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DappaD:
Be careful not to allow pride becloud your reasoning. Matthew 6:2

I bet you need clarifications to the coloured part. Ask Tcwork for clarifications and keep your PRIDE palaver in the cooler.

Tcwork:
Pride kwa...ok sir I heAR you

I believe he does not understand what you mean by the part he coloured

Mr DappaD
Now you are over doing it.
What does Hebrew 12.1 add to this talk...
So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us,+ and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.
We have over 2k views on this thread not all are as brilliant as you sir. I agree, you know the bible very well but help us by explaining and showing how what you write relates. Please

achorladey:
I believe he does not understand what you mean by the part he coloured

He is not happy because I said that I have donated money for their publication. He thinks I am feeling proud

Tcwork:

Claim down but like I said you quote does not in any way indicate that. First your quote shows that these were men of faith. They had faith in christ and because of that they where promised eternal life. But they could not obtain it yet until Christ came and paid the price. How does this scripture have a bearing with anything you are saying

Before it was “the scriptures I quoted do not support my points” now it has come to you misconstruing a simple and direct statement made by Paul at Hebrews 11:39-40
You’ve been saying that the faithful men and women of old have already gained everlasting life, can you please provide the scripture?

Because as we know, even David was given a promise that his offspring[Messiah] would rule in a Kingdom that God would set up[2Samuel 7:12-13] and David put faith in those words yet he never saw the fulfillment of it in that he never got to be part of the arrangement. Acts 2:29-34
That’s the import of Hebrews 11:39-40.

Tcwork:
Mr DappaD
Now you are over doing it.
What does Hebrew 12.1 add to this talk...
So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us,+ and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.We have over 2k views on this thread not all are as brilliant as you sir. I agree, you know the bible very well but help us by explaining and showing how what you write relates. Please

You keep mulling over insignificant details. Can I ask the reason why? It seems I need to be more succinct with my replies to you.

DappaD:
Before it was “the scriptures I quoted do not support my points” now it has come to you misconstruing a simple and direct statement made by Paul at Hebrews 11:39-40
You’ve been saying that the faithful men and women of old have already gained everlasting life, can you please provide the scripture?

Because as we know, even David was given a promise that his offspring[Messiah] would rule in a Kingdom that God would set up[2Samuel 7:12-13] and David put faith in those words yet he never saw the fulfillment of it in that he never got to be part of the arrangement. Acts 2:29-34
That’s the import of Hebrews 11:39-40.

Yes I said so. Jesus was the first fruit of resurrection. Before the resurrection of Christ these faithful men where yet to rise. But the parable of Jesus and the visit of Elijah and Moses tells us where they where. These righteous men lived as spirits in paradise awaiting the resurrection of Christ

DappaD:
You keep mulling over insignificant details. Can I ask the reason why? It seems I need to be more succinct with my replies to you.

Stop giving insignificant details

Tcwork:
Yes I said so. Jesus was the first fruit of resurrection. Before the resurrection of Christ these faithful men where yet to rise. But the parable of Jesus and the visit of Elijah and Moses tells us where they where

Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.

DappaD:

Because as we know, even David was given a promise that his offspring[Messiah] would rule in a Kingdom that God would set up[2Samuel 7:12-13] and David put faith in those words yet he never saw the fulfillment of it in that he never got to be part of the arrangement. Acts 2:29-34
That’s the import of Hebrews 11:39-40.

Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

DappaD:
Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.



Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

What is eternal life
John 17.3
This means everlasting life,+ their coming to know you,* the only true God,+ and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Every old testament prophet knew God and Jesus Christ.

DappaD:
Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.



Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

Now let me help you a bit before you get carried away.
You have been trying hard to prove that the prophets of old did not know Christ. But the you read Hebrew that tells you that they where men of faith and the received that promise that you and I and still working to obtain.
Don't you see?
And of all your members, you seem to be the most rude. Some of the others are rude but you are way up.
You just told a grown man to go to bed. Are this discussion we are having means nothing if we can't show example of believers.
Our discussion wouldn't take us to heaven, our actions would.
You can't be I'll mannered for Christ.

DappaD:
Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.



Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

Na only cornered you see, you never see freekicked to one side. David even spoke concerning the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ Acts 2:31 and the good news Peter, Paul and the rest suffered for was to proclaim the resurrection of Jesus Christ and you are still saying prophets of old don't have faith in Jesus Christ.

achorladey:
Na only cornered you see, you never see freekicked to one side. David even spoke concerning the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ Acts 2:31 and the good news Peter, Paul and the rest suffered for was to proclaim the resurrection of Jesus Christ and you are still saying they don't have faith in Jesus Christ

DappaD has continued to show rudeness. He thinks this is a fight. I just hope one of his people would call him to order.

