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Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by DappaD: 8:42am On Feb 28, 2021 |
The way to the holy place(heaven) was only made open after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ so that wasn’t possible. Hebrews 10:19-22 Enoch and Elijah are outstanding examples of men of strong faith. Hebrews 11:5; 35, 38 Yet Paul wrote at Hebrews 11:13 that ALL of them including the aforementioned died. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by Blackmoran(m): 8:46am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Exmilitant:is black man that create zeus or huduism, buddhism, christianity? there is symbiosis between culture and religion, every race have there culture which is related to there religion so you not wrong if you see religion as a culture.. but to say the black race are the originator of christianity I found that so ridiculous... |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:46am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Moses called Jesus Prophet and Apostle Peter confirmed it! Deuteronomy 18:15-18; Act 3:22 So Jesus was a God and Prophet just as Moses was both God and Prophet! Exodus 7:1 Nephilim: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by BassReeves: 8:51am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse:I dont want to chat with anyone that lies and falsely claims, that Elijah was taken up in chariot when he wasn't, so you goat your way. Besides a goat, cant be interested in chatting and going into the barbing salon, when a lion is the barber. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by chatinent: 8:56am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Seun, lalasticlala, Dominque |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:58am On Feb 28, 2021 |
It's well Sir may you have PEACE! BassReeves: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by johnw47: 9:01am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool know nothing false jw mad max Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. there was no sin in adam, he was a perfect man, spiritually alive, til he sinned and died spiritually false jw mad max: "for in the thousand years that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 1 Like |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by BassReeves: 9:04am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Isaiah 57:4 'Who are you mocking? At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue? Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?' All liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by donnie(m): 9:33am On Feb 28, 2021 |
The chariots of fire.
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Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by BassReeves: 9:50am On Feb 28, 2021 |
BassReeves: donnie:What is the meaning of that your posted spacecraft or spaceship picture that is used for travelling in space? Read 2 Kings 2:11 about how Elijah was carried by a tornado into the air. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:47am On Feb 28, 2021 |
There was no mention of SPIRITUAL DEATH Sir! johnw47: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48am On Feb 28, 2021 |
It is well with your soul Sir! BassReeves: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by Image123(m): 10:56am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Like i said, i repeat it is much ado about nothing by empty Bible gymnasts. Whether Enoch died or not, whether he went to Heaven or not, you are still the same hypocrite, liar, jealous, proud, sad and angry Jwickedness looking for the next opportunity to share awake and remind us how your denomination is the only follower of God. It has no influence on your life what the truth is, only what the sad hall elders say. Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. He was translated that he should not see death. You're free to argue the incompetence of Who translated him not to see death. How can JW be wrong? The Bible is. It's your sad life to live not mine. Look for how your life can be truly Christian. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by donnie(m): 10:59am On Feb 28, 2021 |
BassReeves: Chariot means vehicle. The whirlwind could have been the effect of such movement. This is what our old black Isrealite ancestors alluded to when they sang, Swing low, swing Chariot, coming to carry me home. 2 Kings 2:11 [11]And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. UFOs are not made by humans. Humans don't have the technoligcal capabilities to make such machines that travel between dimensions at unimaginable speed. They can choose to appear and disappear. Humans are still discovering and studying this phenomenon. Those are the chariots of fire, vehicles used by angels in heaven. Those are the wheels mentioned in the book of Ezekiel. Sometimes it's refered to as a cloud. Eg. MESSIAH went up, and into a cloud as his disciples looked on. Ezekiel 1:16,18-19 [16]The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. [18]As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. [19]And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. See an example of a wheel within a wheel, with rings full of eyes. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:01am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Thanks you're welcome, NEXT? Image123: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by BassReeves: 11:01am On Feb 28, 2021 |
johnw47: MaxInDHouse:Sin causes separation from God. When sin causes a separation from God, then that person is spiritually dead. God being a Spirit, requires that one connects to Him spiritually, but when one's spiritual antennae is broken, then one would not anymore be able to carry, receive, transmit messages and signals from God and vice versa. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:02am On Feb 28, 2021 |
