jneutron4000:
So when the people say there are not interested in your civilisation won't you leave them alone? Na by force? In the North, it is mostly the Igbos your will find there despite the fact that they have messed you up on several occasions from 1960 till date, yet you r mass migrating to that place, they it obvious it is not civilisation rather you lack human capital to stay in your place and develop that's why you seek opportunities elsewhere.

Na by force oh.

Go and read history. More than 300,000 thousands Romans perished in their quest to civilize barbarians like Britain and Germania.

So a few numbers dying before won't stop us from doing God's work.

Everybody in this life is created for a reason and if ours is to civilize you people then so be it

oyatz:


Achebe wrote just like an ethnic supremacist not like an academic. There were no known acceptable research works referenced in this book to back up his claims.

That's what he is and that's what most Igbos are. I have always said ethnic hatred and jingoism is the 'leveller' for all Igbos.

Ethnic hate of others is the one thing that turns all Igbos, from the finest PHD holder to the illiterate village vulcanizer, into unreasonable, irrational and incoherent cavemen.

efficiencie:
If the Igbos were indeed characterised by the features mentioned above they would have broken out of Nigeria by now! But their communities are still plagued by poverty, infrastructural deficit and dependence on statutory allocation...this piece is just another sycophantic expression that buoys the Ndigbos above reality.

It's interesting to note that Achebe was a major stakeholder in the Biafran Propaganda Unit

candidtalk:



Lol. When Igbos are indicted of wrongdoing it is always false. Yet you same hypocritical Igbos go around making unfounded and preposterous allegations against others.

You guys are beyond redemption. Playing victim up and down yet you are the ethnic group most at fault for the biggest tragedies of Nigeria starting from when Azikiwe treacherously colluded with the North to frustrate Awolowo's effort to have a secession clause inserted in our constitution.

Had that happened so much bloodshed would have been avoided. Till today you jokers are unrepentant and even deliberately go around like the aggrieved party whereas you are the worst intentional wrongdoers throughout the history of Nigeria. You are all clowns.

you are not being truthful to yourself and how you lot really feal about the igbo

why is the igbo always blamed for being responsible for something wasn't single handedly done by them

ok let's agree the igbo did what you claimed they did, but way blame only the igbos if you claimed the teamed up with northerners? are northerners untouchable? why do you all fear the North that much?

the Yorubas have being in the position to make a change in this country just like the igbos did, what exactly did the Yorubas do? are the igbos more powerful than the Yorubas? why didn't they do the same? the only thing Yorubas did well was awolowo advising Gowon to starve Biafran children, and Obasanjo and Benjamin Adekunle fighting over Mendels on whom amongst them killed igbos more amongst them

or are you telling me the Yorubas were only doing sidon dey look when igbos were changing things?

Bkayyy:

Story, as if Aba is not more developed than the entire SW minus some parts of Lagos that are named after fruits.

Please when you lie, don't try to be obvious.
I won't ask you have you visited anambra and Enugu because the parts you mentioned are more developed than all the SW states and their capitals. This shows that you are lying. You just mentioned names expecting ignorant people to believe you.

Show me one SW city dead or alive that can come close to the city below. And the city below was part of your lies.

Mr Audio Traveler

Mehn commonsense should be available to you na...If the East had it all we won't be hearing your rants of: "Biafra or death"! If the Aba is more developed that all SW put together except some places in Lagos, you won't find a single Ndigbo in the much hated Yoruba and Hausa lands. How is your Ariaria Market? Have they fixed the roads there? Particularly the entry point from Osisioma? Na just ask I dey ask ohhh! Sense is not for the dense sha!

efficiencie:


Mehn commonsense should be available to you na...If the East had it all we won't be hearing your rants of: "Biafra or death"! If the Aba is more developed that all SW put together except some places in Lagos, you won't find a single Ndigbo in the much hated Yoruba and Hausa lands. How is your Ariaria Market? Have they fixed the roads there? Particularly the entry point from Osisioma? Na just ask I dey ask ohhh! Sense is not for the dense sha!

Biafra/Alaigbo is meant to be a base for our Emissaries to troop out for their civilization quest in Yoruba land and beyond. Nothing much.

Dont be scared it won't make the current civilisers you already have to go home. They will continue with their honorable job of civilising you people

efficiencie:


He won the Gordon Bell prize in super computing (considered to be the Nobel prize of super computing just as the Fields medal is for Mathematics)!