Tcwork:
DappaD has continued to show rudeness. He thinks this is a fight. I just hope one of his people would call him to order.

I have had discussion with him before. When an individual starts on a note that others should be humble and learn from him but those he is conversing with can't see the HUMILITY or knowledge he claims to possess, rudeness, authoritarian approach or pride will follow closely.

The issue for him now is for you to accept without question what he can't use scriptures to support.

Tcwork:
Now let me help you a bit before you get carried away.
You have been trying hard to prove that the prophets of old did not know Christ. But the you read Hebrew that tells you that they where men of faith and the received that promise that you and I and still working to obtain.
Don't you see?
And of all your members, you seem to be the most rude. Some of the others are rude but you are way up.
You just told a grown man to go to bed. Are this discussion we are having means nothing if we can't show example of believers.
Our discussion wouldn't take us to heaven, our actions would.
You can't be I'll mannered for Christ.

In simple terms accept what I have said without questions because

1. I belong to the organization God is using to save people today

2. All others don't have accurate knowledge of the scriptures like JWs

3. I don't have to support my assertions scripturally, if you are humble enough even if you don't understand what I have said. Accept it without doubts or raising questions.


That is their mode of operations!!!

achorladey:
In simple terms accept what I have said without questions because

1. I belong to the organization God is using to save people today

2. All others don't have accurate knowledge of the scriptures like JWs

3. I don't have to support my assertions scripturally, if you are humble enough even if you don't understand what I have said. Accept it without doubts or raising questions.


That is their mode of operations!!!

He is being overzealous I get that. I hope he learns in time.
We don't only preach love. We show love.

Tcwork:
What is eternal life

Thank you! Now let’s use John 3:16 as a case study.
John 3:16 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

It is well known that Jesus came to the earth to give his life as a ransom in exchange for ours so that we might gain everlasting life.
Compare Matthew 20:28/1Timothy 2:6

But what is the “ransom” and why did he have to give his life in the first place? The basic understanding of the word “ransom” means a price paid for the release of one held in slavery/bondage.
How did we get into slavery? And to what?

We’ll do well to consider what transpired in the garden of Eden about six millennia ago. Jehovah created Adam, he was made perfect, given him a home, satisfying work, a spouse, nutritious food but he was given something even more precious—the prospect of living forever—on earth. Genesis 2:17

But this precious gift was to be gotten only through adherence to God’s simple command. As we all know, Adam&Eve sinned, lost the opportunity of living forever here on earth. They and their unborn children were thereby tainted by sin and condemned/made slaves to death. Genesis 3:19, Psalm 51:5, Romans 5:12

This brings us back to John 3:16. Jehovah had to send his perfect Son[Hebrews 7:26] to die in our behalf in order that we might regain that long lost promise of endless life that was promised to Adam. compare 1Corinthians 15:22

Since we are all imperfect[tainted] humans, no matter how much effort is put, we cannot erase inherited sin and death from themselves. Psalm 49:7-9
Several alchemists during the Dark Ages even tried to extend their lives, all to no avail. This comes as no surprise, after all we were all made with the desire to live forever. Ecclesiastes 3:11

That’s why Jehovah did not leave humans to their fate, otherwise we are all dead men walking. So in order, not to die anymore, one must take in knowledge of Jehovah, exercise faith in and obey Jesus Christ. John 6:40, 17:3
Anyone who refuses to obey Jesus Christ is already condemned to death. John 3:36

P.S. Everlasting life is not to be confused with immortality, since that’s a different ball game.

Tcwork:
He is being overzealous I get that. I hope he learns in time.
We don't only preach love. We show love.

TcWork.
Do you know the person you rubbing palm with think Trinity doctrine is an unreasonable one and of pagan origin

Tcwork:

Now let me help you a bit before you get carried away.You have been trying hard to prove that the prophets of old did not know Christ. But the you read Hebrew that tells you that they where men of faith and the received that promise that you and I and still working to obtain.Don't you see?
And of all your members, you seem to be the most rude. Some of the others are rude but you are way up.You just told a grown man to go to bed. Are this discussion we are having means nothing if we can't show example of believers.
Our discussion wouldn't take us to heaven, our actions would.You can't be I'll mannered for Christ.

Tcwork, I apologize if I came off rude.

haddeylium:
TcWork.
Do you know the person you rubbing palm with think Trinity doctrine is an unreasonable one and of pagan origin

This is not a war bro.

