Brendaniel:


Regardless of the message you are trying to pass across just make sure you don't end up misleading people, because you will be held accountable if your message leads people to destruction...

Nuttella:
If you masturbate you will go to hell so stop it.

Mywd:


The bible i read doesnt say that.... God cannot make u do sometin that will kill u man!!..... This is 2021 man! Make ur ways right

Toks2008:


How is this misleading?

I really want to learn.

Is drinking alcohol a sin?
Is smoking a sin?
Is gambling a sin?
Is self servicing a sin?

I can go on and on to list man made sins that pastors are preaching about and misleading people.

Drunkeness is a sin and not alcohol intake.

Smoking destroys your organs but it is a bad habit and bad habits are never equal to clear sins...

How is gambling a sin?

Its high time we put all these heretic preachings in check and allow people to find salvation in peace.

Toks2008:

Where in the bible was anyone condemned to hell for smoking?

Even the woman caught in the act of adultery was liberated by Jesus.

Toks2008:
About two weeks ago, I saw a man preaching in public and he was practically pointing at smokers telling them that they will end up in hell if they don't quit smoking and I was so dumbfounded and I began to wonder...who gave him the right to judge people and condemn them because they smoke? and come to think of it, when does the habit of smoking translate to an act of sin?

It is very disheartening that the devil has used heretic teachings by ''Pastors'' who are meant to lead people to heaven to instead send many to hell and even as I write this, many souls are trooping to HELL in their millions, not because of any other reason but because of the harsh false teachings of many Preachers who have given their own definition of sins rather than teach the real truth from the scriptures, they have defined an act that seems UNPLEASANT to them as a sin even when the bible at no point made clear reference to such acts as sins.

One of such heretic teaching is equating bad habits to sin...In life, habits are neither good nor bad, but where a habit moves toward, by a specific impulse or desire is where it begins to be defined as a virtue or a vice.

Do you know that many pastors preach that anyone who drinks alcohol, smokes(Weed, Cigarette, shisha....), gambles, masturbates, uses pieces of jewelry, indulge in polygamy, does cosmetic surgery of any type, uses makeup, has body art, piercings and on and on WILL NEVER MAKE HEAVEN?

Can we just close our eyes and imagine for a minute how unbelievable it is to even think that billions of people indulging in the aforementioned will go straight to hell if they die struggling with those habits.

WHAT IS THE POINT?

We have clear sins as made known by the scriptures and we have bad habits which are not sins and can never prevent us from making heaven. Bad habits could damage us totally like drinking alcohol which even in small quantity can damage our organs, smoking weed, shisha, a cigarette can damage our organs and cut our lives short, masturbation is very addictive and could affect productivity and gambling can destroy us financially... but that still does not make them sins and anyone indulging in any of these should never at any time condemn him or herself to hell but should call on the Holy Spirit to help and trust GOD because when the holy spirit comes into your life, every bad habit or sinful habit will be a thing of the past BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T TRULY SEEK THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. You can't have the holy spirit in you and still enjoy or crave for sins...that is the difference between a truly born again individual and one who is taking GOD's grace for granted.

Jesus said in the book of John 6;37 '' All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.'' Jesus will never drive you away or condemn you because you struggle with any crazy habit or even sins. The scriptures encourage us in the book of Philippians 2:12 '' Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

Salvation is a work in progress, a continuum, some attain maturity faster than others but nobody can be more born again that a born again neither can we be more human than another human, we only grow in maturity and that is what GOD wants us to do, to strive to be better and better and never allow any bad habit or sin make us give up and condemn ourselves to hell.

This is not a message of convenience but a message of hope, and liberation and i hope this ministers to someone.

Toks2008:


Then billions of people are doomed for hell.

Can you bring out where the bible calls it a sin?


If you can't then you are going straight to hell and I can give you a scripture to prove my point.

2 Peter 2:1 

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Righteousness2:
We Love to Pamper sin and hear what will gratify our evil habits.

The Grace of GOD is not license to sin neither is it a Cover for Sin.
Romans 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The Grace of God is what keeps us from sinning not a license to sin.

