Sixfeetbelle:


Exactly what I'm trying to point out.

As far as they aren't of high moral standing, they shouldn't be bothered about.

Gosh! I can't believe I share the same air with you lots.

Sixfeetbelle:


Exactly what I'm trying to point out.

As far as they aren't of high moral standing, they shouldn't be bothered about.

Gosh! I can't believe I share the same air with you lots.

Sixfeetbelle:


From the first time that story dropped, even before the guy came on to say his part, they didn't believe her. It was completely dismissed and it is worrisome.

Now that I've seen the guy's part, I'm skeptical about her story, but I wasn't from the first minute.

khingTony:

Because she didn't provide an evidence, if she had provided one, people will take her serious

Sixfeetbelle:


They didn't take her serious because she's a paid prostitute, not because of evidence. If it was a child, their response would have been different

khingTony:

Yeah, she's a paid hoe that was chasing clout


And why are you defending an olosho with such enthusiasm? Prostitution is one of the problems we have in this country

Sixfeetbelle:


I don't believe her but I also didn't dismiss her claims. That's what any normal human being should have done.

Most of you didn't investigate the story because it's a guy. You saw the chats and dismissed her case instantly. That she was a paid prostitute even helped most of you to nail the confirm. Some even blamed her for going willingly to his hotel room which is where my anger lies.

Sixfeetbelle:
"Can a lady not be raped even though she went willingly to a hotel room with a guy?"

I kept asking this question last night when that topic about the singer and that doctor made front page but no one could give me a logical answer and it shocked me to realise how sick and depraved our morality is in this country. Most of the response I kept getting was "She's a paid LovePeddler" the instant dismissal clear in their reply and it worried me how low our empathy is.

There was even comments that concluded she was chasing clout because she wasn't paid full amount (even though the guy didn't pay anything), citing examples of how loose ladies can be, as if it's enough justification for one getting raped.

So I wondered, is the possibility that impossible? Is it so hard to conjecture such a claim being true? Can a prostitute be invited to a hotel room by a client and not get raped or do we only judge these rape cases by the 'uprightness' of the victim? We know some ladies have been raped this way, lured to a place with a promise of money or fun and raped, so how much more a prostitute? Or is a prostitute not a human being that her claims are being dropped like hot coals? Are we this judgemental and heartless?

Some even became judge, jury and executioner, using the chats as evidence for their conviction with silly comments like: "There's no evidence she was raped in the chat, so therefore, it didn't happen." Have you ever heard of a murder case being convicted using only chats so how do expect a rape charge to be convicted in such manner? Are rape cases verbal exchanges that ordinary chats can prove or disprove it? Seriously!

To incite the accusation flame, the mods brought up the second part of the claim with a very controversial topic: "She asked me to pay $1000." and that seemed to seal the deal for the rest of you. Which makes me wonder: "Does being paid high mean you deserve anything that comes to you? Can a prostitute not be invited to a hotel for $100 and still get raped?


This situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I think of me ever being in this scenario and getting asked this annoying question: "Did you not go there willingly?" I ask: does my willingness to spend the night with a guy in his room cover getting raped and being dismissed so cruelly? Is that what Nigerians understand 'consent' to mean?

I won't be surprised to receive responses that goes along the lines of: "What were you expecting when you went to his hotel room?" Not rape, obviously, but Nigerians don't reason past their noses and it's becoming evident as the days go by. As far you went into a secluded spot with a guy, getting raped is on all you, no matter what.

And yet we wonder why rape victims don't say anything until years later.

First, I learnt that visiting a guy in his house means you are there for sex even when you aren't, so getting raped is your fault. Pulling my armour on, I cancelled that because apparently when guys claim not all of them are after sex from every lady they meet, that's not really true. Given the right circumstances, they can do and undo. So, a lady has to put up defences.

Now, I have come up to another thing to scratch off my to-do list while adding more armour to my defense.

Never go on a date with a guy at a hotel restaurant. Why? I'll give you a possible scenario my mind has managed to devise between last night's travesty and this morning.

Despite what it seems like, drugging someone on a date is actually quite easy. Getting them up to your room, easier. So invariably, you can't imagine how easy it is to rape them when they're inebriated/knocked out. Do you know the worst part about all of this? No one would believe a rape claim because: "She willingly went to the hotel restaurant with you!"

At the end, the question remains unanswered.

Does willingness to go to a private spot with a guy mean consent?

Sixfeetbelle:


So a prostitute can't claim rape and be believed?

