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Tcwork:
Thanks brother, but like I stated you guys are unique in that you are opposed to war.
And the great day promised in Isaiah and Micah is not yet at hand.
I remain grateful to the great nations who fought and defeated Adolf Hitler.
I support the nigerian army fighting terror in the north east.
So, I may not be totally blown away by an organization opposed to defending it's nation.
But then that is a topic for another day.
Again you make brilliant contributions. Thanks

@ Tcwork which is more tasking?

A. Going to war to kill people.

B. Using the death dealing tongue to kill.

Is there any difference between the TWO?

Jehovah’s Witnesses did not serve in the army, the reason being that they did not want to kill. They see the MILITARY as WAR MACHINES.

Its not as if JWs never go to war before . last last it is AUTOMATIC DISASSOCIATION or disfellowshipping from the ORGANIZATION. Remove that policy and see what happens?

Tcwork:
I understand your point but I think you are not understanding my questions. First some Churches not just JW have fought discrimination. More than a dozen churches gave refuge during the Rwandan crisis.
These good acts of kindness are widespread. I am not sure you have been able to mention that act of good that is specific to JW. Tell me something that I wouldn't find in almost every Christian organization

E get as e be ooo to the bolded. I think someone asked this same question some month ago too.

Tcwork:
Thanks brother, but like I stated you guys are unique in that you are opposed to war.
And the great day promised in Isaiah and Micah is not yet at hand.
I remain grateful to the great nations who fought and defeated Adolf Hitler.
I support the nigerian army fighting terror in the north east.
So, I may not be totally blown away by an organization opposed to defending it's nation.
But then that is a topic for another day.
Again you make brilliant contributions. Thanks

You could have asked Max, when the government of a particular country is a MILITARY GOVERNMENT and a natural disaster occurs. Then the military guys are tasked to provide means of RESCUE, Will JWs accept such help?

achorladey:
You could have asked Max, when the government of a particular country is a MILITARY GOVERNMENT and a natural disaster occurs. Then the military guys are tasked to provide means of RESCUE, Will JWs accept such help?

Wow great perspective

achorladey:
@ Tcwork which is more tasking?

A. Going to war to kill people.

B. Using the death dealing tongue to kill.

Is there any difference between the TWO?

Jehovah’s Witnesses did not serve in the army, the reason being that they did not want to kill. They see the MILITARY as WAR MACHINES.

Its not as if JWs never go to war before . last last it is AUTOMATIC DISASSOCIATION or disfellowshipping from the ORGANIZATION. Remove that policy and see what happens?

Even God is mighty in battle.
Some was are a necessity. It's not necessarily a virtue to stay at home while others do your battle for you.

I was waiting patiently for you to take the questions from your friend and throw at me, because there are readymade answers in God's word for all questions. Luke 12:12 compared to Isaiah 54:17
Since you seems carried away with his worldly thinking i'll give you our own reasons for dropping all weapons!


Before the Advent of Christianity worshipers of Jehovah takes to instructions regarding warfare as Jehovah issues it, they did just so!
There was a times Jehovah asked them to wait and see what he will do to his enemies, there are times he instructed them to line up and blow trumpet, there are times he said only 300 men is enough for him to destroy more than ten thousand, there was a time he sent just one angel to destroy over 185000 soldiers overnight!

But all that was before the time when his name has not been declared globally has the one and only true God. Today people throughout the globe are claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that's why Jesus told his own followers never to use weapons in the settlement of disputes {Matthew 26:52} because if you do then you're making yourself an instrument in the hand of the destroyer (Satan the devil) he has been the evil genius behind all the disputes throughout the world right from inception, God only stood behind his own true worshipers whenever Satan's agents comes for them.

©But today there's no enemy that deserve to die! Matthew 5:43-48
©Our enemy deserve to be preached to and taught for salvation! 1Timothy 2:4
©God will destroy all those who allowed themselves to be used by Satan! Daniel 2:44
©Jesus is God's only begotten son whose orders we must keep strictly! John 3:16
©Whoever pick up weapons with the intention of protecting his life (save himself) is disobeying Jesus! Matthew 16:25, 26:52; John 11:25
©Satan is controlling people to exterminate one another! Revelations 6:3-4
©Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} all his true followers today have settled their own differences without the use of force or weapons! Micah 4:1-3
©There are no more physical enemies against whom we are to raise up physical weapons now! Ephesians 6:12

May you have PEACE!

Tcwork:
Even God is mighty in battle.
Some was are a necessity. It's not necessarily a virtue to stay at home while others do your battle for you.

