existential suffering I guess you mean we exist to suffer . I believe that existence precedes essence. Others like you may believe that essence precedes existence. If existence precedes essence, it means that people exist first of all and the family they are born into or their choices in life prevents them from suffering. But since you believe that the essence of suffering precedes existence , that is , people are actually born to suffer and there is nothing they can do about it then we are of different schools of thought.

I'm not beating about the bush.

No way. My achievement is me knowing I lived the life I planned for myself.

gunners160:
you are getting it wrong. u can have a family without marriage. Davido, whizkid, olamide etc are perfect examples. Talking of kids, you can also get that outside marriage, we are in the 21st century now not in an archaic one.

Perfect example of raising children out of wedlock. Do you wish that kind of life for yourself or any of your offspring?

To me, it's an achievement! I can't even trade this particular achievement for anything. I am personally proud of it.

Ladylawyer:
I consider marriage and having kids as an achievement. The reason is that I need people that I can call my own.

yours is born out of necessity.

Having my own godly family is an achievement to me, a day I look forward to. Can't wait to raise a family �.

It's a huge achievement if done the right way.

I really find the response intriguing, especially for those who think marriage is an achievement or accomplishment.

I don't think most of them really meant or understand what that entails.

leaving dictionary meaning

You can make a choice and it either favors you or not

when a choice favors you, you call it avhievement and when it doesn't, what do you call that?

thats more reason i said that point

and i am sure you also understand my bone of contention but to save us the argument

lets just marriage and having kids is an achievement, PERIOD!

lexy2014:


What is achievement in d dictionary? Do u achieve anything without making a choice to achieve that thing? How can u separate achievement & choice?

In most African societies the answer is Yes because it confers on the individual the status and honour "as responsible adult".
The Social expectation towards marriage in Africa is so strong such that bachelorhood/ spinsterhood at some cettain age carries a very serious negative stigma.
Economically children are very Big achievement in Nigeria because they are the only Hope of the retirees/aged in this country since Maina and his co-travellers in the pension scheme embezzled their fund. On more serious note, most Nigerians fall back to their children for financial sustenance at old age.

hashtagged:
No they are not achievements they are liabilities

No point from your post. Makes you a liability to to your parents.

DexterousOne:

I disagree

Some of the greatest men ever, who changed the course of humanity FOREVER were childless and without family

Example Nikolai Tesla

jaxxy:


Yes and No

An achievement is whatever u set for urself and for most people and maybe society Yes marriage and having kids is an Achievement depending on where u come from.

Some people think just having money and living wealthy is an Achievement bt to some it is not.

Jesus came and in his short stay achieved alot. He didn’t marry or have kids cos that’s not why he came. And yet what he accomplished was a great Achievement. I’m speaking for Christians and spiritual minded folks now.

So Achievement is accomplishing ur goals, ur aspirations or path in life.

christ couldn't have married anyway. paul would have been a better example

ethicallyright:


By existential suffering I guess you mean we exist to suffer . I believe that existence precedes essence. Others like you may believe that essence precedes existence. If existence precedes essence, it means that people exist first of all and the family they are born into or their choices in life prevents them from suffering. But since you believe that the essence of suffering precedes existence , that is , people are actually born to suffer and there is nothing they can do about it then we are of different schools of thought.

I'm not beating about the bush.

Bros, you're overcomplicating this.

Essence coming before existence or existence coming before essence, which ever way you want to slice it, life is suffering by default.

By life being suffering, it doesn't mean everyone will have a bad life, it doesn't mean those who have a bad life won't have a good life later, it doesn't mean that suffering will not be alien to someone people, it also doesn't mean that suffering will be your friend in a material sense.

Its not a thing of a school of thought, its just a fact. Religious people agreed on this, philosphers, tragedist, all agree on this simple fact. Christ dying for your sins was to ameliorate this suffering, that you should do good is a way of lessening the suffering, hence, the bible say that my people suffer for lack of knowledge.

Life is suffering, by default keyword and emphasise on default).

Maybe

chi4ik:
Which achievement? Marriage is a severe liability as man. Most woman see marriage and relationship as an employment, escape from poverty and stress free.

As for me, I will only marry not because there is any single achievement in marriage but just a necessity.

You are the only one here who said the right thing...

pansophist:


Bros, you're overcomplicating this.

Essence coming before existence or existence coming before essence, which ever way you want to slice it, life is suffering by default.

By life being suffering, it doesn't mean everyone will have a bad life, it doesn't mean those who have a bad life won't have a good life later, it doesn't mean that suffering will not be alien to someone people, it also doesn't mean that suffering will be your friend in a material sense.