DappaD:
Thank you! Now let’s use John 3:16 as a case study.
John 3:16 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

It is well known that Jesus came to the earth to give his life as a ransom in exchange for ours so that we might gain everlasting life.
Compare Matthew 20:28/1Timothy 2:6

But what is the “ransom” and why did he have to give his life in the first place? The basic understanding of the word “ransom” means a price paid for the release of one held in slavery/bondage.
How did we get into slavery? And to what?

We’ll do well to consider what transpired in the garden of Eden about six millennia ago. Jehovah created Adam, he was made perfect, given him a home, satisfying work, a spouse, nutritious food but he was given something even more precious—the prospect of living forever—on earth. Genesis 2:17

But this precious gift was to be gotten only through adherence to God’s simple command. As we all know, Adam&Eve sinned, lost the opportunity of living forever here on earth. They and their unborn children were thereby tainted by sin and condemned/made slaves to death. Genesis 3:19, Psalm 51:5, Romans 5:12

This brings us back to John 3:16. Jehovah had to send his perfect Son[Hebrews 7:26] to die in our behalf in order that we might regain that long lost promise of endless life that was promised to Adam. compare 1Corinthians 15:22

Since we are all imperfect[tainted] humans, no matter how much effort is put, we cannot erase inherited sin and death from themselves. Psalm 49:7-9
Several alchemists during the Dark Ages even tried to extend their lives, all to no avail. This comes as no surprise, after all we were all made with the desire to live forever. Ecclesiastes 3:11

That’s why Jehovah did not leave humans to their fate, otherwise we are all dead men walking. So in order, not to die anymore, one must take in knowledge of Jehovah, exercise faith in and obey Jesus Christ. John 6:40, 17:3
Anyone who refuses to obey Jesus Christ is already condemned to death. John 3:36

P.S. Everlasting life is not to be confused with immortality, since that’s a different ball game.

I would read tomorrow. Sleep don catch me

Tcwork:
This is not a war bro.

Of course! We're not at one.
I belong to Global peaceful organization with Christ 'The Prince of Peace direction'

Where you and your friend keep stumbling is the idea that nice and haughty people could be found in virtually all religious groups then there's no reason condemning any form of worship as long as those practicing it are claiming Christian.

I have told you how i got a deeper understanding of the whole issue but i'll use this illustration to explain what is happening perhaps you will get it.

As a soldier i know that for an army to win in a battle it does not depend on individual skills or valiance but on their commanding officer, approach and war strategy. God is our Creator so he has no reason to be partial in any way, but for him to have set apart a nation and called them his people means there is something that interests him in the gathering of imperfect humans.
Are they~
©Willing to acknowledge him as their Creator, Provider, Protector and Counselor?
©Prepared to follow orders since he will have to pass info from one person to another?
©Ready to take quick action when they notice one or two of them have become rebellious?
©Going to remain faithful, loyal and obedient to him under any condition or circumstances?

As long as the answer to these questions is YES then God is OK with them as their God and keep them always as his special possession out of all other peoples. Exodus 19:5

Nobody is saying JWs are perfect or holier than other people outside their Organization, what i'm saying is Worship involves mighty spirit beings, the different codes or tenets you're seeing in various religions indicates the feeling of the SPIRIT BEING controlling that religion. So what makes the difference is how each spirit is able to make use of imperfect humans to portray his own attributes! Galatians 5:22-23

The spirit being or commanding spirit force leading JW Organization has proved to be the one and only true God by his attributes which the whole world can SEE not necessarily in each of the members but in their group as one BODY! Matthew 5:13-16; Ephesians 4:12

So stop thinking about the character of each member of a religion because that will continue to confuse you and even lead you to conclude that God will approve all forms of worship, since you will find extraordinary nice people in all the religions! Rather try to focus on what the controlling spirit (the God in their midst) is able to do with a group of imperfect humans that's not possible elsewhere!

Tcwork:
My brother I am really having a great time with our JW friends.
I have received insults and ridicule from many of the yet the claim to be the ones facing persecution.
But really I am enjoying myself.
At a time I had an entire horde of them on me
MaxInDHouse has been mostly decent but many that came and fell by the way had been not as nice.
Overall, I study human nature and I know how defensive people are when it gets to religion

You need to ask for the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of whatever you read in our book (Bible) otherwise you will get lost in thought while trying to figure it out unguided!