Satan is the brain behind world Politics and Government! Luke 4:6; John 14:30, 18:36; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

So whatever order they give us we must obey with exception of just one we must not take side with any of them! Because taking side will make me kill my Christian brother for the sake of keeping one of Satan's agents in power!

As long as they want to issue orders we must allow them to settle the issue of who is in control within themselves and when they're through with their struggle for dominance Jehovah's servants today are to listen and take instructions from whoever Jehovah allows to dominate amongst Satan's agents! Romans 13:1-2

When thieves comes to you, weapons in their hands is a symbol of authority from Satan but if you're able to call the other carriers of weapons who have established themselves as rulers over you, you're indirectly asking them to settle their differences {Romans 13:3-4} because both the thief and the Politician are after the same thing to dominate you for their own gain {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} so don't be carried away with cheap philosophical theories of the world!

Tcwork:
Wow great perspective

MaxInDHouse:
I was waiting patiently for you to take the questions from your friend and throw at me, because there are readymade answers in God's word for all questions. Luke 12:12 compared to Isaiah 54:17
Since you seems carried away with his worldly thinking i'll give you our own reasons for dropping all weapons!


Before the Advent of Christianity worshipers of Jehovah takes to instructions regarding warfare as Jehovah issues it, they did just so!
There was a times Jehovah asked them to wait and see what he will do to his enemies, there are times he instructed them to line up and blow trumpet, there are times he said only 300 men is enough for him to destroy more than ten thousand, there was a time he sent just one angel to destroy over 185000 soldiers overnight!

But all that was before the time when his name has not been declared globally has the one and only true God. Today people throughout the globe are claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that's why Jesus told his own followers never to use weapons in the settlement of disputes {Matthew 26:52} because if you do then you're making yourself an instrument in the hand of the destroyer (Satan the devil) he has been the evil genius behind all the disputes throughout the world right from inception, God only stood behind his own true worshipers whenever Satan's agents comes for them.

©But today there's no enemy that deserve to die! Matthew 5:43-48
©Our enemy deserve to be preached to and taught for salvation! 1Timothy 2:4
©God will destroy all those who allowed themselves to be used by Satan! Daniel 2:44
©Jesus is God's only begotten son whose orders we must keep strictly! John 3:16
©Whoever pick up weapons with the intention of protecting his life (save himself) is disobeying Jesus! Matthew 16:25, 26:52; John 11:25
©Satan is controlling people to exterminate one another! Revelations 6:3-4
©Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} all his true followers today have settled their own differences without the use of force or weapons! Micah 4:1-3
©There are no more physical enemies against whom we are to raise up physical weapons now! Ephesians 6:12

May you have PEACE!

Before I go to the scriptures, let me ask you some questions to better understand your war stands.
Are you telling me that if you find an enemy about to destroy your family and you are in position to kill him, you would do nothing?
Is that the stand of JW?
So I read all the scriptures you wrote, the only one that remotely commands against weapons is Matthew 26.52 so that is the only verse I would hold on to as we futter discuss. The rest have not much to do with the present topic.
Now to understand your religion better, are you telling me that if armed robbers and rapist attack your family and you are in position to physically do something, you would let them carry on? Is that the JW teaching.
Because if that is your doctrine it would be very hard for either of us to understand each other and going further wouldn't make much sense. But then if you are allowed to defend your loved ones then I could as more questions and share more bible verses.

MaxInDHouse:
Satan is the brain behind world Politics and Government! Luke 4:6; John 14:30, 18:36; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

So whatever order they give us we must obey with exception of just one we must not take side with any of them! Because taking side will make me kill my Christian brother for the sake of keeping one of Satan's agents in power!

As long as they want to issue orders we must allow them to settle the issue of who is in control within themselves and when they're through with their struggle for dominance Jehovah's servants today are to listen and take instructions from whoever Jehovah allows to dominate amongst Satan's agents! Romans 13:1-2

When thieves comes to you, weapons in their hands is a symbol of authority from Satan but if you're able to call the other carriers of weapons who have established themselves as rulers over you, you're indirectly asking them to settle their differences {Romans 13:3-4} because both the thief and the Politician are after the same thing to dominate you for their own gain {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} so don't be carried away with cheap philosophical theories of the world!

Please explain
Daniel 2.21
21 He changes times and seasons,+
Removes kings and sets up kings,+
Gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment.+
Romans 13.1
Let every person* be in subjection to the superior authorities,+ for there is no authority except by God;+ the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

I put in few points that you may not ponder over before thinking of how to respond.