Do bear in mind that some men lure prostitutes to their house or a hotel, use them/rape them and then discard them. Most don't say anything cause no one would believe them. Even if you want to argue she knew the risks involved, there's still that important fact: she was raped, payment or no payment.

Sixfeetbelle:


I don't believe women are always the victim. I know some are the villians but I don't use profession to judge any case. The difference here is that they did. Repeatedly and it's worrisome.

RisenPhoenix1:


Why do you keep coming back to the same point that I've already agreed upon a dozen times? A prostitute can absolutely be raped if she goes to meet a man in a hotel room or house. But once she does that, her accusations become suspect because it is customarily understood that she went there to ply her trade (unless she also is a part time interior designer and went to design their kitchen instead, in which case, she has a more valid excuse to be there). And of course, if she comes there to ply her real trade, and is not paid, then that is a creditor/debtor dispute and no longer rape;especially if she herself admits that there was no coercion and that her whole problem has to do with non payment.

RisenPhoenix1:


Everyone takes sides. Fortunately, establishment of guilt is not by vote, but by evidence. And the evidence here points to this belief Ng a false accusation of rape. She would do better to file for trade debt repayment instead.

Dpsychologist:

I will like i ask you a Question.

How do you explain consent?

Sixfeetbelle:


Taking sides based on a preconceived notion that the other gender is bad no matter what is a horrible way to live life.

RisenPhoenix1:


I notice you were not too averse to taking sides yourself. You need a good talking to also. Remove the beam from thine eye and all that.

Sixfeetbelle:


I'm not taking sides. I'm angry their reason for taking sides is because of her profession.

RisenPhoenix1:


Well, that is hardly surprising if you come to think of it. If I saw my mechanic turn up at my door, I would assume that my car was due for service and he wanted to take it. I wouldn't assume that he came to tutor my kids in trigonometry.

Sixfeetbelle:


But what happened to benefit of the doubt? Doesn't everyone deserve that despite their profession?

If a petty thief came online to say he was almost kidnapped by Emoney, I'd never dismiss him out rightly. The story sounds far-reaching, yes, but I still listen to him and let the accused defend himself.

Sometime ago when rape was pretty come on this forum, a guy came online to talk about how he was raped as a child by their househelp. Technically, it's child molestation but its still rape. I believed him, at least I gave him the benefit of the doubt. However, another guy on that thread told him to shut up and not say anything. Why? According to him, guys can't be raped. That right there is what dismissal looks like and I don't appreciate when people do that.

Give that mechanic the benefit of doubt. Who knows? He might actually be pretty good at trigonometry.

RisenPhoenix1:


The human brain dislikes disorder. That is why so many people compartmentalise and generalise. It is only natural. The burden of proof now lies on the outlier to present. If my mechanic showed me how skilled he is at trigonometry, I would have to believe it. In this case, this woman has failed to present any evidence to back up her claim of being an outlier. In fact, the emerging evidence points directly towards a failed sex for cash transaction. And unless consent can be withdrawn after the fact, rape cannot be said to have taken place. So I would say that the gentlemen who mock her are totally on point. You on the other hand, still refuse to accept the obvious.

Sixfeetbelle:


What is the obvious?

I worry cause I believe the way we judge rape cases in this country is why so many rapists get away with it.

Nazgul:
Any rape claim that involves a single adult female and a single adult male, needs to be properly investigated. If it's a case of more than one male adult against a single female, such claim can easily be true. Or an adult male and a female minor.

Girls these days are very terrible, and the only way they feel they can deal with a guy who outsmarted them to gain access into their coochie is to claim they were raped.

Let's even be honest here, one unarmed guy can't successfully rape a girl whose over 21 years of age

Most minors succumb to their predators due to fear, but quote me anywhere, if a mature girl closes her legs and say she's not sleeping with you, believe me no matter how hard you try, you'll never gain access into her vagina.

Sex requires cooperation from both parties. you hear words like, turn like this, keep your leg like that, bend small...etc. When one party isn't cooperating, then sex becomes impossible, would you break her legs just to penetrate her vagina? There are some positions a girl would take you can't do anything aside handling her boobs, and touching her recklessly.

Let me share a story with you, a girl chatted me on Whatsapp last month, I still have the chats sef and can provide them on request. She told me that she was raped my my friend. I asked her where the incident occurred she told me in his house, i inquired to know what she was doing in his house, it turned out that she even spent the night there.

I called my friend to hear his own side of the story, and discovered that they both had an agreement that if he sleeps with her, he'll assist her in paying her rent which had long expired, he sent me screenshots as proof.

Now after sleeping with her, guy man change gear and the girl felt used and bad, and started claiming rape. Would you call that rape, of course not.