Philip Emeagwali won the Gordon Bell Prize, not the Nobel Prize. It's only "considered to be" by some people. You should simply have said Emeagwali won the Gordon Bell Prize and save us the confusion. You think Igbos, who have always been butthurt that Soyinka is a Nobel Prize winner and not Achebe, wouldn't have been endlessly disturbing the whole world with their typical delusions of grandeur that an Igbo man has also won the Nobel Prize?

jimyjames:


the national resentment of the igbo, is the reason the igbo are trapped in Nigeria and suffering all these you mentioned

Let us assumed that truly, all these Infrastructural deficiencies, under development and indeed all the problems of Igboland are caused by Nigeria , but the Igbos which have great numbers and superior traits as claimed by Achebe ought to have use the two factors to over this traps by Nigeria.

oyatz:


Please read about issues thoroughly before posting them.

Philip Emegwali won the first runner-up (2nd position) of the Gordon Bell prize of #1000 which has nothing similar to or equivalent to the Nobel Prize.

Lol! The point is that man is a prominent academic, researcher and scholar. What has been his contribution to the East? That is the question I am asking.

candidtalk:


You seriously think, when push comes to shove, SS folks will agree to join Igbos in Biafra?

They will reject Biafra flatly because you Igbos are unstable, domineering, intolerant and innately unfair people who will try to subjugate others.

Nigerians are seeing through you lot you know. Don't get it twisted. Wike's denial and rejection of Igbos will be child's play when Biafra is declared lol. Most Igbos in Lagos, SW and North will even refuse to be Biafrans let alone SS folks.

I repeat stop talking on behalf of millions , everyone has the right to decide wike made his choice others have their own choices , even in South East some people reject Biafra it's not new the majority are always right

Bkayyy:

Ndigbo are not lacking any development that can be provided by individuals. The only thing that is lacking is federal government presence.
If not for the fine on touching federal roads an individual would have done the Onitsha-Enugu expressway.
Don't you know that the essence of business is providing what a society lacks to get profit. Anything lacking in East are being provided by individuals including construction of state government roads eg in Ịchị, Ozubulu and Uli of Anambra state.

There are no municipal pipe borne water in many towns and villages in the S/east.

There are haphazard development in Onitsha with poor regards to urban and regional planning.

How are these faults of the FG?

Each State is saddled with enormous powers to develop their areas.

efficiencie:


Lol! The point is that man is a prominent academic, researcher and scholar. What has been his contribution to the East? That is the question I am asking.

Preserving our culture and ordeals in the best safe ever (Books).

Achebe bụ nnukwu mmanwu

oyatz:


Let us assumed that truly, all these Infrastructural deficiencies, under development and indeed all the problems of Igboland are caused by Nigeria , but the Igbos which have great numbers and superior traits as claimed by Achebe ought to have use the two factors to over this traps by Nigeria.

Nigeria it self is under developed a third world country Poverty capital of the world, coming from a region that was completely destroyed by civil war with its people left empty handed, there is not much difference from our once destroyed region and the rest of the other region which remained untouched by the war but still suffering from the basic needs we suffer

no region will make it to this individualistic achievement of ours if the passed through same thing

oyatz:


There are no municipal pipe borne water in many towns and villages in the S/east.

There are haphazard development in Onitsha with poor regards to urban and regional planning.

How are these faults of the FG?

Each State is saddled with enormous powers to develop their areas.

Who needs a communal or which ever way you put it pipe borne water when he has bore hole in his house?

It is funny when people living in mud house with brown call storey buildings name. If we don't do town planning how then does the occupants drive into their house? Do they carry their cars on their heads and jump fences?

The only thing we need from the federal government is to do their own federal roads or give the permit for individuals and state government to do it shikena

Bkayyy:

Biafra/Alaigbo is meant to be a base for our Emissaries to troop out for their civilization quest in Yoruba land and beyond. Nothing much.