Its not a thing of a school of thought, its just a fact. Religious people agreed on this, philosphers, tragedist, all agree on this simple fact. Christ dying for your sins was to ameliorate this suffering, that you should do good is a way of lessening the suffering, hence, the bible say that my people suffer for lack of knowledge.

Life is suffering, by default keyword and emphasise on default).

I'm not complicating anything. "Existence precedes essence" is an important phrase in the philosophy of existentialism which I subscribe to. You're a dogmatic theologist using subjective religious views to explain life.

thesicilian:

Of course, but that's not an achievement, considering the fact that even a madman can impregnate a madwoman.

Define achievement.
I think that would put your answer in the correct perspective.
Imagine bringing a full human being to this World is not an achievement?
It's in thus generation that educated and supposedly exposed people are vomiting hot air.
Abeg,talk something else.

Kestolove:
To us it is, but for some of dem ladies dat have crossed 30 ND know husband dey console demsefs by saying it's not an achievement, watch dem cum attack me now

Try and travel out a little to improve your exposure in life. Even research agrees that singles live longer and healthier than married people. The poorest are married and have more kids, it's only an achievement in underdeveloped countries where the majority are illiterates. Hope you know President Putin has no wife? President Macron didn't even plan to have kids. Try associate more with enlightened people

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ethicallyright:


I'm not complicating anything. "Existence precedes essence" is an important phrase in the philosophy of existentialism which I subscribe to. You're a dogmatic theologist using subjective religious views to explain life.

You were shifting this discourse to an angle I do not want to go into, as it will be like a point of no return. All these philosophical arguments are endless, we just will not agree on one thing. And thats what I want to avoid.

So slice it how you want, my stance is that is life is suffering. Doesnt matter which precedes who. Doesnt matter what I think about which precedes which. My point is simple. And let's stick on it without going far. Abeg.

children for me is a necessary legacy to leave the footprint that u were here (earth) tho not compulsory... why marriage is compulsorily not necessary to achieve the legacy children... just chuck prick and give someone belle hahahahahah

gunners160:
you are getting it wrong. u can have a family without marriage. Davido, whizkid, olamide etc are perfect examples. Talking of kids, you can also get that outside marriage, we are in the 21st century now not in an archaic one.

Very lame mentality..

okwusdidi:
It is better to remain single than to marry an idiot and end up living miserably for the rest of your life or worst still get divorced.The false notion that marriage is compulsory or an achievement has led people into getting married without a solid foundation.Marriage is not an achievement.I have never heard that someone achieved greatness just by getting married.

I would have kissed you for this if you were a lady...

okwusdidi:
It is better to remain single than to marry an idiot and end up living miserably for the rest of your life or worst still get divorced.The false notion that marriage is compulsory or an achievement has led people into getting married without a solid foundation.Marriage is not an achievement.I have never heard that someone achieved greatness just by getting married.

A successful marriage is an achievement. An unsuccessful marriage is a tragedy thus, won't qualify as an achievement.

I believe we are all created in a variety of ways with peculiar characters. Sometimes we see things we haven't seen b4 and we get carried by the wave and we may side step. There is no short cut to life. You can make your choice
and still live with it but I still believe nature plays its part. Can't say cuz I believe me reality

nakaman:
na wa o, sometimes I wonder if people think from their anus, if getting married and making a family is not an achievement what then is an achievement, is it your certificate?, abi your cars?, or estate. oga without a child, your a waste. except giving it to charity, else your unborn kids will punish you both in heaven and in hell. why guys come dey hustle. as your papa train you, you go follow train person. the best investment/resources a person haa is his/her offspring.
even in anambra, taking responsibility for a burial is considered an achievement talkless of getting married. ah you be baba, bcuz that is when the real hustle begins, you will be forced to scam, just to make money.

Bros, mention 100 married men in your community who has achieved more than Albert Eistein or Nikolai Tesla, and I'll deactivate my Nairaland account, forever!!!

Reeberry:
No point from your post. Makes you a liability to to your parents.

Do you know what liabilities are? Of course you do so you are also a liability to your parents no matter how sweet you try to paint it so fvck off

internationalman:


He may have children but he doesn't have a family..

I've shown you the definition of marriage..

I don't like marriage anymore than you do, but the truth must be said.

family is defined as a group of or more parents and their children living together as a unit. the belief that you must be married before you can have a family is erroneous. Some parents live together with their children without being married and are even happier than some married ones. Lets see things for what they are, there is marriage, there is family, none is a prerequisite or consequence for the other. Achievements can be defined by what an individual set out as his or her goal, to some marriage n having kids could be an achievement, to others it might not be.

Achievement is subjective. Marriage is a journey. it either ends well or end in tears depending on how the road is.

Yes for the children, No for the marriage.