Let no one Deceive Himself/Herself Sin is the transgression of the Commandments of GOD.
All unrighteousness is Sin. There is no small sin or big sin. There is no white sin or black sin.

Today many Preachers do not even tell their congregation what sin is. Which has led many people astray and put them in the path of Hell

1Cor 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Heaven is a Prepared Place for Prepared people..
Heaven is a Place filled with Forgiven sinners.

Eternity is not a Joke! Don't let anyone Deceive you with soft Gospel that allows you to do as you want in the name of being saved.

1John 3:8-9
A Christian is not a Sinner and a Sinner is not a Christian.

It is Better to Hear the Hard bitter truth, Receive it , Pratice it and Make Heaven than for you to be Pampered with what gratifies your evil lifestyle only for you to open your Eyes in Hell!

Wake up Folks! Nobody enters Heaven by Luck!
You Can't Enter Eternal life on your terms
It Must be on God's terms. And his term is in his word

Toks2008:
About two weeks ago, I saw a man preaching in public and he was practically pointing at smokers telling them that they will end up in hell if they don't quit smoking and I was so dumbfounded and I began to wonder...who gave him the right to judge people and condemn them because they smoke? and come to think of it, when does the habit of smoking translate to an act of sin?

It is very disheartening that the devil has used heretic teachings by ''Pastors'' who are meant to lead people to heaven to instead send many to hell and even as I write this, many souls are trooping to HELL in their millions, not because of any other reason but because of the harsh false teachings of many Preachers who have given their own definition of sins rather than teach the real truth from the scriptures, they have defined an act that seems UNPLEASANT to them as a sin even when the bible at no point made clear reference to such acts as sins.

One of such heretic teaching is equating bad habits to sin...In life, habits are neither good nor bad, but where a habit moves toward, by a specific impulse or desire is where it begins to be defined as a virtue or a vice.

Do you know that many pastors preach that anyone who drinks alcohol, smokes(Weed, Cigarette, shisha....), gambles, masturbates, uses pieces of jewelry, indulge in polygamy, does cosmetic surgery of any type, uses makeup, has body art, piercings and on and on WILL NEVER MAKE HEAVEN?

Myer:


Does a new convert overcome all his sinful habits immediately the day he converts? Clearly No. It takes time.
You too have sins that easily beset you which you're struggling with.

That's what OP's point it.

Righteousness2:

Quit Consoling yourself!
When you sin you seek for Forgiveness..
Don't pamper your sin! It will sink you.

Be Concious of your salvation. If you notice a fall you ask for Forgiveness

pman06:


I concur with every words you've posted on this thread.

No be sin no be sin, na him go make person open eye for hell fire wen e happen.

jamesjohn2010:
A timely message. But it isn't a ticket to indulge in bad habits.

Ask God for help sincerely to break bad habits, it works. Many pastors, including overseers, no longer preach the word of salvation. They preach only 7 formula to get wealth. You will get the wealth and wallow in fire.

Nuttella:
Masturbation is a sin against your body which is the temple of the holy spirit. Why should you pleasurize yourself and touch yourself sexually?

Continue telling yourself that masturbation is not a sin.

Toks2008:


How is this misleading?

I really want to learn.

Is drinking alcohol a sin?
Is smoking a sin?
Is gambling a sin?
Is self servicing a sin?

I can go on and on to list man made sins that pastors are preaching about and misleading people.

Drunkeness is a sin and not alcohol intake.

Smoking destroys your organs but it is a bad habit and bad habits are never equal to clear sins...

How is gambling a sin?

Its high time we put all these heretic preachings in check and allow people to find salvation in peace.

Nuttella:
Masturbation is a sin against your body which is the temple of the holy spirit. Why should you pleasurize yourself and touch yourself sexually?

Continue telling yourself that masturbation is not a sin.

Myer:

9
Does a new convert overcome all his sinful habits immediately the day he converts? Clearly No. It takes time.
You too have sins that easily beset you which you're struggling with.

That's what OP's point it.