Authority has to do with majority and weapons, so if it's just one or two persons with weapons and you have the opportunity to overpower them (as in you outnumbered them) of course you can stop them and take away the weapons, then hand them over to the appropriate authorities.
But once you're outnumbered and they're with weapons then they've formed another authority on their own so we must obey instructions from them!
Take note of what Jesus told Peter @ Matthew 26:52, they are more than Jesus and his disciples and they're with weapons!

Tcwork:
Before I go to the scriptures, let me ask you some questions to better understand your war stands.
Are you telling me that if you find an enemy about to destroy your family and you are in position to kill him, you would do nothing?
Is that the stand of JW?
So I read all the scriptures you wrote, the only one that remotely commands against weapons is Matthew 26.52 so that is the only verse I would hold on to as we futter discuss. The rest have not much to do with the present topic.
Now to understand your religion better, are you telling me that if armed robbers and rapist attack your family and you are in position to physically do something, you would let them carry on? Is that the JW teaching.
Because if that is your doctrine it would be very hard for either of us to understand each other and going further wouldn't make much sense. But then if you are allowed to defend your loved ones then I could as more questions and share more bible verses.

MaxInDHouse:
I put in few points that you may not ponder over before thinking of how to respond.

Authority has to do with majority and weapons, so if it's just one or two persons with weapons and you have the opportunity to overpower them (as in you outnumbered them) of course you can stop them and take away the weapons, then hand them over to the appropriate authorities.
But once you're outnumbered and they're with weapons then they've formed another authority on their own so we must obey instructions from them!
Take note of what Jesus told Peter @ Matthew 26:52, they are more than Jesus and his disciples and they're with weapons!

So if I may get you, you areally not really against taking arms to defend yourself or family all you are against is government right? And again your interpretation of Christ's words in Matthew 26.52 is to go to war only when you can outnumber the enemy?

God intervene when those in authority will not allow his people to worship him, as long as they don't disturb pure worship God leave them to continue with their nonsense and ingredients as they await destruction!

Tcwork:
Please explain
Daniel 2.21
21 He changes times and seasons,+
Removes kings and sets up kings,+
Gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment.+
Romans 13.1
Let every person* be in subjection to the superior authorities,+ for there is no authority except by God;+ the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

MaxInDHouse:
God intervene when those in authority will not allow his people to worship him, as long as they don't disturb pure worship God leave them to continue with their nonsense and ingredients as they await destruction!

Is that your interpretation of the 2 verses? Also let me add, if your son is been bullied by his mates on the street, would you advise him to defend himself if he can? It would be cool if you give us the JW position on self defense and defence of family and loved ones

Verse two of Romans 13 must be applied with wisdom. The world government is in the hands of Satan the devil {Luke 4:6} Jesus did not object to Satan's claim rather Jesus confirmed it that Satan is in control of the world's government {John 14:30} the same Apostle Paul also said Satan is the God of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} so if we are to apply Romans 13:2 with Godly wisdom we shouldn't conclude that God is the one who chose those in charge of Satan's worldly authorities, instead what Paul meant is those people are there due to permission from God as some people must be there to continue managing the affairs of this system until God's Kingdom come. Note what Daniel 2:44 says God's appointed King (Jesus) is coming to DESTROY all of them of course Jesus Christ can't come to destroy his father's work if it's to be implied the way you're insinuating!

Self defense differs from killing one's enemies!
The best way God's son asked us to handle such issue is FLEE (RUN) away from bullies {Matthew 10:23} and he led by example! Luke 4:29-30; John 8:59, 10:39

A Christian may choose to defend himself against bullies but it's unchristian to think of killing in the course of defence.

I was a soldier, for your information the weapons we carry wasn't meant to kill according to our ethics but to force the opposition to surrender, once an opposition surrenders his weapons it's against the ethics of the army globally to aim at such a person. That's why those who killed the End Sars protesters are under probation by the world's court order. Otherwise the Nigerian Army supposed to be killing Boko Haram members at sight whether they're ready to surrender or not!