Dont be scared it won't make the current civilisers you already have to go home. They will continue with their honorable job of civilising you people

Lol, civilising? Lol. So Nnamdi Kanu has been civilising others as a fugitive. Mehn na wa ohhh. I hail una reasoning. Small time una wan secede. Next thing una dey civilise the people wey una wan secede from. Na which wan una dey sef. When ice water GEJ was in power una no secede na when dictator Buhari dey na when una wan secede.

jimyjames:

you are wrong, we believe in individualism, we believe in capitalism, we believe in competitiveness on a equal fair ground for everyone to excel according to their own strength, we don't Lord ourselves on anyone and in the same manner refused to Be Lord over by anyone, so what control are you talking about?

Different parts of Nigeria have different group behaviours, idiosyncrasies, cultures, world views and areas of strength as well as areas of weakness.

However, this thread's attempt to propagate that Igbos are superior to other Nigerians is very wrong.

jimyjames:

my friend stop talking nonsense, the coalition between ziks NCNC and NPC never happened

It is happened, and it is facing right in the face, AG offered Zik the offer to form a Coalition with him, but zil.accepted the hands of the North

efficiencie:


Lol, civilising? Lol. So Nnamdi Kanu has been civilising others as a fugitive. Mehn na wa ohhh. I hail una reasoning. Small time una wan secede. Next thing una dey civilise the people wey una wan secede from. Na which wan una dey sef. When ice water GEJ was in power una no secede na when dictator Buhari dey na when una wan secede.

Don't bring Europeans into this. I'm talking about you people.

Since we provide almost all modern amenities you need and correct your primitive before especially in Lagos. Primitive behaviors like open defecation and dangers of peppery food. What are we doing?

jimyjames:

Awolowo was a bigot, he started this clannish tribalism in Nigeria and the northerners followed, zik believed in Unity he never saw himself different from a Yoruba man or northerner , he spoke Hausa and Yoruba more than his own igbo language, politically he was more qualified than awolowo and he won a free and fair election in the South West defeating awolowo, then awolowo played the tribal card to turn the Yoruba whom so much loved zik against him, awolowo started all this resentment of the igbos that became national

Stop this your silly propanganda and outright falsehoods.

1) Which election did Azikiwe contest against Awolowo, let alone defeat him in Western Region?

2) Name the year this election was conducted.

Bkayyy:

Don't bring Europeans into this. I'm talking about you people.

Since we provide almost all modern amenities you need and correct your primitive before especially in Lagos. Primitive behaviors like open defecation and dangers of peppery food. What are we doing?

Bro please keep civilising us ehn. Please don't stop. And also please keep maintaining the tempo of secession...if you all are not smart enough to see how foolish it is to pursue both lines of action at the same time then by all means please continue...we need your civilisation. Continue civilising us and when you are done please secede and return to Biafra leaving your wealth behind. Imagine reasoning.

jimyjames:


My friend you were not there when these officers were plotting that coup, so you can't tell me what their agenda was, and i believe they the plotters themselves said and they said it was never an igbo dominant agenda and that's final.

Awolowo who formed his action group party mainly on what he claimed to put Yoruba first should have been voted overwhelmingly by his Yoruba brothers right? They voted zik cause the loved him, right from the moment zik returned to Africa, he was outspoken and fought the colonial masters through his own personal newspaper that dominanted west and central Africa at that time, he had a lot of prestige among west and center African people



Internet propaganda is all it is, Biafra is well supported in the South South and only referendum can settle it, not some faceless social media fakers

Mr man, i am not one gullible fellow, that will believe anything he is told, i do my research, you your self was not there, you don't know what they were thinking. They said, they said, but there action were different, they killed with partiality, but they wanted to make Nigeria, killing people in the North and West, but sparing the people of the east, so that they can take Control of Nigeria. Even if Nzeougwu, come back to earth, with Jesus beside him, so as to prevent him fro lieing to say that it was , a coup, to put Igbos at the helms of affairs of Nigeria, you Guys will still say he is Lying, and find a way to tackle him.

Zik owned a News paper that spoke about the ills of colonialism so what, even Awo owned a News paper. Little did you know, that it was Awos party that, raised the motion for independence.