Toks2008:

Do you know that many pastors preach that anyone who drinks alcohol, smokes(Weed, Cigarette, shisha....), gambles, masturbates, uses pieces of jewelry, indulge in polygamy, does cosmetic surgery of any type, uses makeup, has body art, piercings and on and on WILL NEVER MAKE HEAVEN?

Can we just close our eyes and imagine for a minute how unbelievable it is to even think that billions of people indulging in the aforementioned will go straight to hell if they die struggling with those habits.

[[/b]

Brendaniel:


But you know these things you listed can still lead people to hell, some people will go to hell for getting married and some people will go to hell for not getting married, the truth is whatever you are doing, your intentions matter a lot, the limitation of investigations and judgements here on earth are based on fact findings and evidence, but when you are dealing with God, He searches from the deepest parts of your intents to start your judgement, Matthew 5:28 But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart, Matthew 5:22,39 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment, like I said earlier God's judgement starts from the intent of the heart, that's why I tell people that there are soldiers who will die in battle front and still go to heaven, why? Because of the intents of their heart while at war(though as Christians).

As a Christian your intention should be to stop any bad act or habit, even if it is an addiction, what God wants is a willing heart, God knows everyone's weaknesses, Anything you do that leads you to sin you should have the intention of stopping it, even eating food can become a sin once it is done too much, all the things you listed have one major problem that comes with them... ADDICTION, it is better to avoid them if you can because addiction is very hard to control, and If you are already in it, it is better you try stop them because of the addiction that comes with it.

So ask yourself a question, If you had a son that was into all the things you listed above would you be happy about it?

Baba1010:





Matters of the heart, as with all spiritual things. What leads on you to masturbation? You don't just flip the switch and say I want to masturbate, the actual act is physical manifestation of what had already been concluded in your heart. So the lust already set in, you've pondered on the lust and you've agreed the only way to achieve this is via masturbation. Now that's sin, mate; not to even talk about the sin against your body. Saying this isn't sin is itself heretic.

We all need to rely on the holy spirit for strength to overcome this habits.

Righteousness2:
We Love to Pamper sin and hear what will gratify our evil habits.

Sin is evil
Sin will Hinder you here on Earth
Sin will Guarantee you Hell

The Grace of GOD is not a license to sin neither is it a Cover for Sin.
Romans 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The Grace of God is what keeps us from sinning not a license to sin.

Let no one Deceive Himself/Herself Sin is the transgression of the Commandments of GOD.
All unrighteousness is Sin. There is no small sin or big sin. There is no white sin or black sin.

Today many Preachers in the Name of modernized or Modify Christianity do not even tell their congregation what sin is. What you hear is if U want to give your life to JESUS stand up or raise ur hand. The people stand up and when they go back they continue in Immorality, evil, iniquities, Which has led many people astray and put them in the path of Hell

1Cor 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Heaven is a Prepared Place for Prepared people..
Heaven is a Place filled with Forgiven sinners.

Eternity is not a Joke! Don't let anyone Deceive you with soft Gospel that allows you to do as you want in the name of being saved.

1John 3:8-9
A Christian is not a Sinner and a Sinner is not a Christian.

It is Better to Hear the Hard bitter truth, Receive it , Pratice it and Make Heaven than for you to be Pampered with what gratifies your evil lifestyle only for you to open your Eyes in Hell!

Wake up Folks! Nobody enters Heaven by Luck!
You Can't Enter Eternal life on your terms
It Must be on God's terms. And his term is in his word

Maobichek:
. Good morning, God bless you. I don't judge people because I was once an unbeliever but soft messages to soothe the heart and ear of those who enjoys sin is the reason why many are in the Church but comfortably commits sin without remorse (their conscience are dead). Let us look at drunkenness which he said that is not a sin despite that the Bible pointed it out. When I was an unbeliever, I drink and I know that alcohol has a spirit, I gave my life to Christ and the Holy took over. The truth remains that the Holy Spirit and the spirit behind alcohol can't stay together at the same time in my heart. The Holy Spirit who is my teacher always instructs me on things to do per time and if I ever indulge in drinking alcohol, the Holy Spirit will leave cos He is a gentle Spirit and can't strive with any other spirit. To the Toks2008, pls read Romans 6: 1-10 , thank you.