The bolded is not talking about their salvation but God's promise that a SEED/CHILD will be born through their lineage {Isaiah 9:6} that will lead them in the way of Salvation. Galatians 3:16 compared to Genesis 3:15

They were FAITHFULLY anticipating the arrival of this SEED but each of them died without seeing or learning from him.
So you and i are much more privileged that Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David or any of those faithful men today because we have the privilege of reading about his lifesaving counsels Abel and others till John the baptist never heard! Luke 16:16
It's now left to us to figure out the Organization of people practicing what this promised SEED laid down! Hebrew 10:24-25

Tcwork:
Now let me help you a bit before you get carried away.
You have been trying hard to prove that the prophets of old did not know Christ. But the you read Hebrew that tells you that they where men of faith and the received that promise that you and I and still working to obtain.
Don't you see?
And of all your members, you seem to be the most rude. Some of the others are rude but you are way up.
You just told a grown man to go to bed. Are this discussion we are having means nothing if we can't show example of believers.
Our discussion wouldn't take us to heaven, our actions would.
You can't be I'll mannered for Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
You need to ask for the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of whatever you read in our book (Bible) otherwise you will get lost in thought while trying to figure it out unguided!
The bolded is not talking about their salvation but God's promise that a SEED/CHILD will be born through their lineage {Isaiah 9:6} that will lead them in the way of Salvation. Galatians 3:16 compared to Genesis 3:15
They were FAITHFULLY anticipating the arrival of this SEED but each of them died without seeing or learning from him.
So you and i are much more privileged that Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David or any of those faithful men today because we have the privilege of reading about his lifesaving counsels Abel and others till John the baptist never heard! Luke 16:16
It's now left to us to figure out the Organization of people practicing what this promised SEED laid down! Hebrew 10:24-25

Tcwork has already chosen to be blind to the facts because I noticed how he was fumbling and fidgeting when I brought David’s case to the fore.

haddeylium:
TcWork.
Do you know the person you rubbing palm with think Trinity doctrine is an unreasonable one and of pagan origin

You want to go TRINITY abi the areas where you love discussing with other Christian denominations abi?

The title of the thread says is JESUS JEHOVAH? as created by Tcwork. In the course of that Tcwork stated JESUS IS JEHOVAH. The very organization you haddey belong to has equally stated so and added they can't be DOGMATIC about it. .

In order words they are telling you we have seen instances where JEHOVAH is called JESUS.

I have discussed and deliberated on Trinity before you decided to register on this platform. Not again because it is an unending discussion. If you like call those who believe the Trinity dogheads like I have seen you and your brothers sorry friends do repeatedly. Its your palaver to sort. One of friend said TRINITY is dead and buried but when another thread on TRINITY is created in the next seconds, minutes, and hour he will go there to contribute on DEAD and BURIED doctrines

I reach there before you believing Trinity is not a licence that you will miss God not believing Trinity us not an automatic license that you have God.

Tcwork:
This is not a war bro.

Na DIVERSION tactics to go into other areas.

He has seen the light but he is scared of coming to stay in it his, he just feel like staying somewhere close to where he could be viewing the light from a distance (making friends with JWs but not ready to become a member) he doesn't want to come into the light so that his dirty robes will not become obvious to all observers! John 3:19

He thought we are saying JWs have been totally cured or clean, he doesn't understand that we are just exerting ourselves vigorously {Luke 13:24} to maintain our position in the one and only place where our dirty robes could be made clean! Revelations 7:14

He is fighting really hard to justify himself that he is not our enemy so we must approve him as a worshiper of our God after all he's sitting on the fence! Matthew 10:34-39

I laughed really hard in Urhobo when he said "MaxInDHouse has been mostly decent" definitely he has not grasped that my subtle approach and response hurts much more, that's what his friend finds tormenting much more than all the insults, abuses and curses achorladey has ever gotten from anyone else on Nairaland, that's why he is always looking forward to engaging MaxInDHouse in arguments!

But i've decided to pick questions from his posts address them intelligently and leave him to continue begging for the drop of water to cool his thirst! Luke 16:24

Let him join achorladey in their brotherhood of unbelievers {Luke 16:27-28} he doesn't know how tormenting it is yet to be on the opposite side against JEHOVAH! Hebrew 10:27

DappaD:
Tcwork has already chosen to be blind to the facts because I noticed how he was fumbling and fidgeting when I brought David’s case to the fore.

achorladey:
You want to go TRINITY abi the areas where you love discussing with other Christian denominations abi?
The title of the thread says is JESUS JEHOVAH? as created by Tcwork. In the course of that Tcwork stated JESUS IS JEHOVAH. The very organization you haddey belong to has equally stated so and added they can't be DOGMATIC about it. .
In order words they are telling you we have seen instances where JEHOVAH is called JESUS.
I have discussed and deliberated on Trinity before you decided to register on this platform. Not again because it is an unending discussion. If you like call those who believe the Trinity dogheads like I have seen you and your brothers sorry friends do repeatedly. Its your palaver to sort. One of friend said TRINITY is dead and buried but when another thread on TRINITY is created in the next seconds, minutes, and hour he will go there to contribute on DEAD and BURIED doctrines
I reach there before you believing Trinity is not a licence that you will miss God not believing Trinity us not an automatic license that you have God.