When opinions became unanimous that Lord Luggard and his government must be forced out of Nigeria and indeed the whole of Africa, it was still the Igbos that frustrated the attempts. Here is how:
In 1948, Anthony Enahoro organized an anti-colonization symposium in Lagos for which Azikiwe and some other Igbos had agreed to deliver the keynote address. But when the D-day came, Azikiwe was nowhere to be found as he deliberately disappeared into thin air for fear of being arrested and dealt with by Lord Luggard. Anthony Enahoro then quickly replaced Azikiwe with another person who did the job improptu but perfectly well as he lambasted and lampooned Lord Luggard and the British Government. However, the British soldiers invaded the symposium venue, arrested the speaker and Enahoro and jailed them for treasonable felony. Ironically, the next day Azikiwe came out of hiding and granted a radio interview in which he accused Enahoro and the other organizers of suffering from youthful exhuberance.
On regaining his freedom few weeks later and being told of Azikiwe's radio interview, Enahoro resigned from his post as Editor of Azikiwe's newspaper - The West African Pilot.
Then he wrote a book titled "Nnamdi Azikiwe: Sinner of Saint". After launching the book, Enahoro left Azikiwe's party - the NCNC, and moved over to Awolowo's Action Group.

You callWike and the whole of ikwere people denying being Igbo Internet propaganda, you people and your force Attache issue, even Akwa Ibom people distinguishes them self from Igbo, not to talk trying to call Benin man an Igbo man, he will just kill you.
Yoruba don't love zik, Mr man, NCNC wining Some Yorubas vote is Understandable. Firstly it is a party that was created by Olayinka Herbert Samuel Heelas Badmus Macaulay, A Yoruba Man,

Secondly the party Consisted of Yoruba Members, who had stonghold in Yoruba Land.

Bkayyy:

Story, as if Aba is not more developed than the entire SW minus some parts of Lagos that are named after fruits.

Please when you lie, don't try to be obvious.
I won't ask you have you visited anambra and Enugu because the parts you mentioned are more developed than all the SW states and their capitals. This shows that you are lying. You just mentioned names expecting ignorant people to believe you.

Show me one SW city dead or alive that can come close to the city below. And the city below was part of your lies.

Mr Audio Traveler

Not everybody on Nairaland is a semi-educated trader.


There are acceptable methods of comparing developments of States/Countries. Showing pictures of GRA/carefully selected streets in a city is not one of them.


Compare and contrast the Human Development Indices (HDI) as conducted by the UNDP and the GDP of these States.
This is how the World Bank or United Nations compare developments.

jimyjames:


not having enough strength to fight your enemy is not foolishness, it simply means we lack the strength cause we are just one ethnic group against the entire different ethnic groups in Nigeria which completely outnumber us, but we as still fighting in the best way we can for now that's why we have groups like ipob

This victim mentality is really affecting this younger generation of Igbos.
So all other ethnic groups in Nigeria (over 200 groups) are against only the Igbo group?

Bkayyy:

Who needs a communal or which ever way you put it pipe borne water when he has bore hole in his house?

It is funny when people living in mud house with brown call storey buildings name. If we don't do town planning how then does the occupants drive into their house? Do they carry their cars on their heads and jump fences?

The only thing we need from the federal government is to do their own federal roads or give the permit for individuals and state government to do it shikena

For you to assume that individual houses digging bore holes is a superior to municipal pipe borne water system show that you know nothing about 'Housing, Urban and Regional Planning'


Bore holes only became popular in Nigeria due to breakdown of municipal pipe borne water system in the early 1990s.


So mere driving cars into your homes simply means adequate urban planning system?

There is no points arguing further with you.

jneutron4000:
Have you forgetten the coup? Are you aware your Igbo brother Aguiyi Ironsi introduced this Unitary so that Igbos can control all other regions.

This is fact that most igbos tend to conveniently deny. The reason Azikiwe and in extension Ironsi favoured unitary government was because of the seemingly possibility of the igbos controlling the Hausa/Fulani whom they thought are docile and won’t cause them much worries like the sophisticated and well exposed Yorubas.

Early education and exposure has placed the Yorubas well ahead of igbos and this caused a lot of worries for them, they feared the Yorubas who are naturally ahead might dominate if the regions continue to be self governed. The free education policy for example of awolowo has shown the direction and back then formal education was seen as the bedrock of national development. Although the igbos also later gave much attention to formal western education, they couldn’t match the Yoruba leadership and instead they start some sort of propaganda that has been unfortunately passed down through generations with a “Yorubas hate Igbo” theme.

Bkayyy:

Story, as if Aba is not more developed than the entire SW minus some parts of Lagos that are named after fruits.