Toks2008:


Thanks for your insight.

I. Have learnt to ignore all these holier than though hypocrites who wallow in sins everyday yet come online to write like saints.

They give their myopic definition of sins that the Bible never at any point called a sin.

They are the real satanic agents leading many to hell by presenting salvation as a very difficult phenomenon.

Maobichek:
Good morning, this is not a fight OK, I believe that you want to pass a message to help ppl but you are turning it to a fight via your comment. Bad habits are sin because we always pray to be librated from them. Bear in mind that no one is perfect but Romans 6:1 said that we should not continue in sin that grace may abound, it continued by saying : God forbid... I don't judge people and it's not good to judge people but you mentioned alcohol, 1st Cor 6:10 says that drunkered will go to hell, you gave example with the woman caught in adultery, if I indulged in adultery and repented genuinely, I will be forgiven but if I continue in it calling it a bad habit , 1st Cor 6:9 confirmed that I will go to hell. Salvation is a message of love from God through Christ (John 3:16) but we should not continue in sin after we have known the truth, thank you.

Toks2008:


@Embolden are you sure you know what you are writing or how can you boldly write such? Dem do una with this appalling attitude of writing what comes to your heads rather than what you read.

This is a new year and you guys should stop this annoying thing. And yes as i wrote, everyone has a terrible habit that is an impediment in their lives. Yours is alcohol and the Holy spirit has dealt with it for you Halleluiah..Me i dont even drink alcohol at all. Maybe mine may be eating too much but the spirit is also there to help. That is the message in my write up so you guys should learn to read, comprehend before rushing to post incoherent notions.

Toks2008:



You are so so ridiculously naive and you dont even waste time to showcase your ignorance to the whole world.

How does it become a sin to have sexual thoughts as a sexually active human created by GOD with sexual feelings? Just look at how you have boxed yourself into self imposed bondage.

Only a fool tries to pray away sexual urge. You either master it by having self control and if you cant control it then freaking please yourself sexually if you must as long as you don't fornicate...if you want to touch yourself to ease off then go ahead and express your sexuality.

The problem is with the addictive nature of self servicing which is the big problem and just like every other act that we can get addicted to, self servicing is one of them.

How is is a crime if a married man or woman self service by thinking about their spouse or hos is it a sin if a single person thinks about sex and then pleases his or herself? Cant you see how foolish many people have become trying to fight a lost battle?

It is when you use visual aids like pornography to self service that you have crossed the line cos viewing porn makes you lust after the actors which is a sin cos you look lustfully but thinking about sex is a different thing...it is natural just like thinking about food or having the urge to use the bathroom.

MAY GOD deliver many people from self imposed bondage. Ignorant people everywhere.

Self servicing is not, can never and was never mentioned as a sin so lets leave it that way and not rewrite the scriptures which is a terrible sin on its own....It is a habit like any other which can become addictive and once an individual starts self servicing abnormally or excessively then it has become a big problem that needs to be addressed and that is where the Holy spirit comes in as i wrote in the piece but it remains a habit and not a sin.

Nuttella:
See how you are roaring up and down on this thread trying to justify your sins, you just dont want to learn, very unteachable spirit. God help you and deliver you cause you dont know what you are doing. How can someone open their mouth and say masturbation is not a sin, even when I wasn't a born again, I knew deep down within me that it is a sin, watching porn too is sin. Stop trying to pet your sins, it won't change it from being a sin, you claim masturbation is not a sin yet every year people add it to their new year resolution as something they are struggling to stop, masturbation is sponsored by a sexual demon which is why its difficult to stop save by the grace of Yahweh, if I should go back to masturbation, I tell you with everything within me, I won't be connected to God again and spiritual level will go back to zero, even the Lord has warned me to avoid such sexual sin. Masturbation is one sin that has been holding many youth and people down and stopping tnem from being close to God, go and read that thread on "what that sin that prevent you from coming to Christ" by Jesusjnr2020, check the thread and you will see people struggling with the sin of masturbation.

Stop masturbation and stop misleading people on this thread.

Hosea 4:1 My people perish for lack of knowledge.