Tcwork:
Is that your interpretation of the 2 verses? Also let me add, if your son is been bullied by his mates on the street, would you advise him to defend himself if he can? It would be cool if you give us the JW position on self defense and defence of family and loved ones

MaxInDHouse:
Verse two of Romans 13 must be applied with wisdom. The world government is in the hands of Satan the devil {Luke 4:6} Jesus did not object to Satan's claim rather Jesus confirmed it that Satan is in control of the world's government {John 14:30} the same Apostle Paul also said Satan is the God of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} so if we are to apply Romans 13:2 with Godly wisdom we shouldn't conclude that God is the one who chose those in charge of Satan's worldly authorities, instead what Paul meant is those people are there due to permission from God as some people must be there to continue managing the affairs of this system until God's Kingdom come. Note what Daniel 2:44 says God's appointed King (Jesus) is coming to DESTROY all of them of course Jesus Christ can't come to destroy his father's work if it's to be implied the way you're insinuating!

Self defense differs from killing one's enemies!
The best way God's son asked us to handle such issue is FLEE (RUN) away from bullies {Matthew 10:23} and he led by example! Luke 4:29-30; John 8:59, 10:39

A Christian may choose to defend himself against bullies but it's unchristian to think of killing in the course of defence.

I was a soldier, for your information the weapons we carry wasn't meant to kill according to our ethics but to force the opposition to surrender, once an opposition surrenders his weapons it's against the ethics of the army globally to aim at such a person. That's why those who killed the End Sars protesters are under probation by the world's court order. Otherwise the Nigerian Army supposed to be killing Boko Haram members at sight whether they're ready to surrender or not!

So if I may get you, you are saying that you are allowed to defend yourself and your family physically as long as you do not she'd blood? So I am a JW member, I come home to find someone raping my wife, he is armed, you are saying that the bible teaches that I should flee so that I don't get to hurt him or she'd his blood right?
Again you are not clear with Romans 13.1
Are you saying that God permits them or not.
The very last statement in Romans 13.1 says
the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.
How do you understand this statement.

@ Tcwork let me give you a material on their stand on self defense as captured in one of their magazines............

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102008204

MaxInDHouse:
I put in few points that you may not ponder over before thinking of how to respond.

Authority has to do with majority and weapons, so if it's just one or two persons with weapons and you have the opportunity to overpower them (as in you outnumbered them) of course you can stop them and take away the weapons, then hand them over to the appropriate authorities.
But once you're outnumbered and they're with weapons then they've formed another authority on their own so we must obey instructions from them!
Take note of what Jesus told Peter @ Matthew 26:52, they are more than Jesus and his disciples and they're with weapons!

The bold is not the only thing Jesus told Peter. He added the account below too


Matthew 26: 53. Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels? 54 In that case, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must take place this way?”

In reality Jesus an his disciples were indeed more than them not only that Jesus even knew they were coming long before they came to ARREST him paapaa.


That your explanation up there get as e be ooooo.

achorladey:
@ Tcwork let me give you a material on their stand on self defense as captured in one of their magazines............

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102008204

The summary of all this is that you are not against self defense or defense of family.
You could shed blood in the process.
You basically are not different from the rest of us. Only that you refuse to be political.
In the light of that was it right for the rest of the world to come in defence of Jews, polish and many others from the evil grasp of Hitlers Germany?
Was it wrong to stop the invading Japanese and bring peace to the world again?

MaxInDHouse:
I was waiting patiently for you to take the questions from your friend and throw at me, because there are readymade answers in God's word for all questions. Luke 12:12 compared to Isaiah 54:17
Since you seems carried away with his worldly thinking i'll give you our own reasons for dropping all weapons!


Before the Advent of Christianity worshipers of Jehovah takes to instructions regarding warfare as Jehovah issues it, they did just so!
There was a times Jehovah asked them to wait and see what he will do to his enemies, there are times he instructed them to line up and blow trumpet, there are times he said only 300 men is enough for him to destroy more than ten thousand, there was a time he sent just one angel to destroy over 185000 soldiers overnight!

But all that was before the time when his name has not been declared globally has the one and only true God. Today people throughout the globe are claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that's why Jesus told his own followers never to use weapons in the settlement of disputes {Matthew 26:52} because if you do then you're making yourself an instrument in the hand of the destroyer (Satan the devil) he has been the evil genius behind all the disputes throughout the world right from inception, God only stood behind his own true worshipers whenever Satan's agents comes for them.

©But today there's no enemy that deserve to die! Matthew 5:43-48
©Our enemy deserve to be preached to and taught for salvation! 1Timothy 2:4
©God will destroy all those who allowed themselves to be used by Satan! Daniel 2:44
©Jesus is God's only begotten son whose orders we must keep strictly! John 3:16
©Whoever pick up weapons with the intention of protecting his life (save himself) is disobeying Jesus! Matthew 16:25, 26:52; John 11:25
©Satan is controlling people to exterminate one another! Revelations 6:3-4
©Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} all his true followers today have settled their own differences without the use of force or weapons! Micah 4:1-3
©There are no more physical enemies against whom we are to raise up physical weapons now! Ephesians 6:12

May you have PEACE!