The title of the thread: Is Jesus Jehovah?

TcWork: Yes!
Jws: No!
Akolade: watchtower are mind controlling, the organization in watchower and Kamasutra

Atleast People clearly see the sane one

haddeylium:
The title of the thread: Is Jesus Jehovah?

TcWork: Yes!
Jws: No!
Akolade: watchtower are mind controlling, the organization in watchower and Kamasutra

Atleast People clearly see the sane one

Are you sane?

MaxInDHouse:
He has seen the light but he is scared of coming to stay in it his, he just feel like staying somewhere close to where he could be viewing the light from a distance (making friends with JWs but not ready to become a member) he doesn't want to come into the light so that his dirty robes will not become obvious to all observers! John 3:19

He thought we are saying JWs have been totally cured or clean, he doesn't understand that we are just exerting ourselves vigorously {Luke 13:24} to maintain our position in the one and only place where our dirty robes could be made clean! Revelations 7:14

He is fighting really hard to justify himself that he is not our enemy so we must approve him as a worshiper of our God after all he's sitting on the fence! Matthew 10:34-39

I laughed really hard in Urhobo when he said "MaxInDHouse has been mostly decent" definitely he has not grasped that my subtle approach and response hurts much more, that's what his friend finds tormenting much more than all the insults, abuses and curses achorladey has ever gotten from anyone else on Nairaland, that's why he is always looking forward to engaging MaxInDHouse in arguments!

But i've decided to pick questions from his posts address them intelligently and leave him to continue begging for the drop of water to cool his thirst! Luke 16:24

Let him join achorladey in their brotherhood of unbelievers {Luke 16:27-28} he doesn't know how tormenting it is yet to be on the opposite side against JEHOVAH! Hebrew 10:27

He thought we are saying JWs have been totally cured or clean, he doesn't understand that we are just exerting ourselves vigorously




Na ORGANIZATION dey wash robe clean and the organization is the LIGHT

approach and response hurts much more, that's what his friend finds tormenting much more than all the insults, abuses and curses achorladey has ever gotten from anyone else on Nairaland, that's why he is always looking forward to engaging MaxInDHouse in arguments


Can you remind us what an ATHEIST said about you . I don't have to insult, use abuse or tag you at all. You always get high dose of it from others. You know who you are?

You wanted to torment me on one thread like that you not only abandoned it, you backtracked and you cannot stand the heat of your own TORMENT.

MaxInDHouse:
He has seen the light but he is scared of coming to stay in it his, he just feel like staying somewhere close to where he could be viewing the light from a distance (making friends with JWs but not ready to become a member) he doesn't want to come into the light so that his dirty robes will not become obvious to all observers! John 3:19
He thought we are saying JWs have been totally cured or clean, he doesn't understand that we are just exerting ourselves vigorously {Luke 13:24} to maintain our position in the one and only place where our dirty robes could be made clean! Revelations 7:14
He is fighting really hard to justify himself that he is not our enemy so we must approve him as a worshiper of our God after all he's sitting on the fence! Matthew 10:34-39
I laughed really hard in Urhobo when he said "MaxInDHouse has been mostly decent" definitely he has not grasped that my subtle approach and response hurts much more, that's what his friend finds tormenting much more than all the insults, abuses and curses achorladey has ever gotten from anyone else on Nairaland, that's why he is always looking forward to engaging MaxInDHouse in arguments!
But i've decided to pick questions from his posts address them intelligently and leave him to continue begging for the drop of water to cool his thirst! Luke 16:24
Let him join ... in their brotherhood of unbelievers {Luke 16:27-28} he doesn't know how tormenting it is yet to be on the opposite side against JEHOVAH! Hebrew 10:27

Tcwork has been extremely sentimental in his approach so far as he’s not even ready to listen and obey Jesus’ own words on moral issues.
Luckily for us, Jesus said only those listening to him are on his side so there is no middle ground.
John 18:37 compare Matthew 12:30

As for the other one who is fuelling Tcwork’s ego, I just treat him like he’s nonexistent.