Please when you lie, don't try to be obvious.
I won't ask you have you visited anambra and Enugu because the parts you mentioned are more developed than all the SW states and their capitals. This shows that you are lying. You just mentioned names expecting ignorant people to believe you.

Show me one SW city dead or alive that can come close to the city below. And the city below was part of your lies.

Mr Audio Traveler

That neighborhood you posted looks like remains of atomic bomb attack... More like war thorn Damascus... Is this the best part of Aba?

How do you call a town/city that doesn't have a university, Airport, Mall, pubs, the worst road network in the country, no trains etcetera developed?
The dirtiest city in the country.
Aba is an emblematic of a failed society.
Development means growth, now I want you to judge if Aba is worthy to be called a developed city.... Hahaha


Interesting.

Mr Bkayyy , are these decayed buildings something to brag about?




Gosh!!!!

candidtalk:


You seriously think, when push comes to shove, SS folks will agree to join Igbos in Biafra?

They will reject Biafra flatly because you Igbos are unstable, domineering, intolerant and innately unfair people who will try to subjugate others.

Nigerians are seeing through you lot you know. Don't get it twisted. Wike's denial and rejection of Igbos will be child's play when Biafra is declared lol. Most Igbos in Lagos, SW and North will even refuse to be Biafrans let alone SS folks.

I don’t know why igbos always fail to talk about their own excesses and weaknesses like for example the execution of Victor Banjo

oyatz:


Not everybody on Nairaland is a semi-educated trader.


There are acceptable methods of comparing developments of States/Countries. Showing pictures of GRA/carefully selected streets in a city is not one of them.


Compare and contrast the Human Development Indices (HDI) as conducted by the UNDP and the GDP of these States.
This is how the World Bank or United Nations compare developments.

Sir look at this picture he posted , in just 10seconds.

You can zoom it....

Sadly this is what they call "development" in igboland.

jimyjames:


you are not being truthful to yourself and how you lot really feal about the igbo

why is the igbo always blamed for being responsible for something wasn't single handedly done by them

ok let's agree the igbo did what you claimed they did, but way blame only the igbos if you claimed the teamed up with northerners? are northerners untouchable? why do you all fear the North that much?

the Yorubas have being in the position to make a change in this country just like the igbos did, what exactly did the Yorubas do? are the igbos more powerful than the Yorubas? why didn't they do the same? the only thing Yorubas did well was awolowo advising Gowon to starve Biafran children, and Obasanjo and Benjamin Adekunle fighting over Mendels on whom amongst them killed igbos more amongst them

or are you telling me the Yorubas were only doing sidon dey look when igbos were changing things?

You keep on shooting yourself in the foot. Was there any agreement between Yorubas and igbos for support? What were you expecting the Yorubas to do? Or are you not aware that it was Zik that blocked Awo from including secession clause in Nigeria’s constitution? Or didn’t even Zik later withdrew support for Biafra, after claiming Ojukwu didn’t consult him? If the igbos couldn’t even unite and support themselves, was it the Yoruba you blame for such failure?

The Yorubas especially Awo was not fully satisfied by the entraption called Nigeria and was magnanimous enough to suggest a possible clause for secession but igbos see this as tribalistic and now they’re lamenting over something that a clause would have granted them easily. This proves that Awo was visionary enough to foresee that the entraption was bound for failure from the onset.

jimyjames:


Nigeria it self is under developed a third world country Poverty capital of the world, coming from a region that was completely destroyed by civil war with its people left empty handed, there is not much difference from our once destroyed region and the rest of the other region which remained untouched by the war but still suffering from the basic needs we suffer

no region will make it to this individualistic achievement of ours if the passed through same thing

This your submission again confirms your biased opinion. Before the civil war or even precolonial nigeria, can you sincerely compare development between the Yoruba nation and the Igbo nation?

What makes you think that any other tribe wouldn’t have achieved even better of faces with similar challenges? Why do you guys always claim something that can’t be proven and want people(other tribes) to accept such claims but when these other tribes makes claim as such you infer hatred as the basis of such claims?

Bkayyy:


Na by force oh.

Go and read history. More than 300,000 thousands Romans perished in their quest to civilize barbarians like Britain and Germania.

So a few numbers dying before won't stop us from doing God's work.

Everybody in this life is created for a reason and if ours is to civilize you people then so be it

Na Scorpion Go scatter your Nyanmirirated Flat head. Just like he did your fore fathers.