But all that was before the time when his name has not been declared globally has the one and only true God.


Mr Max to the above look carefully the scriptures below even when Egyptians suffered in the hands of the God of Israelites all surrounding nations heeded and reverence his mighty power.

Daniel 6: 23 The king was overjoyed, and he commanded that Daniel be lifted up out of the pit. When Daniel was lifted up out of the pit, he was completely unharmed, because he had trusted in his God. 24 The king then gave an order, and the men who had accused* Daniel were brought, and they were thrown into the lions’ pit, along with their sons and their wives. They had not reached the bottom of the pit before the lions overpowered them and crushed all their bones. 25 Then King Da·riʹus wrote to all the peoples, nations, and language groups dwelling throughout the earth:“May you have abundant peace! 26 I am issuing an order that in every domain of my kingdom, people are to tremble in fear before the God of Daniel. For he is the living God and he endures forever. His kingdom will never be destroyed, and his rulership* is eternal.

Tcwork:
The summary of all this is that you are not against self defense or defense of family.
You could shed blood in the process.
You basically are not different from the rest of us. Only that you refuse to be political.
In the light of that was it right for the rest of the world to come in defence of Jews, polish and many others from the evil grasp of Hitlers Germany?
Was it wrong to stop the invading Japanese and bring peace to the world again?

Now you see the viewpoint of Max correctly.

He was just going round in circles rather than go straight to the point that JWs can equally SELF DEFENSE themselves under certain circumstances and even if such self defense leads to death, it is a justifiable cause.


The reason I cited the material is to cut his circling short and see what they believe about self defense.

@ Tcwork

This will help you understand them again. The question is are JWs PACIFIST? The images and the links will help you find the answers.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1951080

achorladey:
@ Tcwork

This will help you understand them again. The question is are JWs PACIFIST? The images and the links will help you find the answers.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1951080

Please explain or send me a direct link. I am finding it hard to read here

achorladey:
Now you see the viewpoint of Max correctly.

He was just going round in circles rather than go straight to the point that JWs can equally SELF DEFENSE themselves under certain circumstances and even if such self defense leads to death, it is a justifiable cause.


The reason I cited the material is to cut his circling short and see what they believe about self defense.

If they can also she'd blood in defence then the rest is political.
They are free to hold any political believe they want but that's just what it is , politics

Tcwork:
Please explain

PACIFISM means the belief that war is wrong, and, therefore, that to fight in a war is wrong

The QUESTION is are JWs PACIFIST?

Their own magazine as posted in my previous post answers NO?

Why? From the material the caption says Jehovah is a man of war.

The concluding part says since 1914 Jesus shows that he is not a PACIFIST.

Since JWs accept Jehovah and Jesus definitely they are NOT PACIFIST?

I hope the explanation is clear enough.

Tcwork:
If they can also she'd blood in defence then the rest is political.
They are free to hold any political believe they want but that's just what it is , politics

You begin to wonder why Max keeping using not going to war as something special to JWs alone [/b]whereas in reality there are many other [b]Christian denominations like that as well.

The threat of DISASSOCIATION or DISFELLOWSHIPPING is what makes them avoid politics but by nature they are political only they refused to accept.

achorladey:
You begin to wonder why Max keeping using not going to war as something special to JWs alone [/b]whereas in reality there are many other [b]Christian denominations like that as well.

The threat of DISASSOCIATION or DISFELLOWSHIPPING is what makes them avoid politics but by nature they are political only they refused to accept.

I would respect any organization that is totally against violence of all kinds. Personally I believe that wars are justified.
But if you can shed blood in self defense then saying you don't fight was is just being political.
Again I respect people's political views but politics is politics and scripture is scripture.

God permitted them to be there just as he did with Pharaoh in Egypt, the statement "God hardened his heart" simply means permission to continue living. If God wants to use his power like humans would do he could just seize the lungs Pharaoh was using to breathe.
So God permitted them doesn't mean he approve useless, hopeless and worthless human government!

I have told you what we believe but if you're not OK with that you can follow your own heart like your friend. Rapists don't go about carrying weapons to scare away people all because they just want to have sex, Use your brains at least the weapons can be used to rob, get enough money and go for prostitutes that will satisfy their sexual urges!