That's why I hardly take any rape story involving two adults serious, cos proper investigation would still tell you that at one point they both consented to sex.

Nazgul:
Any rape claim that involves a single adult female and a single adult male, needs to be properly investigated. If it's a case of more than one male adult against a single female, such claim can easily be true. Or an adult male and a female minor.

Girls these days are very terrible, and the only way they feel they can deal with a guy who outsmarted them to gain access into their coochie is to claim they were raped.

Let's even be honest here, one unarmed guy can't successfully rape a girl whose over 21 years of age.

Most minors succumb to their predators due to fear, but quote me anywhere, if a mature girl closes her legs and say she's not sleeping with you, believe me no matter how hard you try, you'll never gain access into her vagina.

Sex requires cooperation from both parties. you hear words like, turn like this, keep your leg like that, bend small...etc. When one party isn't cooperating, then sex becomes impossible, would you break her legs just to penetrate her vagina? There are some positions a girl would take you can't do anything aside handling her boobs, and touching her recklessly.

Let me share a story with you, a girl chatted me on Whatsapp last month, I still have the chats sef and can provide them on request. She told me that she was raped my my friend. I asked her where the incident occurred she told me in his house, i inquired to know what she was doing in his house, it turned out that she even spent the night there.

I called my friend to hear his own side of the story, and discovered that they both had an agreement that if he sleeps with her, he'll assist her in paying her rent which had long expired, he sent me screenshots as proof.

Now after sleeping with her, guy man change gear and the girl felt used and bad, and started claiming rape. Would you call that rape, of course not.

That's why I hardly take any rape story involving two adults serious, cos proper investigation would still tell you that at one point they both consented to sex.

RisenPhoenix1:


Better that a rapist should get away with it than that an innocent man gets his life destroyed falsely. If false accusations are pandered to, false rape allegations will become a bigger business model than religion.

Sixfeetbelle:


I don't know where you heard the bold but that is a lie. Please, stop using it as a criteria to judge. Men are physically stronger than women and can get what they want through coercion. That's rape. What you described up there isn't.

Asides, you said investigation here but because "Girls are terrible", you completely wrote off that lady's story and it's worrisome. Also, using a single case that happened to judge every other case isn't right as no two cases are the same.

RisenPhoenix1:


Actually this is true. An unarmed man can never forcefully rape a full grown woman without leaving obvious injuries on her body. He can eventually overpower her, but the marks will be there for all to see. A raped woman coming out of a man's hotel room all pristine and freshly bathed did not struggle enough, if at all.

Sixfeetbelle:


I literally have no words.


It's like saying "let's sacrifice all the victims of rape in order to free a man so we don't ruin his perfect little life."

Let me tell you a little story:

Jeffrey Dahmer, a serial rapist and killer was reported to the police by a guy he had raped at his house after drugging him. However, because the guy was gay, police said they couldn't arrest Dahmer without proper evidence. Jeffrey raped and killed at least 10 guys more after that before he was finally arrested.

RisenPhoenix1:


You quoted and highlighted my exact words, yet you still managed to misrepresent them. I did not say we should sacrifice ALL the victims of rape. My exact words were 'a' rapist. And last I heard, the indefinite article 'a' refers to ONE not ALL. My statement rests on the very reasonable assumption that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The police acted properly in your cited case study,v tragic as it may subsequently seem. There can be no other way to avoid injustice against innocents. As I recall, I did profer alternative solutions to prevent or at least minimize; rape; from the source, by cautioning women against going to untrusted men's hotel rooms or homes if they did not want to have sex.

Nazgul:

Madam it's almost impossible for a guy to rape a mature girl, unless they're more than one, then the girl can easily be overpowered and subdued.

Forget the masculine nature, not every guy is physically strong enough to sustain a struggle with a mature girl amidst screams. The worse he'll do is to drive her out of his house regardless what time it is.

@bolded. Sometimes I feel you just talk for talking sake. I've heard countless cases of false rape claims.

Neymar the footballer had a similar case, the girl calmed rape and he uploaded chats and the case died off.

Fatoyibo the pastor was accused of rape, so many girls appeared from the blue to tarnish his image...where are them today?

Pastor suleman and otobo case, a good number of girls also sprung up to claim he raped them as well...where are them today?

And many more cases I won't mention cos there won't be enough space for them.

No one takes any rape claim of an adult female and an adult male serious anymore cos you ladies are very manipulative and can go any length to get back at a man for using you.

How can you come out from a hotel and say you were raped, what were you doing there in the first place?

How can you spend the night at a guy's place and claim rape...what were you doing in his house?