It's OK Muttleylaff! BassReeves: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by johnw47: 11:06am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool blinded know nothing false jw mad max 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:14am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Just quote the phrase "Spiritual Death" in God's word and it's done! johnw47: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by Jashub: 11:18am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Image123:Nice reply |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by xtivin(m): 11:27am On Feb 28, 2021 |
tobechi74:Christ said John The Baptist was the Elijah they where waiting for |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by BassReeves: 11:28am On Feb 28, 2021 |
donnie:Chariot, in that biblical setting, is a two-wheeled vehicle drawn by horses, and often used in ancient racing and warfare and not anything like that your spaceship you are twisting it to appear as donnie:You are trying very hard to twist things to suit your preconceived and crooked ideas donnie:The Messiah, Jesus, in a glorified body, went up in the air without the need of any apparatus donnie:1. Do angels have bodies? 2. Are the angelic host of heavens incorporeal or not incorporeal? Or are angels spirits or physical? 3. Do you understand that Ezekiel 1:16,18-19 is part of the Ezekiel Chapter 1 - Chapter 48 visions of God that prophet Ezekiel had and that it is actually using imagery to depict God's omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence? |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by BassReeves: 11:31am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Your lies carry weight and occupy space BassReeves: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by johnw47: 11:33am On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool false jw mad max it's already done very dum one, you just don't know it Rev 3:1 To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. the church of sardis were not physically dead, know nothing false jw, they were spiritually dead about you lying false jw mad max: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:54am On Feb 28, 2021 |
OK Sir! BassReeves: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:57am On Feb 28, 2021 |
Is there any verse where the phrase "SPIRITUAL DEATH" is found in the Bible or not? johnw47: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by johnw47: 12:12pm On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: poor confused and blinded know nothing false jw mad max 1Co_14:33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 2Co_4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool Rev 3:1 To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. the church of sardis were not physically dead, know nothing false jw, they were spiritually dead just like adam didn't physically die the day he sinned, he spiritually died, oh know nothing son of your father the devil |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by johnw47: 12:20pm On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: another know nothing ministerial servant in false jw sect satan would be pleased Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 1 Like |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:23pm On Feb 28, 2021 |
So you can see that what you're fabricating can't be found in God's word. Adam was alive but he never lived up to 1,000 years which is the equivalent of a day before God {2Peter 3:8} he died before the next day at the age 930 years! Genesis 5:5 Take it or leave it the phrase SPIRITUAL DEATH is not written anywhere in the Bible! johnw47: |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by johnw47: 12:31pm On Feb 28, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: know nothing false jw mad max repeating your lies and confusion over and over again won't make them true nothing fabricated oh cannot stop lying false jw, my posts and supporting verses are very clear but not to the blinded: 2Co_4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. mad max, your posts are so dum dum, you should read them 1 Like |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by donnie(m): 12:33pm On Feb 28, 2021 |
BassReeves: I'm talking about the Paleo-Hebrew word translated as vehicle, not the movies Hollywood used to deceive you. I don't need to twist anything. There are already too many twisted lies in your Christianity. You're already in love with fairy tales so you prefer to believe things that are abstract and unreal. BassReeves: The true MESSIAH (a black man) lived here on earth before he was glorified. Even the Most High (described as a black man with wooly hair) has his WHEELS with Him. When MESSIAH returns, he is coming with his chairiots. Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, YAHUAH will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Psalms 68:17 The chariots of YAH are tens of thousands, even thousands of angels: YAHUAH is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. Oops... I thought MESSIAH was glorified? Is he now crippled that he will be needing chariots? BassReeves: Go and humbly read the Bible again, this time without the influence of whiteman's witchcraft, then you will begin to see. Do this before you think of questioning me. |
Re: Did Enoch and Elijah Really Go To Heaven Without Dying? by paltielx: 12:53pm On Feb 28, 2021 |
Jesus Christ who lived with his father for centuries in heaven say at John 3:13 that no man has ascended into heaven. That tell us clearly that the likes of Elijah did not ascend to Gods dwelling place |
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