Tcwork:
So if I may get you, you are saying that you are allowed to defend yourself and your family physically as long as you do not she'd blood? So I am a JW member, I come home to find someone raping my wife, he is armed, you are saying that the bible teaches that I should flee so that I don't get to hurt him or she'd his blood right?
Again you are not clear with Romans 13.1
Are you saying that God permits them or not.
The very last statement in Romans 13.1 says
the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.
How do you understand this statement.

If Christians can kill in defense then why all the persecution and killing leading to the death of Christians in the first century?
Do you think God supports them to kill in defense and they were killed on daily basis in Jerusalem back then?

You either take it or leave it my friend, true Christians must not kill that's why Jesus said we must not think of weapons as means of settling differences {Matthew 26:52} otherwise nothing could send the first century Christians away from their Homeland!

Tcwork:
I would respect any organization that is totally against violence of all kinds. Personally I believe that wars are justified.
But if you can shed blood in self defense then saying you don't fight was is just being political.
Again I respect people's political views but politics is politics and scripture is scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
If Christians can kill in defense then why all the persecution and killing leading to the death of Christians in the first century?
Do you think God supports them to kill in defense and they were killed on daily basis in Jerusalem back then?

You either take it or leave it my friend, true Christians must not kill that's why Jesus said we must not think of weapons as means of settling differences {Matthew 26:52} otherwise nothing could send the first century Christians away from their Homeland!

But you earlier said killing in self defense is allowed by your church.
And the Christians in the 1st were a weak force and a minority just like 2nd world war jews.
Are you no longer in support of killing in self-defense?
And you would now let you wife to be raped because you don't want to offend the rapist. Or you would possible turn the other cheek?

MaxInDHouse:
God permitted them to be there just as he did with Pharaoh in Egypt, the statement "God hardened his heart" simply means permission to continue living. If God wants to use his power like humans would do he could just seize the lungs Pharaoh was using to breathe.
So God permitted them doesn't mean he approve useless, hopeless and worthless human government!

I have told you what we believe but if you're not OK with that you can follow your own heart like your friend. Rapists don't go about carrying weapons to scare away people all because they just want to have sex, Use your brains at least the weapons can be used to rob, get enough money and go for prostitutes that will satisfy their sexual urges!

First I believe you know nothing about rapist and that is actually a good thing. You don't have such experience. But you could read to find out how many serial killers were rapist.
And I must say, you have a unique and interesting interpretation of scripture.
The modern Christian is very good at interpretin scriptures to suit him even when those scriptures have already clear meanings.

Please quote me where i made such a statement, what I told you is self defense to disarm the evildoer WE MUST NOT KILL!

You don't know the difference between Christians and Jews shey?

CHRISTIANS are disciples of Jesus not his family or countrymen Sir! Matthew 12:46-49

You love twisting matters just to suit your hearts inclination, go and do whatever Jesus asked you to do to those who wrong you, i've told you how my organization taught me to apply Jesus' orders!

Tcwork:
But you earlier said killing in self defense is allowed by your church.
And the Christians in the 1st were a weak force and a minority just like 2nd world war jews.
Are you no longer in support of killing in self-defense?
And you would now let you wife to be raped because you don't want to offend the rapist. Or you would possible turn the other cheek?

Funny you!

A former military intelligence agent don't know what rapists or serial killer means abi?

Just say Jesus' orders don't make sense to you because i hate rapists much more than you when i was in the army but today JWs have beaten my feeling to the extent that i now feel pity for evildoers. Romans 12:20-21

WHY?
Because they will perish and due to love that's built in my heart for everyone now i'm working hard to help them NOT TO JUDGE THEM! Matthew 7:1-2

Have you ever had sex with a lady to whom you're not married before?
Well according to God's word you should be dead by now you and the lady for having casual sex without marriage in view.

Rapists are to be forced to marry victims according to God's law God never asked Israelites to kill a rapist, it's a killer that God asked them to kill not a rapist.

So Jesus asked us to have pity on everyone as in EVERYONE because even when they kill you for obeying Jesus you will be resurrected {Matthew 16:25} but unbelievers will be forgotten, so we are to help them to gain everlasting life NOT TO JUDGE THEM!

Tcwork:
First I believe you know nothing about rapist and that is actually a good thing. You don't have such experience. But you could read to find out how many serial killers were rapist.
And I must say, you have a unique and interesting interpretation of scripture.
The modern Christian is very good at interpretin scriptures to suit him even when those scriptures have already clear meanings.